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[Discussion] [Call for Devs] - Trying to make the Project Treble easier for everybody

As many might know, thanks to Project Treble the work needed to port ROMs has been greatly reduced.
Right now everything is still a bit messy around treble, with people searching in every possible forum (even on ones for other devices) for an image, discussing things not in relation with the topic's original device and just making thing cluttered and hard to find.
We also can see that the great thread put forward by phhusson begins to get the same treatment with people from many devices in the same thread asking device-specific questions (and even questions about devices without Treble-support) when phhusson's initial idea seems to have been to build a base image which could be used / modified for each device. Essentially giving a golden base which only needs small, device-specific, modifications.
Coming back to the title. I want to propose device-specific Treble - Threads. Permitting to let GSI (Generic System Image) threads clutter-free and development oriented, while these type of threads can be used to discuss problems related to specific devices. From what can be seen right now (through the eyes of a non-dev) most of the time only small modifications are needed, which could be managed with a custom kernel or a custom zip containing all fixes.
Hoping to find a way, together, to get Treble even better for us and making work easier for developers.
Feel free to discuss

I agree. Device-specific forums would help with reporting bugs, and finding GSIs for certain devices.

Agreed!

I totally agree, people should acknowledge this and start making a move

Treble development, imho, doesn't need to be branched out for all the specific devices. That's just not it's forte, it's mandate is to be generic, not specific.

Considering some issues may be affecting multiple devices, how about having a distinct support thread, separate from the main development thread, for every GSI?
I feel a threads for every device may be unmanageable, and actually counterproductive once such threads grow.

I've started a Treble Megathread for the Huawei P10 but it's not gaining much traction.
Treble is all well and good but if nobody is actually using it (Phh's RR v3 has only had ~1800 total downloads) then there's going to be very slow progress!

Making treble-enabled devices should just go in the respective device's development subforum that (probably) already exists....
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Silently said:
I've started a Treble Megathread for the Huawei P10 but it's not gaining much traction.
Treble is all well and good but if nobody is actually using it (Phh's RR v3 has only had ~1800 total downloads) then there's going to be very slow progress!
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It's still early days yet. It will gain traction for sure.

I'm a rookie... Inwant to compile a custom rom from source and make it a treble rom that everyone can use. Can anyone suggest me tutorials or stuff like that. I've never compiled before. Any help would be appreciated.

Rifat Rezwan said:
I'm a rookie... Inwant to compile a custom rom from source and make it a treble rom that everyone can use. Can anyone suggest me tutorials or stuff like that. I've never compiled before. Any help would be appreciated.
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If you cant search a bit in the xda forum or search in the internet... Then I think you wont be able to compile your own rom and fix all the bugs.

CosmicDan said:
Making treble-enabled devices should just go in the respective device's development subforum that (probably) already exists....
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It's still early days yet. It will gain traction for sure.
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the problem is not that nobody used it, the problem is that we do not know how to install As well as I have had failures when trying

albertovazquez said:
the problem is not that nobody used it, the problem is that we do not know how to install As well as I have had failures when trying
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So those people that have used it should write a guide on that devices' subforum. There's no need to clutter up the Treble subforum with device-specific things.

albertovazquez said:
the problem is not that nobody used it, the problem is that we do not know how to install As well as I have had failures when trying
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It's easy:
Factory reset
Boot fastboot mode
In adb type
fastboot flash system *systemimgname*.img
The.n type fastboot reboot and wait

matze19999 said:
If you cant search a bit in the xda forum or search in the internet... Then I think you wont be able to compile your own rom and fix all the bugs.
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Your tip was so helpful! thank a lot!

It's hard work to make a good rom. It takes much time and you have to know much about Linux / how a kernel works / what libraries do and such things. It isn't something you learn in some days.

Agree! But there is bugs that still didnt fixed by phhusson in aosp. Such as lag when opening app from recents tab (Huawei). Btw its fixed by in Pixel Experience and in Havoc OS but not in the original one ( base rom ) . Treble need some work to be perfect. Remember to old Cyanyogen mod? That one is epic!

matze19999 said:
It's hard work to make a good rom. It takes much time and you have to know much about Linux / how a kernel works / what libraries do and such things. It isn't something you learn in some days.
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Its not hard. Nobody is willing to show the way. Thats the thing. Nothing is hard.

Rifat Rezwan said:
Its not hard. Nobody is willing to show the way. Thats the thing. Nothing is hard.
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nothing is hard? wtf are you talking about..

matze19999 said:
nothing is hard? wtf are you talking about..
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We have a clown over here.

Rifat Rezwan said:
We have a clown over here.
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Please stop writing such bull****.
When you really think building a rom from source, show what you can. You think it's really sooo easy to fix all the bugs? To get the hardware working?
Developers here on xda need weeks to release a stable build of a rom and you call it easy?
I think you're the clown bro.

[Idea] bring Treble to OOS via Magisk?

Would it be possible to redirect the vendor folder to the empty partition (after being made into a vendor partition)? That way the OOS could load the new location instead. My only concern if it's possible, would it break safetynet. I'd try to program it but lack of knowledge and time to gain the knowledge is limiting me right now

If someone does, what we gonna do with that?

cant be done

even if it done it'll not make any difference as it's not officially provided... we just need to wait until android P comes to see if the unofficial one makes any difference or not...

evilbait said:
If someone does, what we gonna do with that?
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Update security patches immediately instead of wait for OP or update to beta.
more_than_hater said:
cant be done
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Evidence of this or just trying to get that post count up?

Denkai said:
Evidence of this or just trying to get that post count up?
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I'd like to suggest you to read this faq
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/README.MD
And so you will find not only the answer to "why it cant be done", but so on many other obvious things.

who cares? Project treble is not needed in general. OEMs just need to give out source information not implement something to hide more secrets.

Future one plus devices would benefit from treble, the 5/5T already have a vast amount of ROMs available.

[REQUEST] custom ROMs

Since we now have a working "TWRP", it would be great to have a real Custom ROM. Not to degrade xXx and the other Magisk "ROMs" (using xXx now), but TWRP flash-able ROMs would be great.

Wrong section but correct

gaww said:
Since we now have a working "TWRP", it would be great to have a real Custom ROM. Not to degrade xXx and the other Magisk "ROMs" (using xXx now), but TWRP flash-able ROMs would be great.
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Where is working TWRP? I'm not seeing anything in searches.

This is news to me, unless u meant a Chinese version...

galaxys said:
This is news to me, unless u meant a Chinese version...
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Exactly , but don't think XDA will let me show it here.

You are risking lots with the Chinese version. Not being able to see source , you could be dealing with malware etc

c_86 said:
You are risking lots with the Chinese version. Not being able to see source , you could be dealing with malware etc
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I scanned the package with viruse and malware software.

Are there any limitations or dangers with that version we should know about? I'd risk it just for the ability to make a solid backup right now.
Can anyone point me in the right direction without breaking XDA policy??

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You are risking lots with the Chinese version. Not being able to see source , you could be dealing with malware etc
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people keep repeating this, and they don't know what they're talking about. I've been using it for two weeks, it's completely safe, and it works perfectly.
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Are there any limitations or dangers with that version we should know about? I'd risk it just for the ability to make a solid backup right now.
Can anyone point me in the right direction without breaking XDA policy??
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Pm me.

If itnwas safe then why haven't the main devs pick it up
Oh cuz they can't see source. You have no idea what could be loaded in there. Whether it works or not. The point is there COULD be malware or spyware or whatever loaded and you would have no idea

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If itnwas safe then why haven't the main devs pick it up
Oh cuz they can't see source. You have no idea what could be loaded in there. Whether it works or not. The point is there COULD be malware or spyware or whatever loaded and you would have no idea
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Let me ask you a question. How do you know that normal open-source TWRP doesn't have malware in it?
The reason why 'main devs' as you call them won't accept it, is because of licensing and money. And also embarrassment because they can't figure out how to get a version booting.
The wonderful thing is we can all do what we wish to do. you can use ADB and make your life infinitely harder, and I'll keep using TWRP and accomplish things in a fraction of the time.

Burt Squirtz said:
Let me ask you a question. How do you know that normal open-source TWRP doesn't have malware in it?
The reason why 'main devs' as you call them won't accept it, is because of licensing and money. And also embarrassment because they can't figure out how to get a version booting.
The wonderful thing is we can all do what we wish to do. you can use ADB and make your life infinitely harder, and I'll keep using TWRP and accomplish things in a fraction of the time.
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Not disagreeing at all. You do you and I'll do me. And i prefer not to risk it. All the same to me.

gaww said:
Since we now have a working "TWRP", it would be great to have a real Custom ROM. Not to degrade xXx and the other Magisk "ROMs" (using xXx now), but TWRP flash-able ROMs would be great.
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Where see a working twrp, here we go again with the Chinese twrp
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just to let you know as most of us devs live here on xda and our friends are devs and are working our asses off to get things going like our main twrp dev who has always provided us with twrp since op6 and is working on it now for 3 different devices which now is super hard being our current partitions and such . ... . Fair warning if most of you realized what sacrifices we do so you can have fun with your devices the time and countless hours ( not minutes ) we spend you should think about that and if it wasn't for us you all wouldn't have nothing enough said .

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Not disagreeing at all. You do you and I'll do me. And i prefer not to risk it. All the same to me.
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Same here. Sure i have it at my laptop as a fail safe but havent even tried it yet cause i have no need to do so..

c_86 said:
You are risking lots with the Chinese version. Not being able to see source , you could be dealing with malware etc
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Btw. You are using a chinese phone
Ps: i'll wait for official version
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musicman5844 said:
Where see a working twrp, here we go again with the Chinese twrp
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just to let you know as most of us devs live here on xda and our friends are devs and are working our asses off to get things going like our main twrp dev who has always provided us with twrp since op6 and is working on it now for 3 different devices which now is super hard being our current partitions and such . ... . Fair warning if most of you realized what sacrifices we do so you can have fun with your devices the time and countless hours ( not minutes ) we spend you should think about that and if it wasn't for us you all wouldn't have nothing enough said .
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There you go again. You're not a developer ... And why do you care if somebody uses something that's making their life easier?
In case you can't tell the 7t pro still doesn't have a working TWRP. 8 whole months later. There's a working TWRP for OnePlus 8 pro right now. why do you care if someone is using it? How is using a Chinese TWRP going to hurt development? It's not. I'm going to share it with each and every person that asks for i. Because we deserve to use something beyond crappy ADB.

Chinese recovery works just fine. I was running custom TWRP recovery by this Chinese locked LR. Team two years ago on my Xiaomi Mi Pad, and nothing wrong happened. You all could wait year or more for official relase as development is going very slow, or enjoy it now.

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There you go again. You're not a developer or a mod. And why do you care if somebody uses something that's making their life easier?
In case you can't tell the 7t pro still doesn't have a working TWRP. 8 whole months later. There's a working TWRP for OnePlus 8 pro right now. why do you care if someone is using it? How is using a Chinese TWRP going to hurt development? It's not. I'm going to share it with each and every person that asks for i. Because we deserve to use something beyond crappy ADB.
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Seems that you dont know anything that you are talking about. How come ADB is crappy? Its quite essential in android development..

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Burt Squirtz said:
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people keep repeating this, and they don't know what they're talking about. I've been using it for two weeks, it's completely safe, and it works perfectly.
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Pm me.
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I think that you dont know what you are talking about. Those scanners that you use dont detect back ports etc..

Any possible way to install TWRP on OOS 11 (OP8P)?

Title says it all, I was trying to install TWRP on OOS 11 but it bricked my device , I tried the same way on OOS 10 and it worked perfectly , any idea if it's possible to install TWRP while having OOS 11 (for OP8P)?

TWRP is not available for A11.

No it isn't, check their thread for updates.
You have another thread in Q+A, please get this one closed.

Is there any way to flash OOS 11 ROM from TWRP? I don't know if the ROM would still fail using this method. Anyone want to chime in?

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Is there any way to flash OOS 11 ROM from TWRP? I don't know if the ROM would still fail using this method. Anyone want to chime in?
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There's a thread dedicated to TWRP, all your answers are there.
In short the answer is - not yet.

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Advertising recovery distributions that come without source code should not be done on XDA. As these "off the grid" TWRP iterations are closed, we cannot verify if they can be trusted. We strongly advise to stick with proper distributions on our platform in the interest of your own safety/privacy. Doing research before buying a device can prevent a lot of frustration.
And there's no need to attack each other over something like this. I'm sure we all have more pressing matters to worry about right now. Which in hindsight may also be a catalyst for reacting a bit harsher than usual. Understandable. But let's try to get along anyway ^_^
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Good day everyone!
Advertising recovery distributions that come without source code should not be done on XDA. As these "off the grid" TWRP iterations are closed, we cannot verify if they can be trusted. We strongly advise to stick with proper distributions on our platform in the interest of your own safety/privacy. Doing research before buying a device can prevent a lot of frustration.
And there's no need to attack each other over something like this. I'm sure we all have more pressing matters to worry about right now. Which in hindsight may also be a catalyst for reacting a bit harsher than usual. Understandable. But let's try to get along anyway ^_^
Stay safe!
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Censorship here now? Wow

Navyvet63 said:
Censorship here now? Wow
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Always has been here. Nothing new. Post's get deleted all the time for language, slander, off topic, sharing software that is closed source and warez. Not sure why you are surprised.

Navyvet63 said:
Censorship here now? Wow
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No. GPLv3 compliance. We love not being sued

Navyvet63 said:
Censorship here now? Wow
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Really???
FYI, if it's "developed" by someone on XDA developers, then it's fine (for the most part)
But if it's software that is not developed and freely shared here, like warez eg: apks for apps you haven't paid for or can only be obtained from a said location.
Or like in this case a developers work who is not from XDA and we do not have permission to share then no, you can't share it here or indeed anywhere legally unless you have permission to.
In regards to the TWRP in question I believe they've been approached to collaborate and have plainly said no, so it can't be shared here..
XDA have a responsibility to adhere to these decisions..
I get it's frustrating and we all know what goes on behind the curtain, no one here's thick, but just play the game.
More to the point, I thought the guys were making headway on our TWRP anyway..
Couple that with the fact that you can do pretty much anything without TWRP and it's a non starter really arguing about it anyway

Where is the update thread after new XDA BS?

I cannot find the thread that used to teach you how to update the One Plus 8 pro if you're rooted with Magisk. I could come, and click the guides or whatever and it was a sticky thread. Now I get some idiot boxes, search doesn't find it, and this is totally stupid. This site really sucks now. Can someone link me please? And is there a better place to go for android stuff that's organized the way XDA used to be?

Specificity required?
I am using Magisk. I want to update with OTA. You have to do some crap and then install to active and inactive or something and reboot. Can someone point me to the thread since I cannot search for it, it is not stickied and the entire site is about as "improved" as my credit card was "improved" by going from the old magnetic strips to this stupid RFID, which is more insecure, takes 10 times as long, and is somehow not a bug but a feature?

Searching the internet finds me nothing but some crappy posts that don't look like the one I saw on XDA telling me to do crap that doesn't make sense. Anyone know where the old thread is?

reilus said:
Searching the internet finds me nothing but some crappy posts that don't look like the one I saw on XDA telling me to do crap that doesn't make sense. Anyone know where the old thread is?
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My threads on the first list.
Quite simple to find.
(ROOT) Android 11 / Latest stock and patched img's / payload dumper / magisk_patched guides
Hi all, Have seen a lot of requests for patched boot images on these threads so thought i'd share a guide on how to get it yourself as well as all the files required, plus the patched boot.img if you just want to go ahead and boot/flash it...
forum.xda-developers.com

dladz said:
My threads on the first list.
Quite simple to find.
(ROOT) Android 11 / Latest stock and patched img's / payload dumper / magisk_patched guides
Hi all, Have seen a lot of requests for patched boot images on these threads so thought i'd share a guide on how to get it yourself as well as all the files required, plus the patched boot.img if you just want to go ahead and boot/flash it...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Thank you! I searched "OTA Update", etc. It was under a different thread or something but thank you! You're a life saver!

Disable Magisk mods! LOL that was the step I forgot! You're the best! Thank you! =)

reilus said:
Disable Magisk mods! LOL that was the step I forgot! You're the best! Thank you! =)
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You're very welcome buddy. Glad to help.