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I appreciate the kind of innovation Samsung instilled into their latest flagship, Note 2. However, does it stand up to the Oppo Find 5.
Samsung's Note 2 is a phablet whereas Oppo Find 5 is a mobile phone-proper, lol. However, the specifications of the Oppo Find 5 seem to stand out against the Note 2 in benchmarks despite the fact that the 441ppi phone lacks a microSD slot. What do you think?
winlinmac001 said:
I appreciate the kind of innovation Samsung instilled into their latest flagship, Note 2. However, does it stand up to the Oppo Find 5.
Samsung's Note 2 is a phablet whereas Oppo Find 5 is a mobile phone-proper, lol. However, the specifications of the Oppo Find 5 seem to stand out against the Note 2 in benchmarks despite the fact that the 441ppi phone lacks a microSD slot. What do you think?
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I doubt it will be released in Germany (Never heard of Oppo), but beside that it looks quite nice.
But compare the Specs, the battery is less powerful and no SDCard slot, the sdcard slot would be 1 big point for me to not buy it, as i cant live without an SDCard.
Of course the Full HD Screen is a nice Extra, but on the Note2 the Normal HD Resolution looks alright as well. I mean the SuperAMOLED quality is just amazing..
Seems like it has the Same ammount of Memory (2gb) and a Camera with more MP (13MP), but as you know the MP Count doesnt make a camera good, the lower price would be a plus point for the Oppo one.
I dont know how powerful the Qualcomm CPU is so i cant compare it with the Samsung Exynos CPU in the Note2
Oppo 5 got better hardware but when u want to get sofware updates...:what:
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I think all we win is software support and battery life :banghead:
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Its more about the user experience, Samsung in essence took this fro Apple and emulated it. if we look at the HOX compared to the S3 the HOX failed IMO on the software front offering a buggy experience from release. Both the Note 2 and S3 offer a great user experience out of the box. Samsung have taken android and improved the user experience to a level that has surpassed both vanilla android and IOS.
Yes the Oppo looks the part and has the specs but without the magic Samsung have woven into Their recent phones it won´t in my mind make me or anyone using a Note 2 who has experienced other android phones to change.
Thats the first time ive heard of 'Oppo'. Looking at the design of the phone, I reckon they could be a contender in a couple of years time.
DeadSix17 said:
Never heard of Oppo
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These threads always start when some company who aspires to be the next Samsung reveals pretty pictures and impressive specs of their latest device. If HTC, Motorola, LG, Panasonic, and Sony are struggling against Samsung and Apple in the high-end device market what are the chances Oppo, Huawei, ZTE, and Xiaomi are going to succeed? All the high-end devices third-tier manufacturers have launched have been months late (or disappeared after they were announced) and grossly under-performed similarly spec'd devices from brands we know. You're not just buying a device; you're buying service, support, and a company's commitment to their products and customers. That's far from assured with any of the third-tier companies. There's an old adage - "if something sounds too good to be true it probably is."
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Its more about the user experience, Samsung in essence took this fro Apple and emulated it. if we look at the HOX compared to the S3 the HOX failed IMO on the software front offering a buggy experience from release. Both the Note 2 and S3 offer a great user experience out of the box. Samsung have taken android and improved the user experience to a level that has surpassed both vanilla android and IOS.
Yes the Oppo looks the part and has the specs but without the magic Samsung have woven into Their recent phones it won´t in my mind make me or anyone using a Note 2 who has experienced other android phones to change.
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+1
sent from my Note 2.
Tomo1971 said:
Thats the first time ive heard of 'Oppo'. Looking at the design of the phone, I reckon they could be a contender in a couple of years time.
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My brother has an Oppo blu-ray player, and it's absolutely brilliant. If it's the same company doing mobiles, they will be contenders - no doubt.
The Oppo Find 5 looks more like a competitor for the HTC Butterfly (Droid DNA) than a phablet like the Note II. The Huawei 6.1" phablet is more of a competitor for the Note II.
I want to thank you for making this post.
I had never heard of oppo find 5, and I will now be returning my note 2 since I just recently got it and am within the 30 days.
Note 2 obviously. Its unnecessary to have 1080p display, note 2 720p is already great. Find 5 lacks removable battery and external memory and probably will lack dev support for custom rom and the like too. But it nice to have a higher dpi for screen
Though I really like the design of find 5, I find samsung design for note 2 and s3 overly rounded at corners. I prefer abit more edgy like xperia and find 5.
Either way, note 2 still has great specs. Battery is better.
Overall I still prefer note 2 over find 5, not because I own one but it is more practical and well rounded support by samsung and devs, that would last me for next 2 yrs or so until I get another phone
Sounds like a ****ty Chinese phone that none of us will ever see or hear about again.
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Sounds like a ****ty Chinese phone that none of us will ever see or hear about again.
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I can't believe people are taking it seriously. Does anyone have any idea how much money it takes to set up a global sales, marketing, distribution, and service and support network? And, being a Chinese company, what knowledge does Oppo have about device usage in Western markets? If you think Samsung, HTC, and Motorola are bad at updates how do you think Oppo will be? Someone mentioned they make great A/V equipment. Devices like Blu-Ray players and receivers are like 1/10 the complexity of a multi-radio wireless device. Viking makes great kitchen appliances; it doesn't mean that if they launch a phone that will be great too. What if the Oppo Find flops in international markets and they pull out? Who's going to service and support their device(s)? And what about dev support? Go look at the LG Optimus G dev forum. Tumbleweed. Devs develop for what's popular and without any carrier support I can't imagine there's going to be a huge audience for Oppo's phones. They could be in it for the long-haul, invest huge sums of money in infrastructure, and be hugely successful. Or they could be a one-hit wonder with a "pretty" but mediocre product. You guys can go first.
P.S. - The same thing applies to Huawei, ZTE, and Xiaomi.
And this is a September article from an A/V publication. If it takes two years to launch core A/V products what's their timetable for mobile devices?
After two years, Oppo has announced two new Blu-ray players, the BDP-103 and BDP-105, which feature HDMI inputs as well as outputs and upscaling to 4K resolution. Rewind the clock back five years and Oppo was the "go-to" brand for DVD players, with the Oppo DV-981HD one of the best models available at the time. Then Blu-ray happened, and Oppo saw little initial competition for its first Blu-ray player. But since 2009, the Blu-ray player market has shrunk: titans like Sony and Panasonic no longer make premium players and instead opt for cookie-cutter "wedges" with plastic build quality, yet good performance and cheap prices. Oppo has stuck to its design and philosophical guns, and has now released its third set of players, the BDP-103 and BDP-105.
Support & updates has been very good within Thailand for the finder.
I expect find 5 will do quite well here too as oppo has got reasonable marketing effort here & even the independent phone shops are retailing it strongly.
Finder is 460USD here which is a nice price for what you get plus does not die after 160days like the SGS3 ...
Will take lot of money & effort get the brand retailing well globally & the addition of Micro SD slot & a headset with a 3.5mm female jack would go a long way to increasing tempted buyers.
What do you guys think? Software, hardware, android updates, rooting, features and why do you think one is better than the other? Cheers
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Lots of discussion here about that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/nexus-6p-vs-note-5-t3212443
I like the size of the note better (I couldn't care less about front speakers). The note barely fits in the place I put my phone in my car, I don't think the 6P would.
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Thats from a nexus forum perspective. I wanna hear from the note side of things.
I'm trying to convince myself to get the 6P but can't find a good enough reason to make the switch just yet.
Development community and updates don't mean as much to me anymore as they used to. I no longer flash roms or have the desire to (but I will root). Updates don't matter as much to me either because I always get the latest phones anyways and don't last long enough with phones to worry about updates.
With that said if the 6P was the size of the G4 and definitely not bigger than the Note 5 and had a IR blaster, I've might have been all over it.
Other things I'll be looking for is the 6p screen actually the same quality as the Note 5 screen? How about outdoor visibility, is it as amazing as the Note 5 is?
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Hey buddy, nice to see you here. I'm keeping my Note 5. The Note 5 is the absolute perfect size for a 5.7" screen device. 6P is too big to me and I don't care about front facing speakers.
But my main reason is I hate stock android. Looks like crap and is boring. I know roms and themes can help that but I'm completely over rooting. It just doesn't add the benefits that it used to and I'm tired of doing it.
So with all that being said, I feel that I have the better device. And I like using the S-Pen.
Right now there are no benefits to get that phone. The strongest argument nexus people make is that they have great developing community, however it takes around 3 months for developers to get their units and to add features. By that time sd820 will be out. On top of that, nexus developers won't be able to bring any cooler features that the note 5 already has. I love the scroll to capture feature on the note 5 for example. Stock android is pretty boring as well, and like previous dude said, I am bored of flashing and running custom roms every week, new bugs and stuff like that. As far as it regards the hardware, I believe the note 5 kills the new nexus.
Same here. Man tapatalk quotes have not been working today. I love my Note 5 and i keep trying to get an excuse to try the 6p but i would be giving up too much by getting rid of my lovely note.
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@WizeGuyDezignz Hey man! (WizeGuyDezignz)Glad to see you again! Yeah man stock android is quite boring. Even if i were to get the 6p i wouldnt keep it a month if that. The S pen is really fantastic. Once you start using the features of the note its hard to get something else.
Its for you WizeGuyDezignz, even mentions are not working for me besides the quotes for some odd reason.
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By the way, I forgot the mention the camera interface. Google camera might be good but that camera interface is so outdated. Yes I can always install a third party application, but man the whole camera experience on the Samsung is a total different Galaxy!
Even though I have the option to return the N5 once there 6p is out, I think I might keep the N5. Haven't owned a nexus device before, just ended up flashing an AOSP based ROM on the Samsung device I owned.
Just might wait it out until someone releases one for the N5.
Only thing nexus is better its updates and roms support
If you want stock, front facing speakers, and ROMs get 6p.
if you like a faster cpu/gpu, a pen, Samsung Pay, better camera (in most ways), and TouchWiz enhancements get note 5.
I also like the size of the note 5 more. 6p is too tall for me.
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This is why I got my Note 5 over a Nexus 6P
**Hardware**
The Note 5 will undoubtedly have superior hardware.
The 14nm Exynos 7420 is miles ahead of the SD810 both in terms of speed and efficiency. Early benchmarks of the SD820 which is also 14nm are actually comparable to the 7420 which is a huge kudos to Samsung for having this chip out there 12 months before Qualcomm in the chipmaking world which runs on 6/12mth cycles. The SD810 in the 6P (even v 2.1) is going to get hot and then throttled as the system underclocks it to compensate. Its just a matter of when, which depends on Huawei's cooling. The SD808 even shares the same problem to a lesser extent.
TLDR: Exynos 7420 chip is miles ahead of the SD810 and has a degree of future proofing.
-NAND storage UFS 2.0 in the Note 5 vs. eMMC in the 6P. Yes its proprietary, but UFS gives much higher read/write speeds.
-4GB RAM vs 3GB. More is better. The aggressive app closing that people have complained about in Galaxy's can be fixed to maximise the use of this for multi tasking.
-Best in class camera – the 6P sounds like it's going to have the best camera ever in a Nexus, but it's still below the S6 edge according to DxoMark, which is going to be below again the yet to be reviewed Note 5. OIS with manual settings is something else altogether if you know what you're doing. Eg http://i.imgur.com/LLp4WQS.jpg – I took this beauty with a super slow shutter speed whilst resting the phone on someone's head lol.
-Best in class screen – there is no way the 6P is going to get the Note 5's screen which has been rated best in class by displaymate and anandtech. Best case scenario is maybe the Note 4's screen which is better than the Nexus 6, but still 40% less efficient compared to the current gen Note 5 (http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note5_ShootOut_1.htm)
Build – I'm not a huge fan of the slippery glass back on the Note, but kudos for the screen to body ratio and tapered edges to help with one handed use, while maintaining the same screen size as the note 4. I use cases for all my phones, so in a way build materials don't really matter. The aluminum build on the 6P also looks nice, but the bezels top and bottom bezels are huge (for the front facing speakers?) and is reflected in the relatively poor screen to body ratio (71.4% vs. 75.9%)
True compared to the Note 4, the omission of the mSD card, IR blaster and replaceable battery are disappointing. There are ways around lack of mSD (see below) and sadly it's a trend that a lot of other smartphone makers are adopting as well. The battery although smaller actually provides more juice compared to the Note 4 thanks to processor and screen improvements in efficiency. If you decided to keep the device for 3+ years, the sealed battery is actually replaceable – not super easy to do, but there are guides online. It's not as if the Nexus 6P has any of these features either.
The Note 5 also has wireless fast charging for a sacrifice of 0.3mm of thickness, which was the main reason Nexus 6P engineers have given for its omission.
**Software**
I'm the first to admit that I'm a huge pure android and nexus nut, but Marshmallow may be the first new version of android that I really can't get excited about. The touted features in Marshmallow are not ground breaking and represent disappointing incremental features which already exist in Lollipop with xposed and even 3rd party apps. True it's giving people who don't root their phones access to them for the first time, but for the power user there really isn't much there. See: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmallow-thoroughly-reviewed/
TLDR:
Doze – can still be bypassed by developers of apps. Only affects standby time so will make no difference to the biggest drain which is screen, app usage and cellular reception quality. Can do similar already with greenify, amplified and other similar apps.
On tap – very hit and miss. More miss than hit
Permissions – nice and about time I guess, but already doable with 3rd party apps (AppOps) / a firewall
Google launcher changes – had these for months already with nova launcher
In context voice commands – nice if you use voice commands often. I don't know many people who do.
Xposed won't work for a while and there will undoubtedly be new bugs as always until 6.1.
All up, the maturity of android is making the latest and greatest pure android updates less mandatory.
My last experience with Touchwiz back with the Note 2 were pretty negative. However, with a dark material theme from the theme store, nova launcher and xposed, the gaudy bits of touchwiz are no longer as bad as they once were. Samsung have really pulled it back and you can do the rest with a simple debloating app or a modded stock ROM. With the [dark material theme](http://www.xda-developers.com/material-and-material-dark-hit-samsungs-theme-store/), it really isn't too disimilar to stock android.
I'm not a huge stylus person, but some of the TW features like signing PDFs and better hand writing recognition seem genuinely useful. Multi window which was touted in the developer preview of Marshmallow but disabled at launch has been around in TouchWiz for years.
The cons of the Note 5 would be that updates are 4-6 months late and there will be no AOSP custom ROM support given it runs on exynos. This means updates for only 2 years at most. However, the maturity of android as an OS has meant that there are less "essential" features to upgrade to or problems for custom ROMs to fix. Xposed framework is a miracle in allowing a degree customisation that only customs ROMs used to be able to offer.
Samsung is also committed to monthly security updates for android, which is huge as you're no longer reliant on a nexus for this. http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...urity-updates-every-month-its-android-devices
**Price**
Local RRP for the 6P is $899 which call it what you want (gouging, Australia tax, market factors) is a huge increase in the $499 US that US customers pay.
Unfortunately I think it will be harder to source cheap grey Nexus 6P stock this time around, as all countries except for North America (with the US Bands version) got done over by the [international pricing model](http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/30/prices-nexus-5x-nexus-6p-across-globe/). Hong Kong/Asia where a lot of grey stuff comes from is not significantly cheaper than Australia (+27% vs +21%) and that's without a GST. You can probably get one for $840 delivered from Clove/Handtec at launch, but at these similar prices I'd personally pay an extra $50 for excellent 2 year playstore warranty. Historically, Nexus devices have had stock supply issues initially and thus haven't always had cheap grey stock prices for 3+ months after launch.
Either way, it's going to be more expensive than the Note 5 in the foreseeable future.
Samsung has pretty good price retention as well. Brand new Note 4s still retail for $650-$700. Resale value used is ~$500-550 on ebay compared to the Nexus 6 which is $400-450. When I got my [Nexus 6 in December](https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/174328), I remember it actually cost more than the Note 4 (paid $765 via Amazon France, Note 4 was ~$720 on a ebay sale).
TLDR
The Note 5 has undoubtedly miles better hardware and will be cheaper than the Nexus 6P at launch. The benefits of pure android and the latest android updates are no longer as important as they once were given the maturity of android as an OS as evidenced by only minor incremental updates in Marshmallow. Advancements in TouchWiz and xposed framework have made non pure android much more tolerable than it once was.
The only other major con I see with the Note 5 is the absence of a 64GB version in Australia, and if it does come it'll be ridiculously expensive (+$300 over the 32GB currently from grey imports and no stock as well). There are ways around this with cloud storage. I uploaded my 20GB music collection to Google music and can stream it free. I run a networked storage drive at home for media streaming. You can also get USB OTG dongles for your mSD card which work well when you want to carry extra media locally.
@PearsonDKA Why not return your $800 device and get a $500 device if you want to run aosp? Quote isn't working... That is for PearsonDKA.
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@PearsonDKA Why not return your $800 device and get a $500 device if you want to run aosp? Quote isn't working... That is for PearsonDKA.
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Honestly, I like having the options to go back and forth between TW and AOSP in case I get bored with one of em or something. I'm actually still on the fence about returning it as well, just gonna see how the N5 handles for the next week.
Here is the thing though, in my honest opinion the Note is just a better device overall and im not just talking about specs.
I understand that people love stock android cause you get the updates quickly and a nexus is a dream for people who love to root and all that. This is xda developers and the chances are that people here (all over xda) will mostly be in favor of the nexus because you can root, rom it, have aosp, flash kernels and all that good stuff and this is the site where it all goes down. Thats all beautiful and they are perfectly right.
But when it comes to having a phone that have features and that truly utilizes that big ass display, really nothing out there competes with the note 5. Its a productivity user's dream. It offers an excellent camera (arguably the best), its absolutely future proof with the 4GB of ram and the powerful SoC, it has arguably the best display on a smartphone, it has the S pen which no one can match on the market at the moment.
People who own the note should use these features, use multiwindow and screen capture and all that, you will see that you wont be able to use another device because you have a mini computer in your pocket that performs wonderfully and do things that other devices cant . As a smartphone, what can beat the note 5 when all is considered? Not a thing.
As a developer's phone, as someone who likes to root and tinker with their device to their liking, nothing can beat a nexus especially the 6p with its amazing specs. Honestly the choice is pretty clear: if you wanna root, rom, flash aosp and CM and all that, you MUST go with a nexus. If you want a phone full of features with the best camera on the market and is a productivity champ you have to go with the note. Forget things like battery life and performance and all that cause both devices are champs. I am using a non carrier note 5 which is expected to have android 6.0 by year's end or early next year, im not sweating it cause the phone works extremely well for me. If i get a nexus 6p now, its only because of the hype but i know what type of user i am and the note 5 works best for me. I skipped the nexus 6 this past year, used many devices and im still alive despite not having used a stock android phone
....just saying
One last thing lol, before the note 5 i had the Iphone 6s and i loved it. But then i wanted a bigger display and i was on the fence between the 6s plus and the note. When i returned my 6s at the apple store to grab the 6s plus, thats when i knew i had to get the note 5 cause i saw how much the 6s plus was just a big phone that does not take advantage of the big display, same with the 6p.
Check out this video guys, trust me its worth it.
https://youtu.be/EYRIX9YP3Lk
Ill keep it simple.
Note 5 has:
Multi Window
Pen
Brighter screen in daylight
Better camera
Wireless charging
Tiny bit better dimensions
More attractive/professional build quality
Samsung pay
Better cpu/gpu
More ram
Nexus has
Dual forward speakers
Type c port
Bigger battery
Rootable without voiding warranty
Instant updates
Note 5 wins.
liqn7 said:
This is why I got my Note 5 over a Nexus 6P
**Hardware**
The Note 5 will undoubtedly have superior hardware.
The 14nm Exynos 7420 is miles ahead of the SD810 both in terms of speed and efficiency. Early benchmarks of the SD820 which is also 14nm are actually comparable to the 7420 which is a huge kudos to Samsung for having this chip out there 12 months before Qualcomm in the chipmaking world which runs on 6/12mth cycles. The SD810 in the 6P (even v 2.1) is going to get hot and then throttled as the system underclocks it to compensate. Its just a matter of when, which depends on Huawei's cooling. The SD808 even shares the same problem to a lesser extent.
TLDR: Exynos 7420 chip is miles ahead of the SD810 and has a degree of future proofing.
-NAND storage UFS 2.0 in the Note 5 vs. eMMC in the 6P. Yes its proprietary, but UFS gives much higher read/write speeds.
-4GB RAM vs 3GB. More is better. The aggressive app closing that people have complained about in Galaxy's can be fixed to maximise the use of this for multi tasking.
-Best in class camera – the 6P sounds like it's going to have the best camera ever in a Nexus, but it's still below the S6 edge according to DxoMark, which is going to be below again the yet to be reviewed Note 5. OIS with manual settings is something else altogether if you know what you're doing. Eg http://i.imgur.com/LLp4WQS.jpg – I took this beauty with a super slow shutter speed whilst resting the phone on someone's head lol.
-Best in class screen – there is no way the 6P is going to get the Note 5's screen which has been rated best in class by displaymate and anandtech. Best case scenario is maybe the Note 4's screen which is better than the Nexus 6, but still 40% less efficient compared to the current gen Note 5 (http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note5_ShootOut_1.htm)
Build – I'm not a huge fan of the slippery glass back on the Note, but kudos for the screen to body ratio and tapered edges to help with one handed use, while maintaining the same screen size as the note 4. I use cases for all my phones, so in a way build materials don't really matter. The aluminum build on the 6P also looks nice, but the bezels top and bottom bezels are huge (for the front facing speakers?) and is reflected in the relatively poor screen to body ratio (71.4% vs. 75.9%)
True compared to the Note 4, the omission of the mSD card, IR blaster and replaceable battery are disappointing. There are ways around lack of mSD (see below) and sadly it's a trend that a lot of other smartphone makers are adopting as well. The battery although smaller actually provides more juice compared to the Note 4 thanks to processor and screen improvements in efficiency. If you decided to keep the device for 3+ years, the sealed battery is actually replaceable – not super easy to do, but there are guides online. It's not as if the Nexus 6P has any of these features either.
The Note 5 also has wireless fast charging for a sacrifice of 0.3mm of thickness, which was the main reason Nexus 6P engineers have given for its omission.
**Software**
I'm the first to admit that I'm a huge pure android and nexus nut, but Marshmallow may be the first new version of android that I really can't get excited about. The touted features in Marshmallow are not ground breaking and represent disappointing incremental features which already exist in Lollipop with xposed and even 3rd party apps. True it's giving people who don't root their phones access to them for the first time, but for the power user there really isn't much there. See: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmallow-thoroughly-reviewed/
TLDR:
Doze – can still be bypassed by developers of apps. Only affects standby time so will make no difference to the biggest drain which is screen, app usage and cellular reception quality. Can do similar already with greenify, amplified and other similar apps.
On tap – very hit and miss. More miss than hit
Permissions – nice and about time I guess, but already doable with 3rd party apps (AppOps) / a firewall
Google launcher changes – had these for months already with nova launcher
In context voice commands – nice if you use voice commands often. I don't know many people who do.
Xposed won't work for a while and there will undoubtedly be new bugs as always until 6.1.
All up, the maturity of android is making the latest and greatest pure android updates less mandatory.
My last experience with Touchwiz back with the Note 2 were pretty negative. However, with a dark material theme from the theme store, nova launcher and xposed, the gaudy bits of touchwiz are no longer as bad as they once were. Samsung have really pulled it back and you can do the rest with a simple debloating app or a modded stock ROM. With the [dark material theme](http://www.xda-developers.com/material-and-material-dark-hit-samsungs-theme-store/), it really isn't too disimilar to stock android.
I'm not a huge stylus person, but some of the TW features like signing PDFs and better hand writing recognition seem genuinely useful. Multi window which was touted in the developer preview of Marshmallow but disabled at launch has been around in TouchWiz for years.
The cons of the Note 5 would be that updates are 4-6 months late and there will be no AOSP custom ROM support given it runs on exynos. This means updates for only 2 years at most. However, the maturity of android as an OS has meant that there are less "essential" features to upgrade to or problems for custom ROMs to fix. Xposed framework is a miracle in allowing a degree customisation that only customs ROMs used to be able to offer.
Samsung is also committed to monthly security updates for android, which is huge as you're no longer reliant on a nexus for this. http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...urity-updates-every-month-its-android-devices
**Price**
Local RRP for the 6P is $899 which call it what you want (gouging, Australia tax, market factors) is a huge increase in the $499 US that US customers pay.
Unfortunately I think it will be harder to source cheap grey Nexus 6P stock this time around, as all countries except for North America (with the US Bands version) got done over by the [international pricing model](http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/09/30/prices-nexus-5x-nexus-6p-across-globe/). Hong Kong/Asia where a lot of grey stuff comes from is not significantly cheaper than Australia (+27% vs +21%) and that's without a GST. You can probably get one for $840 delivered from Clove/Handtec at launch, but at these similar prices I'd personally pay an extra $50 for excellent 2 year playstore warranty. Historically, Nexus devices have had stock supply issues initially and thus haven't always had cheap grey stock prices for 3+ months after launch.
Either way, it's going to be more expensive than the Note 5 in the foreseeable future.
Samsung has pretty good price retention as well. Brand new Note 4s still retail for $650-$700. Resale value used is ~$500-550 on ebay compared to the Nexus 6 which is $400-450. When I got my [Nexus 6 in December](https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/174328), I remember it actually cost more than the Note 4 (paid $765 via Amazon France, Note 4 was ~$720 on a ebay sale).
TLDR
The Note 5 has undoubtedly miles better hardware and will be cheaper than the Nexus 6P at launch. The benefits of pure android and the latest android updates are no longer as important as they once were given the maturity of android as an OS as evidenced by only minor incremental updates in Marshmallow. Advancements in TouchWiz and xposed framework have made non pure android much more tolerable than it once was.
The only other major con I see with the Note 5 is the absence of a 64GB version in Australia, and if it does come it'll be ridiculously expensive (+$300 over the 32GB currently from grey imports and no stock as well). There are ways around this with cloud storage. I uploaded my 20GB music collection to Google music and can stream it free. I run a networked storage drive at home for media streaming. You can also get USB OTG dongles for your mSD card which work well when you want to carry extra media locally.
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LOL at 'miles better harder'?... You are exaggerating quite a bit. BTW, it has been confired that the 6P uses the latest Samsung panel.
"Miles better hardware' yet multitasking, scrolling and animations are faster and smoother on the 6P. Advanced Kryptonian technology won't make Touchwiz smooth. You care too much about spec sheets dude. Real life performance is much more important.
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Ill keep it simple.
Note 5 has:
Multi Window
Pen
Brighter screen in daylight
Better camera
Wireless charging
Tiny bit better dimensions
More attractive/professional build quality
Samsung pay
Better cpu/gpu
More ram
Nexus has
Dual forward speakers
Type c port
Bigger battery
Rootable without voiding warranty
Instant updates
Note 5 wins.
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Reviews are in for the 6P and almost all of them are stating it's the best Android smartphone period including the Note 5. It just goes to show you that the sum of it's parts and amazing optimized software trump spec sheets. Pre-ordered 5 days ago. Going to sell the Note 5 as soon as it arrives. Can't wait to leave touchwiz!
Cool have fun with no s pen, no multi window, no one handed mode, no quick reply, a worse camera, bland speakers, and no wireless charging. Oh and a garbage processor with a full gig less ram. Bye.
Anybody had the chance to test both or probably own both? What would you recommend? I have the option to get Note 5 for just 50 EUR more than Moto so I can't decide. This is what I was able to gather
Camera: better on Note 5
Battery: better on Note 5
Display/colors: better on Note 5
Updates: better on Moto
System: better on Moto (pure android)
Thanks for any inputs
It depends on the time you will keep the phone with you... Apps/android get heavier and heavier with time, and add that to an already heavy interface that is touchwiz, for me that takes a good year of life a phone may have. I'm personally not a fan of touchwiz, or of all that bloatware samsung throws at a phone to start with, but i gotta say i was kinda seduced by note 5. The phone is gorgeous, AMOLED is awesome (even though it burns with time, another thing that adds to the decrease of the phone's life), the battery seems fine, there was some power tests with it and it held up quite well... but i still went for the x style 'cause of the clean, top notch system. Also battery life isn't that much of a big deal, 'cause turbopower charges really fast.
The Note 5 is has an Exynos SoC, so you're pretty much guaranteed dismal development on it. I just glanced at the Note 5 xda page and it looks like it is just some stock mods. That would be fine on the Moto X. I'm actually just running rooted stock on it now, but on the Note...Touchwiz [involuntary shudder].
I've heard Touchwiz is getting better, but I'm not so sure Touchwiz is getting better. I just think Samsung is cranking out some awesome silicon that is actually capable of dragging that boat anchor.
You better believe Samsung has already moved on to the next big thing. Supporting last years' flagships is not high on their priority list. My other phone is a Galaxy S3, a 2012 flagship. It hadn't seen an update since it got kitkat in late 2013. In mid 2015 they actually pushed another OTA, but it was just another kitkat version that was supposed to patch stagefright vulnerabilities. Hilariously enough it only patched about 2 of the 6 or so CVE's.
On the other hand that phone is actually running rock solid CM 12.1 based custom roms. It also has some pretty promising early CM 13 based builds, but it has a Qualcomm snapdragon SoC (its the i747 not the i9300). It is kind of a sad state of affairs, but we really rely on the dev community to keep our older devices patched and up to date more than at least some manufacturers.
TLDR - Samsung makes great hardware, but they can keep their Exynos, their Knox, and their Touchwiz. I know of no reason why the Superbrick treason should ever be forgot. Give me Qualcomm, a close to AOSP experience, and a microSD slot please.
I purchased a Pixel 2 XL when it first came out and I loved it but the development was slow so I switched to the Essential phone I also loved that phone but it was to glitchy. The Essential phone has come a long way now with all the updates it's a decent phone and the build quality is amazing but.... I still wasn't happy with it. I made another switch to the OnePlus 5t Red international variant and that phone was fantastic including the development but I didn't like the screen on that phone. Then I found my self on the Huawei Mate 10 Pro great phone but I hated the the UI/Skin on that phone so I then switch to the Galaxy S9 Plus which in my opinion has the best screen in the business and the build quality is excellent but once again I hated the UI/Skin on it. If I could get an S9 with stock Android on it I'd be in heaven ?. Now I'm back on the Pixel 2 XL and I'm so happy don't know why I even left in the first place.
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I purchased a Pixel 2 XL when it first came out and I loved it but the development was slow so I switched to the Essential phone I also loved that phone but it was to glitchy. The Essential phone has come a long way now with all the updates it's a decent phone and the build quality is amazing but.... I still wasn't happy with it. I made another switch to the OnePlus 5t Red international variant and that phone was fantastic including the development but I didn't like the screen on that phone. Then I found my self on the Huawei Mate 10 Pro great phone but I hated the the UI/Skin on that phone so I then switch to the Galaxy S9 Plus which in my opinion has the best screen in the business and the build quality is excellent but once again I hated the UI/Skin on it. If I could get an S9 with stock Android on it I'd be in heaven ?. Now I'm back on the Pixel 2 XL and I'm so happy don't know why I even left in the first place.
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The prodigal son has returned home! Sounded like a fun trip though! ??
It's been a long "trip", But welcome back and Development has been moving forward decently!!
Exynos version of the S9 and S9+ can run official lineage OS
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I purchased a Pixel 2 XL when it first came out and I loved it but the development was slow so I switched to the Essential phone I also loved that phone but it was to glitchy. The Essential phone has come a long way now with all the updates it's a decent phone and the build quality is amazing but.... I still wasn't happy with it. I made another switch to the OnePlus 5t Red international variant and that phone was fantastic including the development but I didn't like the screen on that phone. Then I found my self on the Huawei Mate 10 Pro great phone but I hated the the UI/Skin on that phone so I then switch to the Galaxy S9 Plus which in my opinion has the best screen in the business and the build quality is excellent but once again I hated the UI/Skin on it. If I could get an S9 with stock Android on it I'd be in heaven ?. Now I'm back on the Pixel 2 XL and I'm so happy don't know why I even left in the first place.
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Did you sell all of these or do you still have them?
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Did you sell all of these or do you still have them?
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I still have the Essential and the S9+
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Exynos version of the S9 and S9+ can run official lineage OS
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I still have the Essential and the S9+
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How bad is the essentials camera? I've only used one in store and it didn't seem bad at all.
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How bad is the essentials camera? I've only used one in store and it didn't seem bad at all.
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The Essential can run the Pixel camera almost perfectly
I did almost the same,
S8+
Note 8
One plus 5t
And now I have pixel 2 xl and ipx
I just love the stock Android and fast updates ,
So Android P on pixel and not to far iOS 12
I found out way back in the say that the only UI/skin I liked was stock Android. My galaxy s4 was when I really got into phone nodding. I was one of those spec idiots who seen Samsung as the best and looked at nothing else but also knew nothing about stock Android. Then I learned about more then just rooting and learned about custom roms. My galaxy S4 ran CM mod until I decided to try the lg g3 and then I did the same with that phone and ran cm on it until I finally the nexus 6 was supposed on Verizon. Then I bought that then my OG pixel xl and now pixel 2 xl.
My 1st P2XL had a very blue display. I returned it and got a much better unit but it started with the display flashing when the display turned off. I returned that one and got a good unit. The S9+ came out and I sold my Pixel and bought the Samsung phone, being kind of disillusioned by the problems I had with the Pixel. The S9+ is a good phone but I miss my Pixel. I thought about selling it & buying another P2XL but I think I can wait for the P3. The Samsung display is great, bluetooth works well which was an issue on my Pixel until recently - it seems to have been fixed. I tried to use the S9+ with it's stock apps but found myself replacing most of the basic apps with the Google counterparts. Hoping I can wait until October. Really miss my Pixel A less than optimal Pixel is better than anything else.
On a pixel 2 xl and a mate 10 pro. Pixel for private, Huawei for work (Hello Chinese state agents - What';s that you say ALL mobile phones are made in China?).
The Pixel is defintely nicer in-hand to use. But the Mate 10 Pro is also a great phone. I don't really get comments like "hated the UI/skin"? Just use a different launcher, the Pixel one works great on it.
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On a pixel 2 xl and a mate 10 pro. Pixel for private, Huawei for work (Hello Chinese state agents - What';s that you say ALL mobile phones are made in China?).
The Pixel is defintely nicer in-hand to use. But the Mate 10 Pro is also a great phone. I don't really get comments like "hated the UI/skin"? Just use a different launcher, the Pixel one works great on it.
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The skin affects much more than the launcher. I loved my Honor 8, but no matter what launcher or theme I used, all of the system menus still looked like a cheap iOS knockoff and didn't match the look of the apps and launcher. It's not a deal breaker though, just a quirk that has no remedy.
I have a Note 9 as my primary phone, and a Pixel 2 XL as a work phone. For awhile, Nexus and Pixel devices had a huge advantage in terms of speed and smoothness. However, after using a Note 9 with 8 GB RAM, I can honestly say the Pixel 2 XL feels slower and buggier. Sure, the camera on the Pixel 2 XL may be slightly better in certain scenarios, but virtually everything else is better on the Note 9. I know timely updates are also a consideration but Google is in a weird experimental phase where newer isn't always better. I've always been a fan of stock Android but is anyone else feeling like it's lacking a great deal of customization and useful features? I'm also a bit puzzled why the Pixel 3 XL is limited to 4 GB RAM, when 6 or 8 GB could have really boosted multi-tasking and gaming. The price is astronomical for such mid-range specs. which likely won't perform much better than the Pixel 2 line. If it weren't for locked bootloaders, high end Samsung and LG phones running Project Treble ROM's would blow Pixels out of the water. What are your thoughts?
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I have a Note 9 as my primary phone, and a Pixel 2 XL as a work phone. For awhile, Nexus and Pixel devices had a huge advantage in terms of speed and smoothness. However, after using a Note 9 with 8 GB RAM, I can honestly say the Pixel 2 XL feels slower and buggier. Sure, the camera on the Pixel 2 XL may be slightly better in certain scenarios, but virtually everything else is better on the Note 9. I know timely updates are also a consideration but Google is in a weird experimental phase where newer isn't always better. I've always been a fan of stock Android but is anyone else feeling like it's lacking a great deal of customization and useful features? I'm also a bit puzzled why the Pixel 3 XL is limited to 4 GB RAM, when 6 or 8 GB could have really boosted multi-tasking and gaming. The price is astronomical for such mid-range specs. which likely won't perform much better than the Pixel 2 line. If it weren't for locked bootloaders, high end Samsung and LG phones running Project Treble ROM's would blow Pixels out of the water. What are your thoughts?
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You compare last year pixel with this year note, new Snapdragon Vs old, are you serious or are you trolling?
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I have a Note 9 as my primary phone, and a Pixel 2 XL as a work phone. For awhile, Nexus and Pixel devices had a huge advantage in terms of speed and smoothness. However, after using a Note 9 with 8 GB RAM, I can honestly say the Pixel 2 XL feels slower and buggier. Sure, the camera on the Pixel 2 XL may be slightly better in certain scenarios, but virtually everything else is better on the Note 9. I know timely updates are also a consideration but Google is in a weird experimental phase where newer isn't always better. I've always been a fan of stock Android but is anyone else feeling like it's lacking a great deal of customization and useful features? I'm also a bit puzzled why the Pixel 3 XL is limited to 4 GB RAM, when 6 or 8 GB could have really boosted multi-tasking and gaming. The price is astronomical for such mid-range specs. which likely won't perform much better than the Pixel 2 line. If it weren't for locked bootloaders, high end Samsung and LG phones running Project Treble ROM's would blow Pixels out of the water. What are your thoughts?
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On point.. I am keeping my pixel 2 only for camera.. my wife has Note8 and gone are the days of Samsung lag.. though it's not as snappy as Pixel 2, Note8's other features out weigh pixel 2
To be fair, we shall see how the Pixel 3 XL compares in speed tests, but 4 GB RAM doesn't seem like it will cut it for power users. I'm also pointing out that other manufacturers have optimized their UI enough that there is no longer the disparity in smoothness that gives Pixels an advantage.
For me the pixel 2xl has been exactly what I expected and wanted.. zero bloatware, fast updates, storming camera.
As for Samsung phones, my opinion had been for a long time that they make possibly the best phones out there hardware wise, but the android experience on a whole is rubbish. Bloatware, Bixby, slow updates.
Why there is no switch in Samsungs software to make the phone run stock Android beats me. I'd sooner have a Nokia 8 /Scirocco over a Samsung every day of the week.
However what really annoys me is the reviewers from various websites..
Looks last year because it's not quite full screen blah blah blah and then complain about the pixel 3xl having a notch !!!
I'm happy to have a border top and bottom and have stereo speakers.
No wireless charging on pixel 2 winge. Well I'd sooner have the aluminium back if I'm honest. Less to break if dropped.
Reviewers will be still pissing and moaning when it costs people as much as an iPhone to repair a back glass panel.
If I was in the market for the pixel 3 this year, I'd be going for the 3 and not the XL purely because of the notch on the XL.
As it stands, the Mrs has ordered the pixel 3, coming from an s7 edge and my upgrade will coincide with the pixel 4 next year.
I am really excited about the pixel 3 software enhancements trickling down to the pixel 2 like call screening.
Either waiting on Google to update or the geniuses on XDA porting it out.
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I have a Note 9 as my primary phone, and a Pixel 2 XL as a work phone. For awhile, Nexus and Pixel devices had a huge advantage in terms of speed and smoothness. However, after using a Note 9 with 8 GB RAM, I can honestly say the Pixel 2 XL feels slower and buggier. Sure, the camera on the Pixel 2 XL may be slightly better in certain scenarios, but virtually everything else is better on the Note 9. I know timely updates are also a consideration but Google is in a weird experimental phase where newer isn't always better. I've always been a fan of stock Android but is anyone else feeling like it's lacking a great deal of customization and useful features? I'm also a bit puzzled why the Pixel 3 XL is limited to 4 GB RAM, when 6 or 8 GB could have really boosted multi-tasking and gaming. The price is astronomical for such mid-range specs. which likely won't perform much better than the Pixel 2 line. If it weren't for locked bootloaders, high end Samsung and LG phones running Project Treble ROM's would blow Pixels out of the water. What are your thoughts?
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Agreed. I have a 2xl. I ordered the 3 XL and cancelled it the same day. My 2xl runs amazing still. All I get would be a notch. I don't take crazy pics at all. One thing that bugs the hell out of me about pixel is the apps in memory. It's kills the so fast, especially my stock messages app! It's annoying as hell. I have always hated on samsung but have seriously been considering switching it up completely and getting a note 9. Plus Samsung will give me more than Google for trade in!
And you know, Samsung is explosively better.....
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I have a Note 9 as my primary phone, and a Pixel 2 XL as a work phone. For awhile, Nexus and Pixel devices had a huge advantage in terms of speed and smoothness. However, after using a Note 9 with 8 GB RAM, I can honestly say the Pixel 2 XL feels slower and buggier. Sure, the camera on the Pixel 2 XL may be slightly better in certain scenarios, but virtually everything else is better on the Note 9. I know timely updates are also a consideration but Google is in a weird experimental phase where newer isn't always better. I've always been a fan of stock Android but is anyone else feeling like it's lacking a great deal of customization and useful features? I'm also a bit puzzled why the Pixel 3 XL is limited to 4 GB RAM, when 6 or 8 GB could have really boosted multi-tasking and gaming. The price is astronomical for such mid-range specs. which likely won't perform much better than the Pixel 2 line. If it weren't for locked bootloaders, high end Samsung and LG phones running Project Treble ROM's would blow Pixels out of the water. What are your thoughts?
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> Comparing 2017 device with 2018
> In meanwhile Touchwiz has problems to keep smooth for a long time which Pixel doesn't
> Only 2017 device probably getting Android R
> Update speed is nowhere better than on Pixel
> More RAM wouldn't have boost anything, needing more RAM is more a sign of poor RAM management
You forget so many facts m8
I want more bang for the $buck!
PDesire said:
> Comparing 2017 device with 2018
> In meanwhile Touchwiz has problems to keep smooth for a long time which Pixel doesn't
> Only 2017 device probably getting Android R
> Update speed is nowhere better than on Pixel
> More RAM wouldn't have boost anything, needing more RAM is more a sign of poor RAM management
You forget so many facts m8
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Maybe RAM would help cuz the pixel memory management is the worst I have ever had. I will have my messages open and Spotify and my messages will be killed off in a couple min. So annoying
PDesire said:
> Comparing 2017 device with 2018
> In meanwhile Touchwiz has problems to keep smooth for a long time which Pixel doesn't
> Only 2017 device probably getting Android R
> Update speed is nowhere better than on Pixel
> More RAM wouldn't have boost anything, needing more RAM is more a sign of poor RAM management
You forget so many facts m8
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From my personal experience, the most snappiest and best ram management was with my OnePlus 3. Yes even compared to my Pixel 2 XL.
Updates were also decent with OnePlus.
More RAM doesn't hurt, and the Pixel's RAM management is poor (really bad compared to the OnePlus 3) and therefore it can really use a boost in RAM. It has also been documented by others that the pixel does slow down overtime and I myself have noticed it.
I do clean installs very regularly and I do not use the restore functionality that Google offers; I always setup from scratch. I even avoided a factory reset for two months as to allow the phone to learn my usage to get better battery to no avail.
I have used a lot of Samsung devices through the years and they have been getting better with each generation in terms of their performance.
I like the Pixel's camera and clean UI. However, this will be my first and last Google phone until the foreseeable future as I do not like the design choices and performance to cost ratio.
OnePlus also has had privacy scandals and the reason for my move from the OnePlus was because of the lackluster camera.
For those of us on Verizon, our options are limited for a clean experience. It's either buy a Pixel direct from Google, buy a Samsung made for Latin America or China with an unlockable bootloader and go through activation hoops, or buy an Unlocked US Samsung or LG which gives decent options without needing root or ROMs.
Seeing a OnePlus 6 with 8 GB RAM for under $600 does make you question if Pixels are overpriced. If they'd have released a Pixel Ultra with 6 or 8 GB RAM with no/ a smaller notch, I'd have gotten it.
Also note that one can easily get an LG V35 ThinQ or Samsung S9+ for $300+ cheaper.
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Also note that one can easily get an LG V35 ThinQ or Samsung S9+ for $300+ cheaper.
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Where are they selling S9+ for $599 or less?
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EeZeEpEe said:
Where are they selling S9+ for $599 or less?
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Swappa
S8ntsHaz3 said:
Swappa
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Oh he made it sound like brand new ones for $599.
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