Hey all,
I'm sick of waiting around for the Samsung Note 10.1" and I really want a device with great stylus support. I have owned ThinkPads in the past (when they were IBM) and from the reviews it seems like most peoples problems with this device were software, not hardware related. I've owned 3 other android devices, always rooted and loaded custom ROMs on them but I am seeing a lot less development activity and choice here. So some questions:
1) I will probably order from Amazon, 32GB w/ stylus. Not sure if it will come with ICS aka 4.0.3 aka OTA3 (I think?). If it does there is currently no way to root it correct?
2) I see there are a few rooting methods, packages, apps, etc. I am getting really confused about which ones are for which device & image (K1, TPT, ROW, JP, etc). Is there a "go to" guide for this specific device?
3) Are there any AOSP ROMs available? If not, how much junk/bloat comes with Lenovo's images?
4) I am looking to use this for business, mostly note taking and diagramming. The stylus input is the *biggest* factor for me and I want it to be smoooooooth. Am I making the right purchase?
I have experience rooting and loading custom roms via CWR on the Nexus One and SGS2-Tmo. I'm just trying to do my homework and see if this device is going to meet my needs before dropping a few hundred on it.
Thanks
I think from what you've read on the forum YOU know you are making the wrong purchase but you're sick of waiting. Then Of course by all means pls get a tpt. That impatience of yours will be tested when you have to send the tablet for a few weeks to repair the broken usb/power button/volume button. The pen is NOT smooth-it develops a mind of its own after writing for a few mins. I'm also sorry to say that development on this tablet is DEAD. There were gallant efforts by koshu and Co but lenovo has proved that they are against development of any kind. Even updates from lenovo are a pain in the backside especially if u somehow had root or Cwm recovery. It's very difficult to learn from other people's mistakes until you make yours then you'd wish you been patient and saved a few hundred dollars
ac251404 said:
Hey all,
I'm sick of waiting around for the Samsung Note 10.1" and I really want a device with great stylus support. I have owned ThinkPads in the past (when they were IBM) and from the reviews it seems like most peoples problems with this device were software, not hardware related. I've owned 3 other android devices, always rooted and loaded custom ROMs on them but I am seeing a lot less development activity and choice here. So some questions:
1) I will probably order from Amazon, 32GB w/ stylus. Not sure if it will come with ICS aka 4.0.3 aka OTA3 (I think?). If it does there is currently no way to root it correct?
2) I see there are a few rooting methods, packages, apps, etc. I am getting really confused about which ones are for which device & image (K1, TPT, ROW, JP, etc). Is there a "go to" guide for this specific device?
3) Are there any AOSP ROMs available? If not, how much junk/bloat comes with Lenovo's images?
4) I am looking to use this for business, mostly note taking and diagramming. The stylus input is the *biggest* factor for me and I want it to be smoooooooth. Am I making the right purchase?
I have experience rooting and loading custom roms via CWR on the Nexus One and SGS2-Tmo. I'm just trying to do my homework and see if this device is going to meet my needs before dropping a few hundred on it.
Thanks
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1) Correct, as of now.
2) Not applicable for a device you purchase that has ICS already loaded - which it will.
3) See 2 above.
4) You really have no option to the TPT if you're looking for a primarily business-oriented tablet, or one with an active digitizer pen. There aren't really any other tablets around that are designed to be anything other than entertainment toys.
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I think from what you've read on the forum YOU know you are making the wrong purchase but you're sick of waiting. Then Of course by all means pls get a tpt. That impatience of yours will be tested when you have to send the tablet for a few weeks to repair the broken usb/power button/volume button. The pen is NOT smooth-it develops a mind of its own after writing for a few mins. I'm also sorry to say that development on this tablet is DEAD. There were gallant efforts by koshu and Co but lenovo has proved that they are against development of any kind. Even updates from lenovo are a pain in the backside especially if u somehow had root or Cwm recovery. It's very difficult to learn from other people's mistakes until you make yours then you'd wish you been patient and saved a few hundred dollars
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I guess I was basing my impressions of the pen from this video: http://youtu.be/prqFXRFHbPE It looks like it has some quirks but for the most part these are software issues. I know I am running a risk buying something that is already out-dated, but I feel like the device still has potential with the right software and a price tag under $400.
I appreciate both of your replies but I guess I am no closer to figuring this out and should put off my purchase for another few months to see what else is in the pipeline. I wish there was more video and coverage of the stylus input on the new windows tablets.
I have been waiting *years* for the right tablet with pen input to come along. I do not understand how people deny that a market exists for these devices. I'm not even in school anymore (been hoping for this type of device since my first year of university) but if I was, as a science major the ability to draw and sketch ideas and diagrams, not to mention annotate PDFs/reading material, and have digital copies of my textbooks... it just all seems so obvious. As a web developer I am still constantly sketching out ideas and concepts and *cannot* take notes with a keyboard. I am a visual and tactile learner and the subtle underlines and annotations of my notes make all the difference.
Ok sorry for venting. Thanks for the replies.
ac251404 said:
Hey all,
I'm sick of waiting around for the Samsung Note 10.1" and I really want a device with great stylus support. I have owned ThinkPads in the past (when they were IBM) and from the reviews it seems like most peoples problems with this device were software, not hardware related. I've owned 3 other android devices, always rooted and loaded custom ROMs on them but I am seeing a lot less development activity and choice here. So some questions:
1) I will probably order from Amazon, 32GB w/ stylus. Not sure if it will come with ICS aka 4.0.3 aka OTA3 (I think?). If it does there is currently no way to root it correct?
2) I see there are a few rooting methods, packages, apps, etc. I am getting really confused about which ones are for which device & image (K1, TPT, ROW, JP, etc). Is there a "go to" guide for this specific device?
3) Are there any AOSP ROMs available? If not, how much junk/bloat comes with Lenovo's images?
4) I am looking to use this for business, mostly note taking and diagramming. The stylus input is the *biggest* factor for me and I want it to be smoooooooth. Am I making the right purchase?
I have experience rooting and loading custom roms via CWR on the Nexus One and SGS2-Tmo. I'm just trying to do my homework and see if this device is going to meet my needs before dropping a few hundred on it.
Thanks
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Welcome to the TPT forums!
First of all, this tablet has a very low dev support hence you might have to wait for a long time to be able to root your device and load custom roms. As for now, there is a user who has compiled AOSP jelly bean on his TPT which is partially working. So my point is that things are happening in the dev center but at a very slow pace.
If you are buying this tablet to make diagrams and sketches then I would highly recommend it. The plus points of the TPT is that the hardware is really solid. I unfortunately dropped it a couple of times (well my friends dropped it) from a considerable height and there are no scratches or dents and the tablet works just great hence its pretty well built. Having a full sized USB is a great deal maker for me, being a university student, helps me rally data to old systems real quick.
As far as pen capabilities are concerned, there are quite a few apps that will make great use of it. Like the apps named quill,lecture notes etc will definitely be great for the device. I personally take notes on quill and i must say that the tablet lives upto my expectations. I have virtually replaced pen and paper with it. After the ICS update, the device is pretty snappy and the general UI experience has improved great folds from the honeycomb times.
I never rooted my tablet and never felt the need of doing so, cause like I said, after the ICS update the device is much faster thanks to custom launchers and disabling certain vendor apps. The main reason why i bought this tablet was to take notes and it has surpassed my expectations.
So if sketching is the main use instead of multimedia experience, then go for it. It is a practical device.
Hope that helped, let me know if i can assist you any further.
Cheers
Vito
Hey there, just a quick summary of what the different versions mean:
US,ROW,WE etc is the region of the device.
TPT is the thinkpad tablet
K1 is an entirely different Lenovo tablet, with no pen support. As far as I can tell, the two are not compatible (ROMs etc.) I'm pretty sure that K1 activity is routed here because there is no dedicated forum for it.
I hope to write a guide for the device shortly. There is not much development going on but that does not mean it is dead. Devs are working on various (very alpha) ports of CM9 and AOSP JB, and the official lenovo update is apparently very nice (including making the pen even better to use )
In terms of bloat, lenovo does add quite a few annoying apps, but luckily most can be uninstalled without root.
I bought a 32GB ROW (because I'm in canada). I have been using NVflash and am able to flash roms without the use of CWM, which could turn out to be our salvation. It looks like US tablets have NVflash disabled. I don't know if this means all ROW tablets are unlocked, but I haven't heard of anyone with an ROW tablet not having NVflash access. ( I also haven't looked very hard)
Stay tuned, I have a feeling there will some nice breakthroughs on this tablet eventually
ac251404 said:
1) I will probably order from Amazon, 32GB w/ stylus. Not sure if it will come with ICS aka 4.0.3 aka OTA3 (I think?). If it does there is currently no way to root it correct?
2) I see there are a few rooting methods, packages, apps, etc. I am getting really confused about which ones are for which device & image (K1, TPT, ROW, JP, etc). Is there a "go to" guide for this specific device?
3) Are there any AOSP ROMs available? If not, how much junk/bloat comes with Lenovo's images?
4) I am looking to use this for business, mostly note taking and diagramming. The stylus input is the *biggest* factor for me and I want it to be smoooooooth. Am I making the right purchase?
Thanks
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1) Probably you will get Honeycomb version. I do not believe there is anyone upgrading the stock. And probably no ICS loaded devices were made (seems like production stopped some time ago).
2) Hard to tell, as it is unclear which version Amazon is selling. But generally if you have some basic experience, you will make it.
3) There is no working aftermarket ROM. But after upgrade to ICS the situation is a lot better. Using alternative launcher ignoring the Lenovo SW can make the job.
4) I bought it for the same reason. More than HW you fight the SW looking for the best app to make your notes. The Lenovo SW is not usable. And every alternative I tried has some issues.
I clearly understand your dilemma. I doubt that waiting for Samy Note tablet will satisfy you, as this will be the first Samy experience with pen ... I expect a lot of problems, which Lenovo somehow solved till now with ICS release.
I was buying it as replacement for old Lenovo Windows tablet with pen. Especially in combination with OneNote it was great tool ... but it was old, heavy and broken by years of use.
After some time, I got used to this tablet, and I do not use notebook going to client. There TPT can make the job. For other more demanding work I have standard "big" PC.
Of course ... if you buy TPT you will have to accept some "features" like slow charging without full power off (and cold boot after charge), or sometimes frozen unlocking touch till you do not pull the pen of. I don't know how you, but I can live with these problems .
Generally. There is NO device with ANY operating system, which can satisfy needs of me and probably you. Having electronic alternative for paper and pen.
Anyway I'm more satisfied with current status than with lot of papers, where I usually I was not able to find the note I needed
If you need such device, go for TPT a use to live with it. Not perfect, but probably the best available.
Galaxy Note 10.1
Woohoo, the galaxy note 10.1 has been officially announced for release later this month. If you have waited this long, a couple of weeks shouldn't bee too much. As for me, I'm simply salivating at the specs - Quad core processor, wifi+3g versions, 7000mAh battery, 1200 x 800 display; weighing in at approx 600g (way lighter than the ipad). Oh and you can bet that samsung's pen will be far better than the horrific stylus on the thinkpad (just ask galaxy note users). Having had a galaxy s2/s3, I know that samsung products are extremely easy to root, mod update, etc; unlike the thinkpad where even updating is a pain. All in all, I'm elated that I can finally toss out this piece of garbage that lenovo put out. Infact, if someone offers me 100pounds for my thinkpad, I'll toss it to them with some change.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-review-50007108/
how do you like it
Not very impressive resolution for the price.
Wondering about root for model P580NZKAXAR. I found https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...covery-official-twrp-galaxy-tab-10-1-t3473023 but it states SM-P580 (gtanotexlwifi). I'm looking for a 10" tablet for watching shows on that wasn't very expensive and was hoping this tablet would fit the bill. I really want root so that I can use an adblock. Thanks for any help.
Same tablet and the rooting process works fine with it
hi I'm very new to this android rooting world. from what I've gathered it's highly useful. I'm looking to root my Samsung s8 sm-g950u can it be done without bricking it. I have a PC Windows 10 to download the needed things. my wife has the one plus 3t. if i stay with android I'm considering my options with phones. I understand the one plus brand and google pixel among some others are very useful.. some being easier to root also more stable than others. all of what I know is through reading. if I do buy another android what the best for a beginner. I'm not looking to over clock. just stream line the phone. gather some useful apps. basically learn have fun and explore.
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hi I'm very new to this android rooting world. from what I've gathered it's highly useful. I'm looking to root my Samsung s8 sm-g950u can it be done without bricking it. I have a PC Windows 10 to download the needed things. my wife has the one plus 3t. if i stay with android I'm considering my options with phones. I understand the one plus brand and google pixel among some others are very useful.. some being easier to root also more stable than others. all of what I know is through reading. if I do buy another android what the best for a beginner. I'm not looking to over clock. just stream line the phone. gather some useful apps. basically learn have fun and explore.
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Sure, you can do it without bricking the phone
But, since S8 is a samsung phone, it is better for you to know the drawback of rooting your phone, mainly because the Knox getting tripped. Some of it (like, secure folder or instant login from browser) will be unable to be used anymore.
warphoenix30 said:
hi I'm very new to this android rooting world. from what I've gathered it's highly useful. I'm looking to root my Samsung s8 sm-g950u can it be done without bricking it. I have a PC Windows 10 to download the needed things. my wife has the one plus 3t. if i stay with android I'm considering my options with phones. I understand the one plus brand and google pixel among some others are very useful.. some being easier to root also more stable than others. all of what I know is through reading. if I do buy another android what the best for a beginner. I'm not looking to over clock. just stream line the phone. gather some useful apps. basically learn have fun and explore.
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If its a US 950 U knox cannot be tripped battery only charges to 80% samsung pay does not work
Also in setting about phone and software information and or base band We need to know what firmware you are running now As root is only possible up to a revision 2 bootloader anything higher cannot be rooted or downgraded to root
Well honestly I won't own another one of these. They can't have tempered glass. I dont really use the features that help these sell. Just looking to remove the bloatware and take more control over the phone. The hardware is nice. I'd rather be using a high end flagship vanilla android.
Baseband version is G950USQS5CRF5.
Sounds like I should be using a android that more root friendly. Which would be better? One plus. LG or google pixel?
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Sure, you can do it without bricking the phone
But, since S8 is a samsung phone, it is better for you to know the drawback of rooting your phone, mainly because the Knox getting tripped. Some of it (like, secure folder or instant login from browser) will be unable to be used anymore.[/QUOTE
I dont use secure folder. Mayne I don't know enough about it to know if I should be if i need to. I really trying use my pc more for things then my phone. So some of these these if i end up rooting or being able to root it. I probably won't miss. Or maybe I'm not anwarw of why I have to be missing them.
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Hello and thanks in advance. My tablet is the wifi only version. I haven't received an update since July 2018. I'm contemplating purchasing a iPad pro 10.5". I need something stable that I can take pictures, simple edits, post to eBay, FB. Something to use instead of a Chromebook or Windows laptop. I tried a Chromebook but the display was so dark I could hardly work on it. The size of this is fine but what will he better if I were to root it?
Also I found this HuRUpdater, but it's from 2016. Is that the most current? And same for a TWRP.
I've been reading about rooting for years but I have never done it. Searching for the most current ROM was always a spider web so hopefully someone will chime in and point out where to go etc. I realize everyone is very busy so anyone replying, I will be very thankful!
I was following the root method for tablet 8" but it was an older version. Now I can no longer boot up the tablet since I flashed the wrong boot.img. I unlocked the bootloader but that's the furthest I can get.
Anyone have any luck rooting on these 100003561 Onn 8" Tablet Pro Android 10 devices? Maybe post a guide for beginners to show what is possible?
No luck here either
Andenthu said:
Anyone have any luck rooting on these 100003561 Onn 8" Tablet Pro Android 10 devices? Maybe post a guide for beginners to show what is possible?
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I tried it last night, and got the code orange loop. I'm going to try to restore factory and go another route
I have that model, too. Doesn't come pre-loaded with junk, fortunately -- mostly I just want to remap the stupid dedicated Walmart app button. It's a present for an elderly relatively that lives without a car in a town nowhere near any Walmart business -- never used a smart phone before (and I'm guessing even though she's pushing 90 she's never been in a Walmart).
Kind of annoying they put the Walmart button in the very location you normally press to see which tasks are running.
PS: I've only had it for less than a day, haven't played with it much, but so far, it's much nicer than I was expecting, at least in terms of how the build quality "feels."
It's really not a bad cheapie choice if you prefer to avoid the Amazon ecosystem.