Once in a while, when your significant other yells at you, you might use your phone a bit less. Rate this thread to express how the 's battery performs under light use. A higher rating indicates that the device goes a long time when you're using the phone sparingly: no gaming or video/audio streaming, light web browsing, some calling and texts, etc.
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Extremely good battery for light use.
When I got the phone it was 57% charged, I downloaded all of my apps and was setting up the phone, didn't charge it overnight and I woke up and it was on 20% after 12 hours off charger. Screen on time was over 4 hours so battery seems very good on WiFi plus I wouldn't normally be downloading that much data so looking good.
Light use for a 12 hour work day for me. Checking email/Facebook every 30min-1hr for a short duration, like 1-3 min. Battery drained from 100% to 90%. Pretty amazing.
Brilliant light use.
Sot max use - brilliant too
grabbed this the other day
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I've got two full days and it lasted until just after the middle of the day on the third day. The quick charger is insane btw.
On average I'm getting two days with spare and that's with me using it as a phone with Web browsing, YouTube and the odd photohere and there.
I take my phone off charge at 6.30ish.
Yeah, with normal use and some gaming and getting two days out of it normally.
There are a lot of threads that discuss the issues with the phone (I've experienced none of them, luckily I think?), but not enough threads praising it. I can't understand people selling the phones, apart from the green screen issue I guess.
Heavy use here
Always on LTE, BT on using Android Wear. I stream Spotify for 7-8hrs constant a day. Constantly on screen viewing XDA, fb, IG etc for 5-hours straight
~40hours average. 10h +SOT avg. Longest is 11
Crazy battery!
On day 7 so far and this battery seems to be getting better and better! I came from the Mate 10 Pro, which had the best battery life I had encountered by far, but this takes it up another level!
This image is from 15 minutes ago, it's not heavy use but average, 1 hour of screen on time with 20 minutes of voice calls, I took my phone off charge at 6 am. My display is set to WQHD+.
I'm impressed with this phone, I'm glad I upgraded!
Battery great. Useful with Wear OS and BT music listening. I'm coming from the LG V30 and I considered it acceptable. The Mate 20pro has taken it up a notch. 6hr SOT time readily achievable.
Hey,
Loving the battery.... Awesomeness
It just seems to be getting better each day, this is from yesterday evening just before I completed a 3-hour skype call via Bluetooth, which only took off about 15% off the battery. I went to bed at 11 pm ish with still 18% of battery and around 7hours of screen time on.
Amazing battery!
leo72793 said:
Heavy use here
Always on LTE, BT on using Android Wear. I stream Spotify for 7-8hrs constant a day. Constantly on screen viewing XDA, fb, IG etc for 5-hours straight
~40hours average. 10h +SOT avg. Longest is 11
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What settings are you using to get 10h SOT? I usually get around 6. Do you keep brightness on manual and keep it quite low? Mostly indoor / darker room use?
The battery has been getting better, on my lightest day I woke up with 100% at 7am and at 10pm I still had 73% before bed. Overnight drain is still bad though woke up with 60%.
There was only one day of heavy use where I had to switch on ultra power save mode as 10% before getting home. But it was 7am to 1am and I was at a gig with bad signal and using 4k recording for about 30 mins
3 Days
Well I've been happy with it so far and I know EMUI 9.1 will improve it even more due to its new file system
Well, I woke up at 10am, and then restored around 20 gigabytes worth of data from my old phone, played Hustle Castle for a while, and listened to some music. It is now 2:47pm and I'm at 98%. This phone lasts so long it makes me angry at the other phone manufacturers lol
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How good of battery life is everyone getting on their Fascinate? I've never had any trouble making a full day on it, and I think it actually got improved battery life since I installed the DI01 update a couple days ago. My phone has currently been unplugged for about 15:40, and with relatively light usage (no phone calls, reading a bit of news, checked the weather couple times, etc.), is only down to 71%. I'm not even gonna bother plugging it in tonight, and see if I can get through tomorrow with it.
i effen love this battery life. couldnt be any better
with continuously heavy usage i make it through the day, usally at least 2-4 hours of voice calls and 45min to 1hr with browser, 30min music, long enough to get the job done while looking at porn.(u know porn is for android LOLZ) ne way for real, another 30 min looking at droid-life,engadget,phandroid, and xda, and the rest on xda, its great
I get around 32 hours with moderate usage
I took 8.5 hours of streaming Pandora over 3g to get my battery down to 15% from a near full charge at work the other day.
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I'm now at 1 day, 5 hours, and 47 minutes unplugged, and with light usage, am at 52%. w00t!
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I'm averaging about 12 hours off the plug before I need to find a power source again. This is 4 hours better than my old Moto Droid 1 so I'm definitely not complaining. I spend a LOT of time on the Remote VNC app logging into computers around where I work, and that tends to drain the battery fairly quickly. I can easily make it through the day on my days off at work.
Yeah I get very solid battery life with my fascinate. Usually down to 40% after a full day which is constantly checking and replying to emails, moderate texting, maybe 45min of web browsing, 30 min of streaming radio, and an hour of playing Abduction 2 .
Im pleased as well. Usage varies. I tell people the battery is good for about 5-6 hours of constant non-stop use. Screen lit, downloading something via WiFi or 3G, apps, games, camera, emails, texts, GPS/Nav, whatever. Constant heavy use = 5-6hours. So if you are like me and average maybe 20minutes per hour of actually using it, an 12-14 hour day is a piece of cake. If you only average using it heavy duty 10 minutes per hour than absolutely you can probably get away with charging every other day.
22h 47m Since unplugged. Battery now at 26%. I keep GPS and Autosync off until I need them. Also installed an app called Battery Boost that helps manage battery draining stuff you can't keep up with. I think it helps and was free.
wow you guys are getting really long batt life. I moderately use my phone and I always get around 13-15 hours. I don't play games / listen to music, I turn off everything except GPS and have screen at lowest brightness. The only time I hit 24 hours is when I installed juice defender.
little over 16 hours; quite pleased
I am not using juice defender and I am getting a little over 16 hours with moderate usage.
From 5am to 8pm it lasts.. on 3g and at 8pm I get home and switch to wifi.. which is about 30% at 8pm.
I found that disabling that last option in the display settings really helped me.
I also am not using any task killers or (again) JuiceDefender or GPS or BT, just 3g cellular service for most of the day.
I am rooted and have the lagfix applied via the original dirrk method.
Battery Life
The first day I got the phone I thought the battery was crap. But I did do a TON of stuff on it. (Rooted, Lagfix, a zillion installs)
Day 2 with the phone I was at school and used it quite frequently from 7 AM and worked until 10 PM. At school everyone had to see it and it was in use almost all day. It finally died around 10:15.
Over all I am pleased with the battery life and I am sure after I get to a norm with having everything set the way I want it will last a lot longer.....
I've been streaming Pandora for about six hours. I've downloaded a bunch of apps/widgets and spent a lot of time customizing my phone, just playing around. Talked for about half an hour and I'm at about 50%.
Well, i think we can all agree that the battery life on the Fascinate is quite satisfactory. Oh, just a quick tip. With the AMOLED screen, black pixels are actually pixels that are turned off, so the more black you have on your screen, the less power it will draw, as more pixels are turned off. I set my xda app to the dark theme, mostly because I like it better, but it has the added benefit of saving battery life too. I plan on sticking with dark wallpapers and stuff.
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Only had mine for a day so I can't really comment on the life of the battery, but one thing that does puzzle me is that the battery indicator in the upper right is full, but its only at 82% charged. Is this normal?
2nd day with this phone, first full day with it, so I've been testing the battery life. 2 1/2 hours of non stop usage since I woke up at 33% brightness. Calls, texts, testing the camera, playing games like NOVA, Asphalt, and Gem Miner, listening to music, and my battery is at 68%. I'm very impressed.
EDIT: Lasted from 1:19 to 11:33 yesterday before it finally died, and I seriously did not put it down all day. I'm very impressed with the battery life.
This is the usual for me. Using gps, music, lots of cellular data, wifi, etc.
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Yesterday I went to MD for a wedding and took my phone off the charger at around 2pm. When I got back today around 4, I still had charge.
It's about average I guess, but I think I had better battery service when I uninstalled the verizon visual voicemail stuff. The VVM service seems to have an impact. I assume it monitors the voicemail server and downloads voicemails when they come in.
What has been the average battery life with your TF? Mine has been good but feel like it could be better. Today for example, after charging and an hour of soem use, it was already down to 90%...but observing, it may also have like a "sweet spot" in the % meter as I often see it stay in the 50% to 30% ranges longer than the 100% to 90%...
Pretty damn good, I usually OC mine to 1.4 and have it at performance and it still lasts like 8 hours.
I have gotten into a habit of leaving mine in the dock until the dock battery is used up and then I will switch between netbook mode and tablet mode. I'm not sure on actual hour usage but I usually get between 3-4 days. And this is really my only computer at home, so I use it quite a bit.
With average use, youtube, games, reader, web browsing about 2-3 hours a day I only have to charge about twice a week. I love it. In the one test I managed I had my screen at full brightness and always on, gps and wifi tether running while I drove around town taking my wife to yard sales I ended up around 7 and half hours before i reached 15 percent. I'd say its pretty damn good. A hell of a lot better than my Adam I had before this.
Really good. Charging every couple of days
pretty good, i dont use it all at once but if i use it normally charge every 2-3 days
Mines pretty good, OD'd to 1.5 idle at 4XX. Yesterday on a 12 hour work day: browsing about 2 hours, Fring calls, playing games for about 2 hours, USAToday/CNN apps about an hour, Polaris about 45min, and watched The Hangover at 720p.
When I got home I still had about 41% left on the battery, it was on WiFi all day, bluetooth off, and auto bright on.
Lasts 8 hours if I continuously game on it.
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What has been the average battery life with your TF? Mine has been good but feel like it could be better. Today for example, after charging and an hour of soem use, it was already down to 90%...but observing, it may also have like a "sweet spot" in the % meter as I often see it stay in the 50% to 30% ranges longer than the 100% to 90%...
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10% down for an hour of use means at least 9 hours till you get to 10% which is pretty good, and just like the producer specifies. It's better than any other Honeycomb tablet out there, including Samsung's Tabs.
I can get on my TF to 11-12 hours of moderate web browsing (forums and static blog pages, not much power hungry flash) with auto-brightness (in fact close to 10%-0% brightness cause I mainly use it in the evenings, in a low lit ambient) and other than WiFi radios off, before it reaches 10%.
That's good battery life. Comparable to my wife's iPad 2.
I was out at work for 14 hours, when i came back,my battery has fallen by 22%. This happens often. In battery usage graph, i see that my tab was been awake intermittently a no. Of times during the time it was on standby, i mean like it was awake 50% of the time, in short bursts. At the same time, wifi was also on for very short intervals... my wifi is set to disconnect when screen off. I hav pulse,news360 and youtube widgets. And the asus time n weather thing. My mail did not sync during the standby time, as i received the gmail notification sometime after i switched it on. So it was probably an app that was causing multiple 'awakenings' ! Ne idea wat? I dont sync with picasa, so that may be ruled out.
Ps-this was undocked.
Pps- i found out the picasa sync option was checked, so i unchecked it. But i dont know if the battery drain was due to this. Isnt there any app like spare parts that can atleast tell the no. Of times/duration an app was used?
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after using mine for about 24 hours fairly heavily, and having it oc' ed to 1.5, and a fair ammount of gaming, id say i could get a solid 7 hours of use out of it while still gaming a good ammount. Prob more, but no long term results yet.
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Ne1 has any idea y this is happening? Any app that is known tho do this?
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What can one do to squeeze the most out of the battery.
- keep the the brightness at 50%
- set wifi to turn off when the tablet is on standby.
Anything else?
My stand-by time has been horrible. From 100% down to 85% overnight, then down to 35% after 16 hrs, and the next morning, 15% left! So I literally have to recharge every other day even with very light use!
I have set wifi to disconnet when screen off, and I have weather, pulse, gmail and c-note widgets on
I use my tablet for email, sometimes youtube and lots of games. Its on stock 3.1 with root and OCed to 1.4. It's probably like 2 hours everyday usage. I only charge it like twice a week.
I set my brightness to Auto, Wifi is on, might disconnect when screen is off, not sure.
When playing games like fallout shelter and such for a few hours and some calls and messages, it is lasting me the entire day.
So I tried recently without playing any games and just using it for browsing the web, phone/texting stuff and I am on day 3 with 20% battery.
Very happy with the battery life of this phone.
Amazing! The battery life is flat amazing... And getting better... I've noticed that after 5 charges it got at least 10% better...
Very satisfied
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In the beginning I was disappointed, but it seems to have settled in and gotten better.
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It lasts longer than my Nexus 6P, which I expected. I get about 24 hours with decent usage (some video streaming, but mostly listening to podcasts), compared to 12 hours on my 6P.
Mines lasted 12 hours to 10% with 5 hours screen on. It's on a par with my Sony which had the best battery life I've had in a smart phone so far
I think it's pretty poor, having come from a Honor 4x.
I liked the way on my Honor that it killed and kept down battery intensive apps.
Is there a non-root equivalent of this for the Moto?
My battery life is great satisified
Battery life is great I only use the moto when I leave the house otherwise I'm on tablet or laptop or PC or most likely on all 3 lol but the moto been lasting a solid 6 days with about a 1:45 of screen on time.
My battery has been amazing. Got 1day and over 4hrs screen on time
Tmobile Note4...Marshmallowed
3-4 SoT, not bad considering that my previous phone only ever managed to get 2 hours SoT.
I'm totally happy with the battery life. I put it on the turbo-power charger at bedtime, usually with more than half a charge left, after using all day. It's the best battery life I've had in a smart phone.
I'm getting excellent battery life!!
I would post pics but as a new member I cant until the 10 post limit.
I charged at 11pm on July 29th, and lasted me until next charge today at 10am August 1st.
Thats 59 hours!!
However I didnt use it much, screen time on was 3hr37mins and about 3 hours of listening to podcasts with the screen off.
And I'm really liking the turbo charging, from about 5% battery to full in 90mins.
The G4's battery life has been great for me so far! I upgraded from a Vodafone Smart Ultra 6 after parts of the screen stopped responding to touch and Vodafone refused to fix it. I was unsure the G4 could beat the immense battery life on that thing, but I'm pleasantly surprised! I can get through a full day with some YouTube, games, and a lot of reading.
I don't game and mostly use the phone for light browsing, texting, and calls. I'm very happy with the battery life so far.
My battery has been amazing. 2days 5hrs screen time.
Moto G (4)
Yeah, about that, I definitely think there is something wrong with my unit. About to get rid of it and go back to my Moto X Pure Edition... [emoji25] [emoji26] [emoji27]
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My battery lasts all day poor at charging tho
I'm taking mine back, this past weekend was a nightmare. The phone would not charge no matter if I used the supplied turbo charger, samsung adaptive fast charger, regular charger etc. It would only charge up to maybe 25% and then say it had 8 hours to full charge. It even completely drained my QC 2.0 10,000mah battery pack and never got above 25%. Even with the screen off and nothing running it was getting hot. I'm guessing I just got a bad one, luckily T-Mobile is sending a loaner S7E to use until I can get a replacement Note 7 so I can take this back to Best Buy. Shame because this would have been a great backup phone to use.
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Samsung Galaxy S9 before depleting the battery.
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I usually get 4 hours top, how about others?
I use the phone moderately, AOD, 4G, GPS high accuracy enabled. Auto-brightness, QHD resolution, no battery saver, no high-performance mode.
I voted 3*
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I usually get 4 hours top, how about others?
I use the phone moderately, AOD, 4G, GPS high accuracy enabled. Auto-brightness, QHD resolution, no battery saver, no high-performance mode.
I voted 3*
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Exynio version??
Yes
Used to get about 5 1/2 on the s8+. So far I'm at 35% on the so and over 3hrs of sot. Expecting similar with the s9 due to smaller bat.
4.5 hours yesterday ..
Today my 3rd full charge seems to be on Pace for 5 hours plus ...about 50% brightness, multiple Bluetooth devices
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First few days was around 4ish now I've done just over 6 twice in a row. Hopefully I'll be able to get 6 on avg going forward!
I usually average about 3.5-4 hours SOT on every phone I own. So far over the last 3 days my Galaxy s9 hasn't been any different. I really don't understand how you people are getting between 5-6
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I usually average about 3.5-4 hours SOT on every phone I own. So far over the last 3 days my Galaxy s9 hasn't been any different. I really don't understand how you people are getting between 5-6
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They probably have long screen timeout and just let it timeout...
Though I got 5hrs yesterday watching a lot of video both on the SDcard and streamed over my WiFi
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I usually average about 3.5-4 hours SOT on every phone I own. So far over the last 3 days my Galaxy s9 hasn't been any different. I really don't understand how you people are getting between 5-6
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The new system update seemed to have helped. Also I turned off location for a lot of apps that I won't use regularly since it might start using it in the background. Auto brightness is off and my brightness is always about half way or just under. Most other things are on like AOD. Not sure what else could have caused it.
It's always a good idea to check the battery graph page and see what apps are at the top of the list to figure out why your battery isn't doing well. Maybe it depends what you do on the phone too. For me it's mostly web browsing and watching videos.
Full charge in about 1 hour 15 minutes,
SOT averages on 4-5.5 hours
Standby drain is about 1-2% per hour
First few days I had about 2-3h SOT.
Now, after a week I am finally seeing 4 hours. Not very impressed. Only thing I have turned off is AOD and auto brightness. How people get above 5h is beyond me.
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Wifi on all day, bad reception area and still 3h SOT with 50% battery left. Looks like the battery life is improving. Note that brightness was at about 20-30%
Best I've gotten so far. Very impressed after a terrible start with the battery life.
Hi guys, I have phone 7 days now and at the atart the battery was quite bad, but now it somehow improved.. I browse web a lot and watch youtube.. Mixed usage of WiFi and 4G. With those numbers I think I could get 7 hours SoT. I was thinking that I will switch the phone for plus version, because of thr battery, but I like the small factor of regular 9. So Im quite happy, that battery is improving after a week. Im on exynos version.
This is what I'm getting on my S9 (SD 845). Picked it up on Friday so have had it for a little over 48 hrs.
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How are you guys getting over 5 hours of SOT and full day of use?
My phone drains 15-19% per hour with the screen on. At night while I'm sleeping the phone drains 1.5% per hour but during the day I'm seeing 4-6% battery drain with the screen off.
I'm using AOD, no battery saving, auto brightness, Location/Scanning on, Bluetooth on, wifi on but only if screen is on or charging.
Coming from my Oneplus 5, I'm getting around maybe half to 1/3 of the battery life of my old phone.
Will the phone get better battery life soon? Seems like everyone else is reporting terrible battery life the first few days.
Should I just throw this garbage away?
Sick of this sh*t. AOD off, WQHD+ Medium Brightness Exynos.
as expected
2nd day, and got 6hrs sot. that's with setting up the phone, taking a lot of photos at a friend's wedding and posting on Instagram, watching YouTube, trying out different themes, downloading and listening to songs on Spotify, having GPS with multiple Uber rides, AOD on, and group messaging throughout. not as good as my previous S8+, but about what I expected with the smaller battery. this is on Snapdragon, without battery saver, and always on entertainment mode.
I've had it for about 5 days and so far haven't seen SOT of longer than 3 hours. Starting to regret selling my S8+ now. I was getting 4-6 hours with that, and 500mAh shouldn't be that different. I have AOD on, HD res (not QHD), and just WiFi enabled, all other connections (NFC etc) off.
Been about 4 days on mine and have started to see 4 1/2 maybe 5 on sot. Similar to my old s8+.
What I did is fully charge and deplete battery to 0. Charge again to 100 and did trick for me.
It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Sony Xperia XZ2 Compact before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
very good even from the very first cycles.. I have gone through a whole day and a half now (35 hours from power disconnection), with average use, and still I have 41% battery juice left with already 5 hours sot.
sync on, BT off, gps off (just enabled it for about 1 hour) / most of the day on wifi (office and home) then 3G maximum when outside / no power saving modes enabled
....loving it!
bye bye ****ty s7, R.I.P., I don't miss you at all! :laugh:
I have no idea how you are reaching those times...
I got just slightly more than a day with what most would consider light usage. That is to say a couple of youtube vids in the morning, 15 minutes of music on the way to work, then a couple of web searches and emails during the day and that's it, screen brightness almost to the minimum, BT off, high precision GPS off. Overall, android shows that the screen was on for about 3 hours total during the whole period.
With this kind of usage I would get more than 2 days and a half with the Z3c when it was brand new.
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something is surely wrong there. I charged last night, after two whole days and more than 6 hours sot. with the same usage and apps, in my old s7 I used to do one day only and 3-4 hours sot maximum.
I didn't take any screens, but at the end of this cycle I will make screenshots (hopefully with same results! :fingers-crossed
I'm so impressed with the XZ2C & its battery stamina. Same apps as my Unlocked Galaxy S9+ (965U1) and it has superior battery performance. I'll post some screenies later.
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even better this cycle.. mostly on WiFi.. and keep running..
Here is my battery snapshots from yesterday:
The little XZ2 Compact blows away my Unlocked Galaxy S9+ in terms of both standby and in-use battery performance.
Both phones have the same number of apps installed.
Both have display brightness manually set to 100% brightness first then Auto-Brightness turned On.
Both phones have these toggles turned on: Wifi, Mobile Data, Bluetooth, and NFC.
The XZ2C has Location set to Device Only and the GS9+ has Location to Off.
The GS9+ is always connected via Bluetooth to my Gear S3 Classic watch.
The GS9+ has AOD turned on 24/7.
I am getting much more reasonable battery times now. Perhaps my battery wasn't calibrated right and I had to do a few cycles.
anyone here that noticed any weird behaviour after the software update? mine always suddenly get warm and uses a lot of battery for no reason. it doesn't lock up or anything, but it get around 40 degrees celsius. the last time this happened to me it did this in the middle of the night when i was asleep. it went from 65% to 2% when i woke up. according to the battery stats of the phone it drained the phone in about 2 hours. Normally when this happens i usually restart the phone and it is stops for a while.
the strange thing is after it happened in the night, the usage is normal again with 37% battery now and 6 hours and 33m sot. device has been running for 1d 8h 53m now. location, wifi and bt are all on and about 99% of the time i am on wifi and 4g is active in the background for fast switching. i have mostly been reading some novels online with firefox and ad blockers (the website has a very battery consuming video ads that can't be clicked away and ads that stay on the bottom of the screen without any way to click it away.
I´m really not in love with this battery. There is good standby behavior, indeed, but if you woke up snapdragon, battery would drain awefully. In total, battery behavior at most is average.
I usually get about 3 - 4 days of battery time with normal use. Best battery time I ever had so far on an Android, and without root, debloating and tweaking nevertheless I always have "data saving" (or what is called in English) turned on though, and tweaked lots of app not to use mobile data, or less anyway.
depending of use type
without net use
and 5x calls per days i reach 5 days without recharging
with few net surfing and few long calls per day
i reach 2 (full) days
note that i have blocked all underground/background data exchange off any apps
6 hours SOT consistently.
Satisfied overall.
Roughly 11.5 hours of screen-on time, with Wi-Fi and mobile data on, with about 1 hour of YouTube streaming. Screen was generally quite dim.
Coming from my HTC 10 that got 3.5 hours of SoT at the best, 11.5 hours is like wearing brand-new spectacles after having severe myopia.
The battery percentage indicator at the top right simply refuses to decrease over normal usage. I love the XZ2 Compact.
I trully dont understand what happend here, i had 2 normal to low usage days with one fully charge, in class charger for one and half hour or so, then 60% of batery was drain out on the drive home(bluetooth on and conected to car)
Anyone has knowledge of how this can hapen?
Battery is like a hammer. Yes and that was on my Xz1c. I think that Snapdragon and Sony soft is better for now. Better than everything else. I had s8 and Samy was
eine grosse katastrofe.