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Here on Xda, i've seen a lot talked about dealing with rooting and custom Roms.
Now I know rooting will root your device and give you admin privileges, What I don't know is what exactly I would use that for. (This is my first android device)
Also I have no idea what a custom rom is.
Now I know there has been talk about Moto possibly not going through with the 4g upgrade if you're device is rooted and/or running different software other than stock. So all that aside, if I chose to root my device, what benefits would I recieve from doing so (The only one besides the admin privilege (Which I still am unsure of possible uses for those privileges) is that i'll be able to connect to ad hoc wifi spots. Mainly mifi which is my jailbroken iPhone 3gs's tethering app)?
Also, if someone would like to add a little detail, or a link to a good source, what exactly are custom roms?
I don't plan on rooting my device just yet, I'll wait for you excellent people to work out the bugs for us end users, and I'll also wait to see what Moto has to say about this, but I would like to know.
My personal opinion, if Moto does do this about the 4g upgrade, I'd consider it a "bait and Switch" which is illegal. However, if they can prove that for some reason rooting will disrupt the upgrade for any reason, then they might be able to get away with it.
A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Thanks for your quick response. That helped enough that I'll know what i'm looking for when I go to google it.
I agree with you that it seems reasonable, but my only problem is for the people that have already done this. Releasing a devise with an unlocked bootloader (I only know what this is because i was one of those unfortunate souls that tried to jailbreak a 3gs last year after Apple quietly released a new bootloader) should have meant Moto would assume it would be rooted/flashed/whatever.
I just think that if this is a fact (That doing this will make your device incapable of working with the new hardware) it should have been mentioned a day or two before the release. Or at least the day of.
Does this mean you won't be able to root or put a custom ROM after the upgrade?
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
jondwillis said:
A custom ROM is a modified version of Android. Since Android is partially open source, and there is a huge developer following, you can find some really awesome software that brings a lot more power to your device. Not only that, but with an unlocked bootloader (like the Xoom has), you can flash different kernels to your device, which can fix (or introduce ) bugs or improve performance.
From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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Please make sure you note that this is rumor at best and that Moto is still working on a response to this issue. You can follow it through the link I left in the developers forums, or search for it.
Morkai Almandragon said:
With many devices, tethering is a huge boon, however you do not need root for that on this device. There are however quite a few apps that are handy, and require root...
Blueput (ps3 controller in development)
Titanium
Overclocking and Undervolting apps (very nice for battery life)
widgetlocker (lock screan customizations)
widgetsoid (custom pull down options)
and roms...
Think of roms like you would the OS of a PC. Being able to use these roms alows you to keep up with Googles updats, not just motorolas, as well as removing bloatware etc.
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I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
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From what I have heard, Moto will refuse to perform the 4G LTE upgrade IF YOU SEND THEM A NON-STOCK Xoom. That is, they don't want to deal with problems because you're sending them incompatible software. Seems reasonable to me.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.
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I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable. We are talking about a hardware upgrade. Nobody is asking them to touch the software.
If they don't want to install the drivers, that's fine - but they have no right to deny us the hardware we were promised at purchase due to software modification.[/QUOT
Um, imagine you flash something that makes it impossible for them to correctly batch upgrade your device. You're screwing up their process and costing them money, not to mention slowing down the process for other paying customers. How hard is it to backup your device??
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RadDudeTommy said:
I'm still a little confused. I know jailbreaking and rooting is different. But just for the sake of explaining myself, I jailbreak my iphone and get Cydia. Are these apps, specifically the ps3 controller, downloadable through the android market/ another market/ or right off the developers site?
Basically if I root my device, do I have to search the web for custom ROMS (I know none are available now, or at least any good one) or is there another market to search through like cydia?
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Apps that take advantage of root permissions are available through both the android market and from developers' websites. A perfect example of this is the SuperuserPermissions application. You can get it here (on XDA) or in the Market.
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EDIT: I know you can tether, but I am almost positive it is impossible to tether any android device to an ad hoc network. At least my Xoom will not see my ssid, and even trying to manually add this information, the Xoom will insist it can't see the router (or in this case my jailbroken 3gs from att). If I am wrong and it can be tethered to ad hoc networks without rooting PLEASE inform me how. Also if I am right and you can't, can someone please explain to me why not. Why would rooting your device allow you to connect? Why can't it without rooting? I know there is probably a reason behind it, but with the knowledge I have, I cannot come up with any good reason on why it just can't connect to the ad hoc network.
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I think you may be confused on the terminology here. With regard to tablets and phones, when we say we are "tethering" it means we use the device's 3G (or 4G) data connection to create an internet connection for another device (usually a Laptop or other mobile device). This connection can either be over USB, WiFi, and Bluetooth. USB, Bluetooth, and WiFi tethering are possible on the Xoom without root, although on other devices it previously required root (unless your device had a wireless hotspot option which your carrier charged you extra to use).
Heres a good link that explains Custom ROMs and Rooting.
And probably the most popular custom ROM is Cyanogen Mod.. heres a little blurb from their website.
CyanogenMod (pronounced sigh-AN-oh-jen-mod), is a customized, aftermarket firmware distribution for several Android devices (See above for supported devices & how to install CyanogenMod on said devices). Based on the Android Open Source Project, CyanogenMod is designed to increase performance and reliability over Android-based ROMs released by vendors and carriers such as Google, T-Mobile, HTC, etc. CyanogenMod also offers a variety features & enhancements that are not currently found in these versions of Android.
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Hopefully once Honeycomb's source is posted, they will take it and apply their "mods" and tweaks to it and release a new version for our tablet. (which is likely since it has an unlocked boot loader.)
Now regarding the 4G upgrade not being applied to rooted devices.. theres a easy work around. Once it comes time to send it to Moto, simply flash everything back to stock and relock the bootloader. Moto won't even be able to tell that anything has been done to it. Then once you get it back with its fancy new LTE radio installed, unlock the bootloader again and go ahead and re-root it.
While I wait for the arrival of my MXP I have some questions for the community so that I can hit the ground running. First thing, I'd like to unlock my boot loader but I was just curious if there is a way to re-lock it afterwards just in case I need to send in for repairs or something along those lines? Also wondering about VOLTE support. I see some roms that state they have it working but is this a stock feature or do I need to use a custom ROM to get VOLTE to function? Also is there any known method of rooting without unlocking the boot loader just in case re-locking it is not possible? Thanks for the help everyone.
I am coming from a g920a. That phone is torture for someone like me who likes stock Android and rooted devices. Probably the worst phone I have ever had. Can't wait to get my hands on my MXP and leaves this piece of junk behind!
I'm on Verizon and I can confirm it supports advanced calling, which is VoLTE as far as I know but it might require turning it on at the provider level.
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I haven't messed with VoLTE yet so I can't answer those questions, but as for your others: The bootloader can be relocked, but the unlock method involves submitting an unlock request code to motorola, and they immediately email you an unlock key, along with a warning about voiding your warranty, so even relocking it does not unvoid your warranty. HOWEVER, it only voids your warranty for software issues. If it's a hardware problem unrelated to the bootloader being unlocked, they'll still handle it, and accidental drops and things are still covered if you buy an accidental damage warrenty. Also, as far as I know there is still no way to root without unlocking the bootloader.
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Volte is only available on stock roms.
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I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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countryfolk07 said:
I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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Whoops, yeah I guess they fixed it down the line. Sorry, I've been enjoying stock+xposed too much to follow custom development.
Edit: also root without bootloader unlock will likely never happen. We have a root method already, so there's no incentive to find another method.
The answer you seek was right in the first page of this forum....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/moto-x-style-how-to-unlock-bootloader-t3192140
That being said, I would consider waiting until after Marshmallow drops before you unlock your bootloader so as not to interfere with any OTA's. Conventional wisdom is that it is coming within the next few weeks as the "test drive" has already started and a "soak test" should follow shortly.
yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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Well as to it being a thing, I certainly can't say for sure. But what reason is there to unlock the bootloader if you're not going to root? And once you do that, you almost certainly will not get OTA's. What am I missing? Is there another reason you are looking to unlock?
The one thing I don't know is if there a some type of a "tamper flag" that would require something like triangle away.
You don't think you could just do a fastboot oem lock?
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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I'd still recommend waiting at least a couple of weeks to see if Marshmallow shows up!
I'm coming to the MXPE from a OnePlus One which I have to say was one of the funnest phones I've ever owned. I wasiunlocked, rooted and flashing CM12.1 nightlies about twice a week.
I thought I would miss it, but so far so good on the MXPE without rooting. We'll have to see what happens after MM drops. I'd like to get it rooted, but I haven't done nearly the amount of modding you've done.
Good luck with your phone. I can honestly tell you it's a really nice device!
While its tempting to wait for marshmallow to show I cannot live without root any longer. I have already been without it for months because of this damn s6. I'm sure someone will upload the OTA as soon as it's available so I'll just flash it when the time comes.
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Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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Well if you're an xposed user you should root immediately with no concern about the 6.0 OTA, since xposed doesn't work on 6.0. I'm not moving to 6.0, myself, until xposed is released for it. I use xposed modules everyday and am not giving it up, not even for doze mode.
That's kinda how I am feeling as well. I can achieve similar results to doze with the xposed app amplify with enough tweaking so its not a big deal.
For many of us the thing that moved is to Android was just the shear ability to customize the crap out of your device. The ability to go one step further and install custom ROMs to further perfect your experience was also a huge plus.
However, these days I find the need to root my device become more of a hobbyist venture than something that actually makes my experience better. I'm curious to know who are the rooters and who are not? Does anyone still have any real purposes for rooting their device is it more of a "just because I can deal"
I am not rooting. Been there, done that. I know people will say well why get a nexus or Pixel if you aren't going to root?
I like stock android with fast updates.
I don't think its "more of a hobbyist venture than something that actually makes my experience better" when I've used root/xposed to wrangle stupid google play services wake locks.
But that said I'm not trying to lock myself out of safetynet anymore so, so long root (for the time being).
Ability to modify is biggest selling point of this device IMHO. Without it, this phone is bested by other phones in almost every category. Believe me, this phone is not like any of the other google inspired devices of the past. At only one point could nexus really compete with flagship devices. Without development the phone is good... maybe even really good... but with development this phone will be GRRREAT (in my best Tony the Tyger voice).
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Ability to modify is biggest selling point of this device IMHO. Without it, this phone is bested by other phones in almost every category. Believe me, this phone is not like any of the other google inspired devices of the past. At only one point could nexus really compete with flagship devices. Without development the phone is good... maybe even really good... but with development this phone will be GRRREAT (in my best Tony the Tyger voice).
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Well everyone has their opinions. I am just gonna disagree that the ability to modify is its biggest selling point. It's a small small small portion of the public who buys phones for this reason.
The Galaxy S7 is its biggest competition and the only objective thing people can say is better is the waterproofing.
Amen to that brother. Tired of all the issues and bugs and slow updates that come from rooting. Biggest reason that I went for the Pixel. That and tired of all the BS extra crapware added by the manufacturers and carriers. Pixel does not have that.
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HeCareth said:
Well everyone has their opinions. I am just gonna disagree that the ability to modify is its biggest selling point. It's a small small small portion of the public who buys phones for this reason.
The Galaxy S7 is its biggest competition and the only objective thing people can say is better is the waterproofing.
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Funny enough you say that. I saw a test recently where a Pixel was tested with full immersion in a bucket of water for 30 minutes and did fine. They did a second test for 45 minutes and then it started having a little problem with garbled sounds at times. But other than that it seems to be better sealed than they mark it as.
I'm the same as far as not really needing to root. In the past I'd mod the crap out of my phones, then it became a hassle. So then I'd just root for titanium backup and a couple other root apps and unlocked hotspot. Now with this phone, I find I don't even want to root. I like it the way it is
I keep an eye on the dev section to see if something pops up thatll make me want to root, but this time around im not as gung ho as I used to be. The only thing I really want is an unlocked hotspot. I NEVER have any luck with any of the hotspot/tether apps in the app store. If someone can get one of those apps working and let me know how they did it, id be eternally grateful. Or if there were a way to unlock hotspot without root, that would also be swell
its 100% on how you plan to use it. Stock experience is fantastic - the phone is fast as hell. Personally I always like to tweak everything about the phone so im rooting it (currently just miss snapchat) but I stayed on stock for a bit while I had it and it was still great. If you dont plan on tweaking the small things and dont want to deal with manually updating and possibly a soft brick or two, go for it and you wont regret.
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I'm the same as far as not really needing to root. In the past I'd mod the crap out of my phones, then it became a hassle. So then I'd just root for titanium backup and a couple other root apps and unlocked hotspot. Now with this phone, I find I don't even want to root. I like it the way it is
I keep an eye on the dev section to see if something pops up thatll make me want to root, but this time around im not as gung ho as I used to be. The only thing I really want is an unlocked hotspot. I NEVER have any luck with any of the hotspot/tether apps in the app store. If someone can get one of those apps working and let me know how they did it, id be eternally grateful. Or if there were a way to unlock hotspot without root, that would also be swell
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I hear you it is always a balance of do the tweaks outweigh the small hassles of rooting and modding. Before the answer was pretty clear. Now not so much.
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I hear you it is always a balance of do the tweaks outweigh the small hassles of rooting and modding. Before the answer was pretty clear. Now not so much.
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Exactly, and this phone is so freakin fast. I'm came off a galaxy S5 and the difference is night and day.
I also read somewhere that rooting has a good chance of breaking Android Pay, which I used for the first time the other day. It was lightning fast and was cool to try, so I'd hate to lose it
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Exactly, and this phone is so freakin fast. I'm came off a galaxy S5 and the difference is night and day.
I also read somewhere that rooting has a good chance of breaking Android Pay, which I used for the first time the other day. It was lightning fast and was cool to try, so I'd hate to lose it
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That's the biggest issue with rooting. Apps these days because of security issues are not allowing root. In addition to that even the best ROMs like Cyanogen still take forever to provide a stable OS update.
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That's the biggest issue with rooting. Apps these days because of security issues are not allowing root. In addition to that even the best ROMs like Cyanogen still take forever to provide a stable OS update.
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I thought I read there was a way around breaking it if you decide to root, but right now that's just one if those things I really don't even want to think about. Too many details for something that's not really important
I really want to root and ticker with my phone but I need my phone for running a business so I need a very stable phone. I really miss tinkering. I like supporting the XDA community by testing software but sadly my job requires my phone to be on its game.
I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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Try AdGuard, it requires you to use local vpn but it works well and does not require root. You will need to purchase the premium service if you want to block ads across apps outside of the browser.
Adaway!
I also used to ROM and mod the heck out of my phones. I really don't see the need with a pixel and nougat. I still find rooting necessary though due to the incredibly annoying and time consuming ads on web pages. I was pained with popups, pop unders, and all other manor of java script ads until root came.
That said, I also really like FiSwitch (it works better with root) and a few things from xposed (like forcing Google dictation or immersive screen with gestures and no buttons) but I've been fine without it.
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I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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Take a look at this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-dns66-source-host-ad-blocker-root-t3487497
I'm ditching an s7 edge and plan to stay stock on the Pixel. I prefer fluid UX over gimmicky Samsung features.
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Take a look at this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-dns66-source-host-ad-blocker-root-t3487497
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Better off going with AdGuard. This seems to have bugs with 7.0
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Better off going with AdGuard. This seems to have bugs with 7.0
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Not for me. I'm running it on two devices both with 7.1. It was just posted as an option if anyone wants to try it. I have no reason to argue the value of either app. Whichever one works best for you is the one you go with.
Even though I never owned one until now, I've been following the OnePlus models ever since the One was released. I've used CyanogenMod and LineageOS on my previous phones, all of which have been rooted mostly to block ads, remove carrier bloat, and to try custom ROMs.
I'm very surprised with OxygenOS and despite having the T-Mobile branded version I'm not sure I want to go through with rooting it. I'm currently network unlocked and awaiting my unlock token. I'm currently using Blockada to block ads. It works well for the most part but doesn't seem as good as AdAway. Aside being able to run AdAway with root, what other reasons should I do it?
As far as I can tell the only bloat on my phone right now is the T-Mobile app and the T-Mobile unlock app. Despite being network unlocked, the Unlock app remained and just got disabled however using adb shell and the pm uninstall command it looks like that was removed. The T-Mobile app is disabled so that's not too much of an issue for me. I don't use YouTube when signed in so the regular version of YouTube Vanced works fine for me now unrooted.
I had Magisk running on my Nexus 5 which allowed me to be rooted and did a great job passing the safetynet checks. Does Magisk still do that effectively on the OP6T?
I'm thinking of not rooting anymore though I am interested in installing the non-Tmobile-branded OxygenOS. I've seen all the threads however it's difficult to read through hundreds of pages of posts. Will I be able to still get OTA updates from One plus, or at least be able to download and then manually install? Is the "International OOS version" the non-TMobile branded OS? I'm not a huge user of wifi calling, though I like having the option for areas with poor reception. Do I lose that when I get rid of the T-Mobile branded OOS?
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
@bassic
Long story short, it's stupid simple to convert. PM me when you have your unlock token and I'll walk you through it. I was extremely nervous at first, but it was honestly a breeze and updating to every released version of OOS was also worry-free. If you want, I'm on Telegram. Same username as here.
I'm on the TMO variant as well, and as far as I can tell the only reason to root is to convert to the international firmware. Out of that, there is no reason for root.
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For me I root because Google is being an asshole by restricting more and more apps that worked perfectly on Oreo. So now that we're on Pie I was actually forced to root in order to enjoy my phone fully. Swift is a big deal for me and I need it so I rooted. Now I can resume to apply my own themes to my apps (and system apps).
With root access I have call recording back. Another ability Google killed on Pie. Titanium Backup was also something I was missing. Being able to DELETE, not disable, ANY app that I want from my phone is just lovely.
I wish I could root but oh no they had to add more steps to do so... Unlock tokens? Seriously lol..... If I could root it would be viper4android for sure probably the best mod I've used since note 3
bassic said:
Even though I never owned one until now, I've been following the OnePlus models ever since the One was released. I've used CyanogenMod and LineageOS on my previous phones, all of which have been rooted mostly to block ads, remove carrier bloat, and to try custom ROMs.
I'm very surprised with OxygenOS and despite having the T-Mobile branded version I'm not sure I want to go through with rooting it. I'm currently network unlocked and awaiting my unlock token. I'm currently using Blockada to block ads. It works well for the most part but doesn't seem as good as AdAway. Aside being able to run AdAway with root, what other reasons should I do it?
As far as I can tell the only bloat on my phone right now is the T-Mobile app and the T-Mobile unlock app. Despite being network unlocked, the Unlock app remained and just got disabled however using adb shell and the pm uninstall command it looks like that was removed. The T-Mobile app is disabled so that's not too much of an issue for me. I don't use YouTube when signed in so the regular version of YouTube Vanced works fine for me now unrooted.
I had Magisk running on my Nexus 5 which allowed me to be rooted and did a great job passing the safetynet checks. Does Magisk still do that effectively on the OP6T?
I'm thinking of not rooting anymore though I am interested in installing the non-Tmobile-branded OxygenOS. I've seen all the threads however it's difficult to read through hundreds of pages of posts. Will I be able to still get OTA updates from One plus, or at least be able to download and then manually install? Is the "International OOS version" the non-TMobile branded OS? I'm not a huge user of wifi calling, though I like having the option for areas with poor reception. Do I lose that when I get rid of the T-Mobile branded OOS?
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A post wouldn't do rooting justice.
I've rooted more phones over the last 25 years than 99% of anyone posting here, and, the truth is, this phone doesnt NEED to be rooted; but, its nice that you can if you feel you must..I havent rooted this phone yet, even though I have had my "token" for weeks now, because, aside from missing Viper and substratum, there is nothing that rooting will enhance for me..
And, If you need to be talked into why you should root this phone, or any other phone, then I would say you dont need to root it..
moodloid said:
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
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I sort of agree with all of that, I would root because of all those things and the Stereo speaker mod...
however, I can't be bothered with the instability it brings, the apps that don't work (banking and TV apps in the UK) the lags, the pauses, the stalls, the crashes, the red text that tells you it's been tampered with....etc...etc...
I can do what I want without rooting on this phone, the black theme and being able to get rid of text on icons.
And Oxygen OS is so super fast and stable.
So for those reasons I am not rooting this phone!!!
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My primary reason for probably rooting mine as soon as it pulls 9.0.10 down (still waiting, here in US, stuck on .7) is to be able to backup and restore apps and their data at will. I don't understand why Google hasn't made this a standard functionality. I mean for gosh sakes, how hard would it be?
I unwrapped mine yesterday and wasn't planning on transferring my flag to it (from my rooted 3T) yet, but one thing led to another and here I am. I was able to get some stuff over via Google, some stuff via OnePlust switch, and some things via their own clouds, and other things manually set up. So if I bootloader unlock and root I have to re-set-it-up of course. I have Titanium backups in the cloud of everything on my 3T as of 9 am yesterday so restoring onto a rooted phone is no big problem.
For the record on my 3T I had no problems with instability due to rooting, and banking and streaming apps worked fine under Magisk.
eskimosound said:
I sort of agree with all of that, I would root because of all those things and the Stereo speaker mod...
however, I can't be bothered with the instability it brings, the apps that don't work (banking and TV apps in the UK) the lags, the pauses, the stalls, the crashes, the red text that tells you it's been tampered with....etc...etc...
I can do what I want without rooting on this phone, the black theme and being able to get rid of text on icons.
And Oxygen OS is so super fast and stable.
So for those reasons I am not rooting this phone!!!
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Lags, crashes because of just rooting? That's unheard of...
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Lags, crashes because of just rooting? That's unheard of...
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I come from years of rooting HTC phones and they all lagged and randomly crashed after rooting.
Fact not fiction and certainly heard of, Google is your friend.
yep, rooting can definitely cause all of those problems, and, at the same time, rooting can allow you to do things that fix all those problems, so, as with everything else electronic/hi tech, someone may have a different experience than someone else..
in the past, many folks rooted to get rid of bloat, and speed up their phones; with this phone, neither of those things apply, so performance wise, rooting wont do much to make this phone "faster"..
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I've rooted more phones over the last 25 years than 99% of anyone posting here, and, the truth is, this phone doesnt NEED to be rooted; but, its nice that you can if you feel you must..I havent rooted this phone yet, even though I have had my "token" for weeks now, because, aside from missing Viper and substratum, there is nothing that rooting will enhance for me..
And, If you need to be talked into why you should root this phone, or any other phone, then I would say you dont need to root it..
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Thanks! That's what I'm looking for. I've done my share of rooting and have tried countless ROMs over the years from way back on my HTC EVO which got me started with Android. I typically rooted to remove carrier bloat, change themes, speed things up, etc. Then I discovered the Nexus devices which I fell in love with. There wasn't any bloat to remove but I did need to modify my hosts file. When HD streaming became an issue, Magisk fixed all that for me. When the Nexus line was replaced by the Pixel, it came along with flagship phone pricing which turned me away. Thankfully OnePlus is still available and making great phones. I don't need the stereo speaker mod since headphones (with the @#$%& USB-C adapter!) are sufficient so really I don't have much of a reason to root. On all my previous devices I didn't like the fact that a bunch of apps were always running in the background and phoning home when they had no business doing so, and I had Greenify configured to keep them all quiet. With the battery management and background data restriction options on the OP6T, I've effectively achieved the same functionality without needing to root.
It still bugs me that the disabled T-Mobile app is still present, and I'm not a huge fan of the branded phone with boot animation, but I'm very happy with this phone and Oxygen OS and I don't have any compelling reason to root right now. There's no bloat outside of the T-mobile stuff, the phone is blazing fast, and it just works. I think I answered my question and I'm OK with not rooting.
I am interested in flashing the non-T-Mobile-branded OxygenOS version to remove the branding and to get system updates from OnePlus faster than from T-Mobile, however I have a bunch of settings that took me a while to adjust to my liking and I really don't feel like re-doing all of that. Are there any recommended utilities that would be able to conveniently restore all of my apps and individual settings after flashing the unbranded OS?
I've already made a post about rooting and the 6T but since no one searches and everyone has to be a thread starter I'll clear up a few misconceptions...
moodloid said:
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
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1.) Doesn't require root
2.) Doesn't require root
3.) Nice to have and missed but given my personal usage (as I have much better devices to listen to audio on it's not a deal breaker)
4.) Phone has good enough performance and battery life not necessary but whatever floats a user's boat.
5.) Yes need root but fall back to #4
roaduardo said:
With root access I have call recording back. Another ability Google killed on Pie. Titanium Backup was also something I was missing. Being able to DELETE, not disable, ANY app that I want from my phone is just lovely.
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Call recording can be added on a non-rooted phone (jOnePlus Tools in Play Store) as I have it and it restores automatically on every reboot. Deleting vs disabling you don't gain any free space on your DATA partition so not a big deal to me. I will agree that Titanium Backup yes sorely missed.
wase4711 said:
I've rooted more phones over the last 25 years than 99% of anyone posting here, and, the truth is, this phone doesnt NEED to be rooted; but, its nice that you can if you feel you must..I havent rooted this phone yet, even though I have had my "token" for weeks now, because, aside from missing Viper and substratum, there is nothing that rooting will enhance for me..
And, If you need to be talked into why you should root this phone, or any other phone, then I would say you dont need to root it..
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Exactly.
What you will miss with root (if you use said apps) is DRM L1 Windvine encryption. I'm a subscriber to YouTube TV (users of Netflix & Amazon Video will suffer same issues) and you get 720x480 instead of 1280x720 or 1920x1080. The resolution is not a big deal given it's roughly a 6" screen but dropping from 60 FPS to 30 FPS is a disaster for sports and I will not compromise on that one.
Once the bootloader is unlocked you drop to L3. To go back to L1 it's relock of bootloader which means bye-bye root.
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Call recording can be added on a non-rooted phone as I have it and it restores automatically on every reboot.
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Via what method and on Pie?
roaduardo said:
Via what method and on Pie?
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I edited my above post.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.jroot3d.joneplustools&hl=en_US
Install that, jump start the app once on a computer (it'll give you directions when you launch the app) and that's it. Enjoy call recording no Magisk modules nor root required. I'm on international 256GB model 9.0.10 no problem.
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I edited my above post.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.jroot3d.joneplustools&hl=en_US
Install that, jump start the app once on a computer (it'll give you directions when you launch the app) and that's it. Enjoy call recording no Magisk modules nor root required. I'm on international 256GB model 9.0.10 no problem.
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Well that's neat. 6T users who don't wanna root should know about this app. Thanks for sharing!
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moodloid said:
Reasons For Rooting:
1) Youtube Vanced (Sign-in is a thing for me )
2) Adaway (In my opinion it's far better than blokada)
3) ViPER4Android (for superior speaker experience)
4) Customizing 3-rd party Kernels to fit your needs (underclock,overclock etc.)
5) Getting custom animations (such as McLaren fingerprint animation) and stuff like that.
I've been updating OOS with no problems. I really don't see a reason why someone would not root their OP6T.
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Can we not get the Youtube Vanced with sign in without root? Used to have that on my Note 8 without any root. Could you explain this please?
I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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If I was going to use the tablet myself, I'd certainly flash a custom ROM and get root access. But for a 12yr old girl, I'd stay with stock and know she'd be getting the latest security updates. It's not like this was an 8 or 16gb tablet where getting rid of bloatware would be a major concern. It has plenty of storage and RAM to handle that. Just my two bits.
I only hand my son tablets / phones that can run custom ROMs (Lineage in particular). This way I can control what goes on them, what software, what he sees. I guess you could do similar things with a rooted stock device, but still. The other half of that is, most of the devices I give my son are old enough they aren't getting security updates from the manufacturers anymore. In those cases the only way to get security updates of any sort is to run custom ROMs.
Having rooted my tablet and also installed twrp I would certainly not do it for someone else to use
I would suggest buying package disabler pro and disabling all bloatware and Bixby.
When you use 'disable bloatware' on package disabler, it disables storage on sd card. So you just need to look through the disabled list and re-enable external storage.
Other than that small bug it is excellent.
ExTall said:
Having rooted my tablet and also installed twrp I would certainly not do it for someone else to use
I would suggest buying package disabler pro and disabling all bloatware and Bixby.
When you use 'disable bloatware' on package disabler, it disables storage on sd card. So you just need to look through the disabled list and re-enable external storage.
Other than that small bug it is excellent.
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Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
miangelgabriel said:
Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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I can't really say as I installed package disabler pro when I first had the tablet as I hate apps like bixby.
My tablet has always seemed plenty fast to me
Regards Extall
Not much bloatware on One UI.
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Have you noticed a performance improvement? I see that it is slow for ordinary use such as social networks, the web and reading books.
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I have read books with $29 dollar chinese knockoffs. How long does it take to turn a page? My very first tablet had an Antutu of about 900. This one about 185,000. I was still able to "surf the net" with that first one. They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm beginning to doubt that. I think it is in the MIND of the beholder. How anyone can consider this tablet slow for surfing or social networking, just blows my mind. "OH, but my latest and greatest iPad is just SOOO much better."
I can't remember having an Android device since my OG Droid that I didn't root and flash. I'm going to skip that for this S5e, for the first time. Everything I do with it these days, my head isn't bumping into it's 'ceiling', so to speak. My SM-T580 was a different story (thank goodness for @followmsi and @srgrussso among others), and custom paid off very well.
Then again, maybe I'm just getting old.:laugh: :highfive:
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I'm hoping someone can give me the general consensus on whether flashing ROMS for this device vs staying on stock is best. I'm not currently up on the state of Samsung bloatware, if it's gotten better or worse. I found an open box at BB for $300. I'd say excellent condition. I'm getting it for my 12 year old daughter. I suppose the main concern is the general stability of flashing, say Lineage, and the lag that Samsung has, or at least used to have, as they age.
Thanks much!
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I have the Verizon LTE version and even with the Verizon preinstalled apps it doesn't take up a lot of space. I have the 64GB version and I had PLENTY of space for all of my apps. I put a 512GB microSD card in it so I don't have any space issues.
I rooted the SM-T725 few months ago when i got it but this was the 3rd time i had problems booting up and the twrp backup didn't work this time so i just cleaned it and i use stock now and i removed bloatware with ADB. I use only open source software no more google. But that just my way, if you want to root go with it but if its just to remove bloatware just use ADB.
Android 10 coming this june/july and probably android 11 will come to this tablet too because samsung does 2 major android updates to the device they release. If they don't you can unlock the bootloader and install android 11 in the future if a developer make it of course but i doubt it because galaxy tab s6 lite is coming soon so i don't know the future of this tablet.
S5e
OhioYJ said:
I only hand my son tablets / phones that can run custom ROMs (Lineage in particular). This way I can control what goes on them, what software, what he sees. I guess you could do similar things with a rooted stock device, but still. The other half of that is, most of the devices I give my son are old enough they aren't getting security updates from the manufacturers anymore. In those cases the only way to get security updates of any sort is to run custom ROMs.
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Just got this SM-T720 & was planning on putting Lineage 17.1 (OFFICIAL) on it.
Got the firmware, Magisk, TWRP all downloaded.
But on TWRP's site it says you have to root before installing a "rooted TWRP" image?
What's with this?
Not asking for a full tutorial but seriously TWRP can't just be flashed in Odin then vbmeta multi-
disabler, WIPE, then flash ROM + Magisk?
Any help will be greatly appreciated. My posts elsewhere are days old & no replies....
zach
I just got this tablet yesterday. I've had several previous Android tablets and phones and I've always rooted them. So far, I haven't run into anything that makes me want to root this one. I was pleasantly surprised to find that there is a battery protection setting that allows you to limit charging to 85%. Normally, you have too root to do that. I may find a need to root somewhere down the road, but right now I'm hoping to get by with stock and unroofed.
Can you keep dex on other ROMs?
coolbeans2016 said:
Just got this SM-T720 & was planning on putting Lineage 17.1 (OFFICIAL) on it.
Got the firmware, Magisk, TWRP all downloaded
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I've done it a few times and I would recommend following the maintainers instructions, LuK1337's Instructions . Dont skip anything, dont add anything, dont wipe anything that isnt listed, follow them exactly.
This tablet is picky. Magisk can be flashed in TWRP, but from what Ive found many modules can't, they will make the tablet fail to boot. Most modules can only be flashed in Magisk. My recommendation would be to get it booting before adding modules or even Magisk for that matter.
I'm using mine as stock, and this seems plenty fast for the 2 weeks I've owned it. Slow to read books? That sounds like an app problem - moon reader on a 2018 Fire HD 8 didn't have a problem reading books. How slow is the Fire 8? If I was in plex, hit the home button, and started netflix it was about 10 seconds from the press of the home button until netflix was responsive.
Besides, do you really want to have to fix your kid's devices when they inevitably have a problem?
**Edit** I also have a question. Are there any security issues when flashing roms or rooting on this like with the phones with KNoX and not being able to use secure folder and such? Im guessing if I flash a ROM I'd also be losing access to this right? (samsung apps and secure folder) Thank you!
Ughh Im kind of regretting buying this tablet now..did I make a mistake? From what Ive seen on here, it sounds like its best not to root it. Ive found that on some newer devices, irts best not to root them to avoid unnecessary problems because some just dont work well with root and magisk, especially if a lot of the modules arent going to work. I mean I dont really have any reason to root this except for not being able to use / change the themes. I cant believe they dont have the theme store on this tablet! I'm so bummed thats one of the good things about samsung phone that I miss.