I'm in the market for an Android head unit, but most reviews and posts are from people who have had problems. It would be helpful if people who have had good experiences with their units could let us know what they like and what units they chose. There are numerous complaints about lots of different tech from phones and tablets to washing machines. I know from experience that this can give a really lopsided view of a device or brand that isn't always accurate.
Like most people I would like an all singing, all dancing car radio (dab, sat nav, bluetooth hands-free), but can't justify lashing out loads of money on the big names. So what brands and models are actually worth taking a punt on. Surely all generic, Android units can't be bad?
I'd certainly appreciate hearing about the success stories.
Thank you.
@Rottgrub can you tell me what canbus adapter you used to make dasaita compatible with fender system ?
Recently bought a Owtosin PX6 720p head unit from AliExpress. While it's an not too bad I wished I would have bought an head unit from a well known manufacturer and a "real" seller.
The best system for a head unit is in my opinion Apple CarPlay. It's also more supported with updates then Android Auto. But an Sony/Kenwood/Pioneer or other known brand with Android Auto would probably been a better choice than this Chinese Android head unit.
Listing all pros and cons would be a really long post so I will try to do a shorter summary.
Support / warranty is almost non existing as soon as it's not possible to make a complaint to AliExpress anymore.
There is a lot of small and bigger bugs that can be frustrating and irritating, and they will probably never get fixed.
Handsfree sound quality is quite bad, both ways.
Reverse cam is unreliable.
Fading setting is not possible if you use your cars oem amplifier.
When using Android Auto (USB connection) the phone will draw more power than the head unit will provide. The fast charging USB port is not compatible with Android Auto.
No automatic brightness! On max brightness it's a little to dark a sunny day but way too bright on evenings and nights.
And more things that's irritating you almost every day.
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Google Speech Recognition works not to bad even with laud background music so I hope it will work when driving.
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may i ask which units are capable of speech recognition and how to enable it (i have a Pumpkin PX5 CSN2)?
just in case my unit already has it, does it work without an internet connection? What can i do with it?
For the 300 Euros I paid mine is not to bad, even I haven't installed it in the car yet, but test it in my "lab", but hopefully it will fit, wiring problems I can solve sooner or later.
I bought it wanting the flexibility of an computer and know there is more to fiddle with for that.
Wanting that flexibility I'm most disappointed with the limited options for configuration.
E.g. mine switches of with Ignition off and there is no option to change that, like asking or after 30 min of inactivity, it should even not be a problem to monitor the Voltage and warn and switch off when the Battery gets low.
There seems to be no open interface to the CAN-Bus and so there are only few apps for advanced car control hacked somehow.
There also seem to be no proper official firmware support / update websites.
I only have my unit and be in the topic for one week now and looks like I have to invest more time to get it working the way I like.
Google Speech Recognition works not to bad even with laud background music so I hope it will work when driving.
Unfortunately Google Speech Recognition still misses some essential features like correcting if it doesn't understand spell, by nato alphabet, I say again.., correction... You can start a song by play singerxyz songxyz but you can't stop the music music stop, stop playing, I tryed a lot.
Radio receiving with some old wire only is quite good also the sound with some speakers I found somewhere for testing.
Some thoughts after owning a Joying JY-VM130N2D for a few weeks (installed in a Golf mk6):
Sound quality is at least as good as the original device (RCD310 in my case).
FM Radio app works ok.
IGo navigation and GPS works fine.
Interacts well with the cars air condition unit, i.e. a display pops up when temps, fanspeed etc. changes.
Car info works well except handbrake alert which seems to have an inverted logic.
The apps I use for music etc. works fine (Spotify, Netflix). Basically it is a working tablet in my car. Browsing the web is a bit slow.
Drawbacks:
There is no proper documentation with the unit. I especially miss explanation of the settings in the "Car settings" menus.
Dab+ reception with the supplied antenna (and DAB+ dongle) is really poor..
The supplied Dab+ app is very basic.
The supplied Bluetooth app is missing lots of functionality (imported contacts with multiple phone numbers only shows the first number, no favorites category, etc, etc).
But the really annoying drawbacks (In my opinion) are these:
Screen brightness is too high in darkness. You can work around this by installing e.g. LUX lite, but this means you have to run that program and manually adjust the brightness when needed.
The unit sometimes reboots when turning on the ignition (instead of waking up from sleep mode). There is no logic to when it boots and when it wakes from sleep. When it reboots you will have to restart any apps you had running the last time.
If I power off the unit (by pressing the power button for a few seconds) it will power off, however it does not "remember" this state the next time I start the car but pops to life with the volume and apps I had going before. This behavior is almost killing my wife...
I see some big security issues if you log on services like mail, goolge play etc. and the car/unit is stolen...
I am actually happy with my Ownice c500 Octacore
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I've owned four different units (Ownice C500, Joying SOFIA, Umecity, and Dasaita PX5), and I have to say that they are all decent units. Each has areas where they are very good, and areas where they are quirky. I think being happy is really going to depend on your individual expectations.
For me, I needed something both compatible with my car's Fender Amplifier, and that had instant-on backup camera functionality. The Dasaita PX5 was the only unit that gave me that. Everything else was gravy.
I play all of my media through Android applications (PowerAMP, XIIA, Google Music, Audible, etc). I handle my calls through Hangouts Dialer, and Google Voice directly on the head unit. I don't use Bluetooth at all, since it's both buggy on these units, and sounds crap even when it works properly. That means I don't bother trying to piggy back anything off my phone (Android Auto, etc), and therefore don't have to worry about any radio/phone compatibility issues.
All in all, I'm quite happy with the Dasaita V600 PX5 unit I have now. Works great without a lot of fussing with it.
I am on my 4th chinese unit. 2 with WinCE, 1 Witson dual core with android 4.4.2 and a Joying Intel Sofia (not the latest version with the fancy AMP) with android 6.
Out of the box they do work but all of there were far from ok.... at least for me. The Android ones were the ones that could be improved via software so I spend a lot of time making them work as best as possible. If you want to have a good Chinese Android headunit you need to mod them and you need to learn how to do it.... and you need to perform a lot of testing.... so overall you can have a good, stable, functional unit but you need to put in a lot of work.
Right now I am happy with my Joying.... it still has a few bugs that I hope someone will address them eventually...
After reading a lot on XDA I came to the conclusion that right now Joying is the way to go... there isn't a better alternative... at least for now...
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I am actually happy with my Ownice c500
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Is it a quad or a octa core?
What for cpu brand is that quad core MT3561 and the octa core MT3562? It seems nobody knows who produce this cpu's.
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If you want to have a good Chinese Android headunit you need to mod them and you need to learn how to do it.... and you need to perform a lot of testing.... so overall you can have a good, stable, functional unit but you need to put in a lot of work.
Right now I am happy with my Joying.... it still has a few bugs that I hope someone will address them eventually...
After reading a lot on XDA I came to the conclusion that right now Joying is the way to go... there isn't a better alternative... at least for now...
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If you go for a Sofia 3GR unit, go for the Joying. As @edit mentions you still need to put quite some effort in it, but that's also due to the relatively new 6.0.1 android. I guess we will see a few more firmware updates before development slows down. Once it is stable you make the final changes and you do not need to touch it for a very long time and have a solid, rock-stable unit (maybe still with some quirks).
Sofia 3GR will be a dead platform "some time in the future" as the chipset is no longer actively developed.
Joying did show a 7.1 Android version video on Youtube and their site, but on one of their old PX3 models. My personal guess is that we will not see it on Sofia 3GR (but I have been wrong before and hope I'm now as well.)
Or you go for a PX5 MTCD. Choose a brand, not a "no-name" unit. Not because that guarantees a better unit, but hopefully (slightly) better support in case you need it.
Malaysk is a very active modder who created a nice Custom ROM for the PX5. PX5 will be expanding the coming months, whether you consider it a real improvement or not.
Don't go for an "old" PX3 even though they come already with Android 7.1. The PX3 is too old and slow, having not enough memory making it even slower.
But in the end you judge for yourself.
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Is it a quad or a octa core?
What for cpu brand is that quad core MT3561 and the octa core MT3562? It seems nobody knows who produce this cpu's.
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It's Octa. I can't look for a while.
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I don't agree that you have to do extensive modding to have a decently working Android radio, though it does seem to apply to the Joying Intel units. I felt that this platform was very solid under 5.1.1, with a few simple scripts to add optional functionality or root. It's only been since the unstable release of 6.0.1 that it requires a lot of manual patching and maintenance.
So far, the Dasaita (Hotaudio) PX5 has regular firmware updates that actually seem to address problems that the community finds. Aside from updates, I've chosen to root, and remove what I felt is a questionable apk. Neither were game changing alterations, or even necessary.
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I don't agree that you have to do extensive modding to have a decently working Android radio, though it does seem to apply to the Joying Intel units.
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I did say that, but there are indeed a lot of users who don't do any modding at all and enjoy their Joying as a good unit. The point is maybe that some users want to do more with those units where they were not designed for.
Joying has released 5 official 6.0.1 ROM firmwares so far and at least one intermediate version that was delivered with their units between releases.
The last 2 versions still have some bugs but are generally good and stable: no modding necessary.
Real issues are:
the main "all connecting" server apk limits the use of navigation apps. I have mentioned that a dozen times but they don't seem to want to understand. (several mods available)
Another issue is that they do not allow USB-UVC cameras apart from their own cameras. It is hardcoded into the kernel.
Their bluetooth connection is also crippled in that they only allow phones and odbd plugs to connect (mod available)
Finally: RDS functions in the radio app are crippled. RDS-RT is hardly working. RDS-AF is completely incorrect implemented (seem to be general to chinese radio apps).
2nd and 3rd are not bugs but deliberately programmed limitations to promote sales of their own accessories.
But if you only use Google Maps or iGo, your phone over BT, and no accessories, you have a good working unit. Of course not having RDS AF in Europe sucks. I know Asia and USA don't care about that as they don't know/have the immensely dense populated and fragmented frequencies in those many small regions per country with other frequencies per region.
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I don't agree that you have to do extensive modding to have a decently working Android radio, though it does seem to apply to the Joying Intel units. I felt that this platform was very solid under 5.1.1, with a few simple scripts to add optional functionality or root. It's only been since the unstable release of 6.0.1 that it requires a lot of manual patching and maintenance.
So far, the Dasaita (Hotaudio) PX5 has regular firmware updates that actually seem to address problems that the community finds. Aside from updates, I've chosen to root, and remove what I felt is a questionable apk. Neither were game changing alterations, or even necessary.
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If you want to make the best of your unit, you need to put in the work. Think that these units are bought by a lot more people than the ones that come in here... most don't have a clue about programming, adb, dos commands, scripts, permissions, folders, root. Let me explain a bit more :
1. Intel Sofia and PX5 - Because the default EQ is poor if not rubbish for many you need to install in a custom way not the way people are used to the Viper4Android that is one of the best if not the best software EQ solution to enhance the sound quality of the units (especially on the bass side of things). To be able to install the Viper4Android you need to root the unit and it's another thing that it's not for everyone.... so you need to learn how to do it...
2. out of the box you can BT tether on the Intel Sofia... again... you need to read, find the proper software, learn how to use the root explorer, make folders, copy, give permissions, setup, test it... again... it's not for everyone.
3. because the default music players are very poor in features and known formats you need to find the apps that offer you the best experience... not that complicated but involves a lot of testing and it's time consuming
4. out of the box the Intel Sofia kills all the apps on shutdown so every time you start the unit you need to start the apps, in some cases load the playlist and make sure it does not start each day with the same song... time consuming.
to fix it you need to install a mod... involves ADB, dos commands... again... not very complicated but not a piece of cake either for the vast majority...
5. you need to redefine what hard buttons do, what apps they launch.... you need to mod a script... this is very complicated to learn if you are not into programming... again... lots of work till you figure out but most will skip this one
6. your unit overheats and you need to mod it with proper heatsink, fan... involves a tiny bit of electronics, some basic cooling knowledge... again... not for everyone and involves time to study
I can put in a lot more but I think It's enough for everyone to figure out what means work. Yes, I guess some could live with the poor default EQ, some could live without the automated BT tethering and toggle an phone Wi-FI hotspot each time they get into the car till they get sick of it, some could live starting the apps day after day because the Sofia Server kills then every time till they get sick of it... BUT if you want to have a great unit with all the possible problems removed... you NEED to put in the work, search, read, study, learn, ask, mod.
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If you want to make the best of your unit, you need to put in the work. Think that these units are bought by a lot more people than the ones that come in here... most don't have a clue about programming, adb, dos commands, scripts, permissions, folders, root. Let me explain a bit more :
1. Intel Sofia and PX5 - Because the default EQ is poor if not rubbish for many you need to install in a custom way not the way people are used to the Viper4Android that is one of the best if not the best software EQ solution to enhance the sound quality of the units (especially on the bass side of things). To be able to install the Viper4Android you need to root the unit and it's another thing that it's not for everyone.... so you need to learn how to do it...
2. out of the box you can BT tether on the Intel Sofia... again... you need to read, find the proper software, learn how to use the root explorer, make folders, copy, give permissions, setup, test it... again... it's not for everyone.
3. because the default music players are very poor in features and known formats you need to find the apps that offer you the best experience... not that complicated but involves a lot of testing and it's time consuming
4. out of the box the Intel Sofia kills all the apps on shutdown so every time you start the unit you need to start the apps, in some cases load the playlist and make sure it does not start each day with the same song... time consuming.
to fix it you need to install a mod... involves ADB, dos commands... again... not very complicated but not a piece of cake either for the vast majority...
5. you need to redefine what hard buttons do, what apps they launch.... you need to mod a script... this is very complicated to learn if you are not into programming... again... lots of work till you figure out but most will skip this one
6. your unit overheats and you need to mod it with proper heatsink, fan... involves a tiny bit of electronics, some basic cooling knowledge... again... not for everyone and involves time to study
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I don't disagree. There is a lot that can be done with these units. I'm sure it's the main reason that we are all here. =) Having owned four of these current units, I just feel that there are solutions out there for most people that don't entail a lot of configuration. Again, it really depends on your individual needs. I hate to scare people off, thinking that all of these mods are required, when they really aren't for most people.
Responding to your points:
1: Since my car has an OEM amp, I think I may not hear some of the problems that a lot of users encounter with the EQ. With the VW Fender amplifier, the audio with both the Joying and Dasaita has been clean and strong. The basic EQs were sufficient to produce great sounding audio. I imagine that if you are relying on the various built-in amplifier chips, then this may be a vastly different experience.
2: It's cool that Joying made the BT stack available to Android, but I kinda feel like even at the best of times, Bluetooth is... not great. =) It's designed as a low bandwidth protocol, so pushing hi-def music, or other streaming data across it just doesn't seem worth the effort.
3: Definitely agree that the default apps are junk. That said, playing with all the different apps on the Play Store is half the fun with these units.
4: I'm really not sure why Joying uses these kill scripts. Android is built from the ground up to handle power management and deep sleep. That said, there are workarounds. For instance, Automate launcher can reload your media app, even after a full power outage. Either that, or use a different vendor.
5: There is an app for this on Dasaita units. I haven't played with it much, but it seems to work well enough. Can map both short and long presses of the SWC buttons, and panel buttons.
6: Haven't had any overheats on any of the units I've been using, but can see this being potentially being an issue even with big name commercial units.
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I can put in a lot more but I think It's enough for everyone to figure out what means work. Yes, I guess some could live with the poor default EQ, some could live without the automated BT tethering and toggle an phone Wi-FI hotspot each time they get into the car till they get sick of it, some could live starting the apps day after day because the Sofia Server kills then every time till they get sick of it... BUT if you want to have a great unit with all the possible problems removed... you NEED to put in the work, search, read, study, learn, ask, mod.
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These sound like really annoying problems, I feel kinda bad since I don't really encounter them. =) EQ issues aren't evident with my OEM amplifier. I don't like the audio quality over Bluetooth, so I don't use it. My Mobley hotspot starts with my car, and my calls go through Google Voice. I haven't noticed my apps being killed when I leave the car, so no issue with that either.
I have had mine for just under a year now, and I enjoy mine very much. It is a huge upgrade on the stock head unit (MP3CD), but that is not to say that it has been plug and play. It takes quite a bit of tweaking to get it how you like it. Support is patchy at best (apart from on XDA ofc!). The system is locked down to a certain degree, sometimes with odd choices (looking at you Bluetooth connection!).
I would def recmnd looking at rooting and cfw.
Certain things are frustrating (trying to get Tomtom to work, although that is more TomTom's fault), and the HU can be inconsistent in how it operates.
But.... when it all works, and you find the software that suits you, it is a pleasure to use. The good most certainly outweighs the bad.
So, am I happy with mine? Yes! Has it been easy? No, but the result feels better because I had to work for it, and now have a better understanding of what is underneath!
If you are tech savvy and not afraid of getting your hands dirty getting it to work, I would highly recmnd one!
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I did say that, but there are indeed a lot of users who don't do any modding at all and enjoy their Joying as a good unit. The point is maybe that some users want to do more with those units where they were not designed for.
Joying has released 5 official 6.0.1 ROM firmwares so far and at least one intermediate version that was delivered with their units between releases.
The last 2 versions still have some bugs but are generally good and stable: no modding necessary.
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I'm very glad to hear that Joying is finally releasing stable 6.0.1 updates. The instability of Marshmallow was one of several deciding factors for me selling the unit. Others were lack of Fender amp support, and my wife complaining about the lack of volume buttons on the 9" bezel.
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Of course not having RDS AF in Europe sucks. I know Asia and USA don't care about that as they don't know/have the immensely dense populated and fragmented frequencies in those many small regions per country with other frequencies per region.
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Be happy that you have radio worth listening to in Europe. =) In the US, most radio stations are so commercialized that it's not worth it. 10-15 minutes crappy, corporate sponsored and approved "music", 20 minutes of commercials at twice the volume, and then another 5-10 minutes of dumb shock jocks. Bleh... pass.
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I don't disagree. There is a lot that can be done with these units. I'm sure it's the main reason that we are all here. =) Having owned four of these current units, I just feel that there are solutions out there for most people that don't entail a lot of configuration. Again, it really depends on your individual needs. I hate to scare people off, thinking that all of these mods are required, when they really aren't for most people.
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I want people to know the truth so I rather scare them a little then painting a pretty picture on how simple it is to mod this units, especially for people that lack the IT background.
Responding to your points also
1. My car does not have an amplif but has good speakers, above average. I was mainly disappointed with the bass these (android based) units put out... Viper was the only EQ app that made the sound a lot better... a lot closer to the original car headunit that had very good sound quality output.
2: I think you misunderstood me a bit here. When I was referring to BT tethering I was referring to connecting the headunit to the internet via bluetooth. I like this method because it drains a lot less battery from my phone, it's automated (each time the phone connects to the unit, you have data).
Wi-Fi is a lot faster, I know, but I found bluetooth tethering speeds to be quite decent for for Waze/Google Maps data and streaming some music, podcasts or radio.
5. An app would have made things a lot better but unfortunately we don't have skilled people willing to write such an app... and the only way you can do it is to modify a script... Script that took me quite some time to figure out because I have zero programming skills... but took it as a challenge and with a lot of hard work I managed in the end to customise it to my liking.
6. I alot of people did not know that the MTCD units (octa core) overheat also because many could not read the CPU temp... but lately I read that a lot of people start complaining of the high CPU temp and throttling.
It's true that there are a lot of variables involved, like the unit positioning in the dashboard, the country you live in, the weather, where you park your car (underground or in the sun) and so on....
The upside is that can easily be addressed but you risk loosing the warranty.... depending how much you decide to mod it.
The Joying has good hardware, in my opinion the best hardware at the moment, it only lacks a skilled guy that can build an clean and simple custom ROM.
I would probably live without a custom ROM as long as the GPS speed bug is solved
Has anyone figured out a solution to lack of video out on a Joying unit? This seems like a fairly obvious oversight and is the only thing preventing me from picking one up...
I have to admit the main thing I don't like about my Ownice is he EQ, it's totally crap. However without rooting, poweramp pretty much fixes that, though obviously not for the radio which I don't use much anyway. I am also running the preamp outputs to good amplifiers so my SQ is pretty good I think.
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I installed a Panlelo PA-09YZ16 last week which is just a quad core ARM processor powered 5.1 device. I have been mostly happy with it.
Pros
+Sound quality is better than Subaru's stock crap head unit
+ It responds faster to touch inputs
+ I can customize it any way I want
+ Stock Radio app is really good
+ back up camera is instant even when the device is booting up
Cons
- Stock audio player did not have a play list option (installed Power Amp)
- Stock audio player also did not recognize most of my album art (Power Amp also fixed this)
- required some tweaking via a new launcher to get a good look (installed Car Launcher Pro)
- no Satellite radio feature
- couldn't get the stock steering wheel controls to work
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I did say that, but there are indeed a lot of users who don't do any modding at all and enjoy their Joying as a good unit. The point is maybe that some users want to do more with those units where they were not designed for.
Joying has released 5 official 6.0.1 ROM firmwares so far and at least one intermediate version that was delivered with their units between releases.
The last 2 versions still have some bugs but are generally good and stable: no modding necessary.
Real issues are:
the main "all connecting" server apk limits the use of navigation apps. I have mentioned that a dozen times but they don't seem to want to understand. (several mods available)
Another issue is that they do not allow USB-UVC cameras apart from their own cameras. It is hardcoded into the kernel.
Their bluetooth connection is also crippled in that they only allow phones and odbd plugs to connect (mod available)
Finally: RDS functions in the radio app are crippled. RDS-RT is hardly working. RDS-AF is completely incorrect implemented (seem to be general to chinese radio apps).
2nd and 3rd are not bugs but deliberately programmed limitations to promote sales of their own accessories.
But if you only use Google Maps or iGo, your phone over BT, and no accessories, you have a good working unit. Of course not having RDS AF in Europe sucks. I know Asia and USA don't care about that as they don't know/have the immensely dense populated and fragmented frequencies in those many small regions per country with other frequencies per region.
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Not so sure that your phone over BT is usable, not for me anyhow, or I am missing something as seems I am the only one complaining about this. If you connect to your phone with BT and download your contacts, it will not download the international dial + digit. Even my Local numbers on my phone have the + followed with the country code, otherwise WhatsApp don't recognize them on my phone. If one could add Contacts or edit them, then I can live with that. Maybe someone know where the contacts list is store in the directory.
Hello Everyone
First Id like to thank everyone who posts here - as it has helped me decide what HU to buy based on various feedbacks/modifications possible/etc..
I recently bought a Joying UMS01N2 unit - 7" single din unit with 2GB RAM running 6.0... I just took it out of the box and have got it running for the first time... nothing modified, nothing added - just a new factory unit for now...
I would like your advise on what mods to do / apps to use / launchers to use - with the caveat that I can follow instructions really well, but am not familiar with android settings/mods/hacks/etc...
My goal is to have: Google Maps, FM, Reverse Camera, Music (off SD card/USB), Torque, Phone/BT - don't really need anything else for now
I live in Dubai where temps are usually 30 in winter and 45 in summer - so I would assume a heatsink mod is beneficial
So my questions:
Should I root?
What is the best way to remove bloatware apps Joying supplies and only have the above required apps working?
I really like the Car Launcher AG - is it supported on this unit?
I will be running RCA audio out to an external amp which will feed the speakers... so any audio mods necessary?
Thank you in advance!
I'm in favor of Nova Launcher, it's like the old CyanogenMod launcher but much more customizable. I've bought the pro version, which unlocks extra settings. I'd suggest you experiment with it in your phone or tablet first, then put on the radio second.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...s/joying-extra-tools-apk-apk-to-help-t3628200 Look into the Joying Extra Tools here, so you can get going with root.
After root access, you should install FDroid ( https://f-droid.org/ ) and next AdAway. Run AdAway & then reboot.
If you really want to streamline some apps after install, get going with BusyBox & LuckyPatcher.
I'd then suggest some other apps for music and audiobooks. PlayerPro is nice, MortPlayer is good as well. Offline Maps & Navigation is a must.
Thank You!
So I rooted the unit... updated the SU/Busybox and installed Viper4Android...
Few small issues: I was trying out the monitor temp app, and I cannot read the entire page - the bottom is cut off and there is no scroll bar... any advise for this?
Also, I have the unit in my room with AC on - ambient temp is 26C... unit at startup (within 2 min of startup) was at 50C, and went up to 70C in about 10 min... I have not done any heat sink mods, and during these 10 min I did nothing - no radio, no music, no apps used, etc.. just watched the temps... is that normal?
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So I rooted the unit... updated the SU/Busybox and installed Viper4Android...
Few small issues: I was trying out the monitor temp app, and I cannot read the entire page - the bottom is cut off and there is no scroll bar... any advise for this?
Also, I have the unit in my room with AC on - ambient temp is 26C... unit at startup (within 2 min of startup) was at 50C, and went up to 70C in about 10 min... I have not done any heat sink mods, and during these 10 min I did nothing - no radio, no music, no apps used, etc.. just watched the temps... is that normal?
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Which monitor temp app? The one integrated in my JET app which I assume you used for installing su, busybox and v4a?
Do you have a 1024*600 resolution? I assume your UMS01N2 unit has based on the carjoying site
Did you change the DPI?
If you do mean another temp app, then please specify.
Car Launcher AG works just fine on mine Joying JY-VM130N2D.
Need help... Intel Joying CPU Usage Spikes & Frequent Audio Dropouts on all apps...
It's especially prominent in Pandora. But also on Poweramp and Pulsar. Doesn't happen on iHeartRadio, however; what's happening is every 30 - 45 seconds I get a pause in the audio.. note when it pauses I notice the song time is still continuing so the actual song doesn't appear to be stopping, but I just lose audio. It lasts between 2 and 5 seconds. I tried disabling the stock music player but this seems not to have helped. I also disabled Bluetooth and it still didn't help. I do have a USB harddrive with several gigs of music but nothing is scanning from what I can tell. What could be causing this issue?
Edit: After some additional testing using the Trickster MOD, I am finding that the HU is running at 1040Mhz 99% of the time in a sample of 2 hours, however; when I lose audio I am noticing my CPU usage is SPIKING from 5 - 10% to 90% and higher for no apparent reason, then it drops back down and I regain audio... Temperatures remain between 40 and 45*C ... Any idea whats going on?
Looks like your HU is experiencing overheat problem when CPU has to throttle down.
I installed a heat sink and cooling fan on it already though and it solved my initial problem where my HU would lose GPS. How can I tell for sure because my new fans are definitely running yet my audio keeps skipping
Have you installed any CPU temperature measuring utility? Might give a clue.
ste2002 said:
Have you installed any CPU temperature measuring utility? Might give a clue.
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what app would you recommend?
Also, Google Play downloads are EXTREMELY slow and take forever to install.
Need4Camaro said:
what app would you recommend?
Also, Google Play downloads are EXTREMELY slow and take forever to install.
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I like CPU Temp Pure https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yanyan.cputemppure - it was once free, now it is not. I like it because it is capable of outputting temp in the upper screen bar persistently (if this setting is enabled).
As to slow install, it can also mean CPU thottled down and if it is Intel, they say the app has to be compiled for x86 during install which takes additional time (I only repeat someone here, may be wrong).
ste2002 said:
I like CPU Temp Pure https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yanyan.cputemppure - it was once free, now it is not. I like it because it is capable of outputting temp in the upper screen bar persistently (if this setting is enabled).
As to slow install, it can also mean CPU thottled down and if it is Intel, they say the app has to be compiled for x86 during install which takes additional time (I only repeat someone here, may be wrong).
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I'll try that. If it comes to a point where I may need a new HU, what would you recommend? Not sure if I really like Joying, especially because their overheating issues.
As to me, I am not an expert at all: Joying is my first (and current) experience in Android HU. Keeping an eye on a HU market, I can not see anything that I would heavily wish to substitute Joying, which is just quite acceptable for my everyday usage.
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You may want to search for CadillacMike posts - AFAIR he recently owned at least 3 different Chinese brand Android HUs, Joying included.
ste2002 said:
As to me, I am not an expert at all: Joying is my first (and current) experience in Android HU. Keeping an eye on a HU market, I can not see anything that I would heavily wish to substitute Joying, which is just quite acceptable for my everyday usage.
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You may want to search for CadillacMike posts - AFAIR he recently owned at least 3 different Chinese brand Android HUs, Joying included.
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Okay, I checked the CPU temp and its hovering between 37 and 41*C with poweramp running but poweramp is still skipping.
I notice my DEFAULT music app is still trying to locate music, is there any way to disable the default music app? I am believing it may be causing the problem.
Your temps are just ideal, very low for throttling, I believe. Mine are often around 80 - I still do not have any additional cooling. But I mostly tune to FM radio.
ste2002 said:
Your temps are just ideal, very low for throttling, I believe. Mine are often around 80 - I still do not have any additional cooling. But I mostly tune to FM radio.
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Are there apps that can disable throttling and allow it to run at max CPU?
Look at GTX custom ROM thread as an alternative to Joying factory ROM - it may solve your issue. And gtxaspec himself did mention using some software to lock CPU on his HU to 1000 Mhz.
By the way: at some 80+C my CPU frequency shows 728? MHz.
ste2002 said:
Look at GTX custom ROM thread as an alternative to Joying factory ROM - it may solve your issue. And gtxaspec himself did mention using some software to lock CPU on his HU to 1000 Mhz.
By the way: at some 80+C my CPU frequency shows 728? MHz.
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I was looking into that, looks like I would have to upgrade to Android 6. I did alot of mods to my 5.1.1 (Can use Google Voice Assistant, Audio works on all Navigation Apps instead of just the default one, Bluetooth mod) I'm assuming all that will go away..will I retain this features if I use his mod?
There is high probability that you'll have to reconfigure/install everything again. You may also encounter new issues you do not have now. Its not just a mod, but ROM.
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After a bit more testing, I downloaded the Trickster Mod. My HU is becoming unbelievably slow. The trickster mod is showing my CPU temperature consistantly between 37*C and 44*C -- Never goes higher than 44*C. ...
CPU is running at 1040Mhz for the majority of the time, a sample of 2 hours showed it at 1040Mhz for 99% of the time... and at a much lower speed for 1% of the time. I can't remember the exact Mhz but what is happening is this..
I ran PowerAmp while watching Trickster and CPU usage remains between 6% and 15% for the majority of the time, and then when I get an audio drop-out, my CPU usage SPIKES to 90% or higher, I lose all audio, then it returns to about 5 to 10% and all audio returns...and it does this consistently where I lose audio during CPU usage spike. I do not know what is taxing my CPU so hard.
Any idea?
So I used an app to determine which apps were taking the most CPU usage, it turns out.. it was my Google App. I reinstalled my Google App and all seems to be well now.
Hello. I was hoping someone who is experienced with both the standard and pro units of 2019 could help me in this matter. Both of these units are extremely hard to get ahold of right now or I would test myself, sorry to bother.
I was able to get my hands on a standard unit and everything is working as expected except it has horrible ram management. Either that or just lacking ram in general. I can't get any app to stay in ram. If I leave to simply look at the settings menu, when I return to the app it completely refreshes. I might, come back to see it in its same state if I only look at one app but don't click on anything, but thats not guaranteed.
No sense in even having an app switcher when it behaves like this. Its as if the developer option that forces all apps to close when you exit them is somehow enabled. I checked in developer settings and it shows disabled. I also disabled eco mode for all the apps I use and it didn't change anything.
I'm thinking the standard unit just doesn't have enough ram to keep up with demand. But i can't test to be sure. Can anyone with a pro unit confirm that they can browse through a few apps and then return to their original app and it be in the exact state you left it?
Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
i've basic Shield and i also keep researching this frustrating issue. Some apps will return to their previous some not.. Plex (the most used app) is the most problematic, always restarts even when just going briefly to settings. Can't imagine it's poor on Pro unit also. That's why i keep Basic version, and only upgrade to "Pro Platinum 2021" with 8GB RAM later
i would really like the app switching LG TV does - but i must admit Shield UI can be even faster (when it's not freezing).
Stability ** (tons of freezes and crashes, fan should not run in quiet mode)
Speed ***** (ultra fast UI and apps especially can be faster than WebOS, the only slow app is Plex)
App management *** (poor app switching, nice app widgets on home layout, not good integration - can't search all content AGAIN grr.. yeat another device whose global search will only throw some youtube results)
Connectivity **** (Dolby vision flickers, otherwise nice companion to AV receiver and a must for TVs without eARC)
Control *** (i like the backlight buttons, but in the end i switched back to TV remote which can control it too, and can display inputs so well, and i hate more than 1 remote.. also arrow keys are so small that i'm making mistakes frequently)
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i've basic Shield and i also keep researching this frustrating issue. Some apps will return to their previous some not.. Plex (the most used app) is the most problematic, always restarts even when just going briefly to settings. Can't imagine it's poor on Pro unit also. That's why i keep Basic version, and only upgrade to "Pro Platinum 2021" with 8GB RAM later
i would really like the app switching LG TV does - but i must admit Shield UI can be even faster (when it's not freezing).
Stability ** (tons of freezes and crashes, fan should not run in quiet mode)
Speed ***** (ultra fast UI and apps especially can be faster than WebOS, the only slow app is Plex)
App management *** (poor app switching, nice app widgets on home layout, not good integration - can't search all content AGAIN grr.. yeat another device whose global search will only throw some youtube results)
Connectivity **** (Dolby vision flickers, otherwise nice companion to AV receiver and a must for TVs without eARC)
Control *** (i like the backlight buttons, but in the end i switched back to TV remote which can control it too, and can display inputs so well, and i hate more than 1 remote.. also arrow keys are so small that i'm making mistakes frequently)
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I have a Shield TV 2017 and the new Shield TV Pro and they are all the same with ram managment. You pause a show and then go to another app or two and when you come back the entire app has to refresh and you have to find your show again to start it. Some apps refresh every time for no reason, just like you say. In comparison, the Apple TV 4k (which has the same exact 3gb of ram), can have as many as 11 apps open without refreshing and I can have 4 different movie streams paused at the same time and I can switch between them at any time. They end up staying in ram for many days at a time. Its nice to return to an app 4 days later to finish a movie and its right where you left it and all you have to do is unpause.
seh6183 said:
Hello. I was hoping someone who is experienced with both the standard and pro units of 2019 could help me in this matter. Both of these units are extremely hard to get ahold of right now or I would test myself, sorry to bother.
I was able to get my hands on a standard unit and everything is working as expected except it has horrible ram management. Either that or just lacking ram in general. I can't get any app to stay in ram. If I leave to simply look at the settings menu, when I return to the app it completely refreshes. I might, come back to see it in its same state if I only look at one app but don't click on anything, but thats not guaranteed.
No sense in even having an app switcher when it behaves like this. Its as if the developer option that forces all apps to close when you exit them is somehow enabled. I checked in developer settings and it shows disabled. I also disabled eco mode for all the apps I use and it didn't change anything.
I'm thinking the standard unit just doesn't have enough ram to keep up with demand. But i can't test to be sure. Can anyone with a pro unit confirm that they can browse through a few apps and then return to their original app and it be in the exact state you left it?
Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
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I have the MiBox 3 and never had this problem with less ram.
Have you found a solution yet?
Is there anything is the developers menu that we could tinker with?