Running the standard OS - no unlocking at all.
My OP5 is set up for face unlock and fingerprint unlock. No issues there and both work OK. But every so often, I am asked for my PIN number “for additional security”.
Anyone know why and whether I can stop this happening?
Cheers
Alan
alan sh said:
Running the standard OS - no unlocking at all.
My OP5 is set up for face unlock and fingerprint unlock. No issues there and both work OK. But every so often, I am asked for my PIN number “for additional security”.
Anyone know why and whether I can stop this happening?
Cheers
Alan
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If for instance, the finger print sensor keeps activating incorrectly in your pocket, it will stop those attempts and make you use another method, e.g. Pin.
I have the standard flip cover - so it shouldn't activate.
Alan
It's a security feature. Makes you remember your pin and makes sure you are the owner of the device who knows the pin code.
I think its because op5 reboots sometimes automatically. Its random.
OK- thanks. [But mine doesn't reboot occasionally unless I ask it]
alan sh said:
OK- thanks. [But mine doesn't reboot occasionally unless I ask it]
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Stock Android asks for a pin every 72 hours of uptime.
NaterTots said:
Stock Android asks for a pin every 72 hours of uptime.
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Ah, thank you. That makes sense.
Alan
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This issue has been addressed and no actual cause has been determined.
My pin lock pad which I usually use is replaced by a keyboard for no reason and my pin doesn't work anymore.
it keeps asking me for a password and after every 5 attempts I get a 30 seconds countdown.
To add insult to injury trying to restart the computer boots me into download mode.
It's very frustrating to say the least. Fortunately I have a twrp backup that I can restore but it's such a waste of time.
Has anyone else had this happen to them?
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This issue has been addressed and no actual cause has been determined.
My pin lock pad which I usually use is replaced by a keyboard for no reason and my pin doesn't work anymore.
it keeps asking me for a password and after every 5 attempts I get a 30 seconds countdown.
To add insult to injury trying to restart the computer boots me into download mode.
It's very frustrating to say the least. Fortunately I have a twrp backup that I can restore but it's such a waste of time.
Has anyone else had this happen to them?
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Not happening to me. but anyone who knows how to deal with this. So, just in case happened to us, we know what to do.
hemander said:
Not happening to me. but anyone who knows how to deal with this. So, just in case happened to us, we know what to do.
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Useless posts just to raise your post count are all over this forum, seriously if you cant offer anything remotely helpful why post at all? Also put your tongue back in!
OP can you extrapolate how to arrive at the issue and also please state device model, device status etc?
Are you using an application to set/unset your PIN?
I had this happening to me repeatedly, however it was accepting my PIN as the password so was more just annoying that anything else.
After some experimenting I found that it was Secure Settings (setting the PIN) that seemed to be the cause - somehow it was setting the PIN correctly the first time it ran and then subsequently it would switch to password.
I ditched it and instead setup my set/unset PIN via Pebble Locker (also using Wifi and other bluetooth devices to set/unset PIN).
After using it for a few days successfully, it locked once setting a password instead of PIN, and this time my usual PIN failed to unlock it. Luckily it was about 11pm and I knew that it would automatically unlock at about 7am the next day when the wifi was automatically switched back on - so I didn't need to reset or anything (although I got the impression at the time that you could unlock it via going to your google account somehow - but I can't recall the details and may have this entirely wrong).
I setup a Tasker profile so that I'd have a backdoor to disable the PIN by plugging it into power and checking if I'm at home at the time. Not the most secure solution, but hardly wide open either.
I'm having the same issue and it also appears to be a quirk with Secure Settings. Actually locked me out of my phone yesterday, had to return home where I had task to unlock phone in order to get back in.
NinjaBuzz said:
I'm having the same issue and it also appears to be a quirk with Secure Settings. Actually locked me out of my phone yesterday, had to return home where I had task to unlock phone in order to get back in.
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I've had this exact issue with Secure Settings
Whenever I leave my Note 3 in my pocket where I can always somehow accidentally touch it, it always eats battery like crap and then when I open it again, the PIN is changed to something I don't know. I use an app called TimePin and I'll turn it off to see if the problem still occurs, but this is really weird. Anyone have similar problems?
jon126 said:
Whenever I leave my Note 3 in my pocket where I can always somehow accidentally touch it, it always eats battery like crap and then when I open it again, the PIN is changed to something I don't know. I use an app called TimePin and I'll turn it off to see if the problem still occurs, but this is really weird. Anyone have similar problems?
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How did you unlock the screen if the PIN was changed?
Try to uninstall completely this app. And check the Battery Info to find the source of crap.
vndnguyen said:
How did you unlock the screen if the PIN was changed?
Try to uninstall completely this app. And check the Battery Info to find the source of crap.
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Samsung Unlock My Phone
Lucky that mobile data can be toggled from the shutdown menu.
TimePIN changes your PIN code according to the clock on the device. Depending on how you set it up, the PIN could be current time, mirrored, doubled, reversed or who knows what
I used to have it on reverse, so when time is 07:38, my PIN would be 8370 at that time. Changes every minute.
Someguyfromhell said:
I used to have it on reverse, so when time is 07:38, my PIN would be 8370 at that time. Changes every minute.
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Not sure if you're extremely paranoid or rather clever. :laugh:
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Anyone else seeing this behavior? On my 995, whenever I restart, or power on my phone.. I have to use the Knock Code to get into my phone, and it says "fingerprints unavailable for use" or something to that effect.
I find this odd behavior.
Its not odd behavior its LG behavior.
Unfortunately there's no way around it.
turn off secure startup in security...
Your fingerprint is encrypted and you phone can't access encrypted data until you unlock it after a reboot. So its kinda a catch 22 where you will always have to unlock with a pin after startup instead of fingerprint. Your fingerprint is biometric data and obviously can't be changed so it needs to more secure on your phone than your pin which you can change. It is this way on most phones with fingerprint readers.
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Its not odd behavior its LG behavior.
Unfortunately there's no way around it.
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It's not just LG, my Samsung S7 and Note 7 both required pin code on first log in after a reboot/boot up
It's part of Android now.
nest75068 said:
It's not just LG, my Samsung S7 and Note 7 both required pin code on first log in after a reboot/boot up
It's part of Android now.
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It's not even Android. My work phone is an iPhone and it has the same behavior. Which drives me nuts because our work phones require us to change pin codes every couple of months and we can't recycle codes.
I turned off secure startup as I don't need kids messing with my phone and I imagine after ten attempts if wipes it?
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I turned off secure startup as I don't need kids messing with my phone and I imagine after ten attempts if wipes it?
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30 attempts for secure boot
If I'm right, the op is taking about setting the fingerprint to unlock but it still requires the pattern. You will notice this if you use a third party app or launcher to lock screen. E.g. Nova launcher double tap to lock screen. It will tell you fingerprint is unavailable.
A work around to this is to doubly tap the top part of the screen (the bar where the date and signal strength is).
This will allow you to unlock with fingerprint.
If you use the stock lg launcher then double tapping anywhere on screen shows you to unlock using fingerprint.
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If I'm right, the op is taking about setting the fingerprint to unlock but it still requires the pattern. You will notice this if you use a third party app or launcher to lock screen. E.g. Nova launcher double tap to lock screen. It will tell you fingerprint is unavailable.
A work around to this is to doubly tap the top part of the screen (the bar where the date and signal strength is).
This will allow you to unlock with fingerprint.
If you use the stock lg launcher then double tapping anywhere on screen shows you to unlock using fingerprint.
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I'm working with a developer of Screen Lock Pro to try and find a workaround for this. Currently his app will work on Android 5 and 6 by delaying the lock for 5-10 seconds but it's currently not working on Android 7 on LG (it is working on Pixel and Nexus devices).
Hmmm... Not sure I understand this behavior. My fingerprint is much more complex than a 4-digit code that can eventually be brute-forced (phone wipe or not - in theory I mean).. so why wouldn't my fingerprint be the top-most factor in unlocking the phone? I mean.. say I'm one of those guys that uses his last four of an SSN like an idiot, and someone knows that about me.. boom, they're in my phone. Do iPhones do this for real (as stated above)?
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It's not even Android. My work phone is an iPhone and it has the same behavior. Which drives me nuts because our work phones require us to change pin codes every couple of months and we can't recycle codes.
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Interesting. I wonder what type of MDM Solution your company is running...
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Hmmm... Not sure I understand this behavior. My fingerprint is much more complex than a 4-digit code that can eventually be brute-forced (phone wipe or not - in theory I mean).. so why wouldn't my fingerprint be the top-most factor in unlocking the phone? I mean.. say I'm one of those guys that uses his last four of an SSN like an idiot, and someone knows that about me.. boom, they're in my phone. Do iPhones do this for real (as stated above)?
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Yup, every time I restart my iPhone, it asks for my pin number and the finger print reader is inoperable. Even when I don't restart my iPhone for a while, it will occasionally lock out the reader and require a pin to wake.
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Interesting. I wonder what type of MDM Solution your company is running...
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Had to figure out where in the menus to dig through to find out who it is. (I seriously do not like how Apple sets their phones up.) Looks like it is AWMDM.
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Had to figure out where in the menus to dig through to find out who it is. (I seriously do not like how Apple sets their phones up.) Looks like it is AWMDM.
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Airwatch, by VMware. MDM....aka you're being watched...
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Airwatch, by VMware. MDM....aka you're being watched...
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I always assume as much. Not really a bother for me. The iPhone is a work phone that I don't like carrying or touching. My personal phone is always my go to for anything unless it is work related.
I have this on my nexus 6p also. When ever i reboot the phone it requires me to use my pattern to unlock. It's a "feature" of sorts. Not going to go into my thoughts as to why but i think i may understand why they did that.
In case anyone is wondering, a few conditions that force you to use backup method are being left alone (with no smart locks enabled or active) for 4 hours, a reboot, and a failed scan 5 times in a row.
The reboot case is due to encrypted data (no matter what you do, your phone is encrypted on boot, unless you fix that, however, you phone will still treat it as such). The only reason I can imagine for the time out is in case a ninja chops off your fingers in your sleep. As for the wrong input, that seems annoying sure, but odds are if you got the fingerprint wrong 5 times in a row, it's not you.
Yeah v10 does this as well on fresh boot ups.
I'm not sure I understand the reason behind it I would think it would be less secure this way.
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In case anyone is wondering, a few conditions that force you to use backup method are being left alone (with no smart locks enabled or active) for 4 hours, a reboot, and a failed scan 5 times in a row.
The reboot case is due to encrypted data (no matter what you do, your phone is encrypted on boot, unless you fix that, however, you phone will still treat it as such). The only reason I can imagine for the time out is in case a ninja chops off your fingers in your sleep. As for the wrong input, that seems annoying sure, but odds are if you got the fingerprint wrong 5 times in a row, it's not you.
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I'm not sure I'm following as to why encryption matters. Are you saying my fingerprint data is encrypted? If so, why isn't my PIN also encrypted?
Speaking of fingerprints has anyone run into the issue where the phone "forgets" your print? I have had this happen at random times and while the fingerprint data is still saved the phone fails to recognize my finger so I have to set it up again.
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After 7.1.1 update, Axon 7 requires PIN after reboot and unlocking phone. Is it possible to turn this function off, to unlock with fingerprint every time?
thanks for answers
BurakSefaSenturk said:
After 7.1.1 update, Axon 7 requires PIN after reboot and unlocking phone. Is it possible to turn this function off, to unlock with fingerprint every time?
thanks for answers
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I don't think that can be turned off. It's a 'security feature'.
But if there is a way to firm that off, I'd like to know as well.
There is a way. Here's screen shots.
Go to security, screen lock, pattern or pin (whatever you're using) it'll ask for you pin or pattern, then select no thanks
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There is a way. Here's screen shots.
Go to security, screen lock, pattern or pin (whatever you're using) it'll ask for you pin or pattern, then select no thanks
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That's not the same thing...even if you select no thanks, you will still have to enter your pin on reboot. It was the same on the Nexus 6P. I have always selected no thanks and have always had to enter a pin on reboot. I believe it's a Nougat feature that can't be disabled.
Hola
If you use a third party ROM like Resurrection Remix, the feature you are looking for is available. I actually have it configured like this on my phone.
"So what you want me to do 'bout that?"
Howie Dub said:
That's not the same thing...even if you select no thanks, you will still have to enter your pin on reboot. It was the same on the Nexus 6P. I have always selected no thanks and have always had to enter a pin on reboot. I believe it's a Nougat feature that can't be disabled.
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Oh now i see what you're talking about. If you select yes Android won't even start without a pin or pattern. If you select no Android will start but will require pattern or pin for 1st unlock.
Sorry for misleading you guys.
I setup my brand new moto G4 Plus (xt1644) with fingerprint + pattern security. Usually the fingerprint unlocks it, but every once in awhile it requires a pattern instead. I know for sure that the pattern is required when powering up or rebooting, but what are the other occasions? Thanks
flroots said:
I setup my brand new moto G4 Plus (xt1644) with fingerprint + pattern security. Usually the fingerprint unlocks it, but every once in awhile it requires a pattern instead. I know for sure that the pattern is required when powering up or rebooting, but what are the other occasions? Thanks
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After a reboot and when many wrong fingerprints are registered, it will ask for the pattern.
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After a reboot and when many wrong fingerprints are registered, it will ask for the pattern.
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Thanks. Are those the only occasions?
I think there is some bug. At times my phone denies to identify fingerprints and asks for pattern directly like I've restarted my phone
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I think there is some bug. At times my phone denies to identify fingerprints and asks for pattern directly like I've restarted my phone
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Interestingly, before I wrote the question, there were frequent occasions that it asked for fingerprint, but afterwards it hasn't once asked for fingerprint except after power on/reboot. No idea why the change!
flroots said:
Interestingly, before I wrote the question, there were frequent occasions that it asked for fingerprint, but afterwards it hasn't once asked for fingerprint except after power on/reboot. No idea why the change!
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Maybe some bug in Nougat. Maybe faulty hardware. Moto service sucks here at my place too
Was happy with my lg g4 :-/