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I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
I'm going with the SD 600 because Qualcomm is very good at providing the source code for ROM development.
There really isn't going to be a huge difference in performance. The Exynos is slightly more powerful and comes with a Wolfson audio chip, but you're going to be limited to stock roms and incomplete AOSP roms until Samsung decides to release the source code. So if you plan to stay stock, get the Exynos. If you want AOSP roms, go with the Qualcomm.
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I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
Closed Source Project said:
I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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The "Source Code" as he is talking about is for the exerynos chip sets. They are Closed Source Drivers that Samsung uses/makes. They have never released source code for the exerynos. So for developers who modify the operating system to use MAINLY AOSP type builds they have to basically create their own drivers to get them working partially and quite often they do not perform as well as some if the hardware when using a Samsung based ROM that they were made for. The exerynos is awesome but it frustrated MANY developers to not want to bother trying to get things working any longer for the phones with exerynos due to the lack of documentation of the drivers source code Samsung made. I am sure I am not totally correct here with some of the terms and it probably could be stated better. This is just my layman's take on the issue...
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
Anas553 said:
I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
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For now gaming would be better on exynos variant ,for development s600.
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Anas553 said:
Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
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Yes. It is one of the most powerful processors you can get now. For me though, the deciding factor between the two is battery life. If the BIG.LITRLE architecture works as promised and delivers amazing battery life while doing things like watching videos and browsing the Web, I9500 will be the one I'm aiming for.
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Does the lack of 64bit make much of a difference for between now and 2016 spring where I'll most probably get my next phone after this note? Will it take some time for 64bit to really be widespread in terms of apps and games and software etc which would make it ok to get this note provided I upgrade again in 2016?
According to anandtech, the Exynos version might have a 64bit capable architecture (Cortex A57), but the chip's drivers and firmware run in a CAL mode (32-bit compatibility mode). This means that while it benefits from some of the performance and power saving features of A57, it won't be running 64bit code.
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According to anandtech, the Exynos version might have a 64bit capable architecture (Cortex A57), but the chip's drivers and firmware run in a CAL mode (32-bit compatibility mode). This means that while it benefits from some of the performance and power saving features of A57, it won't be running 64bit code.
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Same as Snapdragon 410 devices launched. No 64bit code because Android 4.4.4 can't run 64bit but Android L will.
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hiepgia said:
Same as Snapdragon 410 devices launched. No 64bit code because Android 4.4.4 can't run 64bit but Android L will.
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The anandtech article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
It seems to imply that this was never meant to be a 64bit SoC, and may not ever run in 64bit mode (at least without some hacking), even with Android L.
They share their opinion. I checked HTC Desire 510 have snapdragon 410 too. In source code doesn't have AArch64 implement too. But it doesn't mean an update with android L won't bring implement AArch64.
Anandtech think Exynos 5433 is 32 bit and they are total wrong. Now they can wrong too.
Exynos 5433 with AArch64 at first is line up Exynos 6 but they don't want Snapdragon chipset can't sell-out when people want Exynos chipset. The very same story with Snapdragon and Exynos in Galaxy S4/S5 and Note 4.
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Does the lack of 64bit make much of a difference for between now and 2016 spring where I'll most probably get my next phone after this note? Will it take some time for 64bit to really be widespread in terms of apps and games and software etc which would make it ok to get this note provided I upgrade again in 2016?
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I think some people answered your question but not fully lol. Simply put this whole argument over 64-bit and 32-bit is kind of pointless. As others have stated the exynos version isn't even running in 64 bit mode. Android L has yet to be released and there is no way of telling if it can be put into 64 bit mode. Even if it could, if you decide to get a snapdragon note now, you will be good. Most apps will not be 64 bit compatible out of the gate, and will take some time for them to be so. You will not experience any major loss in performance, and maybe someslight difference in battery life. Hell my nexus 5 on Android L developer preview which isn't even finalized runs AMAZING in comparison to kit kat, and in no way shape or form is the nexus 5 64 bit compatible. Don't let 64-bit fanboys sway your decision on an exynos vs snapdragon note 4. They both will be powerhouses with android L. By 2016 for your next upgrade there will be plenty of 64 bit phones, especially the S6 at that time, and the Note 5 in the fall.
It will be years until 64bit is widely accepted and used so you'll be okay. I'm basing this off of the windows transition which is still occurring after all these years.
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It will be years until 64bit is widely accepted and used so you'll be okay. I'm basing this off of the windows transition which is still occurring after all these years.
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People get new phone every 18 months on average, I would imagine people hold on to computers for much longer, so analogy to windows regarding transition is probably wrong. Another example for disparity would be OS updates, Google has 2-3 updates of Android a year, where MS would be every 2-3 years?
Also the newest ARM architecture is probably 20-40% faster (per clock) and Google has a chance to write more efficient OS (like replacing JIT with ART for example). So I'm willing to predict that transition to 64 bit will be much faster for the phones than it is with computers. Of course all this depends on translating theoretical gains into real life advantages , if they don't show up due to poor execution, then all bets are off.
Hi ! Someone know anything about it ? Asus gonna release Android Marshmallow on Zenfone 2, and the GPU (PowerVR G6430) is compatible with this new api but do you think they gonna release this update with last build of android with Vulkan ? (Google announced this API will be compatible Marshmallow.)
Vulkan really increase performances with our GPU (PowerVR G6430) :
And a technical demo (real time) of vulkan on smartphones with Unreal Engine 4 :
No, asus has never been good with optimizing gpu,camera
But they are changing , who knows. , well if 820 also supports it, because s7 has it why does not lg g5 and mi5 have it.
Either its quite new to do developers or they aint interested in it
Wow, that demo video is jaw dropping. It's incredible what mobile devices are capable of these days.
I hope this happend
Maybe you can write this in here
http://www.asus.com/zentalk/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=46&page=1&mobile=2
android lover 2000 said:
No, asus has never been good with optimizing gpu,camera
But they are changing , who knows. , well if 820 also supports it, because s7 has it why does not lg g5 and mi5 have it.
Either its quite new to do developers or they aint interested in it
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Only the U.S. version on s7 has the 820 everyone else will be using the exynox chip
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Exynos is just hyped overloaded trash. No CPU documentation No SRC is worthless to us XDA users. Even QSD820 can barely make the AOSP or CM make work properly..Oh and the Bootloader, It's got a chastity belt from samhell...
I suppose this opens up a lot more for smartphones in terms of graphic capabilities, hope soon I will be able to play a ported version of Star Wars Battlefront 2 on my phone (yeah I could use the PSP version but that version of the game sucks).
And yes more than likely Vulkan support is coming in the Marshmallow update.
hi, I'm very interested in everything about vulkan since i could see some videos about it. But my knowledge about api, android and rom's is not that good, so i would thank you if i could get some answers.
1 - Is this implementation of API a work for ASUS or Intel?
2 - Since i saw that PowerVR Rogue has now SDK(i dont know what it is) for Vulkan, Is ANYONE able to make a custom rom that could use Vulkan?
3 - I've heard that Android N will have native support for Vulkan. Does it mean that if i download a custom rom, like a cyanogenmod, for Android N to my Zenfone 2 i will have the benefits of using Vulkan?
4 - Does anyone know if that Galasy S7 that had 135k+ on antutu was using Vulkan? Because my Zenfone 2 is a great phone and only scores 65k, it's scary to thing that a S7 should have more than the double of hardware capacity that my Zenfone has. I thing that should be because of vulkan, but i need to hear it from someone who knows what's talking.
I hope to get answers for this questions. Thank you all.
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hi, I'm very interested in everything about vulkan since i could see some videos about it. But my knowledge about api, android and rom's is not that good, so i would thank you if i could get some answers.
1 - Is this implementation of API a work for ASUS or Intel?
2 - Since i saw that PowerVR Rogue has now SDK(i dont know what it is) for Vulkan, Is ANYONE able to make a custom rom that could use Vulkan?
3 - I've heard that Android N will have native support for Vulkan. Does it mean that if i download a custom rom, like a cyanogenmod, for Android N to my Zenfone 2 i will have the benefits of using Vulkan?
4 - Does anyone know if that Galasy S7 that had 135k+ on antutu was using Vulkan? Because my Zenfone 2 is a great phone and only scores 65k, it's scary to thing that a S7 should have more than the double of hardware capacity that my Zenfone has. I thing that should be because of vulkan, but i need to hear it from someone who knows what's talking.
I hope to get answers for this questions. Thank you all.
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1) Both Asus need intel to update graphics drivers to implement Vulkan
2) Nope still need drivers
3) This means it's implemented but not compatible with every phone running N version as SoC makers and OEMs need to update the source code
4) Galaxy s7 is superior in any way to zenfone 2 this means gpu and cpu. Vulkan api will start working only on some games if implemented if the devs don't use vulkan api then this means no visual/performance upgrade.
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1) Both Asus need intel to update graphics drivers to implement Vulkan
2) Nope still need drivers
3) This means it's implemented but not compatible with every phone running N version as SoC makers and OEMs need to update the source code
4) Galaxy s7 is superior in any way to zenfone 2 this means gpu and cpu. Vulkan api will start working only on some games if implemented if the devs don't use vulkan api then this means no visual/performance upgrade.
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Thank you! So i doubt we will use Vulkan at Zenfone 2 =/
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Thank you! So i doubt we will use Vulkan at Zenfone 2 =/
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Our GPU is fully compatible, it's up to manufactures to include it other wise it's gonna be really hard for CM Mantainers to include it even partially.
Hello everyone
Im going to buy a Note 4 but Which one should I get?
Which one is better at; gaming, battery life and developer friendly? (Is there a prefered model number in terms of rom support?)I really need to know becuase Im keeping it for at least one year.
And btw is there any news about android 7.0 for Note 4?
Thanks
The only reason I see to get the Snapdragon variant is if you wanna use AOSP based ROMs. Exynos all the way.
Nougat? No way mate.
Depends on how your usage is , if you use your device for office purpose , then EXYNOS is what I advice .
Exynos 5433 is 64 bit and snapdragon 805 is 32 bit .
Exynos is octacore and big.LITTLE's architecture utilises the two quad core processor very efficiently, the battery is not bad on any variant comparitively.
Snapdragon is better in terms of development.
As snapdragon is open source , it gets more support from developers .
If you put heavy tasks on your note 4 , then EXYNOS will handle it very well without any lag.
On the other hand snapdragon is well supported by gaming softwares like gameloft . So in Gpu related tasks , snapdragon will perform better.
If you will be using it for a year , then snapdragon is better cause custom roms are well supported on it.
CM14 :Nougat is already in alpha stage .
Final verdict:
Snapdragon : if you are an avid gamer and also because it is well supported by developers .
Exynos :because it performs heavy tasks without any lag at all.
Finally its your choice...
For snapdragon , n910g or n910f is preferable , mostly look for n910f . Both have same development support.
For exynos, i dint know ,look for the one with unlocked bootloader.
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ithehappy said:
The only reason I see to get the Snapdragon variant is if you wanna use AOSP based ROMs. Exynos all the way.
Nougat? No way mate.
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yashthemw said:
Depends on how your usage is , if you use your device for office purpose , then EXYNOS is what I advice .
Exynos 5433 is 64 bit and snapdragon 805 is 32 bit .
Exynos is octacore and big.LITTLE's architecture utilises the two quad core processor very efficiently, the battery is not bad on any variant comparitively.
Snapdragon is better in terms of development.
As snapdragon is open source , it gets more support from developers .
If you put heavy tasks on your note 4 , then EXYNOS will handle it very well without any lag.
On the other hand snapdragon is well supported by gaming softwares like gameloft . So in Gpu related tasks , snapdragon will perform better.
If you will be using it for a year , then snapdragon is better cause custom roms are well supported on it.
CM14 :Nougat is already in alpha stage .
Final verdict:
Snapdragon : if you are an avid gamer and also because it is well supported by developers .
Exynos :because it performs heavy tasks without any lag at all.
Finally its your choice...
For snapdragon , n910g or n910f is preferable , mostly look for n910f . Both have same development support.
For exynos, i dint know ,look for the one with unlocked bootloader.
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Guess im going for the SD! Thank you
Btw I think cm14 is coming SD first, right?
yashthemw said:
Depends on how your usage is , if you use your device for office purpose , then EXYNOS is what I advice .
Exynos 5433 is 64 bit and snapdragon 805 is 32 bit .
Exynos is octacore and big.LITTLE's architecture utilises the two quad core processor very efficiently, the battery is not bad on any variant comparitively.
Snapdragon is better in terms of development.
As snapdragon is open source , it gets more support from developers .
If you put heavy tasks on your note 4 , then EXYNOS will handle it very well without any lag.
On the other hand snapdragon is well supported by gaming softwares like gameloft . So in Gpu related tasks , snapdragon will perform better.
If you will be using it for a year , then snapdragon is better cause custom roms are well supported on it.
CM14 :Nougat is already in alpha stage .
Final verdict:
Snapdragon : if you are an avid gamer and also because it is well supported by developers .
Exynos :because it performs heavy tasks without any lag at all.
Finally its your choice...
For snapdragon , n910g or n910f is preferable , mostly look for n910f . Both have same development support.
For exynos, i dint know ,look for the one with unlocked bootloader.
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Good informational post. :good:
I've seen many people on this forums saying that SD is worse in gaming, battery and custom roms, which is untrue.
CR4SH_eR said:
Guess im going for the SD! Thank you
Btw I think cm14 is coming SD first, right?
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SD will get it definitely, as for exynos I doubt and even if it gets cm14 , it won't be stable.
Depends on the developers .
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Despite the fact Leeco is no more, I'm thinking about buying a Le Pro 3 as I feel it is a great terminal. However, many version with many different chipsets exist, so I'm quite confused.
The Snapdragon 821 version is very rare and costs about double than the "AI Edition" with the deca core Helio X20 chipset from MediaTek. I've seen benchmarks and the 821 is a better chipset, but the difference doesn't seem enough to justify this overlooking the AI edition.
I don't really care about the AI camera, but I was just wondering... using three different CPUs depending on the workload, isn't the Helio phone supposed to have better battery life? Is the x720 version really THAT better? Do the x65X versions lag? Are the x72X versions beasts?
There's no development on the Mediatek variants. I have no idea how they fare in the battery department, but my x727 (SD821) can hit 9-10hrs SOT using mobile data only. When playing games this is reduced to around 4-6hrs - depending on which one. A developer has ported Treble to the x72x models, so it would be the reasonable choice. It's only a matter of time until Android P images will work.
Mediaket processors are VERY battery hungry. Only for that reason I consider it's not a good choice.
Then is the issue of NULL development because Mediatek doesn't let anyone access its source codes. You'll get stuck in stock rom (an ancient 6.0 MM) and if you are not an english/chinese speaking person it's hard to find a proper localization.
To add to what everyone else said: mediatek processors get too hot which will give the phone a short lifespan.
Thank you for your answers! So, even the Helio X20, with its 10 cores, does not seem to be able to drain and heat less. Didn't know MTK are closed source too. Guess I'll try and get my hands on a x720 then. Thanks again!