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Porting The Iphone OS

soo.... i see very little discussion about this.
has anybody here looked into actually porting the iphone os
heres a link to get you going if you havent
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/07/13/iphone-os-x-architecture-the-mach-kernel-and-ram/

i know people say you cant...
hardwares not the same. man i asked a stupid question to fast. sorry. next time i will think.
i just think it would be fun. i probably would not use it very long since it wouldnt be very functional on anything other than its true hardware. since i doubt anybody has the kinda time it would take to get a full working version.

Easiest way to do this is wait till July 11th, save up $199 and go buy an Iphone if you want one that badely!

Unfortunately, because of the different processor architechture, you'd need to basically rebuild the core/kernel...
And, since it's virtually impossible to even get into the kernel, that seems like it could take a long time
The kernel is not part of the software image that crackers have been looking at. Instead, it sits on its own encrypted disk image, which appears to require massive brute force efforts to decrypt. If it is ever unlocked, it will likely have to involve a workaround crack, because it is scrambled with a long enough key that makes simply guessing the password virtually impossible.
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That is a typically badly written, lousily research roughly draughted article.
Saying that "other phones are limited to 2gig" and having the N95 with SDHC support there - ie. it can take 4/8/16/32gig as and when they become available.
And so what if the other phones have less memory - they don't need it! Symbian has been designed from the ground up for mobile devices.
Symbian are trying to catch up on functionality???? Where does that load of rubbish come from? The Symbian and iPhone browsers have the same underlying engine, and the S60 browser is about as fully featured as any.

clonmult said:
That is a typically badly written, lousily research roughly draughted article.
Saying that "other phones are limited to 2gig" and having the N95 with SDHC support there - ie. it can take 4/8/16/32gig as and when they become available.
And so what if the other phones have less memory - they don't need it! Symbian has been designed from the ground up for mobile devices.
Symbian are trying to catch up on functionality???? Where does that load of rubbish come from? The Symbian and iPhone browsers have the same underlying engine, and the S60 browser is about as fully featured as any.
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Symbian does hang quite alot (N95 release build for example...)
Also, most devices have SDHC now, which is up to 32 (maybe 64GB soon). And, a large number of WM devices have more RAM than 64MB anyway...
WM has far more functionality than the iPhone OS, and both S60 and WM have developers
And now this thread has turned into yet another iPhone flame

l3v5y said:
Symbian does hang quite alot (N95 release build for example...)
Also, most devices have SDHC now, which is up to 32 (maybe 64GB soon).
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That is partly true my device only supports SDHC cards(even with the hack at this point in time) up to 4gb(if there was a 5gb card that be the max it supports, not even 6gb shows up in full).

yrsmart said:
That is partly true my device only supports SDHC cards(even with the hack at this point in time) up to 4gb(if there was a 5gb card that be the max it supports, not even 6gb shows up in full).
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I'd guess therefore that your device doesn't have the SDHC hardware (SDHC uses longer address bytes), and has instead had the drivers patched to recognise SDHC cards rather than be truly SDHC compliant.

Repartitioning the storage, is it possible?

Hi,
We are able to unlock the bootloader ...
We got root ...
My question, is it possible to repartition the storage?
For example: Right now, there is only 1GB space for internal storage.
Is it possible to create 2GB?
And if it is possible, will it be a problem if Google have another OS update?
I meant, does Android OS update will check the "original" storage "layout"?
Thanks

excellent question.
I'd like to know as well, as i already have 1.5 GB of apps & games installed on my SGS that i plan to restore to the Nexus S when it arrives
meaning i'm already over the limit, and i've not even started yet

The answer is probably no. The same question was raised on the MT4G/G2 forums regarding their internal storage and it was determined that the eMMC/storage/whatever it's called chip can only be flashed one time. After that, it is physically impossible to change how it's partitioned in any way.
Now, granted, this is a Samsung device and, thus, they may use different chips. I find it unlikely, though, that it will be any different.

there might be a chance if Nexus S is indeed another breed of the Galaxy S family.
if it's fixed size and not changeable, then it's a good news for us, we will not see the corruption problems we found on many SGS when people repeatedly formatted their Internal SD to try different things
but on the other hand, it will kinda suck, as that will really limit the amount of Apps we can install in the device.
which will put a very heavy enphasis on using App2SD even more

AllGamer said:
there might be a chance if Nexus S is indeed another breed of the Galaxy S family.
if it's fixed size and not changeable, then it's a good news for us, we will not see the corruption problems we found on many SGS when people repeatedly formatted their Internal SD to try different things
but on the other hand, it will kinda suck, as that will really limit the amount of Apps we can install in the device.
which will put a very heavy enphasis on using App2SD even more
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You know, a gigabyte for apps goes a very long way. I had 130 apps on my i9000, lots of big ones like CoPilot and some games. I never even got over the 500mb mark on using up my app storage.
Never say never, of course, but I can't imagine worrying about app space on my phone. I'm sure I'll have a new one with much better specs by next summer, which, if apps start growing in size, will have more memory.

How do you have 1.5GB of apps? I have over 150 installed, and they're only like 300MB. Granted, I don't have a ton of games, but I still think it would be hard to get that many apps.
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OMG

I Just seen the Elocity A10 listed on tiger.
64GB $699
32GB $599
4GB $449 the 16GB not even listed on tiger
WLAN N
Claiming true multi touch this time for A10's
still ships with 2.2 froyo
Looks like the same pointless 1.3mp cam and still front facing(yes I know web cam)
with all the extra space you would think they would switch to full size SD
I truly have nothing against the elocity. I have an A7 with the 1.3 dex mod loving it, but wife wants it so I'm gonna spring for a Enspert Identy tab E201U. Looks promising and very comparable.

The tablet eLocity A10 and prices, and mt discussed already here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941603

A10 models starting to show up.
I just saw all 3 models of eLocity A10 on Tiger Direct for pre-order today. Amazon has it up but only on adding to wishlist when it becomes available. I am soo tempted right now to take my A7 back and get this A10 for just an extra 100 dollars to spend. I wonder if it is even worth it. If SteamTV can't release a fix for the sdram issue or at least add upgrade to gingerbread, I'm going to A10.

Poradicus said:
I just saw all 3 models of eLocity A10 on Tiger Direct for pre-order today. Amazon has it up but only on adding to wishlist when it becomes available. I am soo tempted right now to take my A7 back and get this A10 for just an extra 100 dollars to spend. I wonder if it is even worth it. If SteamTV can't release a fix for the sdram issue or at least add upgrade to gingerbread, I'm going to A10.
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What "sdram issue" ?

Sorry meant SD Mirco card where it wouldn't work properly with A7.

Poradicus said:
Sorry meant SD Mirco card where it wouldn't work properly with A7.
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What issue? I don't have any issues with sdcard...

Dexter_nlb said:
this is all a misunderstanding of how tablets are supposed to work, and caused by the fact that android 2.2 is made for a phone with external memory cards, and less to nothing of internal memory.
the current installation where apps are "moved" to internal storage is actually how vendors are trying to implement 2 types of storage.
comparing this to a mobile with just sdcard, and android 2.2 only supporting one storage type, the preferred storage becomes the "internal" and sdcard handling as you notice is now pointing to a location with the internal storage location.
the mountpoint at the internal storage location is planned based on the fact that users coming from an android based mobile knows alot about where to find data, which is in the storage location, so its put as mount at the storage so its easy to access, and not actually any bug at all.
so until better handling is presented (hopefully 3.0) people will continue to think that the handling is wrong or something is not wright here, but it is correct.
your internal storage of "just" 1.5GB is the preferred location, as tablets are not meant to have sdcards as preferred storage, if you chose not to put a sdcard into the tablet. so the choice was easy, use internal storage for android so ppl didnt need to buy additional cards.
but the lack of storage internally is a vendor decision, not a bug or not "the android way" a problem in any way..
imagine, those users without any sdcard, being unable to use the feature of android to a storage, and needed to use data storage for all files, that would look strange, if you didnt have the option available..
it could have been planned differently but vendors (all of the tegra2 vendors) has chosen this path, which could have been done differently but its all relate to apps and how they expect your device to work..
a long explanation, but remember 2.2 is not made for tablets, it made for small devices with external memory cards, which is long overdue and is followed up with the new android 3.0 which hopefully solves your problem.
conclusion,
Nvidia could have chosen a different way of using android, but they're still rather new to the platform and their design is not without problems yet (honeycomb will show that too), so if they used real planning and organized memory and sdcard handling like 2.2 was made for, you would have no problems at all. Remember Nvidia designed it this way, and they are the reason you have problems..Lack of knowledge of design and functionality, like BMW trying to make graphics card for a pc, coming from designing cars, their work would not be in a class like nvidia graphics, but probably ok..but far from good..
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to answer you last question, usb to pc..
ill figure some idea out on the next update, as the tablet do support host/client usb port setup (recently confirmed), but i think you noticed the tablet don't have a port for connecting to your pc for now..
to enable the usb to pc connectivity you need a special usb cable, and software that changes the usb port mode. which can be solved, but disables the functionality of usb sticks etc, connecting to it.
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Yet another in a line of many "problems" that could have been solved by reading the information that is already here.

Action Item!! Petition to Increase Apps Partition

If you're anything like me, you're frustrated with having only 300MB of an 8GB drive available to install applications. Sure, custom firmware is a potential solution, but should we really have to void our warranties for basic, no-brainer functionality? I say no! Sign this petition, and once we have a demonstrated body of people interested, we can all make Archos aware of it.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/archosgen8
Thanks, friends.

thiazzi said:
If you're anything like me, you're frustrated with having only 300MB of an 8GB drive available to install applications. Sure, custom firmware is a potential solution, but should we really have to void our warranties for basic, no-brainer functionality? I say no! Sign this petition, and once we have a demonstrated body of people interested, we can all make Archos aware of it.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/archosgen8
Thanks, friends.
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as I wrote [EDIT] on Archosfans forum [/EDIT] 1GB is fine for the A43 and up considering the uSD slot, but max I could accept for my A32 would be to go to a max of 512MB.
I'd doubt that A28 owners would want to give ANY space up at all, but it's even more limited as far as storage goes than the A32 and I'd have to call it of questionable usefulness for apps given that I really only run apps on the A32 in a pinch. (Probably because I find the ultra low res annoying... not to mention the A28 is also further constrained by available RAM...)

Right, so an optional firmware update or modification would be ideal. I trust the folks are Archos are savvy enough to account for everybody's needs.

If you have root (Archangel works) try Move2SD Enabler.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720739
Its fantastic, read the instructions and don't move any system apps or apps using widgets.

I have installed move2sd enabler, and it definitely helps. However, if you like to read a lot like I do and have Kobo, Nook, Kindle, Aldiko, and OverDrive installed, they still leave a combined total of like 30MB+ on the system storage! That's 10 percent or more of the app partition just for books. Throw in a couple of games like Pocket Legends and Angry Birds, and you're cooked!
I wish more devs would be like the folks that made Highborn or Shadow Era, and only leave like 300KB of the original 44MB apk on system storage, but I think petitioning Archos is more likely to help our little Gen 8 community more immediately.
Thanks for the sigs, folks. We're already up over 20!

You know actually thinking about this the gTablet and many other just allocate 2GB to app storage, which I wouldn't mind either. OTOH I think that I've barely used 425MB or so max on the gTab at one time or another...
IIRC many games with "HUGE" (well for mobile devices) seem to prefer to put their data in /sdcard which depending upon device is actually the SD card(or uSD) or the leftover internal flash not assigned to system or data etc. I must admit to not having really paid attention to how the Archos tabs do it as I've left bothof mine bog standard stock fw plus various additional apps which suits me for what I use them for.
(Even my phone is stock but that's gonna have to change as it has even LESS storage for apps which is also shared for things like messaging... but I'm going to try to hold out for the next update then go to a CM7 variant that pushes apps out onto the uSD...)

Would rather they made it an option (like the FAT32/ext3 choice).
Making it compulsory and 1gb is not in everyones interests. Some users will instill no apps or very few and want all the storage for music/movies etc. Forcing 1GB apps area on them is wrong and will also mean archos are not providing the advertised storage in these users eyes.
I suggest we request they add an option to either turn on/off the larger 1GB apps area. Or have a drop down box where the user can choose apps area. Say; 300MB (Standard/Default), 500MB, 750MB, 1GB & 2GB. This way the user can choose the most suitable apps partaition size for themselves and on the flipside Archos are still providing (selling) the advertised data storage out of the box.
Not sure how but, if others agree, can we ammend this petition so we are asking archos to allow the user to select a larger apps partition either 1GB (yes/no arrangement) or select apps partition size from a small list.
Would this idea not be much better for all concerned.
Kind Regards
John

I don't support this petition and think the devs should rather spend their time with something more important. I only install the applications I need and uninstall everything I don't need. If one really needs more, then he can install Uruk.

1Gb might be a little too much : I only have the 8gb model (hopefully I have a 16Gb sd card)!

Unmensch said:
I don't support this petition and think the devs should rather spend their time with something more important. I only install the applications I need and uninstall everything I don't need. If one really needs more, then he can install Uruk.
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Even if you uninstall you will find that you are still eating up space. Furthermore, using UrukDroid voids your warranty and this shouldn't be required. The 101 was advertised with 8/16GB and no mention was included in the marketing material about the 256MB capacity for apps. This should not be an issue but it is and it is a bit peevish of you to take such a position since the worst thing that could happen in your case is a reduction of internal storage by some megabytes, which even if you were using you can make up with an SD card.

This is one of those things that bugs me about android; why cant I choose the install location? I now have 4 android devices, so I am not hating on it. I just miss all the features of Symbian and WinMo 6.5, like installing where I want. If anyone knows why they did it this way im all ears, maybe they had a reason?

Easy Answer.
There are paid Apps in the Market and the ( google ) needed a more or less easy but effective way to secure them so that stealing them is not easy.
So in the first 6 incarnations Apps are phone Memory only.
With Froyo they invented a feature where the appdev could decide that and how much of the app could be put somewhere else.
So if there would be none/less people stealing apps there would be no need for this.

no works on my 101

Pixel C Hardware Upgrades

Hey all! I found someone who's interested in trying to upgrade the RAM and eMMC of the pixel C, does anyone have broken tablets around that we can test with? Dead backlights, broken screens, whatever.
The plan is 8GB lpddr4 and 128GB eMMC 5.1, 256 possibly. eMMC should be easy, might only be able to do 6 or 4gb ram but going moonshot first because why not.
Who's with me? The tablet is still SO good especially with @michie putting out these incredible builds lately. We just need some extra dead ones to test with, pm me or post here if you're interested in helping out.

Update! 8GB RAM boots, now just need some help getting it recognized by the OS. Currently still showing 3gb in Android.

Funny, I would have expected the OS recognizes it on the spot

SigmundDroid said:
Funny, I would have expected the OS recognizes it on the spot
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I also would've thought that, did some research and apparently the bootloader has device tree lists with hardware specs for the device (can define multiple profiles) and then passes that into to kernel during initialization if I understand correctly, just need somebody who actually understands the process lol

Any progress in the RAM upgrade project?

Haven't gotten a version of the DragonShield rom flashed yet, tried and failed. Will try again soon, @michie is done with school and someone said they were able to get it flashed successfully!