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Hi,
I have a very recently purchased XDA II.
I was under the impression that the battery time was considerably improved.
Although I have turned down the backlight brightness when on battery power, it still starts to loose power when I receive or send a SMS for example.
Is this normal or do I have a duff battery ?
Steve
try turning off bluetooth when you dont use it
it's suppose to be a batt hog
Yup,
done that. I only have BT on when I am actually using my headset.
Any other idea's
Steve
when does it auto turn off ?
when does the backlight turn off ?
are there any SD cards connected seem to recall that they eat batt aswell
I've had mine a week, have the same power drain problem. After charging it all last night I managed to use it as a PDA for a total of 40 mins over a 6 hour period today before the battery drained. No phone calls were made, Bluetooth disconnected (I do have a 256 MB card installed, but I don't know if this has anything to do with it), furthermore the backlight is set to the default setting and the auto power off set to 1 min. In any case I would expect to get more than 40 mins use of the PDA, the specification states upto 15 hours.
I took the unit back to the store, they say that this is a rare problem (yeah right :roll: ), they gave me a new battery which I am now recharging, hopefully this will work.
mmmm, it's very strange.
I am doing a test now. I have a imate with the official imate upgrade. I have a gps sysonchip bt. One and half hours ago i connected the imate with the gps and i started a demo of 500 km. Now the battery is at 75%.....Maybe de last upgrade solved this problem.... :shock:
You should get far better performance than this.
Three things that can drain the power:
Communications/Peripherals - IR, bluetooth, SDIO wireless LAN etc. Disable all of them unless you're actually using them.
Processor hungry programs - check if you have anything running in the background that could prevent the device switching to full sleep mode.
Lack of radio signal - if you're out of contact with a base station, the device tries to connect at full power every 30s - a big battery drain, so if you know you're out of contact, turn off the radio.
However, even with everything running, I'd expect a running time way above 40mins, so it sounds like you have a hardware problem with your device. I easily get 3h full brightness, full processing (ie watching a movie or playing a game) with radio on.
Turn IR off?
Is there anyway to actually turn the IR off on the XDA II?
Just the Start-Settings-Connections-Beam-Receive all incoming beams checkbox.
tried the new battery today, same procedure as yesterday (no bluetooth etc), had a slightly better performance today from the new battery, managed to get roughly an hours actual use out of the PDA (games etc) over a period of... 10 hours, ooh atleast it lasted the working day so must be better... however still no way near the 15 hours PDA work time as stated on the box!
However something I have noticed is that every now and then (after switching off the unit and just leaving it on the desk) the screen comes to life displaying a running program, (just how do you turn off the media player? I now realise it isnt with the "X"). Anyway why does it "power" back up? I wonder if this has anything to do with my power problem, that perhaps it has switched back on whilst in my pocket (BTW I have set the buttons so that they do not switch the PDA on accidently)
So, I'm recharging again, (I think I might take the MMC card out see if tht makes a difference). I expect something better for my EUR 500, what is the point of being able to go online anywhere if you have to be plugged into the mains! If I can't get the damn thing to work satisfactoraily by next week then it is going back to the shop, despite it being a Gucci shiny piece of kit!
@MoistVelvet: Actually, it;s not so much the device itself but the operating systems that is the cause of a few quirks. Luckily, a lot has been written on this forum and other forums on websites such as www.ppcw.net. A lot can been improved by limiting the number of programs that can be found in the \windows\startup folder of the XDA II. I'd suggest you have a look around in the various topics. I ended up honing my XDA II to a point where I am actually very very satisfied with it's performance ...
Can someone repost the items in the windows start up folder than can be deleted and what they do on the XDA II.
I was surprised at the amount of apps in there, but dont know what I can safely delete.
Steve
Wiz,
thanks for the tip, I'll have a look around.
Well the batery did last longer yesterday, managed to get through a whole workig day before it ran out, so the jury is still out!
Realised perhaps one of the reasons why the unit would switch itself on, whilst at work I have a very low signal, so every minute or two the signal strength would go up and switch the screen on. I have set to auto switch off after 1 min, but I wonder if there is there a way to stop it from switching on?
Hm, my experience is quite different. I use it throughout the day with around 15 phone calls, at least 2 GPRS synchronisations, some other usage of contacts, calendar and email and when I get home it's still around 60 percent - the most drain appears to happen on the way back home when I use the BT headset...
When your uses so much more power you may like to check what kind of programs you use. First idea is to have a critical look at fancy today plugins... my worst experience was with Battery Pack, the best way to empty your battery :lol:
Maybe you like to use UpTime plugin (http://ae.inc.ru/uptime_t.html) which really tells you how much you actually use the PocketPC and which doesn't do anythings while it's switched off...
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Wiz,
Realised perhaps one of the reasons why the unit would switch itself on, whilst at work I have a very low signal, so every minute or two the signal strength would go up and switch the screen on.
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Actually, the reason it periodically switches on is the O2 Homezone application. Whenever your phone changes to a new base station (which can happen even if you don't move), the stupid Homezone app turns the phone on. This is a known issue, and the only known remedy is to disable the app completely (remove from Autostart folder, soft reset phone).
Cheers
Daniel
Hi
I have an xdaII, which i load loads and loads of things onto. I did find that the battery was draining quite quickly. eg. charge it all night, just leaving it running in the day with hardly any use would drain the battery by about 90 percent! Bluetooth was off etc.
One time, the thing drained completely, and it needed a hardboot. Im going to send it back shortly for investigation/repairs.
However, since it hardbooted, i have not installed a thing. And i am finding that the battery is lasting a lot longer. I managed to go 3 days, of average usage, (few incoming/outgoing calls), without charging the battery!
This makes me think some apps must cause the battery to drain. I had battery app installed (that runs in today screen). I had fonix voicedial installed. I had quite a few games installed.
I think some software was causing the battery consumption,.. possibly battery pack.
re
I have previously had problems with battery drain, due to apps running in the background.
I also found specific apps like the battery pack, LAN sdio, bluetooth and the camera app, would drain the battery quickly.
Although you can manage closing apps down through settings/system/memory/running programmes I found the app Gigatask http://gigatask.com/ a simpler way to manage tasks.
There are others, but I found this suitable for my needs.
Now when I close an app I know it's closed and not running in the background draining the battery.
I still charge daily, habit now when I get home from work, but I have no worries about battery drain, and it rarely goes lower than 65% for a normal days use.
Cheers, Shire
turning infrared beam recieve off will help a little
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I've noticed it previously during usage (like on the internet while having MSN running, or while playing games)
but I just got off a phone call which lasted about 20 minutes, and the front (and back) of my phone was just too warm for me to ignore. I would have suggested that it was the heat from my cheek against the phone but that wouldn't explain how the phone was quite noticeably warmer than my cheek.
The backlight wasn't on (i doubt the LED backlight would cause much heat anyway).
Does the mega have any internal temperature sensors like PC's have? And any software to read them?
My previous phones NEVER got this hot on even hour long calls,
and mix this with the fact that at my work one of the PDA's blew up a few weeks ago (was the battery), it just makes me that more paranoid!
I am going to Hard Reset soon anyway as things started running a little slowly recently, I hope it will also stop any hidden processes that may be running in the background and overworking the cpu. But I would still like to know of any software
Weznezz said:
I've noticed it previously during usage (like on the internet while having MSN running, or while playing games)
but I just got off a phone call which lasted about 20 minutes, and the front (and back) of my phone was just too warm for me to ignore. I would have suggested that it was the heat ..../QUOTE]
I think its pretty normal to heat up during long conversation. Their manual also says "Using any function for long time will heat up the phone", but only upto a level.
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i've never experienced warming of the phone which is coused by operating it , well maybe just a lil utube watching for an hour but it was warm of my hands , i'm only worried when i leave it charging and after 15-20 mins LOL ! the phone is HOT i know that is normal , just sharing opinion
Heat comes from 2 sources in general external and internal.
External is from sun, your hands or phone in your pocket. On longer run this is not good for battery life.
Using navigation in your car during summer can run your phone real hot and feels quite uncomfortable! From a 20 min call it should not. But this is subjective.
Internal heat is caused when your processor has to work hard; like when several programs running and processes in back ground. You can check and kill them with task manager (FDC soft task manager) and batteryguard. Also soft reset kills most "unwanted" processes. A good indication for high level of processor activity is when your battery level goes quickly down.
Its normal mate, on mine when i use GPS for long time it does the same, processor works hard and battery gets hot.
Not sure if navigation alone causes your battery to run hot. Since navigation can run on 200Mhz processors and Mega processor has much higher clock speed it is overspecified.
The influence of phone close to windscreen and therefor impact of light/sun may be much bigger. When I run navigation (TomTom) in winter phone stays nicely "cool".
Not sure if it could help but once i noticed the Mega too warm and discharging instead of charging, after i connected it to the notebook via usb cable!
Rebooted PC and HTC and everything luckly returned normal...
gfreeman86 said:
Not sure if it could help but once i noticed the Mega too warm and discharging instead of charging, after i connected it to the notebook via usb cable!
Rebooted PC and HTC and everything luckly returned normal...
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Indeed a soft reset in most cases solves this.
How much percentage does your battery use in standby with edge and airplane mode (no connections)
Kumar's Rom V2.1 Premium
Radio: 2.11.50.20
Standby with only edge and I loose 10% in 8 hours.
Standby airplane mode I loose 8% in 8 hours.
Leave your phone on standby all night and post your results
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How much percentage does your battery use in standby with edge and airplane mode (no connections)
Kumar's Rom V2.1 Premium
Radio: 2.11.50.20
Standby with only edge and I loose 10% in 8 hours.
Standby airplane mode I loose 8% in 8 hours.
Leave your phone on standby all night and post your results
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I'll test it tonight and let you how. However, I would expect it to drain slower than that in airplane mode, especially if the screen is left off. I put my TP2 in airplane mode to do the same test back when I first got my HD2, and the battery lasted for over 17 days before dying
Yeah.
I think I shall alternate radios and post results. But I don't think I would get different results if its in airplane mode due that it won't be looking for a signal. But who knows maybe it makes a difference.
I would think it would last a very long time, maybe over a week between charges if it was in airplane mode, and in sleep mode the entire time.
In sleep mode the CPU should be in a suspended mode, maybe waking occasionally to check for things like upcoming appointments. The only thing really consuming power would be the RAM. the type of RAM could extend the battery even more. DRAM has to be constantly refreshed, so you have the RAM chips and memory controller eating up power refreshing it constantly. If its SRAM, it can run for a VERY long time on very little power. I'm not sure if the HD2 had DRAM or SRAM, likely its DRAM though
I have a 4MB PCMCIA SRAM card that can hold its contents for a few years using the small CR2025 button cell in the card. DRAM would probably drain a button cell in a few hours.
Ok...some interesting results:
I tested this last night by charging my HD2 all the way to 100% just before bed, and then letting it sit on my desk all night in airplane mode, with the screen off....
7 hours later, the batt had drained 7%
As d0ug mentioned, this is FAR faster of a drain that we should expect when running the phone with all the radios completely off like that...in fact, it's about 4x the rate of drain (percentage of total capacity vs time) that I got on my TP2 when running the same experiment.
So, my conclusion is that there's obviously something on the phone that's running down the battery besides the usual suspects, and nothing obvious I can see or think of offhand.
ahh thanks for the info. Hmmm that throws the 490 hrs in standby that is advertised of the window. But with the 1 ghz processor I am guessing 100 hrs in standby is good. Also I read that some HD2s drain slower after 50%
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ahh thanks for the info. Hmmm that throws the 490 hrs in standby that is advertised of the window. But with the 1 ghz processor I am guessing 100 hrs in standby is good. Also I read that some HD2s drain slower after 50%
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It still seems too fast to me, for the drain when the radios is off. I'm going to repeat the experiment for the next couple of nights...I think tonight I'll take the SD card out (as well as leaving it in airplane mode) and see if that makes any difference.
What raises the red flag for me is that the rate of drain I saw last night isn't significantly less than what I see when I leave the radios on all night, and in full 3G
Sounds to me like the processor is not going completely to sleep, When i say to sleep i literally mean the processor clock being stopped. Ideally that's what it should be doing until something like an incoming call, message, appointment, etc triggers an interrupt to wake the processor
As we already know from the overclocking util that exists, the HD2 does not run 1ghz all the time. The processor speed steps depending on demand. when its on but idle the processor clock is suspected to have dropped down somewhere in the 100-200mhz range, but a bug in that software does not display the actual processor speed in the lowest range.
I wonder if the processor is constantly on at that 100-200mhz rate even while asleep? or its just some very power hungry ram being refreshed? 576mb is a lot of ram cells to be refreshing several times a second to keep the data in them valid.
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Sounds to me like the processor is not going completely to sleep, When i say to sleep i literally mean the processor clock being stopped. Ideally that's what it should be doing until something like an incoming call, message, appointment, etc triggers an interrupt to wake the processor
As we already know from the overclocking util that exists, the HD2 does not run 1ghz all the time. The processor speed steps depending on demand. when its on but idle the processor clock is suspected to have dropped down somewhere in the 100-200mhz range, but a bug in that software does not display the actual processor speed in the lowest range.
I wonder if the processor is constantly on at that 100-200mhz rate even while asleep? or its just some very power hungry ram being refreshed? 576mb is a lot of ram cells to be refreshing several times a second to keep the data in them valid.
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I suspect the same, that the proc or memory are still drawing a surprisingly large amount of current when the phone is "idle". I don't know if it's also possible that there's something keeping power fed to the SD card at that time, tonight's test will confirm or deny that theory.
Wherever the draw is, it's obviously something unique to this phone, so I guess it could even be related to the way the hardware drivers are handling *something*..??
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I suspect the same, that the proc or memory are still drawing a surprisingly large amount of current when the phone is "idle". I don't know if it's also possible that there's something keeping power fed to the SD card at that time, tonight's test will confirm or deny that theory.
Wherever the draw is, it's obviously something unique to this phone, so I guess it could even be related to the way the hardware drivers are handling *something*..??
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The results of your test will be interesting, but i highly suspect that its not the SD card. there should be very little current draw from an idle SD card. Flash memory needs no power to retain its contents, so the only power an idle SD card should be consuming is whatever is needed to power the flash controller enough to sit and wait for a read/write command.
Of course that doesn't mean that the firmware on the controller of particular SD cards isn't faulty causing a huge power draw, of even an installed app on the phone constantly reading/writing something on the SD card.
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Of course that doesn't mean that the firmware on the controller of particular SD cards isn't faulty causing a huge power draw, of even an installed app on the phone constantly reading/writing something on the SD card.
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Bingo and bingo, that's exactly what I want to eliminate first before looking for other causes. By chance, is there a way to look at the actual current draw on the batt in real time?
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Bingo and bingo, that's exactly what I want to eliminate first before looking for other causes. By chance, is there a way to look at the actual current draw on the batt in real time?
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sure, you would need to find some way to get some jumper wires in between the battery and the HD2 so that you could put a multimeter in between the battery and HD2. then you could see the MA being drawn from the battery in realtime on the
you might be able to get creative with a piece of paper with a layer of foil on each side that doesnt touch eachother. you would insert this between the HD2 contact and battery for only one of the contacts. you could then use alligator clips to connect the multimeter by clamping the paper, but insulating the opposite side of each clip so that you dont create a short that can route around the meter
There used to be a battery monitor software i used on my old wizard that would also show the ma being consumed, updated every 10 sec or so. I dont remember what the software was called and im pretty sure it was probably hardware specific for the omap chipset in that phone
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sure, you would need to find some way to get some jumper wires in between the battery and the HD2 so that you could put a multimeter in between the battery and HD2. then you could see the MA being drawn from the battery in realtime on the
you might be able to get creative with a piece of paper with a layer of foil on each side that doesnt touch eachother. you would insert this between the HD2 contact and battery for only one of the contacts. you could then use alligator clips to connect the multimeter by clamping the paper, but insulating the opposite side of each clip so that you dont create a short that can route around the meter
There used to be a battery monitor software i used on my old wizard that would also show the ma being consumed, updated every 10 sec or so. I dont remember what the software was called and im pretty sure it was probably hardware specific for the omap chipset in that phone
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LOL ok yes I guess that's one way to achieve that I confess I was more just hoping that the batt's circuitry registered/reported the draw in way that could be queried through a driver, etc. I think I'd seen the same app you're referring to back when I had my wizard, but other than using it to maybe point us in the right direction it probably wouldn't be of any use otherwise on this hardware.
So, I did run the test last night w/o the SD card installed, and it actually looks like it did indeed drain slower that way...only about 2% (+/- .5) over the same 7 hour period. However, this just means I want to go back and test it a little more thoroughly that way now, and then with the card in again, just to repeat/validate these results.
However, if it does indeed bear out that the background drain is significantly less with the card removed...I guess that might mean that having the card inserted prevents the proc from idling down as much..?? Not sure of the best way to test/isolate that.
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LOL ok yes I guess that's one way to achieve that I confess I was more just hoping that the batt's circuitry registered/reported the draw in way that could be queried through a driver, etc. I think I'd seen the same app you're referring to back when I had my wizard, but other than using it to maybe point us in the right direction it probably wouldn't be of any use otherwise on this hardware.
So, I did run the test last night w/o the SD card installed, and it actually looks like it did indeed drain slower that way...only about 2% (+/- .5) over the same 7 hour period. However, this just means I want to go back and test it a little more thoroughly that way now, and then with the card in again, just to repeat/validate these results.
However, if it does indeed bear out that the background drain is significantly less with the card removed...I guess that might mean that having the card inserted prevents the proc from idling down as much..?? Not sure of the best way to test/isolate that.
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Yeah now that I think of it, that utility was also an overclocking util for the wizard, so it was most like only going to work on the wizard, or at least only phones using that same omap chip.
Interesting the SD card consumes that much power, are you using the stock 16gig or another card? I wonder if different cards produce different results? Im still using my stock 16gig here, been thinking bout upgrading to a class 6, but i kinda want to get a 32gig card too, but those aren't available in class 6 yet.
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Yeah now that I think of it, that utility was also an overclocking util for the wizard, so it was most like only going to work on the wizard, or at least only phones using that same omap chip.
Interesting the SD card consumes that much power, are you using the stock 16gig or another card? I wonder if different cards produce different results? Im still using my stock 16gig here, been thinking bout upgrading to a class 6, but i kinda want to get a 32gig card too, but those aren't available in class 6 yet.
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Yes, stock 16GB card. Although, I'd never reformatted it since I bought the phone, but I did last night before I pulled it out for the test. I'm watching the drain through the day today to see if that has any effect during normal use, for now anyway. I'll be running the overnight test a few more times w and w/o the card.
Ah interesting. Last night I charged my phone to 100% and left the 3G on and it drained about 10% in 8 hours which is the same on edge. I also notice that when I used the 3g in the morning I saw the 3g icon on top connecting to the network. I am guessing it goes to standby when not being used for a time. I also switched from 3g to edge everytime I wanted to use the internet but am considering to just leave it on 3g due that I think it consumes more power changing the connection everytime I want to use 3g.
Well I guess we need a tweak to put the processor to real standby when the phone's screen has been off for a long time.
I usually charge it before I go to sleep and not leave it on the charger. When I wake up about 6.5 hours later it usually reads 97%. So it drains 3% in over 6 hours. Not too bad. I'm not in airline mode but my data is off since I'm on prepaid. Wifi and phone are on but I think wifi switches off when it goes to standby. My activesync is also set to manual so no downloading during the night.
buzz killington what radio and rom do you use?
I'm using the stock rom and radio without the update.
Rom: 2.10.531.1 (82076)
Radio: 2.08.50.08_2
I should probably add, when I had the activesync on, I'd wake up and it'd have 93%, so it seems activesync uses quite a bit of power.
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I'm using the stock rom and radio without the update.
Rom: 2.10.531.1 (82076)
Radio: 2.08.50.08_2
I should probably add, when I had the activesync on, I'd wake up and it'd have 93%, so it seems activesync uses quite a bit of power.
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Hey buzz...you were using activesync over wifi, do I have that correct?
Hi All,
I recently purchased a DVP8 and I love this thing. Problem is, it suffers from wifi issues in that once it goes to sleep, the wifi automatically goes to "limited" and I need to retoggle the wifi setting to get it connected. I've tried all kinds of fixes - uninstall windows updates and reinstalling drivers, but to no avail.
So I basically said screw it, and set "sleep mode" to never on the power management option, and no more wifi issues. Seems like the wifi doesn't reactive properly when coming out to sleep mode. My question is - will this damage the tablet in the long run? In terms of battery life, I would think the main factor is the screen on time. I can just turn the screen off with a tap of the power button. Is there really that big of a difference?
Thanks!
Pretty sure on tablets like the DVP8, tapping Power is the same as letting it go into Sleep through inactivity (called "Connected Standby"). Most Atom tablets don't have a different sleep mode than that, not even just turning the screen off. I haven't checked on the DVP8 specifically, though; maybe it's different from the others...
It won't damage the tablet to stay on all the time, so long as you aren't running the battery all the way down. That does damage it, a bit.
I had an AutoPumpkin RK3188 in my last car that I recently sold. I loved the HU, but I could not stand the 30-second startup time. An aftermarket radio should be like the stock one, instant-on.
The last time I *****ed on here about it, I was told "well, that's a normal amount of time for an Android device to boot." I call BS that the head unit should have to 'boot' at all, except when power is first applied. I can put my phone, with a tiny battery, on standby and get 7+ days of standby time, and still get instant-on as soon as I press the power button. With a car battery to draw on, the Android units should be able to go into low power for months without draining the battery. It's just a matter of turning off all the accessories like amplifiers and radios when the unit stands-by (say, by internally powering them from the ignition line instead of the always-hot line, or via a relay triggered by the ign).
So, has any manufacturer gotten to the point where the Android standby mode is properly implemented, and turning on the key brings the unit out of standby immediately? I've been looking through some threads and it looks like it's more of the same, even here more than a year later.
i dont think anyone has that. Someone on here made a ROM for the S160 from RoadNavi that I think shaves the time down to close to 20 seconds, but that is about the best. The new Ownice claimed to have like a 48 hour standby, but I dont know that anyone actually tried it.
I have a Joying MTCD, and I just use my Remote Start as I'm walking up, so it is up and running when I get in
Look at the flyaudio carstereos. There are YouTube video's about it. These carstereos Run @ a snapdragon processor and can Go in to a Sleep mode for days / weeks.
Mine having an MCU: 2016-04-25 10:38:12 KEQ_60_C6R_7706_5006_CAN(DaZhongWC)_Newlap
Starts almost instantaneously. The most wait time I had to make is about 10 seconds prior to boot. And that only occurs when I've left the car for days. If I'll use the car overnight there's no wait time even.
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Look at the flyaudio carstereos. There are YouTube video's about it. These carstereos Run @ a snapdragon processor and can Go in to a Sleep mode for days / weeks.
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Those don't look like Android headunits, though. That's important to me.
Thanks all, it looks like they're getting closer but not quite there yet. I'll be patient.
Yep, it's exactly 36 seconds for me. Of course you can set it up how long to stay in stand-by mode so that it comes up instantly, but the limit is 2 hours. This does not bother me so much ever since I installed a backup camera. It doesn't need to wait for the unit to boot to work. Since I always back out of my garage, this shaves off about 10 seconds out of the wait time.
You can always get a Win8 unit - it does not have this long boot time. But the bigger problem is that it is Win8!