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So, I didn't bother to buy a case for my Focus, figuring I had the insurance anyway. Well, a buddy of mine was playing with it and had it in his pocket while we went to the store. Got out of the car and BAM! Face down, glass shattered. What I didn't realize until a day later is that it also ceased charging after that, so now it's completely dead. Luckily the insurance will replace it, but the process is a pain in the ass (they want a notarized affidavit) so I'll be without a phone for a few days.
On the bright side, I did find a new, nice, clear hard case on eBay for $6 shipped, so...bonus, I guess. Bummer the thing is so fragile, though, it's like iPhone 4 all over again
That's true. Samsung is making some great hardware right now, but their thin and lightness comes at a cost. I'm surprised the glass is what broke though, because I thought Samsung had used Gorilla Glass.
It's some of the toughest glass in the world. This article on Engadget has a video that proves as much:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/dell-streaks-gorilla-glass-screen-torture-tested-for-your-amus/
iPhones use Gorilla Glass, too, and they shatter constantly. It's just better than regular glass.
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iPhones use Gorilla Glass, too, and they shatter constantly. It's just better than regular glass.
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yes and Glass is GLASS, knock a corner and it will crack no matter what!
Yeah that's true. Glass is still glass, so I guess if the phone was hit hard enough it would probably break. That sucks dude.
So, any thoughts about gorilla glass? Today my 2week old dvp shattered. Yes, I dropped it. But, I've dropped phones before with no damage .
I ordered s new one while I fight to get a replacement. Low expectations on that. However I'm thinking my expectations on gorilla glass may have been too high.
Anyone with s more correct expectation level willing to reset mine?
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So, any thoughts about gorilla glass? Today my 2week old dvp shattered. Yes, I dropped it. But, I've dropped phones before with no damage .
I ordered s new one while I fight to get a replacement. Low expectations on that. However I'm thinking my expectations on gorilla glass may have been too high.
Anyone with s more correct expectation level willing to reset mine?
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technically your gorilla glass didnt shatter you had a bad drop and the glass layer under the gorrila broke. trust me ive taken a hammer to the top layer and nothing. if you drop the phone with the screen facing down then your ok. but drop it on the sides or the back and you can get the layers under the gorilla to break
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technically your gorilla glass didnt shatter you had a bad drop and the glass layer under the gorrila broke. trust me ive taken a hammer to the top layer and nothing. if you drop the phone with the screen facing down then your ok. but drop it on the sides or the back and you can get the layers under the gorilla to break
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no, it shattered. Top, bottom, and every layer in between. I cut myself on the pieces falling off. I do have a pic I'll share later. I thought it landed face down...loohed like it. But the break pattern indicated more towards the edge. Funny thing though, I was also holding my hd2 at the same time..both dropped togethr. One on top of the other. Both broke, indicating the drop was similar to what you day.
The Dell shattered completely, inner and putter layers. Only a tiny part of the screen is alive. The hd2 has cracks, but is usable.
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no, it shattered. Top, bottom, and every layer in between. I cut myself on the pieces falling off. I do have a pic I'll share later. I thought it landed face down...loohed like it. But the break pattern indicated more towards the edge. Funny thing though, I was also holding my hd2 at the same time..both dropped togethr. One on top of the other. Both broke, indicating the drop was similar to what you day.
The Dell shattered completely, inner and putter layers. Only a tiny part of the screen is alive. The hd2 has cracks, but is usable.
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oh wow can you seperate the gorilla glass from the phone. i mean youll most likely get a replacement mines is coming today the shipped it overnight my battery exploded lol backcover melted its not nice
it would be nice if you provide some details pictures.
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technically your gorilla glass didnt shatter you had a bad drop and the glass layer under the gorrila broke. trust me ive taken a hammer to the top layer and nothing. if you drop the phone with the screen facing down then your ok. but drop it on the sides or the back and you can get the layers under the gorilla to break
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I dropped the phone glass first on a pavement, it had a screen protector. Though the screen didn't break nor are there any scratches but it did get a pin point dent on the glass
I guess if they are not sure about the amount of RAM they put in this phone who is to say if this is a real gorilla glass.
Just curious, the hammer thing you did, was it on a DVP?
I read an article somewhere that said that gorilla glass is only strongest when it is at the center and it is not as good at the edges.
I've seen all Gorilla Glass demo's done hitting it in the middle. I've seen just about every single break happen because of edge damage.
This should be addressed IMO.
My DVP has scratches all over the screen...Scratch resistent my butt..
Good thing I'm getting my replacement today
i keep my DVP in my pocket all the time and the glass doesn't have a single scratch.
bbowman said:
i keep my DVP in my pocket all the time and the glass doesn't have a single scratch.
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Same here.
millerliteguy said:
My DVP has scratches all over the screen...Scratch resistent my butt..
Good thing I'm getting my replacement today
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personally i got one scratch from keeping it in my pocket and several scratches from this one time where i dropped it
and engadget had several scratches on the venue
so some people get lucky and some dont as far as gorrilla glass goes
I had the displeasure of owning the DVP and thought the glass was atrocious. The curved design made it hard to scroll smoothly. And godforbid you try and wipe away smudge prints and dirt - this was a task in itself. However, I dropped it face first from 1 and half feet and not one scratch.
I abuse my phones and the best to take my abuse was my Dash 3G. The DVP is comparable. Only 2 light scratches and i got my phone a week before christmas and did i mention i abuse my phones. They are kept in my pocket with keys and such. Even the chrome trim has held up nice. As for the curved glass i like it.. Very tactile, and easy to use. maybe its my big hands but I like it, even the keys are spaced well and robust. Again, i have huge hands and the on screen keyboard doesnt work for me, but the portrait works well.
I've dropped mine a few times, not a scratch. Just yesterday, my car holster decided to let go of the dashboard, causing the DVP (with a little extra weight attached) to faceplant into my shifter pretty hard. No problems there either.
got my phone a few days ago, dropped it my first time today and the glass shattered
what can I do? I am very disappointed in myself....
I cannot find any replacement parts, I cannot find any repair shops for it... should I sell it as is, or call dell? IDK what to do... it still works fine just has a very ugly screen
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got my phone a few days ago, dropped it my first time today and the glass shattered
what can I do? I am very disappointed in myself....
I cannot find any replacement parts, I cannot find any repair shops for it... should I sell it as is, or call dell? IDK what to do... it still works fine just has a very ugly screen
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if you go to the Dell community site, they will tell you there is nothing they will do. I have a new one, paid for out of my pocket.
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if you go to the Dell community site, they will tell you there is nothing they will do. I have a new one, paid for out of my pocket.
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dell charged me 249.99 to send me a replacement device...
a cracked screen is considered out of warranty (I think it also includes any physical damage as well...not sure about that part though)
Well no one ever said Gorilla Glass wasn't glass... It is tougher than normal glass against scratches, but it isn't scratch proof nor is it shatter proof.
Remember it is still glass and that means it will break under the right conditions.
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Well no one ever said Gorilla Glass wasn't glass... It is tougher than normal glass against scratches, but it isn't scratch proof nor is it shatter proof.
Remember it is still glass and that means it will break under the right conditions.
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yea, sucks because it seems as though they could come up with a better more shatter proof solution....
I heard that the Samsung Focus had corning gorilla glass and hearing this I decided a screen protector wouldn't be needed (gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch resistant isn't it?). I'm the type of person who takes extra steps to protect his gadgets. I always hold my phone with a firm grip, I have a dedicated pocket for it (no keys or coins with it) and I never drop it. Recently I've noticed some scratches appearing on the front screen of my Focus. Most of them aren't very noticeable, but one in particular can be seen plain as day and is infuriating. Like I said, I don't have anything in my pockets, I've never dropped it and I want to know how these scratches appear on "scratch resistant" glass if nothing but my fingers and cloth are touching it.
If the Focus doesn't have the gorilla glass/gorilla glass isn't scratch resistant I will delete this thread in shame of my lack of knowledge
the zune HD has gorilla glass and I have a zune and a focus. I am reasonably sure the focus isnt gorilla glass, taps like plastic and scratches relatively easy. my zune has very little scratches after 8 months of abuse sharing pockets w/ keys; only one day with my focus in my pocket with my wallet i have scratches.
It does really seem like plastic. Or maybe really thin, versatile glass.
I asked Samsung via twitter on November 9th and they confirmed it
"the Focus does have Gorilla Glass. Thanks for reaching out to us, we're happy to help. ^Sab"
Just found this and it says the Samsung Focus does have gorilla glass.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/get-to-know-the-samsung-focus-with-windows-phone-7
Is it possible I got a bad unit? Or is it possible Samsung is just using the weakest gorilla glass?
EDIT: Dang, same time post
Samsung claims that the Focus has Gorilla Glass, so I guess you can just take their word for it. The Gorilla Glass might be underneath the plastic layer Samsung used. I think the Vibrant and European Galaxy S are the same way.
Here's a link to Samsung's official site Q&A about the Focus and if you scroll down you'll find that they confirmed it has Gorilla Glass. Click here. Also an official SamsungUSA rep on Twitter confirmed Gorilla Glass when he was asked. Click here.
Also, if you want to see a stress test of the Galaxy S' Gorilla Glass, check out this video (not in English but you get the gist of it). Click here.
I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
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I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
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Usually I get a case, but I haven't found anything to appealing yet (I like for my phone to look good). Also I try to keep it in the best condition so when I go to resell it I get maximum value
The screen feels identical withmy Captivate...
yes it is gorilla glass... ive put a few in already and can confirm.. plus i called samsung to be double sure...
huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
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huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
glass scratches.. bottom line..
gorilla glass is just harder to scratch and is a tougher glass overall so it can be made thinner than other glass digitizers...
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
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They probably have another layer over the Gorilla glass.
The Focus's screen really feels like plastic. It's just not as solid as, say, the iPhone 4 (which is said to use Gorilla glass for the front.) Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
I do not have a case or a screen protector on my Focus and don't have a single scratch on the screen and only a few micro scuffs on the plastic battery cover. I am generally careful with my gadgets, but I have carried this phone with me every day since Nov 8th and both of my young children play with it on a regular basis, and still nothing. Thankfully I have not dropped it screen side down on any hard surfaces (knock on wood)!
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Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
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It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
I can tell you from personal experience that a Focus screen will not survive a 3 foot fall on its face to concrete. And it is very very much made of glass.
But it seems relatively scratch resistant : )
Have you guys seen the youtube video of a guy testing out the glass screen of the focus? He's literally stabbing the phone with a screwdriver and smacking it with the handle and there was no scratches on the phone afterwards.
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It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
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It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
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It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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You'd have to talk to them, but I doubt it. Usually physical wear and tear isn't really covered. But couldn't you return it and then buy another one?
I'm assuming you got the scratch when the phone landed screen-down on the floor mat of the car. There are usually tiny rocks and some are bound to be more solid than the glass, thus the tiny scratch. So 'unlucky' then, I suppose.
I dropped my GS2 on a gravel road from about chest high, glass side down. I picked it up and the screen was completely dusty and horrible looking and I said UhOh. I got a microfiber cloth and wiped off the phone after blowing as much as possible of the screen. Got it all wiped off, and in direct sunlight at every angle, not a single scratch, blemish, pit, nothing lol. I have a slim gel on the phone, but the screen is naked. Whew!
Cool!
Peep peep.
It's called Gorilla Glass for a reason - gorillas are well known for their high resistance to being dropped by humans onto gravel.
I liked that someone experimented with Gorilla Glass
Swore I was going to read chest pains followed by back to back heart attacks until death.
Glad to hear it's ok.
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It's called Gorilla Glass for a reason - gorillas are well known for their high resistance to being dropped by humans onto gravel.
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WINNING ^^
Yeah I decided to forego the cases and the screen protectors after seeing some videos (not produced by screen protector sellers).
I was using Reallook but it got to slimy and even carrying the phone in my pocket with keys, only the plastic edges gets a little nicked. My Captivate's screen never had a scratch and I am the most un anal person when it comes to worrying about scratches on the body of the handset. Under everyday conditions the glass really is scratch resistant and I would say scratch proof in a pocket with keys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-dw04tNgpA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5WRQuvaA4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVxj6gRYwS0&feature=related
I was expecting more from this thread.
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I've seen reports of screens cracked, so i wouldn't jump for joy just cause someone got lucky and his screen is still intact after dropping the phone. Also reports of scratches on the screen. So i advice people not to start playing football with their SII after reading this thread
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I've seen reports of screens cracked, so i wouldn't jump for joy just cause someone got lucky and his screen is still intact after dropping the phone. Also reports of scratches on the screen. So i advice people not to start playing football with their SII after reading this thread
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+1. Dropping your phone to confirm its.durability is not big or clever.
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yes i got lucky, and could of also put a weak spot in the glass, and the next drop might not be so lucky.
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yes i got lucky, and could of also put a weak spot in the glass, and the next drop might not be so lucky.
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Gorilla glass is good stuff......The "screen protector" makers are so scared of it they are posting questionable videos on YouTube of how "easy" it is to scratch. "fear" is a great advertising tactic and sells a lot of things. In fact the glass is amazingly resistant to scratching.
I would be more worried about the interior circuitry shock on a drop than the glass.
As long as HTC is in business, the screen protector people will be too. You can look at an HTC screen wrong and scratch it.
You are very lucky. Its a different story if you drop it in the sea or fall in with it in your pocket
Put it this way I've got a very expensive piece of gorilla glass for a coaster. Ohh and a spare battery that I'm too scared to use :-(
I must admit I got a zagg invisishield screen protector and it is awful. Wonder why they bothered ohh try money.
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I dropped a galaxy S1 from about waist high onto concrete. it bounced about 5 times before come to rest face down.
The LCD screen under the glass was cracked into 20 different pieces. But the glass itself - not even a single scratch. You had to hold at it an angle to see the broken lcd pieces. So while the gorilla glass is strong, the screen inside itself is pretty flaky, so dont be droppin it!
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I dropped a galaxy S1 from about waist high onto concrete. it bounced about 5 times before come to rest face down.
The LCD screen under the glass was cracked into 20 different pieces. But the glass itself - not even a single scratch. You had to hold at it an angle to see the broken lcd pieces. So while the gorilla glass is strong, the screen inside itself is pretty flaky, so dont be droppin it!
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Yeah Thats what I am talking about....The glass is like Pyrex...maybe even stronger. The interior parts are the issue with drops. That's where those thick soft silicone cases help out but I don't care for cases as the ones that could really protect the phone make it too bulky and the thin cases are a waste and only prevent scratches and nicks around the edges. I don;t worry about those. Never used the same phone for more than a couple years if that long. The back cover can be folded in half and if ever needed replaced easily.
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As long as HTC is in business, the screen protector people will be too. You can look at an HTC screen wrong and scratch it.
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That's nonsense, they scratch just as easily as the sgs2, I will let you decide how easily that is since most htc devices also use gorilla glass
ok guys i really need some advice, i have had my phone for 4 days i have been very careful with it waiting for my otterbox case to be sent out. i have not dropped it one time and it has about 6 small scratches on it in which 1 is deep enough to actually feel with my finger nail. i dont keep it near my keys at all and it kept in my side pocket with nothing else touching it. please help
*UPDATE*
Contacted best buy (where i bought the phone) i was told by a best buy rep that i could exchange the phone for another one within the 30 day period
THANK GOD!!!!
If you have a Ghost Armor kiosk by you, i would get their screen protector. I had hairline scratches on my One X, and the Ghost Armor fills in the scratches when they put it on. That should mask it for you.
Maybe you have a ghost that prefers HTC. Yup, like he said, get some ghost armor.
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thats not the point though, gorilla glass is scratch resistant meaning it cant be scratched. there is videos of people on youtube stabbing their s3 with a knife and it not scratching
maybe its suicidal and was trying to cut itself.
Phone has gorilla glass, you came into contact with something to scratch it...even old school screens weren't THAT easy to scratch.
sucks, but be more careful and maybe get a screen protector before making wild accusations.
and since when does scratch resistant mean scratch PROOF ?
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thats not the point though, gorilla glass is scratch resistant meaning it cant be scratched. there is videos of people on youtube stabbing their s3 with a knife and it not scratching
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Scratch resistant does not mean scratch PROOF. Sand will reek havoc on glass screens, gorilla glass included.
Scratch resistant is not scratch proof. Drag anything harder than it across and it will scratch.
its been in my pocket all day..... i dont even live near sand hahaha. i mean should i demand a new one? or just enjoy the scratch for the next 2 years.....
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thats not the point though, gorilla glass is scratch resistant meaning it cant be scratched. there is videos of people on youtube stabbing their s3 with a knife and it not scratching
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So you're saying out of the millions of devices produced, you got the ONE device without gorilla glass? I'd say it's much more likely it came into contact with sand or something similar.
And no, scratch resistant doesn't mean it can't be scratched. It means it's resistant to scratches, not impervious.
edit: wow, beat to the punch super fast lol.
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So you're saying out of the millions of devices produced, you got the ONE device without gorilla glass? I'd say it's much more likely it came into contact with sand or something similar.
And no, scratch resistant doesn't mean it can't be scratched. It means it's resistant to scratches, not impervious.
edit: wow, beat to the punch super fast lol.
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Sometimes it can be faulty. My Asus Transformer Prime had faulty gorilla glass, even the cleaning cloth that came with it caused scratches. Took it to Best Buy and the CSR who was trying to teach me to use a cleaning cloth scratched the screen. Got it rma'd and not a single scratch after 5 months. Worth the effort to see if you can get it replaced.
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Awesome, so i just got off the phone with samsung and they said they havent had any known issues about this but they have had faulty gorilla glass in the past. She wanted me to send the phone in they would replace it. but i really dont want to not have a phone for 10 business days. im going to contact best buy and see what they can do for me
How the hell could we help?
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I carry my phone in my pocket. I've carried it in my pocket wrapped in a microfiber towel since I got in last Friday. My wife laughed at me as she knows how I am with my electronics. Luckily, my SGP screen protectors showed up today. I got it installed and am glad I was able to make it without any scratches. I know, sick dude.
I'm in the same boat as you. The first day I got my phone I got a scratch about an inch long and I wasn't carrying it around with me or anything cause I didn't activate it. I wanted to get a screen saver before I got it activated. So as soon as sprint gets some in stock I'm gonna take it in and see what they can do for me.
I never used a screen protector with my infuse , I would shove tools in the same pocket , screw drivers , pliers etc... not a single scratch. Though the infuse had gg1. I won't be as careless with my sgs 3 for a while though.
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If you carry a phone in your pocket without protection, you're asking for trouble. You might go a long period of time with no problems, but all it takes is for one day, you have a grain of sand in your pocket and voila...a scratch.
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thats not the point though, gorilla glass is scratch resistant meaning it cant be scratched. there is videos of people on youtube stabbing their s3 with a knife and it not scratching
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I must have not paid attention to English class, cause I swear that being resistant to something doesn't mean it's immune to something...
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I must have not paid attention to English class, cause I swear that being resistant to something doesn't mean it's immune to something...
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Must have failed Earth Science class/science class as well.
If a object is harder it won't be scratched by a softer object EVER.. But silca in sand is harder then the glass and will scratch it.
Pictures or it didn't happen
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Must have failed Earth Science class/science class as well.
If a object is harder it won't be scratched by a softer object EVER.. But silca in sand is harder then the glass and will scratch it.
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but doesnt melted silica make glass?????????????
Mind = blown.... :cyclops::good: