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Is there a SINGLE rom that will work properly?

Hello XDA'ers.
First let me say that this will be somewhat a post about frustration with Android devices, but it's not meant to be misconstrued as disrespect to those who contribute to the development community. I know you guys work hard at this and I do appreciate your efforts. Your ROMs have been lightyears ahead of what Samsung stock offers.
But with that said, here's my question: is there a single rom that will work properly, is stable, wont crash, etc? I have been through over a dozen different ROMs across two devices, and there's always been something small or large wrong with them. The one I'm using on my i9505 right now is by Antares One and yesterday it decided to show me three or four notifications that "Google Play Services has stopped working" per minute and today none of my SMS messages are being sent.
But it's not limited that, rather, there's always been something or other that the Android ROM didn't like, or I had to find a workaround, or had to completely reflash with something else.
Has anyone experienced this? Why can't Android just be a stable OS? I'm really thinking about switching to a Microsoft phone for my next upgrade.
DJ

Even stock roms have their problems and stability issues. If you look through the Q&A section you'll find several threads about stock rom issues.
It's not Android's fault entirely. It has to do with the phone too. Roms on my device are always stable. Yet another user running the same rom on the same device has various problems.
I am currently running AOSP Marshmallow by the JDCTeam, no problems. Bluetooth works, wifi works, mobile data works, battery is fine (I went to sleep with 70% left and when I woke up 8 hours later it still was at 70%).

the problem here is the impossible fix of many problems by developers..why? many developers are not soft engineer and maybe they dont even know how to program just know how to port and replace files and thats all..a big team for every single phone are just impossible..
so a stable rom will never come..just find the one "flawless" and keep it..
for me the stable roms are not cm..or aosp..stock rom debloated are very stable..like s6 port to s4 and debloated..is a good one

Use stock ROM for stability. Although they are not fast as AOSP but they dont exhibit strange behaviors.
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

DJRepresent said:
Hello XDA'ers.
First let me say that this will be somewhat a post about frustration with Android devices, but it's not meant to be misconstrued as disrespect to those who contribute to the development community. I know you guys work hard at this and I do appreciate your efforts. Your ROMs have been lightyears ahead of what Samsung stock offers.
But with that said, here's my question: is there a single rom that will work properly, is stable, wont crash, etc? I have been through over a dozen different ROMs across two devices, and there's always been something small or large wrong with them. The one I'm using on my i9505 right now is by Antares One and yesterday it decided to show me three or four notifications that "Google Play Services has stopped working" per minute and today none of my SMS messages are being sent.
But it's not limited that, rather, there's always been something or other that the Android ROM didn't like, or I had to find a workaround, or had to completely reflash with something else.
Has anyone experienced this? Why can't Android just be a stable OS? I'm really thinking about switching to a Microsoft phone for my next upgrade.
DJ
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Like GDReaper said in his post. For us those roms run perfectly fine. Sure there are bugs, but most issues are known before you decide to flash the rom. Besides the obvious bugs that are present there is also the user. A lot of problems are caused by inexperienced users. They don't know how to set up their phone, they flash shady apps, or use modifycations of their own (Xposed for example).
Then they come to XDA and provide no usefull information at all. For example:
"The one I'm using on my i9505 right now is by Antares One and yesterday it decided to show me three or four notifications that "Google Play Services has stopped working" per minute and today none of my SMS messages are being sent."
- For example you say you use a rom by Antares One. This gives us no information at all. He has made like 4 roms for the I9505. What build? What android version?
- Google Play Services has stopped working. What gapps package did you use?
- Have you made modifications of your own?
- Are you running an up to date modem and bootloader?
Also keep in mind that if you use for example a MM build that it's a work in progress. It has to be coded from scratch. So surely there will be some bugs, but you will get the latest Android version in return with all the latest security patches.
This post is not intended to flame you in any way. I think most of your frustration comes from the expectations that you have. You cannot expect that a CM based rom will work flawlessly out of the box. It's a work in progress.

This is a very good observation. I was thinking to write this kind of post in december.
A lot of Roms are abandoned or never pass nightly and you have to flash and flash again. Then suddenly all people jump to MM as if the world is ending tomorow. It is hard to find a good rom starting with Lollipop. I see a lot of people crying after KK stability and downgrading.
People are in a hurry, devs too, to flash the newest rom.
I prefer stability. A phone is not a camera, nor a battle field for flashing.. My 2C opinion.

I like custom roms, but sadly i need stability before customisation or performance. The only rom that delivers in this is Stock TW 4.4.2. If you want to go back to Kitkat use the latest firmware for your region.
It's very hard to deliver stability with a custom rom as stability is achieved through manpower, time and resources, which can't be provided through just donations.

Roms are abandoned because people move to other devices at some point.
And you can't stay on the same android version. Most of the roms are built from other sources. Like Resurrection Remix. The developer is wescrip, and he owns an LG device. The version for our S4 is built from his sources by TJSteveMX. If wescrip switched to Marshmallow it's pretty much impossible to for TJ to keep it Lollipop.

DJRepresent said:
(...)Why can't Android just be a stable OS? I'm really thinking about switching to a Microsoft phone for my next upgrade.DJ
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This is a more general answer:
In the Android world there is a huge diversity of devices (--> hardware) and Android versions. The next thing, you have to keep in mind: A lot of vendors and telecommunications companies include their modifications into the ROMs.
I think that due to the availability of new devices each year and all these modifications, which also include the full stop in official updates after 6 months after the release of the device, will lead to unstable (official) ROMs.
The community then tries to update the devices in their spare time to the newest versions. But they have to figure out some special settings and modifications per device. And this is a long way as it seems.
In my opinion, you should not blame the community and the developers. I think, it is more Google or the vendors that can´t agree on a good way to distribute newer Android versions (e.g. a new API layer between OS and Hardware).

funny thing that older moto g's got cyan 14.1 but moto g4 plus didnt

Ok so cyanogenmod.org got all moto devices listed and they said moto g series getting cyanogen 14.1 but moto g4 plus not anywhere in cyanogenmod.org list:crying:
I hate unofficial buggy ROMs

mayank.bhola1 said:
Ok so cyanogenmod.org got all moto devices listed and they said moto g series getting cyanogen 14.1 but moto g4 plus not anywhere in cyanogenmod.org list:crying:
I hate unofficial buggy ROMs
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Official roms are buggy too if you ever tried nightlies or snapshots. And we will see, maybe official will come until cm statet it comes not

They didn't say all G family, they post this list:
falcon, peregrine, titan, thea, osprey
They are 1st 2nd and 3rd Gen.

FlaminisRex said:
They didn't say all G family, they post this list:
falcon, peregrine, titan, thea, osprey
They are 1st 2nd and 3rd Gen.
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If it's not in the list, it will be added, thats possible.
@mayank.bhola1:
No need to scared and say it will never come. If you didn't have a proof, don't open such scaring threads "no official cyanogen 14.1" that's really annoying to others, because some people trust it and won't buy the device maybe(just an opinion)

I avoid anything cm based. Always worse on battery life.

trsix said:
I avoid anything cm based. Always worse on battery life.
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That's not true that all cm based has "always" worse battery life. On my galaxy's I got more battery compared to Samsung roms(official or mod) and also on my other devices cm gives me more battery life then stock, even to aosp! Maybe you encountered bad experiences, but it totally depends on the device tree, drivers, modem, source, etc etc... And the knowledge of the dev :angel:

My experience with CM was that a lot of the features added where useless to me and they just added battery drain and new bugs. And when a bug was fixed in a nightly, there was a good chance that another two bugs would pop up.
Not cool if you really need to use your phone as a phone. Maybe OK if you don't have a job or you stay at home all the time.

SoNic67 said:
My experience with CM was that a lot of the features added where useless to me and they just added battery drain and new bugs. And when a bug was fixed in a nightly, there was a good chance that another two bugs would pop up.
Not cool if you really need to use your phone as a phone. Maybe OK if you don't have a job or you stay at home all the time.
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So you concluding that we must stick to stock ROMs ??

Depends of what you do for living... and if need a reliable phone line for that.

SoNic67 said:
Depends of what you do for living... and if need a reliable phone line for that.
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I knew a device which stock cos rom is the hell on earth(random reboots, bugs, freezes) compared to cm and nearly all people saying wow after flashing cm instead of staying on stock. CM is widely available for devices and always a chance to get more out of your device when the manufacturer gives up the development after launching the device or won't fix bugs in acceptable time.

Not the case here. Moto firmware is stable and not bloated.

CM is best after OEM leaves device support. I had Asus Zenfone 5 earlier but no official CM so developers made unofficial one but Asus had serious issues with bootloader unlock as no developer was able to resolve screen freeze issues. So running custom ROMs on that device was hell bad.

If you think making cm and make it official is easy then do it urself, we really want to see. Things are not same as 1st,2nd &3rd. The chipset are way different than the previous gen. So stop posting useless things. Dont open thread for you own satisfaction.

Just my $0.02 : The premise behind getting a custom ROM is that it's for those who have an above average idea about OS, customizations, working on a system level and such.
The whole argument about stability, and what one does for their living is a bit too far fetched in context of using a device that is dependable. Stock ROMs are made by OEMs keeping a novice end-user in view, who may or may not have sufficient time, knowledge or inclination of going beyond what the device came shipped with.
Custom ROMs and development is undertaken almost completely as a voluntary exercise by the devs, mostly on cost of their own resources and go far as to offer their work off forum threads which they'd personally support. Those flashing and modding devices are ones testing the work undertaken by devs, and even after a ROM gets official status, work on development continues with feedback from users and updating security, porting features from other devices, expanding customization et al.
Battery use, smoothness of UI, connectivity, stability, obviously are essential to one's experience of using their phone, but are highly dependent on how well one's put to use the abilities of their custom ROM, apart from what applications or settings one's gotten on, and that would come about only with experimenting, learning and keeping oneself updated with their device's software.
Stock ROMs, barring the few odd ones which run stock Android are almost always crammed with bloatware, uncustomizable UI/features and locked in to a mesh of regulatory compliances, OEM/vendor/third party interests and above all marketing the device as a product - which means you're good to go for just about as long as the OEM cares, and that isn't usually long enough given they'd obviously be focused on selling newer products.
So, it's just that mileage may vary but if you're willing to stick around to learn and experiment, customizing is the only way to truly own your phone.
Sent from my Moto G4 Plus using XDA Labs

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Stock ROMs, barring the few odd ones which run stock Android are almost always crammed with bloatware, uncustomizable UI/features and locked in to a mesh of regulatory compliances, OEM/vendor/third party interests and above all marketing the device as a product - which means you're good to go for just about as long as the OEM cares, and that isn't usually long enough given they'd obviously be focused on selling newer products.
So, it's just that mileage may vary but if you're willing to stick around to learn and experiment, customizing is the only way to truly own your phone.
Sent from my Moto G4 Plus using XDA Labs
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I think the G4 is close to AOSP. Using Xposed you can get many fancy features found in custom roms. GravityBox gives you much of what CM offers.
Security features make it much more difficult to customize a phone. Pay by phone, i.e. "Wallet" will become important.
Custom roms are used more now for keeping old phones current. Not that much happening with new phones. Look at CyanogenMod https://download.cyanogenmod.org/ to view this.

king200 said:
I think the G4 is close to AOSP. Using Xposed you can get many fancy features found in custom roms. GravityBox gives you much of what CM offers.
Security features make it much more difficult to customize a phone. Pay by phone, i.e. "Wallet" will become important.
Custom roms are used more now for keeping old phones current. Not that much happening with new phones. Look at CyanogenMod https://download.cyanogenmod.org/ to view this.
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If you're considering using Xposed for the 'fancy features' and use wallet, and yet vouch for stock Roms I'm not sure what you're on to. You'd need for more mods running on a stock ROM which would anyways take months or even years to get updated to run latest Android versions. Some times you'd just stick around with frequent updates which are still two SDK versions behind the current official release, basically cycling through bloat, partner apps and constant rooting, modding to just keep your phone worth it's use.
As for new phones, it takes a fair amount of time, effort and understanding to access available sources and build a device tree from which custom ROMs are built.
Besides, not many users, unless they've specifically bought the new device to work on development, adopt customization till about several months after their purchase. As for CyanogenMod site they list the official ROMs, which are painstakingly built after months of testing. What you see on there are mostly devices which are either usually a year old or are stock Android - both being fitting scenarios for system level modifications to drive both performance and customization. You'd be hard pressed to find Android OEMs updating devices or even offering security patches for long.
Also, do remember MIUI, Oxygen and several other OEM ROMs that run across some of the most successful phones evolved from the custom ROMs community development.
And yeah, there's the custom kernels as well which almost always need a custom ROM.
Unless you've hit upon a groundbreaking counter claim to all the benefit of custom ROMs you would be among a tiny minority of informed users who ascribe to that idea. I would really like to benefit from what you can share about it, I am sure I can hit up the devs in my subscribed threads and help them make better decision with their time and efforts.
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I am about to get a Axon 7 within a week and I am curious to know which rom(s) are useful for everyday usage aka daily driver rom.
There are tons and I am all confused about the matter.

The custom ROM support for this device isn't great, but it does have all the popular ones like ResurrectionRemix, LineageOS, AICP and AospExtended. My favourite at the moment is DARK ROM which is basically LOS 14.1 with some additional modifications; like the UI sounds from the Google Pixel, OMS theming support and unlocking after boot without PIN number. Once LOS 15 (8.0 Oreo) is released I will switch to that and use it as my daily-driver until the other custom ROM's also upgrade to Oreo.

P650SE said:
The custom ROM support for this device isn't great, but it does have all the popular ones like ResurrectionRemix, LineageOS, AICP and AospExtended. My favourite at the moment is DARK ROM which is basically LOS 14.1 with some additional modifications; like the UI sounds from the Google Pixel, OMS theming support and unlocking after boot without PIN number. Once LOS 15 (8.0 Oreo) is released I will switch to that and use it as my daily-driver until the other custom ROM's also upgrade to Oreo.
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Thank you for the reply.
It's a bit of shame that the support isn't there since this phone is really amazing.
Out of all roms you mentioned which one is the most stable and less "bloated" one?
I have no problem with stock but there is some issues that I am wondering if custom roms have fixed, like dropped calls(think it's software that messes with signal, never happened before) and random low volume.

cirnocirno said:
Thank you for the reply.
It's a bit of shame that the support isn't there since this phone is really amazing.
Out of all roms you mentioned which one is the most stable and less "bloated" one?
I have no problem with stock but there is some issues that I am wondering if custom roms have fixed, like dropped calls(think it's software that messes with signal, never happened before) and random low volume.
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Yeah, it's unfortunate that there isn't better support for this phone. I didn't realise when I bought it about a month ago that the situation was like this. Even my ZUK Z2 had a better community behind it which surprises me.
The most stable and least bloated ROM is definitely LineageOS, as that's the closest you can get to stock Android in the form of custom ROM's with just a few additional mods. DARK ROM as I mentioned before is just LineageOS with some extra enhancements. Both are stable but if you're after an officially-supported ROM with proper OTA updates, then LineageOS is the best option. I would recommend flashing Magisk v14.0 afterwards if you're interested in root support.

Over the last few months, ROM teams began feature locking and doing final Nougat builds to start work on Oreo. This period always leaves us dry for a time being. I've seen dry spells like this since KitKat. I anticipate a wave of ROMs in the coming months. Until then, there is a fine selection of ROMs to choose from. I do agree that the selection is a bit sparse compared to other phones. There is just enough to satisfy a flashaholics urge to tinker.
Let's hope the coming surge is better than the last.

P650SE said:
Yeah, it's unfortunate that there isn't better support for this phone. I didn't realise when I bought it about a month ago that the situation was like this. Even my ZUK Z2 had a better community behind it which surprises me.
The most stable and least bloated ROM is definitely LineageOS, as that's the closest you can get to stock Android in the form of custom ROM's with just a few additional mods. DARK ROM as I mentioned before is just LineageOS with some extra enhancements. Both are stable but if you're after an officially-supported ROM with proper OTA updates, then LineageOS is the best option. I would recommend flashing Magisk v14.0 afterwards if you're interested in root support.
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I guess I will be using LineageOS, I am just too excited with this phone don't want to spoil myself and brick.
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Over the last few months, ROM teams began feature locking and doing final Nougat builds to start work on Oreo. This period always leaves us dry for a time being. I've seen dry spells like this since KitKat. I anticipate a wave of ROMs in the coming months. Until then, there is a fine selection of ROMs to choose from. I do agree that the selection is a bit sparse compared to other phones. There is just enough to satisfy a flashaholics urge to tinker.
Let's hope the coming surge is better than the last.
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I am not a flashaholic but I know that most fixes are always done in custom roms or they optimize battery stuff, user experience and the ability to have custom kernel and schedulers are always welcome.

Cablespider said:
Over the last few months, ROM teams began feature locking and doing final Nougat builds to start work on Oreo. This period always leaves us dry for a time being. I've seen dry spells like this since KitKat. I anticipate a wave of ROMs in the coming months.
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Good point. I keep forgetting the fact that most of the ROM teams are working on their final builds of Nougat and beginning progress with Oreo. At the moment it does feel like there is a slight lack of development, but like you said there is still a decent selection to choose from. (Lineage, AEX, AICP, RR, etc.) I did expect LineageOS 15 to have arrived already after seeing the screenshots and estimate of 1-3 days in the development thread, but that was of course 3 weeks ago and unfortunately it ended up getting delayed quite substantially. (I'm sure our patience will be rewarded though, if it means a more stable first release!)
The next few months should be exciting and i'm definitely looking forward to it, but for the moment it is a difficult time for us 'flashaholics' awaiting the initial builds of Oreo. I should probably indulge myself in another hobby rather than obsessing about when Android 8.0 will arrive on the Axon 7.

You're not alone. I look forward to testing and whatnot. I hope this phone can taking a beating like my beloved LG G3 did. RIP little buddy.

What guide should I look at to install custom rom?
I got a ZTE Axon7 A2017G

Also just noticed with stock rom playing games really drains the battery fast, REALLY fast. Every 3rd min is a 1%.
Another funny thing I noticed is that with stock rom if I press a folder and then exit the folder and then press again, the whole launcher crashes and restarts.
Oh and I noticed that the wifi connection isn't stable.

I don't get that behaviour with my A2017G. What ROM is it on ? Mine is Nougat B04 (AU).

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i don't get that behaviour with my a2017g. What rom is it on ? Mine is nougat b04 (au).
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zte a2017gv1.2.0b02

Also I am curious to know. How do I gain back fastboot?(FIXED THIS)
So I am curious about roms/kernels.
I want to try a rom/kernel but I have been seeing there are a few roms that have something called "callbug" where the speakers make noise when a call is going on and when answering the mics are muted or call will be interrupted, no idea tbh.
So I would like to avoid a rom with such bug.

'Clean' ROMs? (Google free)

I just picked up an S8+ for €524 (new). However I'm not allowed to have anything Google on my phone (not just apps, but Play Services). Nor do I want them really.
Since there still aren't any working AOSP ROMs, which of the 100s of modified stock ROMs (or N8 ports) are available where GoogleApps must be installed as a separate package (like AOSP)? Anyone have a list?
Don't want to waste time messing around removing it from ROMs that already have it baked in.

Lineage OS when it will have official support (no idea when)

Thanks, I'm aware that it (and Resurrection Remix etc etc) will. But rather strangely, in my view, there seems to be a huge disbalance in development efforts between stock and AOSP on the S8.
Anyway, regardless, in the mean time, I want a 'stock' / modified ROM that has no Google as standard.

From what I know...there is no AOSP rom that works completely for the s8 yet...
You can still root it and unistall anything inside from google from the stock rom, so that you keep all the functions without using google stuff

Per my first post, I'd rather not bother.
I'll just return the phone or sell it immediately if there really aren't any custom ROMs where G-Apps are installed separately. Aside from the initial bother, OTA updates tend to reinstall them, so it's a constant battle.

No AOSP roms for now. There's long way for Lineage or RR to become fully functional and bug-free. Just to remind the S6/S7 case.

I know, but surely there must be a few custom ROMs with no G-apps by default? There are literally hundreds.

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I know, but surely there must be a few custom ROMs with no G-apps by default? There are literally hundreds.
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Have a look at BatMan Rom v1.5. If I remember correctly you can choose to omit installing any G-apps via the Aroma installation.

Norup58 said:
Have a look at BatMan Rom v1.5. If I remember correctly you can choose to omit installing any G-apps via the Aroma installation.
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AFAIK removing Google Play Services (via Aroma) isn't an option. It's just the actual apps. Certainly it isn't an option in the screengrabs in that ROM or others.
Also, I assume like many other ROMs with G-apps baked in, OTAs complicate this, and they may never really be gone.
Thanks for the suggestion though.

Doubt very much you will find a Rom which fulfills your needs precisely.
An alternative is to use Titanium Backup or Package Disabler to get 'rid' of all Google things.

I remember there being a few in the Nexus 4 and 5 days, and some old Samsungs.
Haven't kept track of it recently, as have used stock CM / LOS in later years, so found it unnecessary.

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To the OP I'd be happy to take stock from a backup and remove all Google apps entirely and upload it for all. Do you want it rooted or would you prefer to do so yourself? It would be. ROM and not odin specific. I too hate Google and have everything removed except Gmail play store and modded YouTube. Battary life is pretty amazing too.
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No need to bump since you won't find anything, the formula for aosp is a Snapdragon cpu and an unlocked bootloader. You bought the wrong phone.

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No need to bump since you won't find anything, the formula for aosp is a Snapdragon cpu and an unlocked bootloader. You bought the wrong phone.
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For the Nth time, if you're going to bother to reply, then at least read what I have written and explained in a number of posts.
Nowhere have I asked for AOSP. It'll come when it comes, but I need a fix in the mean time.
I am asking for a modified stock ROM with Google removed by default. Something that has existed in the past, and which it's incredible if it does not exist among the hundreds of modified stock ROMs for the S8 variants.
Also, Snapdragon certainly isn't a prerequisite for AOSP. Samsung released all the sources a while ago. Huawei (Kirin & slow to release any / all sources and unreleased drivers) have AOSP.
I think the main impediment is that the S8/S8+/Note8 have been very expensive. But given that an S8 can now be bought for the same or less than a 64GB OP 5T in Europe, and has obviously better hardware, I suspect there will be a great deal more development effort incoming. Per my original post, my S8+ cost €524 from one of the largest e-tailers in Germany. A 5T costs €499.

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To the OP I'd be happy to take stock from a backup and remove all Google apps entirely and upload it for all. Do you want it rooted or would you prefer to do so yourself? It would be. ROM and not odin specific. I too hate Google and have everything removed except Gmail play store and modded YouTube. Battary life is pretty amazing too.
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That's very kind. The only problem I foresee, as mentioned earlier, is that removing Google from a ROM which doesn't have a maintained Google-free version means that every significant OTA update is likely to 're-infect' the system.
I think the most likely chance of success is a minor fork of ICE / BatMan / Renovate (i.e. one of the most popular modified stock ROMs) with a default Google-free version. This way, it may well attract enough interest that even if you stop, someone else will maintain it. They're so popular that there might be enough interest to maintain it even after LOS15.1 and derivatives are working and stable.

mudnightoil said:
For the Nth time, if you're going to bother to reply, then at least read what I have written and explained in a number of posts.
Nowhere have I asked for AOSP. It'll come when it comes, but I need a fix in the mean time.
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Ah you're right, my bad.
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Samsung released all the sources a while ago.
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For exynos?
I am asking for a modified stock ROM with Google removed by default. Something that has existed in the past, and which it's incredible if it does not exist among the hundreds of modified stock ROMs for the S8 variants.
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Now why didn't you do your research before buying this phone? Did you just assume you'd find a google free touchwiz rom? It doesn't take long to skim through the dev section and see every rom is basically stock with little tweaks here and there. Its not like you bought the phone on day 1, its been out for 8 months or so.
So like i said before, you bought the wrong phone, give it back and get that op5t if you don't want google on your phone. Flash aosp and voila, no google unless you flash gapps.

mudnightoil said:
That's very kind. The only problem I foresee, as mentioned earlier, is that removing Google from a ROM which doesn't have a maintained Google-free version means that every significant OTA update is likely to 're-infect' the system.
I think the most likely chance of success is a minor fork of ICE / BatMan / Renovate (i.e. one of the most popular modified stock ROMs) with a default Google-free version. This way, it may well attract enough interest that even if you stop, someone else will maintain it. They're so popular that there might be enough interest to maintain it even after LOS15.1 and derivatives are working and stable.
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itll be 7 months before we see aosp on s8 and s8 plus. as for the other thing, i have a base im working on atm. when an update comes along ill make one from it. in the meantime, the build i use is super fast and compared to the others you mentioned like ice and batman, its way better for snappy and so on. if interested let me know. itll take me around 6 hours to get it going and another 3 to upload if im lucky. donations on this would be highly highly appreciated but not needed

this.guy.lol said:
itll be 7 months before we see aosp on s8 and s8 plus. as for the other thing, i have a base im working on atm. when an update comes along ill make one from it. in the meantime, the build i use is super fast and compared to the others you mentioned like ice and batman, its way better for snappy and so on. if interested let me know. itll take me around 6 hours to get it going and another 3 to upload if im lucky. donations on this would be highly highly appreciated but not needed
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I think it'll be much sooner than that. Price matters. It'll fall even further once the S9 is out. But anyway ....
What's the base? Will it have Aroma?
It would probably be a good idea to make a thread with details, and then you can gauge interest and thereby likelihood of donations.
Once I actually have the phone (it's in DE and I'm currently in NL) and get round to installing it, I'd of course contribute, provided it is indeed suitable.

mudnightoil said:
I think it'll be much sooner than that. Price matters. It'll fall even further once the S9 is out. But anyway ....
What's the base? Will it have Aroma?
It would probably be a good idea to make a thread with details, and then you can gauge interest and thereby likelihood of donations.
Once I actually have the phone (it's in DE and I'm currently in NL) and get round to installing it, I'd of course contribute, provided it is indeed suitable.
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Base will be 7.0/7.1.1 as its the most stable as far as speed is concerned. Aroma will be an option yes. I'm still learning how to make threads in here. Would love to have a place holder of sorts. Ill look into more later on. Be looking for my other account on here to post the ROM. The name is LVL7MODZ

The android update cycle

You install a new ROM, and get used to it
After a couple months, pretty much everything is working correctly, you don't foresee ever updating the OS again
Six months in, you realize some things aren't working as they should anymore, but you can't tell which app update broke it and google isn't giving you a solution to your weirdly specific issue
You realize that at this point, a clean reinstall of the OS is your best bet
You're going through all that trouble, might as well try an up-to-date ROM
After a couple months...
Been happy with my ZUK for almost half a year since I last had to update the OS, now my music is getting cut off near the end on a lot of players and I don't know how to fix it. The Google Assistant gets stuck confirming a reminder. Clearing caches of all sorts didn't do anything, so here I am.
I hope Pie ROMs are stable, cause my AEX Oreo is bursting at the seams.

CosmicBovine said:
You install a new ROM, and get used to it
After a couple months, pretty much everything is working correctly, you don't foresee ever updating the OS again
Six months in, you realize some things aren't working as they should anymore, but you can't tell which app update broke it and google isn't giving you a solution to your weirdly specific issue
You realize that at this point, a clean reinstall of the OS is your best bet
You're going through all that trouble, might as well try an up-to-date ROM
After a couple months...
Been happy with my ZUK for almost half a year since I last had to update the OS, now my music is getting cut off near the end on a lot of players and I don't know how to fix it. The Google Assistant gets stuck confirming a reminder. Clearing caches of all sorts didn't do anything, so here I am.
I hope Pie ROMs are stable, cause my AEX Oreo is bursting at the seams.
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This is a tradeoff that everyone of us agrees to, when we flash a custom ROM
We trade a little bit of stability for some really useful customizations and preferred UI

visheshjain25 said:
This is a tradeoff that everyone of us agrees to, when we flash a custom ROM
We trade a little bit of stability for some really useful customizations and preferred UI
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This is the general case, talking about zuk z2 maybe custom roms are more stable than stock zui ?, and for sure more "Occidental-friendly"

So true for alllllll phones out there.
Only those who don't care about all this at all are best at peace.