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AndroidAthenaProject1.0

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I am proud to introduce "AndroidAthenaProject1.0" on behalf of the Athena Project Team! We have successfully ported Android to the Athena (More info about the Athena). This will be the official thread for optimizing and working out bugs related to Android on the Athena.
YouTube Demo
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05/28/2008 - New update available: (Athena-Android "All-n-1" Release) (More Info and even more info). This update adds touch screen support and screen rotation applet. Video driver still needs a lot of work. Screen updates are slow. Coding decent video drivers will be my next priority and if anyone is willing to give a hand, please let me know. Thanks!
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Download Android for the Athena (x7500/x7501/Ameo/etc...): Latest Release or Here (Click here for instructions)
Git: https://github.com/mistadman/android-athena/. This should be easier for us to manage changes. Enjoy!!
Diff and .Config (05282008): Download
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Keyboard (not started) (A USB keyboard can be used for testing while we wait for drivers. See this post)
Touch screen (done):
More info
Testing/Bug fixes
Phone (not started)
Video(in progress):
Correctly implement pan_display() function (double buffering)
Speed improvements
Sound (in progress)
Wifi (not started)
Bluetooth (not started)
GPS (not started)
Camera (not started)
Sub-display (not started)
Accelerometer (not started)
Android Application Functionality(in progress):
RotateView Applet added: (More info)
This applet lets you rotate the screen. Unfortunately, due to incomplete video driver, video performance takes a serious hit during rotation.
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If you would like to test or can contribute to one of the outstanding issues above, please let us know. Also, marthynovak has posted quick and dirty guide to testing our releases. See this post for more information.
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Here is small how to to start android on Athena.By mistadman
Download Android for Athena here(last build): http://rapidshare.com/files/118229739/Android-Athena-05282008.exe.html
free method(please use only when you cant you rapidshare) http://gymjs.net/~m.novak/Android-Athena-05282008.exe
Once downloaded, unzip and copy the unzipped files to a SD Card. The root of your SD Card should have these files:
haret.exe
default.txt
zImage
initrd-android
Once you have verified the files listed, insert the SD Card in to your Athena. From there just load up Windows Mobile and browse to your "Storage Card" in "File Explorer". Click on the file called "haret.exe", and once the program has loaded; click run.
Just remember that this is work in progress!
more info:
its only the system,the keybord is not working,screen isnt working.Just remember that this is work in progress!
Here is some plan what must we do(by mistadman):
1.) Add some Ati specific 3D acceleration (Double Buffering, Rotation).
2.) Optimize Power Saving...
3.) Add/repair touch screen driver.
4.) Add/create keyboard driver.
5.) Add sound
6.) Add phone driver support (be able to make a call).
7.) Add Wifi Driver.
8.) Get the camera working maybe?!?!
more also here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2242471&postcount=19

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Keyboard?
As you can see on the post located here, they've written a simple onscreen keyboard. Maybe he'll give you the source for it and it wouldn't be hard to implement it into this kernel for future releases...

Let's pull all of our resources together and make this happen. Whoever can contribute let's post here and let's try to get a 1.0 final out ASAP.
Thanks in advance to everyone for helping where you can.
Areas of interest for developing the project:
- Graphics
- Sounds
- Drivers (highest priority of course)
- Apps
- Functionality (highest priority of course)
If you can provide a driver or something that fits in the categories above, please post a description...a how-to....and a link to a RapidShare download. Thank you all in advance.

Now we are talk'n! LOL!
- Graphics
- Sounds
- Drivers (highest priority of course)
- Apps
- Functionality (highest priority of course)
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Just remember though, we do not want to duplicate Google's efforts... What I mean is that Google OS/Middleware (Android) will be in direct competition with the iPhone, Symbian, Window Mobile, etc. That means we can expect things like onscreen keyboards, SMS apps, Office Apps (probably complements of Google Docs/Google Gears), mapping/GPS software (Google Maps), a camera app, etc... (See: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-9239_7-6546759-1.html for more info) And that’s not to mention some of the great work already being done by Third-Party Vendors (Android Developer Challenge: see: http://phandroid.com/2008/05/10/adc-round-1-winners for more info). Heck, look at what was done on the iPhone... And it was/is "closed source"!
I believe the IMPORTANT thing is that we provide a stable kernel for Google's "Middleware". I envision that most of the kernel work will revolve around driver development (in order of priority): (Here is a pictorial representation of the software stack:http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080521/android_stack_540x387.jpg, as you can see the kernel is the base to which all other software depends on.)
Keyboard
Touch screen
Phone
Video
Sound
And of course:
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
Camera
Long term objectives:
Sub-display
Accelerometer
Of course there will need to be work done on Android itself... Maybe we will need to develop applications custom to the Athena Hardware. At the very least, we will have to provide Android with a way to talk to hardware via kernel icotls (e.g. Camera Settings, Video Settings, etc…). So having some with inside knowledge of Android will help. Not sure though, because I haven’t hacked on Android (yet ;-) )...
Once the kernel/drivers are stable I believe Android will be a better fit for the Athena than WM6 could have ever be.
What do you guys think?
FYI: Looks like Google is already improving Android: http://www.talkandroid.com/99-adc-finalists-receive-android-sdk-snapshot-access/

i will have new develop version of Android soon.i hope so.so maybe it could be better for this project.i will let you know!

marthynovak said:
i will have new develop version of Android soon.i hope so.so maybe it could be better for this project.i will let you know!
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Check your PM.

we should look here,there are plany of informations about android.its for vogue,but i think that something we can use.they said that touchscreen is working now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
also see this.its on screen keybord included in the zimage.i cant try it right now,im away and my athena is not with me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2213637&postcount=303
also see this updates
http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2191014&postcount=344

Update...
Just to let you guys know, I have been working on the touch screen driver. I pretty much have it working perfectly, expect for the fact that the touch screen works in the horizontal position even though Android boots vertically. I am pretty sure I will not be much longer before I release an update.
Also, if anyone is working on any particular issue related to porting Android to the Athena, please let us know. The more the merrier!
The main thing is that we wouldn't want to duplicated efforts or if someone is working on an issue we could match you up with someone doing the same thing. This would speed development a great deal. Two heads or better than one! On the main page I will post updates as to where we are with each issue.
And thanks to everyone who is either showing interest or encouragement!

Maybe you should give to each update a date.So they can know what is new and what is old.I tried to do someting with video driver,but no luck at all.ï can do more when i will be back home.
edit:we have(with mistadman) decided something about marking releases.he will tell everything to you.thx

All in one executable...
Hello everyone,
I am trying something new... Even though there has been some progress with this project, I am re-releasing the original Android release as an All-in-one executable for testing. If all goes well, we will be releasing further updates in this fashion. If you are testing, please post feedback on this thread.
This will help make testing easier, because there will be less files to mess with, and anyone new to testing will not be easily confused. Also the "All-n-1" release will be dated, which should also minimize confusion.
If anyone has any suggestions, or any better ideas, let us know. Thanks!
Here is a the link to the "All-n-1" re-release: http://rapidshare.com/files/117520672/Android-Athena-05172008.exe.html
***NOTE*** There is nothing new with this release, other than the fact its all merged in to one file for easier testing.

New Update...
Hello everyone... I'm back with a new update! I finally got the touch screen working! Still have a lot of work left of course.
If you want to play with it, you can get it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/118229739/Android-Athena-05282008.exe.html. This is an "All-n-1 Release". Just copy the exe to your sd card and run. After clicking, it could take up to 20 seconds to boot. Be patent!
As always, this is work in progress... Thanks for testing!
Here is the patch and .config:

thanks very much it's working fine and waiting for keyborad and wifi

Android (WinMo) and MacOSX (Vista) - Anybody???

Come to think about is there any posibility
Android - I see a thread, but still work in progress
But how about Mac OS X on Shift
i checked on insanelymac, but still work in progress, perhaps this could be interesting alternative if i may say

OS X on Shift
I've tried to install different versions of OS X (Tiger, Leopard etc) on my shift but the main problem is the screen resolution in setup. The monitor on the Shift is only 800x480 pixels but OS X setup only detects 640x400 (if i remember correctly) and this is not enough to display setup properly. I've also tried different boot parametres to force 800x480 resolution, but without any luck.
Another problem is that the Shift CPU only supports SSE2 and the newer versions of OS X is optimized for SSE3 or better.
If you want to try it for yourself you need an external DVD-ROM and a modified OS X image file (search torrent sites for Kalyway/OSX86 etc.)
Let me know if you find a solution to the resolution problem.

Have you tried installing it when connected to an external monitor?
Regards,
Dave

Yes, I also tried installing it with an external monitor connected. The result was excactly the same. Greyscale and only 640x400 resolution...
I think the problem is that the internal display is detected regardless of if you have an external display connected, and this makes the installation program detect the highest resolution the internal display is capable of displaying.

Check out this forumthread:
Insanelymac

batghost said:
Come to think about is there any posibility
Android - I see a thread, but still work in progress
But how about Mac OS X on Shift
i checked on insanelymac, but still work in progress, perhaps this could be interesting alternative if i may say
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After playing around the only Android phone for now (TMob G1), I found it is not exactly that enticing like having a WinMo device. In the case of WinMo, I could at least develop a lot of stuff easier and faster and the devices are restrictive. What I found in G1 is quite opposite, OS is open and ubiquitos, but the device is closed. A lot of heck is missing like having simple SIP.
HTC and TMob screwed Google and the Android community big time I believe. I love both Windows and Linux. I am totally disappointed with this. I feel Vista is not that restrictive than TMob G1, I know I am comparing wrong platforms here, but thats what I felt after spending good amount of time on G1. It is easy to develop stuff and deploy on Android and far better than iPhone deployment, but the device is restrictive not friendly like WinMo. I don't care for source code, I want to see a open machine like Wintels, and WinMos where I definately can break without bricking.
Thanks
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OSX
Well I tried to start up an installation of OS X on my Shift but i failed. Same reason as above. No resolution.
BUT i've found this little neat thread http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=115328 I will try to install OS X on friday with the mentioned patches in the thread.
Will keep you informed if it worked on friday!

carolusx said:
Well I tried to start up an installation of OS X on my Shift but i failed. Same reason as above. No resolution.
BUT i've found this little neat thread http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=115328 I will try to install OS X on friday with the mentioned patches in the thread.
Will keep you informed if it worked on friday!
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Any luck with the install when using the patches?

Nope.
Tried a lot of patches but no luck.
But Im continuing looking around to find a solution.

Do you have some instructions / Information howto is the general installation of Linux on A Windows Mobile ARM processor Side?
You leave the boot loader as is, or linux bring his own Boot loader ?

joy.d said:
Do you have some instructions / Information howto is the general installation of Linux on A Windows Mobile ARM processor Side?
You leave the boot loader as is, or linux bring his own Boot loader ?
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I think we need to have SD-card support in SnapVue side to be able to use Haret and boot linux. There are several threads that are discussing the possibility to install linux on the SnapVue side.
Use the search function...

Ubuntu on Gen8

Hello everybody!
I have been playing with the ARM port of Ubuntu and my Archos 70 for a few days now and I got it to boot and login on a root account.
Not a lot of things work. The touchscreen, sound, hardware buttons and 3d don't work (I'm guessing this since Unity doesn't work).
You don't imagine the pain that I had to suffer to get here without input of any kind.
Everything else seems to work fine, slow but fine (X, gnome, etc).
Things that I haven't tried yet are the webcam, the HDMI, the SD reader and the USB (which would help me a lot to get things working faster)
I'll update my post with pics and a link to download the image when it's done uploading.
For those who have been longer on the Archos community or have some experience I would ask you to give me some advice to get the touchscreen working.
Update :(12/03/2011)
Sroll down for a link and instructions on how to install it (The touchscreen works in this new image)

afaik touchscreen is connected by usb internally. check dmesg of android and figure out which driver you need and build/download/whatever it to ubuntu

Thanks! That's actually a great idea. I never thought about that

I did what you told me and it revealed that the screen is a Unitec USB Touch (Win7) with a 227d:0709 ID. I haven't found any information online except for this which isn't that informative either: lii-enac.fr/en/architecture/linux-input/multitouch-devices .html

is it not an option to re-build(and probably modify) the driver based on the gen8 source? looks to me that it is in the source package(gen8gpl-froyo/linux/drivers/input/touchscreen).

@veenstrac of course, as long as there is no ARM assembler code included it shouldn't be that hard to port it to an ubuntu kernel. except for the bit that ubuntu uses a newer kernel (2.6.3x) than archos (2.6.29). maybe some APIs need to be modified to get it compiled and working

I finally got the touchscreen working!
I didn't need to compile any drivers or anything. Just by changing the evdev configuration worked!
The problem now is that I can't "click" the mouse properly (when I do it it stays "pressed" forever) and also that X crashes after a while...

Alexroc94 said:
I finally got the touchscreen working!
I didn't need to compile any drivers or anything. Just by changing the evdev configuration worked!
The problem now is that I can't "click" the mouse properly (when I do it it stays "pressed" forever) and also that X crashes after a while...
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What did you do to modify it and get it to work? I have the same touch screen and I've tried a number of things to the evdev config and none seem to make any difference.

this sounds cool anything i can do to help?

If anyone knows how the evdev can be modified to make this work, can they please share this with the rest of the world? I've tried to no avail. I would really like to be able to use UNR, but it's worthless without a touch screen on a touch screen only device.

I'm sorry I didn't respond to any of the later posts. I had a really terrible week full of exams ...
Anyway, I will be working on Ubuntu this weekend to see if I can solve the rest of the problems (wifi not working, sound not working, crashes ....). But for those who want to try I uploaded the image to Dropbox. Please give me some feedback: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3122179/rootfs.img
Once you have downloaded it you have to install the SDL and replece the Angstrom img with this one. (It won't work if you have the Urukdroid intramfs).
So yeah. Good luck with that and thanks in advance to those who give me some feedback

Hey
I would like to help you out, just one question, are you using the netbook edition or is it the desktop one?

It's Ubuntu Netbook Edition but I make it boot to the "normal" desktop since Unity needs 3D to work.
The graphic card is another thing I am working on since it would be better to use Unity in these kind of devices.

Hello,
If you want to try Linux on Android (for me, A101), you can try old method (with chroot) on Android rooted device (for me, Chulri root method); it's very easy to boot Debian or Ubuntu while Android is running:
link 1 http://www.saurik.com/id/10
link 2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=899037
But for me, it's just for fun, not to work with this linux. But it works.

hum hum
Hello all,
may i resume or i am wrong if i say :
What super_sonic says allow to boot Ubuntu "inside" Android and get wifi, touchscreen and 3D working
What you propose with your rootfs.img is to get Ubuntu running really on the tab but unfortunatly with no wifi for the moment
I don't know if this can help but i was folllowing the same type of work here :
ttp://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=47869
Thanks guy for all the WORK you are doing

Yes, that sounds great! Will test it as soon as possible!

double post
Sorry for posting again, but i must precise i can not publish links here so the "http" and more is missed on each URL, those links might be helpful for you guys :
forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=47869
.openaos.org/archives/152
be lucky

tazarus said:
Hello all,
may i resume or i am wrong if i say :
What super_sonic says allow to boot Ubuntu "inside" Android and get wifi, touchscreen and 3D working
What you propose with your rootfs.img is to get Ubuntu running really on the tab but unfortunatly with no wifi for the moment
I don't know if this can help but i was folllowing the same type of work here :
ttp://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=47869
Thanks guy for all the WORK you are doing
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Thanks dude! I really appreciate when what I do is useful for someone!
And yeah the guy from the archosfans forum it's me
Dropbox has suspended my account for using too much bandwith. So if you want to try it I hope I will have a new version by Monday on another server.

one more
Thanks,
don't worry for your img, i get it just before they closed your DropBox
I found one more guy trying to put Debian on A101
3w.dev.katlea-studio.com/home.html?PHPSESSID=fik67vlp0mv9c59pg8cm5pt0c3
he says "About wifi: ability to connect and make a ping but the internet does not work. I try to solve this quickly."
good luck again

tazarus said:
I found one more guy trying to put Debian on A101
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He succeeded actually.
cf. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000081

Which App or patch you want to see for webOS?

I love webOS but we have very little choice about applications, and OS really deserves to reach a very good support for apps and patch than what we have now(many thanks to webos-internals), for now if we look the other platforms are missing most of the more useful applications...so i open this thread for ask to webOS users and help developers to have a first idea about what people need it most at this time.
Is not necessary to specify the name of the existing app from the other OS is also enough to have just the idea of the application or patch that you miss.
I start with:
Something like Shazam and Whatsapp and another choice than the original browser...
Thanks

VOIP
Any VOIP and preferably Skype or Fring or any way to use Google Voice as a calling or receiving number...

2 patchs:
1. arabic enabling for webos 1.4.5
2. app catalog enabling for unsupported carriers
many apps:
1.shazam
2. fring
3. call recorder
4. word, excel sheet editor
5........ many others

Currently I would just like a patch to be able to bookmark things in Diigo or look up my Diigo bookmarks and read later items.

ahmadshawki said:
Any VOIP and preferably Skype or Fring or any way to use Google Voice as a calling or receiving number...
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Linphone is in early alpha testing:
http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Linphone
Make yourself known in the #webos-internals IRC channel on Freenode if you wish to participate.
Source code is in the WebOS Internals git repository:
http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/linphone.git;a=summary
-- Rod

leopard106 said:
2 patchs:
2. app catalog enabling for unsupported carriers
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You can use the WebOS Internals MetaDoctor to bypass activation and create a palm profile over wifi to access the app catalog. If you do not do this on an official carrier in an official launch country, then you will end up with no access to purchase paid apps, and (depending on your country) may not end up with access to any apps at all.
You can always, of course, use Preware to install homebrew apps, patches, themes and kernels.
-- Rod

Hi,
I would like to see:
1. shazaam
2. springpad
3. pulse
Thx

Would love to see an app like DroidWall for WebOS to control access to data and/or wifi for specific apps.
Sent from my GSBv1.6-ERIS using XDA App

love to see most of the apps on web os before launching of touchpad and pre 3

I crave an Agenda app

rwhitby said:
You can use the WebOS Internals MetaDoctor to bypass activation and create a palm profile over wifi to access the app catalog. If you do not do this on an official carrier in an official launch country, then you will end up with no access to purchase paid apps, and (depending on your country) may not end up with access to any apps at all.
You can always, of course, use Preware to install homebrew apps, patches, themes and kernels.
-- Rod
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can you link me to correct thread where bypass is tutorial,my pre is o2 germany with 2.1 webos meta-doctor?
sorry for lazy question

I still say Dark Nova should be ported to WebOS. It's already a remake of THE BEST PalmOS games ever, SpaceTrader. Its open source and written for both Android and iPhone/iPad/iPod. If anyone is interested in doing this, I would LOVE to beta test it! Just Let me know!
-NightHammer

How about a different web browser with more capabilities, such as flash. And no, I'm not talking about flash lite or some derivative of it....but the real deal. Android has 10.1....., why can't someone port it to work with Web OS? They're both programmed in Linux. Don't know why this has'nt been done by now. Web OS is such an innovative and powerful system......it really deserves more attention than it's been getting.

On a side note, anyone in the mood for some custom roms? Are their any Web Os chiefs out there? Or does anyone know of any roms for the palm pre?

Leeboy said:
On a side note, anyone in the mood for some custom roms? Are their any Web Os chiefs out there? Or does anyone know of any roms for the palm pre?
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No such thing as 'ROMz' in webOS land. Your device contains flash memory, not Read-Only Memory (ROM) and you simply install and uninstall packages.
You are the chef. Preware is your menu. You pick and choose what kernel, patches, theme and packages you want, and all of them are installable over the air without needing to reflash your device or lose any data.
WebOS Internals provides the restaurant.
-- Rod Whitby
-- WebOS Internals Founder and Project Lead

rwhitby said:
No such thing as 'ROMz' in webOS land. Your device contains flash memory, not Read-Only Memory (ROM) and you simply install and uninstall packages.
You are the chef. Preware is your menu. You pick and choose what kernel, patches, theme and packages you want, and all of them are installable over the air without needing to reflash your device or lose any data.
WebOS Internals provides the restaurant.
-- Rod Whitby
-- WebOS Internals Founder and Project Lead
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That actually cleared up an old question for me haha. I always wondered why nobody ever made custom "roms" like they did on Windows Mobile and Android.
Do you, by any chance, know if this is the same deal for iOS?
Thanks again for the info.

rwhitby said:
No such thing as 'ROMz' in webOS land. Your device contains flash memory, not Read-Only Memory (ROM) and you simply install and uninstall packages.
You are the chef. Preware is your menu. You pick and choose what kernel, patches, theme and packages you want, and all of them are installable over the air without needing to reflash your device or lose any data.
WebOS Internals provides the restaurant.
-- Rod Whitby
-- WebOS Internals Founder and Project Lead
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Thanks for the insight. That cleared up alot of my questions. How about the deal with flash? Anyone know of a program or custom kernel that enables it? I know Web OS 2.0 is supposed to have some rendition of it. Is it the real thing like Android has? If so, would we be able to make it work on an older version of Web OS? Anyone got any ideas? And thanks for your response Mr. Whitby

Leeboy said:
Thanks for the insight. That cleared up alot of my questions. How about the deal with flash? Anyone know of a program or custom kernel that enables it? I know Web OS 2.0 is supposed to have some rendition of it. Is it the real thing like Android has? If so, would we be able to make it work on an older version of Web OS? Anyone got any ideas? And thanks for your response Mr. Whitby
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There are all kinds of tutorials on the WebOS Internals Wiki. Those guys are awesome. They have walkthroughs forWebOS 2.1 on legacy Pres and everything. Including enabling Flash. I have used the tutorial and its thorough and intuitive. Check out their site! hxxp://w w w .webos-internals. o r g
Good Luck!
-NightHammer

nighthammer said:
There are all kinds of tutorials on the WebOS Internals Wiki. Those guys are awesome. They have walkthroughs forWebOS 2.1 on legacy Pres and everything. Including enabling Flash. I have used the tutorial and its thorough and intuitive. Check out their site! hxxp://w w w .webos-internals. o r g
Good Luck!
-NightHammer
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Cool man! Thanks for the advice I've been preoccupied with my Sprint Epic 4g. Time for a change of pace. I never really abandoned my Pre, just lost interest a few monthes back. Seems like there is far more information and programs available for WM & Android.....it's a damn shame I tell ya, the Pre is such a powerful little device. Thanks again for the info, I'll check it out tonight

Does anyone know of a video player that supports formats other than .mp4? Is it possible to create a video player that plays .wmv, .avi, divx or .mpg files? Maybe that's asking too much of this device. Any thoughts on this?

[Q] Touch HD Android Adobe Flash support? Info on how Android on SD works?

Hi everyone,
Just returning to the threads here to see how/if things have moved on. I've been running XDAndroidFRX05 and have just tried XDAndroidFRX06, I've also tried the FroyoXGinger build too from a while back.
My question is this, is there any build out there which supports Adobe flash which can run on the Blackstone? Or are there any other builds worth experimenting with (I'm currently having a go at CyanogenMod to see if that runs (ok CM7 not much works yet for Blackstone), now trying the XDAndroid GBX0A)?
I'll do my best to search for some more detail about Android on SD as I am well aware I don't have a clue how all the files interact so no doubt it will help to gain an understanding of it. If you know of a good guide then I would welcome a genital push in the right direction. [EDIT - I can't find anywhere which gives an explanation of what each file is and how it all fits together - I can probably guess but after some definite information if possible]
The NAND project is encouraging and hopefully it will allow android to run smoothly on our devices at some point, however for me the SDCard solution is much preferred as a dead/partly-working phone is no good for me.

I don't think Blackstone will ever run Flash because of the hardware limitations.

jeanfrederic said:
I don't think Blackstone will ever run Flash because of the hardware limitations.
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I know full flash was apparently limited to CortexA8 processors and up, but was unsure of the lite version.
Also SkyFire and uZard browsers add 3rd party support for videos from within the browsers. I guess I expected some version of flash lite would be possible, afterall hardware limits are often ignored on here.
It seems like it could be doable but I don't expect it to work that well and I guess the HD is too old for all that effort now.
Thanks for your answer though.

Dunno about Android, but Flash Lite is working on my Blackstone.
I sometimes use FlashLIGHT (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-flashlight.html ) application...

Bodisson said:
Dunno about Android, but Flash Lite is working on my Blackstone.
I sometimes use FlashLIGHT (http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-flashlight.html ) application...
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Of course then you can always resort to your FleshLight afterwards.
As for hardware, I've seen other Arm11 devices claim Flash 10.1 support, but perhaps that is due to extra decoder chips maybe.

i don't know about uzard, but skyfire renders the pages on a central server and just sends you a "screenshot" of the page. that is why skyfire is the full browsing experience including flash, java, html5, ajax and whatever else you can find. actually,when i last tested skyfire on winmo, by going to ip and browser checking sites, i found, that i was running mozilla firefox with an american ip, which also allowed hulu. /OT
as stated before, i wouldn't count on the blackstone being capable of handling the full flash experience, but flash light might work, or, depending on what you actually need flash for, there might be another way around it.