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Hi,
I noticed that OS constantly unloads my applications.
Say, I visit some page using IE, then switch to another application, then switch back - it is usually at the same page, but, probably depending on idle time, it sporadically gets closed.
That said, when I go to IE again, it starts afresh on its initial page and I must reload my page again. Needless to say, in most cases this is unacceptable. (extra traffic, so it costs $$, also GPRS could become unavailable etc :x )
How do I PREVENT this behaviour?
Not only IE suffers, any application! Sporadically exits despite of fact there are tons of free memory and I would better free resources with another way than just closing what is required for me.
I have elder device with PocketPC 3.0 (Cassiopeia E-125) and it does NOT behave in such a way. Does not close even it has 4times less memory! Now I understand how nice it is.
While this problem persists, I forced to have both devices with me.
Please help me solving this!
Vadim.
I've noticed the same behavior randomly also. I don't have a fix, but you're not alone.
What ROM version are you using? There was an issue with the earlier ROMS in that there were too many programs running and when you launched another program the OS would terminate a background program to provide the necesssary process space.
The newer ROMs have solved this problem, but CheckNotify and ClearNotify (search the forum) will help with the earlier ROMs.
This is an old problem, related to the number of running processes.
Consult this thread
http://www.ppcw.net/?itemid=1645
which will show you how to solve it. Also the newer roms cut down on the number of processes at startup, which helps.
Surur
Mine is much more random than that described. Sometimes I can have a half dozen apps open with no problem, and sometimes a single app will close itself while I work in the phone or the Today screen.
Carlos said:
Mine is much more random than that described. Sometimes I can have a half dozen apps open with no problem, and sometimes a single app will close itself while I work in the phone or the Today screen.
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Don't forget that we are talking processes, not appications, here. One app. may have many processes and multiple app's may use the same common processes. Therefore, launching one application can generate a number of new processes and that can push you over the limit (e.g. ActiveSync, which launches three or four I recall), so something gets nuked.
I understand, and was looking for a pattern, but there is none. In fact, it seems reversed, as it happens more often while I'm just out and about and less frequenty while the device is in the cradle. Very often it happens after a fresh boot with a single app running.
I may look at it more closely with a process viewer. It's not bugging me enough to make it a priority.
Thank you all for providing many help!
surur said:
This is an old problem, related to the number of running processes.
Consult this thread
http://www.ppcw.net/?itemid=1645
which will show you how to solve it. Also the newer roms cut down on the number of processes at startup, which helps.
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That explains it all, many fruitful comments, and a prove that there could be no fix but just temporary solutions to reduce a problem a bit.
It is a bit larger problem in my case, because I use special sotware to support Russian.
Too bad MS can't recognize and fix such a big design mistakes.
Please read carefully!
A very good way of saving battery life is turning the 3G connection on only when needed.
Unfortunately there currently is no api that allows doing that, only two apps that use a workaround and require your special attention for signing.
The first app is Toggle 2G and is made by our fellow member TheMasterBaron and it requires custom signing.
The second one is JuiceDefender's addon "AOSP helper":
The AOSP helper might work on other "pure" AOSP custom ROMs - it just requires signing by the "cook". If you want the AOSP helper to work with your custom ROM, contact me - I'll send you the apk for you to sign.
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If you are serious about rom cooking and want to prove so, please post the name and status(Working, which one of the 2 apps?/Not working) of your ROM.
Thanks for your interest
The final purpose of this addition to a custom rom is the ability to switch 3G on automatically(via Tasker or JuiceDefende) when starting preselected apps (like internet) and turning back to 2G mode when speed is no longer required, thus saving a lot of battery)
Please do not post or talk about useless apps like switchpro that is only a shortcut to mobile network settings or widgets that turn off the connection completely.
This is about api level implementation of this feature, if you don't know what that means please refrain from posting,
switchpro widget has workaround to swap 2G/3G
Juice defender is great control everything you need
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Smoda widget does 2g/3g switching
This thread is for rom cookers only and is about switching from 3G to 2G (not turning internet off) automatically (not by entering the settings menu from a shortcut)
Would love the jd to work.
Funny thing - it actually works on froyo (at least jpc).
Try reading the setup log, AOSP plug-in install always fails (JPK).
Didnt use anything newer than JPC, but I installed and used AOSP helper on it (that was quite a long time ago). JD version was something like 2.1.8 (agcourse dont remember the exact version, just guessing).
This is certainly valuable info, there was a note somewhere about these two apps being able to work on leaked roms.
well, def doesn't work on JPK
I would love this though, I hate having to disable the APN or switch it to GSM just so my batt doesn't die in 12hrs. if it could go 3G only for internet/youtube etc and 2G for everything else that'd be awesome
Yup, that's what I want, but we have to get the cook's attention first
I have code that can switch 2G/3G on SGS stock ROMs. Haven't released it yet though, as for now it only works on GSM, and on some other devices it pops up the PIN screen for some reason. Haven't figured out exactly why yet, but it works great on my SGS, anyways.
It'll be released soon ... (I'm actually working on a WMLongLife port to Android)
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I have code that can switch 2G/3G on SGS stock ROMs. Haven't released it yet though, as for now it only works on GSM, and on some other devices it pops up the PIN screen for some reason. Haven't figured out exactly why yet, but it works great on my SGS, anyways.
It'll be released soon ... (I'm actually working on a WMLongLife port to Android)
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Awesome! can't wait
Chainfire said:
I have code that can switch 2G/3G on SGS stock ROMs. Haven't released it yet though, as for now it only works on GSM, and on some other devices it pops up the PIN screen for some reason. Haven't figured out exactly why yet, but it works great on my SGS, anyways.
It'll be released soon ... (I'm actually working on a WMLongLife port to Android)
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Sweet.
Any chance for auto-2g/3g toggle when the screen goes off? That would be really nifty!
..and maybe a bit buggy too.
I'd rather have something I can use with Tasker to create my own rules.
Yup, a working app is all we need and Tasker can do the rest
I only want to use it for selected apps like the browser, market etc.
I also thin it would be best to have an app for on and one for off to ease the toggling process and not accidentally turn it on instead of off since I don't know if Tasker can check the GSM status this way (and if it does it would require a new rule making it more complicated)
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Yup, a working app is all we need and Tasker can do the rest
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What we really need is "Tasker" to be Android-native like it is on the iPhone. And control over communication without Google breathing down our necks too much. The whole existence of this topic is because Google set it up for 2-way data gathering with both parties (you and the application) having an equal say in the matter. Both parties can bend this mechanism to their liking somewhat in practice.
Ummm... google didn't provide the api, that's it... There's no issue with tasker.
There's plenty of alternatives(2 as far as I looked) for this particular "task" but the switch is what's missing.
Maybe we'll get the api in a later version and various coding tricks won't be required anymore.
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Ummm... google didn't provide the api, that's it... There's no issue with tasker.
There's plenty of alternatives(2 as far as I looked) for this particular "task" but the switch is what's missing.
Maybe we'll get the api in a later version and various coding tricks won't be required anymore.
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The point with Tasker (and alternatives) is that you get about 80% of what you want/ need (in
Eclair) which might be enough for what you want or totally inadequate. It cannot truly detect (let alone intercept) an application start or exit, but will in general always lag behind the facts. In Froyo this becomes especially clear as there are even less hookups for work-arounds causing pathetic behavior at times.
What good is it to have a 3G/2G switch if you cannot let it start before your browser, unless using a script + custom icon. How do you detect if you left the browser if Tasker (for instance) treats any change of application (even switching) as leaving the previous one? In Froyo this currently means that it actually waits till you start a new application before it "sees" the exit of the previous one, which you left a minute ago. You really want native control over these things as well.
But enough of this.
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Uh, how so? I used it for quite a while and I haven't seen any lags or issues in task execution.
You can't really ask it to predict your thoughts now can you
I don't have data to spare to test things myself until next month, and have a fairly stable PPP setup anyway.
But I figured if someone wants to experiment the following might be worth a shot.
What I've done is attach a zip with 4 sample options files for pppd that attempt to address issues I've seen with pppd. Specifically the crash with memory issues due to compression, and pppd dying when disconnected and needing to be restarted (eg by LeTama's v0.3 wrapper). If you want to try these out I would suggest using them in conjunction with his wrapper as I'm unsure how other versions may work: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824413
The 4 versions for testing are as follows:
option1
- Makes the buffer size used for compression as small as possible.
- Tries to make the connection persistant.
option2
- Disables compression.
- Tries to make the connection persistant.
option3
- Makes the buffer size used for compression as small as possible.
option4
- Disables compression.
To use them they will need to be copied to your /etc/ppp/ folder as "options" and you'll need to ensure it's readable.
If you don't know what I mean I suggest you don't bother trying this.
If you do know what you're doing then you can try experimenting with the different options and see if they make things better/worse.
option3 is probably the safest, option4 may be needed if things still crash due to memory issues with option3.
option1 would be the ideal, but I can't guarantee the persist option is possible.
If option1 or option3 prove to improve things and prevent the crash, then the values used could be slowly increased (to a max of 15) to see if crashes start happening again.
Anyway, just something else the more adventurous and tech savvy users out there with PPP issues can try.
Can I copy these over via ADB push while Android is running, or do I need to put them in the Android root folder so they'll get copied into place on reboot?
Well with Option 1 the data connections drops almost instantly, Option 2 is doing without drops for 10 min now, but it is too early to say if it's an improvement over the old options.
Does compression influence the connection speed? Option 2 works as fast as possible on HSDPA... Option 2 dropped after about 15 minutes when downloading from the market, but downloading from the market was much faster than before.
Should we be copying it as "options" with no file extension or "options.smd"?
Probably as options.smd, that's what I did and it seemed to have some effect...
Now testing option3, will mess with it for the rest of the day and see what happens. At first glance, it seems a bit slow, but that's anecdotal at best.
MAsterokki said:
Well with Option 1 the data connections drops almost instantly, Option 2 is doing without drops for 10 min now, but it is too early to say if it's an improvement over the old options.
Does compression influence the connection speed? Option 2 works as fast as possible on HSDPA... Option 2 dropped after about 15 minutes when downloading from the market, but downloading from the market was much faster than before.
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Seems like I drew my conclusion from Option 1 too early, after a reboot it works great, I have been downloading MDJ newest rom for 10 min now which resulted 20% of 170mb (from multiupload). No drops untill now, definitely a huge improvement over the old options.smd. Thanks alot Hastarin!
question when i get to the ppp file in i see options.smd and a options.smd1 do i just add this new option to it or delete the old ones and replace with this one?
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question when i get to the ppp file in i see options.smd and a options.smd1 do i just add this new option to it or delete the old ones and replace with this one?
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I would backup your original files first, although the orig options.smd is probably blank anyhow.
Replace the options.smd with the renamed options from hastarin.
Hastarin, do you happen to know the default options when we were using the default "blank" options.smd? Does it use compression etc. Thanks for your efforts!
noellenchris said:
Hastarin, do you happen to know the default options when we were using the default "blank" options.smd? Does it use compression etc. Thanks for your efforts!
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The wrapper supplies nodetach, debug and something I can't recall atm (should be in IRC logs).
Compression will be used by pppd by default but I couldn't find information on what size buffer it uses by default.
Google pppd man page for more information.
You are right about options.smd being the safest option. Using options file may affect other things that use pppd if there are any.
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Option1 seems to be working fine for me right now. I will report more in a few hours while I'm out.
Hey just wanted to say that I am checking out these options also. So far using option1 and I haven't had any data drops or freezes. Haven't been able to test it extensively yet but will over the next few hours.
With option 1 can you make sure you can switch between WiFi and data and back again? And that you can turn mobile data off and on? And perhaps airplane mode and back to be thorough?
Thanks
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It seems after some time options.smd gets reset to blank by itself? Anyone noticed?
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memin1857 said:
It seems after some time options.smd gets reset to blank by itself? Anyone noticed?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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I haven't rebooted yet, but mine is still there and not blank. I will try to toggle wifi etc next. Otherwise it's still rolling well, no disconnects yet or hangs.
memin1857 said:
It seems after some time options.smd gets reset to blank by itself? Anyone noticed?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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I set mine to read only in case this actually happens lol.
noellenchris said:
I haven't rebooted yet, but mine is still there and not blank. I will try to toggle wifi etc next. Otherwise it's still rolling well, no disconnects yet or hangs.
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Lucky.. I still can't get mine to last longer than 5 seconds.
Ok with option1 I started experiencing some data freeze again. It happened while downloading a large file and then again when I switched to wifi tethering. The freeze actually freezes my entire system and then my phone runs really really slow. It may be the build that I am using so I am going to try an older build that did not seem to have this problem. I will run option1 for a while again and then try the others.
Option 1 is no good - I think the persist option keeps 3g "connected" even though I'm getting timeouts, instead of dropping and reestablishing data connection.
Will test the other options once I upgrade to 0.4 ril wrapper and S4 mdeejay kernel.
EDIT: oh yeah, I noticed though the default options.smd is blank, when pppd is running it creates a options1.smd in /etc/ and it has the words "user dummy" in it?
EDIT: Feb 14 / 2012 - Wow. It has been a while. I pre-ordered one of the original DVPs, went on the roller-coaster ride of trying to get it SIM unlocked, returned it to Dell and took the 15% restocking hit, then watched in agony as a simple "just email Dell" free unlocking solution came available about a month later. I've had a second-hand HD2 through most of 2011, running various builds of WP7 and Android, until the digitizer bit the dust. Just snapped up a DVP on eBay - I'm back baby! Time to update this thread.
Whether you're a DVP owner, future owner or still on the fence about a purchase, it might be useful to have a single thread listing the known issues with this model (and any discovered fixes, workarounds, etc.). I'll try to keep this up-to-date based on comments below. Have I missed anything?
Compass driver broken by Mango update
Much-discussed; interop unlock or custom firmware would allow a fix (i.e. flashing an unsigned cab could potentially put the old driver back)
No HSPA or roaming triangle indicators
Diagnosis: software issue... can't get an "H" or triangle symbol to appear in the relevant contexts.
Apparently this is only an issue on TMO-US branded units, and it is entirely cosmetic. Interop unlock would allow us to make the necessary registry edits to bring back the HSPA indicator.
Camera: slow shutter speed = blurry indoor shots
Partially improved in successive firmware updates
Flaky reception
Somewhat improved, according to user reports.
Cell radio: drops connections when switching from 2G to 3G
Fixed by Dell in new units.
WiFi: some devices can't connect to secure networks
Fixed by Dell in new units.
SIM: error
Fixed by Dell in new units.
Windows Phone 7 general issues
No copy & paste
Fixed in NoDo
Email: forwarding from non-Exchange account uses .eml attachment instead of inline text
Fixed
Camera: issues with retaining settings
Fixed
Headphone jack: curved, bad connection?
I don't think the headphone Jack poor connection is explicitly caused by the curved jack. Checking out my friends HTC desire, I noticed that it too has a curved jack that doesn't completely cover the headphone plug.
jcoob said:
Headphone jack: curved, bad connection?
I don't think the headphone Jack poor connection is explicitly caused by the curved jack. Checking out my friends HTC desire, I noticed that it too has a curved jack that doesn't completely cover the headphone plug.
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Thanks. I'm partly basing this on a youtube video from a DVP owner who demonstrates how the earphone jack won't plug all the way in, because of the curved design.
Can any actual DVP owners comment on this? Is the problem widespread?
RE: SIM locking of Dell Venue Pro
Note: the following threads discuss DVP-US frequencies, possible SIM-locking to T-mobile (even for off-contract, paid-in-full devices), etc.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858181
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857572
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838105&page=51
Awesome thread, love the idea & I haven't really heard much of the issues listed here but its great that you put it out there.
Hopefully many get fixed in the upcoming update in January or even the new devices.
Many don't seem to apply to me like the camera since I rarely ever use the camera but the 2G to 3G one is pretty big.
The camera was bad in the first phone I received (Engineering Sample) but in the next phone the Cam was alright. This unit didn't have that slow shutter problem
The images were comparable to HD7.
benjaminries said:
Whether you're a DVP owner, future owner or still on the fence about a purchase, it might be useful to have a single thread listing the known issues with this model (and any discovered fixes, workarounds, etc.). I'll try to keep this up-to-date based on comments below. Have I missed anything?
Camera: slow shutter speed = blurry indoor shots
Reported here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841391
Diagnosis: since the camera EXIF reports that it is the same hardware as the iPhone 4, hopefully this can be fixed via software patch
Solution: might have been fixed in updated device ROM? (thanks eyan15 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9552249&postcount=6 - can somebody confirm?)
Camera: issues with retaining settings
Reported here: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b.../19/where-we-are-with-the-dell-venue-pro.aspx
Diagnosis: software bug
Solution: unknown
Cell radio: drops connections when switching from 2G to 3G
Reported here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839051
Diagnosis: radio firmware issue?
Solution: unknown
Headphone jack: curved, bad connection?
Reported here: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b.../19/where-we-are-with-the-dell-venue-pro.aspx
Diagnosis: hardware design flaw?
Solution: unknown
WiFi: some devices can't connect to secure networks
Widely reported
Diagnosis: firmware bug
Solution: these units can be exchanged at their source
SIM: error
Reported here: http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/11/23/dell.venue.pro.sim.card.flaw.among.many.issues/
Diagnosis: firmware bug or hardware issue
Solution: these units can be exchanged at their source
Windows Phone 7 general issues
No copy & paste
Widely reported
Diagnosis: missing feature
Solution: OS update in January 2011 will add clipboard functionality
Email: forwarding from non-Exchange account uses .eml attachment instead of inline text
Reported here: http://wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-email-bug-discovered-when-forwarding-non-exchange-accounts
Diagnosis: software bug
Solution: unknown
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Might want to add these to the Windows phone 7 list:
1) No real multi-tasking support to speak of in phone 7, even the "back" button doesn't bring you back to an active program in most cases, but the program has to re-initialize.
2) No support for mobile hotspot function in phone 7
3) No true "live tile" support for 3rd party apps (like twitter etc...); more like dead tiles.
I am concerned that the speed of WP7 is dependent on only having 1 app running and therefore MS doesn't want multi-tasking.
sureloch said:
Might want to add these to the Windows phone 7 list:
1) No real multi-tasking support to speak of in phone 7, even the "back" button doesn't bring you back to an active program in most cases, but the program has to re-initialize.
2) No support for mobile hotspot function in phone 7
3) No true "live tile" support for 3rd party apps (like twitter etc...); more like dead tiles.
I am concerned that the speed of WP7 is dependent on only having 1 app running and therefore MS doesn't want multi-tasking.
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This stuff crosses over into general criticisms of the OS. I'm trying to restrict bugs to things that were obviously overlooked or have been announced as upcoming fixes - not new features or disagreements over design.
This is an Windows Phone 7 bug, all devices suffer from this. So while this is an issue nonetheless, you should not decide not to get the Dell Venue Pro based on this 'bug' alone. If you want a Windows Phone 7 device, you will have this problem, hopefully Microsoft will fix it in the next update.
Camera: issues with retaining settings
Reported here: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-bl...venue-pro.aspx
Diagnosis: software bug
Solution: unknown
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KilZone said:
This is an Windows Phone 7 bug, all devices suffer from this. So while this is an issue nonetheless, you should not decide not to get the Dell Venue Pro based on this 'bug' alone. If you want a Windows Phone 7 device, you will have this problem, hopefully Microsoft will fix it in the next update.
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Thanks for the correction; I was under the impression that each OEM made their own customized Camera app. Curious if they all suffer from the same problem - hopefully that means it will be fixed in the January update.
eyan15 said:
The camera was bad in the first phone I received (Engineering Sample) but in the next phone the Cam was alright. This unit didn't have that slow shutter problem
The images were comparable to HD7.
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This is the only thing preventing me from ordering this phone. Can anyone else confirm this issue has in fact been resolved?
seatown1two said:
This is the only thing preventing me from ordering this phone. Can anyone else confirm this issue has in fact been resolved?
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We might not get this confirmed until late December - as far as I can tell by the forums, many of the early birds who got their DVPs from the Microsoft Stores are still waiting on replacement units. Hopefully one or two other people who have already got a good replacement can chime in here, but I fear we won't know the status of these issues until the big wave of online orders start shipping out.
Call me crazy, but I think that if this is a simple software issue, Dell will fix it. In the alternative maybe we'll see some homebrew camera apps next year that we can sideload
sureloch said:
Might want to add these to the Windows phone 7 list:
1) No real multi-tasking support to speak of in phone 7, even the "back" button doesn't bring you back to an active program in most cases, but the program has to re-initialize.
2) No support for mobile hotspot function in phone 7
3) No true "live tile" support for 3rd party apps (like twitter etc...); more like dead tiles.
I am concerned that the speed of WP7 is dependent on only having 1 app running and therefore MS doesn't want multi-tasking.
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1. That is the fault of the developers of the apps. The OS supports save states so when you go back it resumes where you left off. You can see this in OEM apps like IE, but the 3rd party browsers don't do this.
2. Not sure if that is in the works
3. Since when? Weatherbug, weather channel, flixter, beez twit app all support live tiles.
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1. That is the fault of the developers of the apps. The OS supports save states so when you go back it resumes where you left off. You can see this in OEM apps like IE, but the 3rd party browsers don't do this.
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This is an interesting one. I agree with you that a lot of this is developer-related, but I think Microsoft will still end up making some adjustments to multitasking next year. Remember that the internal system apps (like IE) are permitted to do true background multitasking by the OS, while 3rd-party apps aren't.
I have read that the save state thing is kind of tricky because apps often don't get a warning that they are about to be put to sleep - the OS just responds instantly when you hit "back" or "home". So the only apps that can take advantage of this feature are the ones that are saving their state all the time - which is only practical for some app designs. A 3rd-party music or video app might make a record of whatever song or video you're watching, but must it save the elapsed track time every second? Every 10 seconds? Whatever granularity is chosen will be the state you can return to after the app loses focus.
MS needs to allow true background multitasking/threading in a few limited situations:
- the app loses focus, receives a "save your current state" message from the OS, and is allowed to save its state in the background
- the app sends a tiny bit of data to the cloud every 5 minutes (i.e. Google Latitude) - MS could maybe impose a "maximum lines of code" on this upload function?
- the app does a tiny bit of processing with the push data it gets from the cloud, without necessarily getting user interaction
I believe allowing these three types of multitasking would really open up possibilities for developers.
What you say is not entirely true. Applications do receive a warning when the system is going to navigate away from the application, just the way like you suggest it as the first option. However in practice it is a little more complicated than that.
There are 4 events in Windows Phone 7, Launch/Close and Activated/Deactivated. The first two are just the startup and closing of the two while the latter is the tombstoning warning and retrieval event. So when your application receives it's 'deactivated' message, it is allowed to do some final saving of it's state (there is a time limit, but it's rather flexible). Windows Phone will navigate away even though the save state hasn't been completed yet, so that part of 'multi-tasking' is implemented.
The problem you all mention comes from the fact that 'home' and 'back' are not the same for 3rd-party applications (and even some internal ones). Back is generally seen as 'back one page' and 'home' as 'go to the start screen'. However if you are 1 page away from the home screen, the 'back' button will act as 'close' button... So it will sent a 'close' event to the application, rather than the 'deactivated' event (and not allowing the application to tombstone itself). This way, the next time you boot the application it will restart as it will receive the 'launch' event and not the 'activated' one. Easiest 'solution' is to use the 'home' button instead, however this will mess up your 'back'-botton behaviour a little.
benjaminries said:
[...]I have read that the save state thing is kind of tricky because apps often don't get a warning that they are about to be put to sleep - the OS just responds instantly when you hit "back" or "home". [...]
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Basically I think Microsoft needs to 'fix' the 'back'-button acting as 'close'-button, as no-one thinks it will act this way.
KilZone said:
What you say is not entirely true.
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LOL, it sounds like I was pretty darn close for a lay-person. I don't have a WP7 device yet, but tell me, how often to do you navigate away from an app OTHER than by going to the homescreen? The only other way I can imagine is by accepting some kind of toast push notification, pressing the Search button or the Camera button.
The bottom line is that MS intended to do this better - but as you have said, apps are often losing focus in a way that doesn't even allow the app to save its state, even if it has been designed to do so. Apps should be given a chance to save their state whether they're being minimized or closed, so they can return to the last state whether they're being woken up or started fresh.
You were quite close indeed and you're right that this is quite an irritating bug (Microsoft might say it's a feature, but let's keep it at a bug for now). Mostly because as a Windows Phone user you have no idea when an application 'closes' or 'tombstones'...
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LOL, it sounds like I was pretty darn close for a lay-person. [...] The bottom line is that MS intended to do this better - but as you have said, apps are often losing focus in a way that doesn't even allow the app to save its state, even if it has been designed to do so.
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Agreed, I think you have a valid point there. It certainly would increase the multi-task-experience (even though it is not true multi-tasking) as all applications would seem as if they were running next to eachother (as was the idea initially). It might be nice if an application could implement 'tombstoning' when it receives the 'close' command, which is not available right now (no access to the tombstoning service).
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Apps should be given a chance to save their state whether they're being minimized or closed, so they can return to the last state whether they're being woken up or started fresh.
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1. That is the fault of the developers of the apps. The OS supports save states so when you go back it resumes where you left off. You can see this in OEM apps like IE, but the 3rd party browsers don't do this.
2. Not sure if that is in the works
3. Since when? Weatherbug, weather channel, flixter, beez twit app all support live tiles.
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I hope you are correct as I have ordered thte dvp, but though the suspend/resume multi-tasking sounds like a good idea, it seems extremely weak in practice.
Here is a clip showing the types of behaviors that concern me including the live tile issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNfpPrto07Q&feature=related
WP7 is a very elaborate and beautiful operating system which must require heavy resources to accomplish. Perhaps we will have to wait for dual core devices before we will see WP7 multi-tasking like we would hope. But it seems like the caching and accessing current tasks to preserve resouces could be done more effectively, and would definitely improve the user experience.
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Agreed, I think you have a valid point there. It certainly would increase the multi-task-experience (even though it is not true multi-tasking) as all applications would seem as if they were running next to eachother (as was the idea initially). It might be nice if an application could implement 'tombstoning' when it receives the 'close' command, which is not available right now (no access to the tombstoning service).
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The App Style Guide is clear about the 'right' app behaviour, and I'm sure Microsoft consider it a feature, not a bug. It enforces a set of rules that they just expect users to get used to:
1) Switching away from an app (e.g. hitting search or launch) should leave the app in a state where you can come back to it (and pick up again from where you left off) by pressing the back button.
2) The way to terminate an app is to 'back out' of it. Once you have terminated an app, you can't come back to it.
3) Whenever you launch an app from the menu, it will start from scratch.
Microsoft's own apps follow this pattern.
These rules are intended to give the feeling of 'all apps existing in a stack' (like the stack of navigations you move through when using a web browser). I think that represents a conscious design decision on Microsoft's part ... maybe a bad design decision, but not a bug as such.
By the way, an app can trap and modify the behaviour of the 'back' key. Actually, the developer has to do this, to ensure that the app does the right thing in all cases (for instance, if the app has a popup dialog open, the 'back' key will close the popup dialog, not back out of the app). This does give the app a chance to respond to the 'back out' action, by saving state or by putting up a 'do you really want to quit?' message. But Rule #3 above means that when the app is restarted, it has to look like a new instance of the app, not a continuation of the instance that the user terminated.
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But Rule #3 above means that when the app is restarted, it has to look like a new instance of the app, not a continuation of the instance that the user terminated.
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Interesting. It would be nice if there was at least some subtle little toast or something like "do you want to pick up where you left off?", maybe just for apps that are super-complex, at the developer's discretion.
Whatever MS and developers did, I'm glad that MS appears to recognize that users aren't super happy with the outcome - I believe we'll see a change in the second update of 2011.
What I hate about Samsung Galaxy SIII
Add to the list if you can.
-Social Networking: Phone has no built-in social networking app. You soon find yourself jumping in the market from one app to the other. Modern phones now combine the social networking experience and offer social networking hubs that combine all of your contacts from several social networks and email services in one single place.
-Text Messaging: Unlike most stock text messaging apps, there seems to be no built-in support for delivery reporting. So instead of a small icon on the corner of the text messages you send that display the status of the message (Delivered, pending, or failed) you get an annoying notification in the status bar along with the default notification ringtone whenever a message is successfully delivered.
-Task Management: There is no preinstalled stock app for managing running services. You would have to scroll through the android setting menu in order to be able to kill any task you need to. Motorola photon, for example, offers this really intuitive automatic task killer that kills user defined apps 2 minutes after screen timeout. You won't find that in any of the task killer apps in the android market.
-Stock Dialer: Stock dialer is anything but smart. Whenever you dial a part of a name or a part of a number you only get one entry to chooser or you will have to scroll down through a huge list. The order of the entries in the list is even strange. It does not show the most frequently contacted entries at the top of the list rather the closest match to what you have entered.
-TouchWiz: While the ICS has lowered the stupidity of the TouchWiz Interface (better way to add widgets than before and support for resizing and scrollable widgets), Samsung decided to change nothing else about the TouchWiz interface which is quiet strange because it does need a lot of fixes.
-WIFI: WIFI signal was much worse than all of the other phones I had in the house. And one time the WIFI got disconnected suddenly for no reason. It only happenned once but it's a bad indication never the less.
-GPS: Samsung claims that the support for GLONASS will help get better accuracy on the location results. I used gps test on two phones (GSIII and Xperia X10) both with a GPS cold start and it took the GSIII 30 seconds more time to get my location with an accuracy of 2 meters less than the Xperia.
-Hardware: Same annoying layout of the back and menu button. Despite the fact that google has given a default layout of the back, home, and menu buttons, certain manufacturers still insist on reversing the order of those buttons.
-Stock browser: Very poor support for flash. I played a video on CNN website using the latest version of Flash and the video streaming was not consistent most of the time.
-Camera: Yes. The camera is cool but only because it's a copy of HTC one X's camera. Still not a good camera for shooting in low light.
Well. That's about it. So if you're still looking for a feature-free quad-core ICS phone, you will want to buy SGSiii.
Sell it and stop wasting our time .
jje
Who paid you to post this ?
CyanogenMod 9 fixes many of the software complaints you listed.
I can't stand TouchWiz. AOSP-like ROM's on the SGS3 is perfect for me. Hopefully you feel the same.
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Sell it and stop wasting our time .
jje
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+1.....that's why they have display models in phone shops, so you can have a feel for the phone before you buy it. You've obviously missed this point....sell your phone if you don't like it and stop cluttering up the S3 forums with pathetic ****e like this....reported to moderator for encouraging flaming! Absolutely ridiculous!!
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You might want to do more research on task management in Android, particularly on ICS. You'll note Motorola has removed that task manager app from their ICS updates. You'll also note you can remove applications by swiping them away from the multitasking menu, and that there's a task manager available from within that menu.
Additionally, the S III's camera is demonstrably better than that of the HTC One X, which - naturally for HTC - uses a lot of compression. HTC's camera app itself is, I found, better than Samsung's, but it's the end results that matter.
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What I hate about Samsung Galaxy SIII
Add to the list if you can.
-Social Networking: Phone has no built-in social networking app. You soon find yourself jumping in the market from one app to the other. Modern phones now combine the social networking experience and offer social networking hubs that combine all of your contacts from several social networks and email services in one single place.
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So you can go to the market and download the same app that other phones have built in and get the same functionality and feature set, only those people who dont use social media will not be annoyed by having an app they cannot remove running constantly without rooting
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-Text Messaging: Unlike most stock text messaging apps, there seems to be no built-in support for delivery reporting. So instead of a small icon on the corner of the text messages you send that display the status of the message (Delivered, pending, or failed) you get an annoying notification in the status bar along with the default notification ringtone whenever a message is successfully delivered.
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The stock messaging app is ugly and poor. Swapped it out for the AOSP (Blacked out version) as soon as I could
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-Task Management: There is no preinstalled stock app for managing running services. You would have to scroll through the android setting menu in order to be able to kill any task you need to. Motorola photon, for example, offers this really intuitive automatic task killer that kills user defined apps 2 minutes after screen timeout. You won't find that in any of the task killer apps in the android market.
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Long-press home shows recent applications. At the bottom of the screen is a huge "Task manager" button. Needless to say, you only need to kill applications that are frozen. You do not need any task killer from the market. You also do not need to kill apps after 2 minutes. They will sit in RAM using no battery. If Android feels RAM needs to be cleared, it will use its pre-defined "Out-Of-Memory" values and kill tasks according to a task status based rule set. Read about RAM in my signature.
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-Stock Dialer: Stock dialer is anything but smart. Whenever you dial a part of a name or a part of a number you only get one entry to chooser or you will have to scroll down through a huge list. The order of the entries in the list is even strange. It does not show the most frequently contacted entries at the top of the list rather the closest match to what you have entered.
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Not had any issues myself. Although to be fair, I usually pick contacts to dial from contacts. As I have done since the 1990's
Manar Aleryani said:
-TouchWiz: While the ICS has lowered the stupidity of the TouchWiz Interface (better way to add widgets than before and support for resizing and scrollable widgets), Samsung decided to change nothing else about the TouchWiz interface which is quiet strange because it does need a lot of fixes.
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Touchwiz is awful. Sense is awful. 3rd party launchers have always been my preference
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-WIFI: WIFI signal was much worse than all of the other phones I had in the house. And one time the WIFI got disconnected suddenly for no reason. It only happenned once but it's a bad indication never the less.
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No worse than my HTC Desire
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-GPS: Samsung claims that the support for GLONASS will help get better accuracy on the location results. I used gps test on two phones (GSIII and Xperia X10) both with a GPS cold start and it took the GSIII 30 seconds more time to get my location with an accuracy of 2 meters less than the Xperia.
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Unable to comment. Not really used. Quoting to show I am not conveniently missing things
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-Hardware: Same annoying layout of the back and menu button. Despite the fact that google has given a default layout of the back, home, and menu buttons, certain manufacturers still insist on reversing the order of those buttons.
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Yep, same layout I've had on my android devices. Missed the extra buttons on the desire but after a couple of days I found it quite intuitive. Back button is fine where it is for me. Where its always been as far as I am concerned.
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-Stock browser: Very poor support for flash. I played a video on CNN website using the latest version of Flash and the video streaming was not consistent most of the time.
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Again I cant comment. All I can say is the browser annoyed me in several ways and I had to swap it out almost immidiately.
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-Camera: Yes. The camera is cool but only because it's a copy of HTC one X's camera. Still not a good camera for shooting in low light.
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Not convinced any of them are.
Manar Aleryani said:
Well. That's about it. So if you're still looking for a feature-free quad-core ICS phone, you will want to buy SGSiii.
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Erm.. Feature free? Thats a bit of a joke. The SGS3 packs in more technology than ANYTHING on the android market. Lots of cool stuff that the competition simply hasn't got. You're pretty aggresive about the SGS3.
Task manager: press and hold home button. Running tasks pop up, with a one click link to task manager. Hard? I think not .
Social media: Flipboard is preinstalled on mine. Doesn't yours work?
Had my SGS3 for less than a day, and while there are some annoyances, not these ones.
I suspect sir, you may be trolling just a bit ;-)
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Manar Aleryani said:
What I hate about Samsung Galaxy SIII
Add to the list if you can.
-Social Networking: Phone has no built-in social networking app. You soon find yourself jumping in the market from one app to the other. Modern phones now combine the social networking experience and offer social networking hubs that combine all of your contacts from several social networks and email services in one single place.
-Text Messaging: Unlike most stock text messaging apps, there seems to be no built-in support for delivery reporting. So instead of a small icon on the corner of the text messages you send that display the status of the message (Delivered, pending, or failed) you get an annoying notification in the status bar along with the default notification ringtone whenever a message is successfully delivered.
-Task Management: There is no preinstalled stock app for managing running services. You would have to scroll through the android setting menu in order to be able to kill any task you need to. Motorola photon, for example, offers this really intuitive automatic task killer that kills user defined apps 2 minutes after screen timeout. You won't find that in any of the task killer apps in the android market.
-Stock Dialer: Stock dialer is anything but smart. Whenever you dial a part of a name or a part of a number you only get one entry to chooser or you will have to scroll down through a huge list. The order of the entries in the list is even strange. It does not show the most frequently contacted entries at the top of the list rather the closest match to what you have entered.
-TouchWiz: While the ICS has lowered the stupidity of the TouchWiz Interface (better way to add widgets than before and support for resizing and scrollable widgets), Samsung decided to change nothing else about the TouchWiz interface which is quiet strange because it does need a lot of fixes.
-WIFI: WIFI signal was much worse than all of the other phones I had in the house. And one time the WIFI got disconnected suddenly for no reason. It only happenned once but it's a bad indication never the less.
-GPS: Samsung claims that the support for GLONASS will help get better accuracy on the location results. I used gps test on two phones (GSIII and Xperia X10) both with a GPS cold start and it took the GSIII 30 seconds more time to get my location with an accuracy of 2 meters less than the Xperia.
-Hardware: Same annoying layout of the back and menu button. Despite the fact that google has given a default layout of the back, home, and menu buttons, certain manufacturers still insist on reversing the order of those buttons.
-Stock browser: Very poor support for flash. I played a video on CNN website using the latest version of Flash and the video streaming was not consistent most of the time.
-Camera: Yes. The camera is cool but only because it's a copy of HTC one X's camera. Still not a good camera for shooting in low light.
Well. That's about it. So if you're still looking for a feature-free quad-core ICS phone, you will want to buy SGSiii.
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hello.
i must say that i have my phone also for a very little amount of time.
the things you say are real.But thats the beauty of it.
you could allways improve your phone here in xda.
ruianast
Umm. I get GPS locks in under the second from a cold start. I've never had a phone do it that fast before. Either your phone is faulty or you live in a lead house.
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Manar Aleryani said:
What I hate about Samsung Galaxy SIII
Add to the list if you can.
-Social Networking: Phone has no built-in social networking app. You soon find yourself jumping in the market from one app to the other. Modern phones now combine the social networking experience and offer social networking hubs that combine all of your contacts from several social networks and email services in one single place.
-Text Messaging: Unlike most stock text messaging apps, there seems to be no built-in support for delivery reporting. So instead of a small icon on the corner of the text messages you send that display the status of the message (Delivered, pending, or failed) you get an annoying notification in the status bar along with the default notification ringtone whenever a message is successfully delivered.
-Task Management: There is no preinstalled stock app for managing running services. You would have to scroll through the android setting menu in order to be able to kill any task you need to. Motorola photon, for example, offers this really intuitive automatic task killer that kills user defined apps 2 minutes after screen timeout. You won't find that in any of the task killer apps in the android market.
-Stock Dialer: Stock dialer is anything but smart. Whenever you dial a part of a name or a part of a number you only get one entry to chooser or you will have to scroll down through a huge list. The order of the entries in the list is even strange. It does not show the most frequently contacted entries at the top of the list rather the closest match to what you have entered.
-TouchWiz: While the ICS has lowered the stupidity of the TouchWiz Interface (better way to add widgets than before and support for resizing and scrollable widgets), Samsung decided to change nothing else about the TouchWiz interface which is quiet strange because it does need a lot of fixes.
-WIFI: WIFI signal was much worse than all of the other phones I had in the house. And one time the WIFI got disconnected suddenly for no reason. It only happenned once but it's a bad indication never the less.
-GPS: Samsung claims that the support for GLONASS will help get better accuracy on the location results. I used gps test on two phones (GSIII and Xperia X10) both with a GPS cold start and it took the GSIII 30 seconds more time to get my location with an accuracy of 2 meters less than the Xperia.
-Hardware: Same annoying layout of the back and menu button. Despite the fact that google has given a default layout of the back, home, and menu buttons, certain manufacturers still insist on reversing the order of those buttons.
-Stock browser: Very poor support for flash. I played a video on CNN website using the latest version of Flash and the video streaming was not consistent most of the time.
-Camera: Yes. The camera is cool but only because it's a copy of HTC one X's camera. Still not a good camera for shooting in low light.
Well. That's about it. So if you're still looking for a feature-free quad-core ICS phone, you will want to buy SGSiii.
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Sell it. Go buy a perfect phone.
So you hate everything about the phone... why didn't you try it out before purchasing? Could have saved yourself from all this whining...
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Everything has been covered so far by others with the result: get the apps you want and customize the heck out of your phone.
Well nearly everthing except this:
GPS: Samsung claims that the support for GLONASS will help get better accuracy on the location results. I used gps test on two phones (GSIII and Xperia X10) both with a GPS cold start and it took the GSIII 30 seconds more time to get my location with an accuracy of 2 meters less than the Xperia.
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There are multiple methods for starting satellite navigation. (GPS is not really correct since GPS is the US-version of satellite navigation which does not include the russion GLONASS. I'll however restrict myself to the GPS system in the post to keep things simple)
When your phone has internet connection it will use A-GPS supl-Servers which calculate the phone's accurate position from the raw data it sends.
Based on that information and the also downloaded satellite trajectory prediction it gets a predetermined location. Using that information it can then continue on it's own. Usually this takes less than 3-5 seconds depending on your view.
Without active supl-servers, the phone can download or use a cached version of the satellite trajectory prediction and calculate it with it's own chip from scratch. That usually takes anything from 2 seconds to a minute depending on your view and signal stability.
If neither is available, the GPS receiver has to download the satellite prediction data from the satellites themselves. Each satellite transmits the whole prediction data within ~10 minutes in a cycle. The more satelllites your phone "sees" and actively uses, the faster the download.
As soon as it has the data, it will use it. In total it can take anything from a few seconds to several minutes before a first fix is determined.
It's noteworthy that the prediction data is afaik kept across reboots, so you'll have to disable any network connections (even disconnect from your carrier) use special apps to remove the data, reboot the phone and try again.
Usually a cold-start with active data connection gives you a fix within 5 seconds, without active within 30.
Accuracy as determined by the phone is just an educated guess based on a simple formula. It's rather easy to change it so it displays 0.001 meters....
It's technically impossible to get a less-than 5meter accurate fix with such a GPS receiver, usually you are between 10 and 15 meters. Now tell me, which is more accurate; a max-12 satellite algorithm or a max-24 satellite algorithm?
d4fseeker said:
Everything has been covered so far by others with the result: get the apps you want and customize the heck out of your phone.
Well nearly everthing except this:
There are multiple methods for starting satellite navigation. (GPS is not really correct since GPS is the US-version of satellite navigation which does not include the russion GLONASS. I'll however restrict myself to the GPS system in the post to keep things simple)
When your phone has internet connection it will use A-GPS supl-Servers which calculate the phone's accurate position from the raw data it sends.
Based on that information and the also downloaded satellite trajectory prediction it gets a predetermined location. Using that information it can then continue on it's own. Usually this takes less than 3-5 seconds depending on your view.
Without active supl-servers, the phone can download or use a cached version of the satellite trajectory prediction and calculate it with it's own chip from scratch. That usually takes anything from 2 seconds to a minute depending on your view and signal stability.
If neither is available, the GPS receiver has to download the satellite prediction data from the satellites themselves. Each satellite transmits the whole prediction data within ~10 minutes in a cycle. The more satelllites your phone "sees" and actively uses, the faster the download.
As soon as it has the data, it will use it. In total it can take anything from a few seconds to several minutes before a first fix is determined.
It's noteworthy that the prediction data is afaik kept across reboots, so you'll have to disable any network connections (even disconnect from your carrier) use special apps to remove the data, reboot the phone and try again.
Usually a cold-start with active data connection gives you a fix within 5 seconds, without active within 30.
Accuracy as determined by the phone is just an educated guess based on a simple formula. It's rather easy to change it so it displays 0.001 meters....
It's technically impossible to get a less-than 5meter accurate fix with such a GPS receiver, usually you are between 10 and 15 meters. Now tell me, which is more accurate; a max-12 satellite algorithm or a max-24 satellite algorithm?
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haha quoting 2 fast 2 furious I see XD. good series. can't wait for the next film!
usually people who buy the phone , using it less then a month is to criticise the phone haha nothing new , next please....
Sounds like an HTC fanboy to me lol
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He may not have even bought the Galaxy S III. He might have gotten the original Galaxy S or an old LG phone running LG's UI.
|Trolling with a smile|
-Social Networking: Don't care, less bloat is always good
-Text Messaging: Changed it to AOSP.
-Task Management: No task management? You need glasses.
-Stock Dialer: I enter a combination of numbers, press call, works as I expected it to.
-TouchWiz: It's ****. This has been common knowledge for years.
-WIFI: Stronger than my gnex and nexus s.
-GPS: Works fine, 5-10 seconds.
-Hardware: Don't care, they're only buttons.
-Stock browser: ****, don't like scrolling with it.
-Camera: Great. We must remember that its a phone, not a dslr.
-You: Complaining asshat.
That is all.
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I enjoyed reading threads like these. I really do. :good:
anyway real samsung user will too busy searching for improvement for S3 , not a stupid hate list with no solutions, guess is other brands supporter is idle free since their flagship phone is not out ,hence more hate list threads surfacing , hmmm find something else to do ..maybe go take a walk in the park or something