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What's wrong with Xtrons?

Hi all, first time member here - sorry for any dumb questions.
I'm looking at getting my first android head unit. I don't have much criteria, but here is the list;
- 7" double DIN
- snappy boot time (2 - 3 seconds before playing music)
- nice looking - physically (don't like the joying logo or inset/bezel), and software (prefer the look of the latest android)
- video in for pi or dash cam
- bluetooth for calling and maps data (waze, etc). Or should i be looking at wifi tether?
At first, my research lead me to the following Xtrons units (basically searching whats popular on ebay);
- TB706PL (Octa-core RK3368 PX5, Android 6.0)
- TA701PL (Quad-core RK3188 PX3, Android 7.1)
- TL702P (Quad-core Intel Atom x86, Android 6.0)
Questions:
1. I've read a lot of posts on this site steering people to Joying HUs. Whats wrong with the Xtrons HUs?
2. Is the PX5 a big deal? Is octa core overkill for HUs? (I'm currently leaning to the PX3 over the PX5 due to later Android.)
3. Are all these units rootable?
4. Is there a likelihood of being able to upgrade the Android version of all of the head units in the future?
Thanks everyone!

Joying is the brand with the greatest hacker support.
You don't need to buy the UM135 with deep plastic bezel. You can also buy UM128, which is all glass.
Yes, it has a joying logo on the front too.
PX5 may have an 8 core SoC, but they are 8 SUPER WEAK SLOW TURDS. They are badly implemented A53's. So don't for ONE SECOND thing that you're getting something on the same level as a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835. You're looking at several orders of magnitude between the 8 turds and the 8 custom A73's in the QC.
Of all the CPUs available for car radios, the INTEL quad-core is the strongest. Ignore benchmarks, its a totally different architecture that you CANNOT compare with synthetic benchmarks.
As far as upgrade android version, Joying with Intel CPU is probably the most likely one for being able to upgrade to AOSP8.

i've never had an Xtrons. I have had Joying, Dasaita, and Seicane.
All have their pros and cons. The Joying definitely ran the best, and had the most updates, but it ran too hot and fried itself. Joying did replace it, which was cool.
However, i wanted something Jeep specific with a big screen, which Joying doesn't make, so I moved on to Dasaita with Android 6.0 and PX5:
https://youtu.be/ITCawVbBL7g
And i got the Seicane with Android 7.1.2 and PX3:
https://youtu.be/MWVsNWZjeCQ
The Dasaita is noticeably quicker than the Seicane but the Dasaita had 2 bugs I couldn't get past. The Dasaita would not recognize the MicroSD card from sleep. It would be fine from a full reboot, but from sleep it didn't recognize it, and the app switcher button would randomly disappear.
Seicane does not have those issues.
I think Xtrons and Dasaita are very similar, but not positive

Pf84mtv has any one got the original software?
Xtrons gave me a wrong firmware for my system and now my system lost the function of all its buttons and now they emailed me saying sorry they dont have the firmware? Can any one help

Choose Rockchip RK3188 or Allwinner T3?

Hi,
I am going to install an Android add-on unit to the stock head unit for my 2012 Porsche Cayenne, like in this link:
http://www.carnavigationbox.com/sal...-auto-interface-car-multimedia-interface.html
I have the option to choose
1) RK3188, 1,2 GHz quad core, 2 GB RAM and Android 4.4
2) Allwinner T3, 1,2 GHz quad core, 2 GB RAM and Android 6.0
Which is the better platform and CPU? I got the impression that the Allwinner T3 CPU is not that good, but is it better than the Rockchip option?

I'd avoid any units still running android 4.4, KitKat. That OS is old as dirt, and had a lot of security holes. Even Lollypop (5.x.x) is looking a little dusty these days. Whatever unit you decide on, I'd highly recommend Marshmallow or newer (6.x.x+).
As far as RK3188 vs Allwinner T3, they are both discount chipsets. I have personally used the Allwinner T3 and T8 units, and they aren't bad at all. It all depends on what you want out of the unit. Do you want instant-on, or only instantly available reverse camera? Do you have an amp? Do you have kid screens and need RGB out? Do you listen to lossless music, and need high fidelity audio?
Truth is, none of these units are without problems. At this point, the most feature complete units are the Dasaita PX5 units, with the Joying Intel units not too far behind.

Rottgrub said:
I'd avoid any units still running android 4.4, KitKat. That OS is old as dirt, and had a lot of security holes. Even Lollypop (5.x.x) is looking a little dusty these days. Whatever unit you decide on, I'd highly recommend Marshmallow or newer (6.x.x+).
As far as RK3188 vs Allwinner T3, they are both discount chipsets. I have personally used the Allwinner T3 and T8 units, and they aren't bad at all. It all depends on what you want out of the unit. Do you want instant-on, or only instantly available reverse camera? Do you have an amp? Do you have kid screens and need RGB out? Do you listen to lossless music, and need high fidelity audio?
Truth is, none of these units are without problems. At this point, the most feature complete units are the Dasaita PX5 units, with the Joying Intel units not too far behind.
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I wish I could install a PX5 or Intel unit in my car, but there are none available units that fits. I am not sure whether an universal unit would work, as my car has an original BOSE sound system with fiber optics. Sadly I only see the units mentioned above for this car so my options are very limited.
I had a 10.4 " Android unit specifically build for the 2012 Cayenne, but the Allwinner A31 CPU and its software was extremely buggy and slow and could not run the DAB+ software smoothly without stuttering. Hence, I am a bit sceptical towards Allwinner units. I had to return it and I am now looking for other options.

ynorynor said:
I wish I could install a PX5 or Intel unit in my car, but there are none available units that fits. I am not sure whether an universal unit would work, as my car has an original BOSE sound system with fiber optics. Sadly I only see the units mentioned above for this car so my options are very limited.
I had a 10.4 " Android unit specifically build for the 2012 Cayenne, but the Allwinner A31 CPU and its software was extremely buggy and slow and could not run the DAB+ software smoothly without stuttering. Hence, I am a bit sceptical towards Allwinner units. I had to return it and I am now looking for other options.
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If you are starved for choice, the T3 is the way to go. It's plenty fast for use as a head unit. The thing that makes most of the older units choke is lack of memory. 1GB units just couldn't cut it. 2GB lets the system keep more applications in memory longer, which cuts down on problems.
That said, if you are worried about the T3, I'd do some research to see if the PX5 universal units will work. Basically, if Crutchfield will sell you an Alpine/Pioneer/whatever 2din to fit in there, then you should be able to mount up an Android Universal.

Rottgrub said:
If you are starved for choice, the T3 is the way to go. It's plenty fast for use as a head unit. The thing that makes most of the older units choke is lack of memory. 1GB units just couldn't cut it. 2GB lets the system keep more applications in memory longer, which cuts down on problems.
That said, if you are worried about the T3, I'd do some research to see if the PX5 universal units will work. Basically, if Crutchfield will sell you an Alpine/Pioneer/whatever 2din to fit in there, then you should be able to mount up an Android Universal.
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I haven't yet found any of the Alpine/Pioneer/Kenwood system that are compatible with my car. But isn't the RK3188 the same as PX3? I see that some have upgraded from a PX3 to PX5 board. If I choose the Rockchip RK3188 option, is the upgrade to PX5 possible?

ynorynor said:
I haven't yet found any of the Alpine/Pioneer/Kenwood system that are compatible with my car. But isn't the RK3188 the same as PX3? I see that some have upgraded from a PX3 to PX5 board. If I choose the Rockchip RK3188 option, is the upgrade to PX5 possible?
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Upgrading the RK3188 system board to PX5 is a big, BIG maybe. First you'd need to make sure that the MCU is MTCD or MTCE. If it's a MTCC or earlier, it's not compatible with PX5. Then, assuming it's MTCD, you'll need to find a source for the PX5 upgrade board. Last I read, those were pretty scarce. Then, of course, you are cobbling together one unit from two. So say goodbye to any support or warranty.
So, not impossible... just not sure it's worth the time, money, and frustration when placed against trying the T3 unit.

New Joying PX5 units

Looks like our friends at Joying released their PX5 units. They seem pretty snappy and some units even include a DVD unit ?. Question... Anyone bought yet? What amp chip are they using and is it better than the Intel ones? How would it compare to the Xtrons 4GB PX5 unit? Would that be better? Not familiar with their support of their units...

bogdi1988 said:
Looks like our friends at Joying released their PX5 units. They seem pretty snappy and some units even include a DVD unit . Question... Anyone bought yet? What amp chip are they using and is it better than the Intel ones? How would it compare to the Xtrons 4GB PX5 unit? Would that be better? Not familiar with their support of their units...
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we also found the PX5 head unit .on their new website . I also do not know how to choose . but my friend said the CPU will be faster than Intel .
and can support more new features ? carplay , android auto ?

CandyLam111 said:
we also found the PX5 head unit .on their new website . I also do not know how to choose . but my friend said the CPU will be faster than Intel .
and can support more new features ? carplay , android auto ?
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Nah...the new px5 performance wise is a hair slower than the Intel. Still runs hot too. Plus with the custom ROM on the Intel units, way better. Google assistant works now, even Alexa.
And we have Xposed on the Intel units.
If you have to choose, go with the joying Intel unit I would say. And Android 8.0 on some of the newer units...what for? To slow things down? Maybe Android go...but not yet.

Comparation between 2 Eonon units

Hello mates,
I want to buy 2din android head unit for Mazda 6 GH 2009. Via Eonon website I can find 2 models almost similar and I don't know wich one is more powerfull, so the two options are :
1) Eonon GA9198B - PX5 1.5GHz Cortex A53 Octa-core 4GB DDR3
2) Eonon GA9298B - Rockchip PX30 1.5GH Cortex A35 Quad-Core 2GB 2GB RAM
I know is a huge difference between 2 and 4 GB ram but I don't know anything regarding those two cpus ... Any Ideea ?
Also will be much apreciated if you sugest other head unit better then those two mentioned.

Hey! I definitely recommend the PX5 over the PX30 - the PX5 is faster, more established and has lots of support on XDA. Have a look in the MTCD forum if you want to know more about these units.
I have an Eonon GA2171S which is PX5 and it is great, and there are lots of mods available. I definitely recommend installing Hal9k 3.1 ROM for full functionality.

millab said:
Hey! I definitely recommend the PX5 over the PX30 - the PX5 is faster, more established and has lots of support on XDA. Have a look in the MTCD forum if you want to know more about these units.
I have an Eonon GA2171S which is PX5 and it is great, and there are lots of mods available. I definitely recommend installing Hal9k 3.1 ROM for full functionality.
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Any reason not to go with a PX30 , I'm looking at the GA3175 as the price is good and specs seem pretty good.
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I take it you mean the GA2175? See my previous post - PX5 is faster and has much better support here at XDA for mods etc. I'm not aware of any ROMs for PX30, while PX5 has Hal9K 3.1 which really fixes all the shortcomings of these types of units.

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I take it you mean the GA2175? See my previous post - PX5 is faster and has much better support here at XDA for mods etc. I'm not aware of any ROMs for PX30, while PX5 has Hal9K 3.1 which really fixes all the shortcomings of these types of units.
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Yes GA2175, i saw your post and i'm not interested in rom availabilty as yet so thats no issue. Was wondering if i would be disappointed with it over a 2170/2170B, 2175 is currently $214 versus 2170B $274. Fitting kit for my canbus Landrover was $185 which has killed the budget a bit.

Ok fair enough, the PX30 will be a little slower, but in all there won't be a lot of difference. Screen and components will mostly be identical. Out of interest why are you getting a canbus fitting kit?
Couldn't you find a unit which fits your vehicle?

millab said:
Ok fair enough, the PX30 will be a little slower, but in all there won't be a lot of difference. Screen and components will mostly be identical. Out of interest why are you getting a canbus fitting kit?
Couldn't you find a unit which fits your vehicle?
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Nothing off the shelf and i would need the fitting kit anyway for the wheel controls and canbus integration.

hangover68 said:
Nothing off the shelf and i would need the fitting kit anyway for the wheel controls and canbus integration.
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Oh ok, yeah the ones which are made to fit certain cars generally already have the canbus functionality so don't need a fitting kit. What model land rover is it? I can see some for a 2007-2012 Freelander 2 like this:
http://xtrons.com/pb78dlrpl-android...with-7-display-custom-fit-for-land-rover.html

millab said:
Oh ok, yeah the ones which are made to fit certain cars generally already have the canbus functionality so don't need a fitting kit. What model land rover is it? I can see some for a 2007-2012 Freelander 2 like this:
http://xtrons.com/pb78dlrpl-android...with-7-display-custom-fit-for-land-rover.html
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Discovery3, i looked at that but i cant see how that would work in mine as they share the same fascia, i have ordered an Aepro kit and still deciding which head unit to buy.

Head unit replacement/upgrade advice request (xtrons pep series)

Firstly apologies if this is in the wrong thread.
I currently have an old android head unit of unknown vendor but running a HA mcu and Hal9k android 10.
I upgraded the head unit from a px3 to a px5 coreboard with 4gb ram.
My unit is one of the ones which has bluetooth issues on android 10.
I am now looking at replacing the head unit with a new one and have seen this one from Xtrons:
https://xtrons.co.uk/seat-various-android-11-octa-core-2gb-ddr4-ram-32gb-rom-pep91ibs
My concern is that it has only 2gb of ram however it is ddr4 instead of ddr3.
I am also unable to work out which cpu is fitted and if it is a mtcd etc unit.
Does anyone have any experience with the 2gb xtron pep series and if so does it multitask okay please? (mainly wanting spotify whilst using waze)
I have seen so many different ones on ebay but like that this is direct from a vendor.