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hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??
cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..
Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
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Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.
OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?
OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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Guys/Gals....
I might be slow to know about this, so I figured some others here might be too. No disrespect intended, but I watched a program this weekend 'The Real Hustle' on British TV. It explored a serious vulnerability in the Bluetooth technology.
Apparently there exists software which can be installed on O/S based Mobile phones/PPC's that allow its user to scan for BT devices i.e. in busy areas like train stations etc.
They can then hijack your phone..'Without Your Knowledge'!! They can then use your available credit/contract minutes, to make calls to a purpose made premium number @ £1.50 per minute....all without leaving a trace on your phone!
You won't know until you get your whopping bill and will have no way out of paying for it, as calls will have registered as having been made from your phone!
Bottom line for Athena users with BT earpieces and other people too. ONLY switch your BT on when you are going to use it and be sure to switch it right back off when you're finished.
The program did not reveal whether this was possible if the devices/BT mode was set to invisible, but that is something I intend to find out.
Scary eh?
P.S. Something like this happened to a relative of mine only last week as his BT is always on (for phone calls). Just thought I'd share my concerns with you. Sorry if its old news already.
Yup, old news I'm afriad. The Ameo AFAIK and can test, seems to have a fairly sturdy bluetooth stack, as do most phones from the last 18months - 2years. But it is quite surprising how many phones are vulnerable to various bluetooth exploits. I have found that its not impossible to crash the BT stack, but its not trivial, and doesn't really seem to do too much damage, apart from requiring a restart of the BT module. Unlike my old T68 which locks up tighter than a locked up tight thing, gives out my contacts and calendar, make calls e.t.c.
Oh, and I generally leave the BT off on the Ameo because its such a battery drain.
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Yup, old news I'm afriad. The Ameo AFAIK and can test, seems to have a fairly sturdy bluetooth stack, as do most phones from the last 18months - 2years. But it is quite surprising how many phones are vulnerable to various bluetooth exploits. I have found that its not impossible to crash the BT stack, but its not trivial, and doesn't really seem to do too much damage, apart from requiring a restart of the BT module. Unlike my old T68 which locks up tighter than a locked up tight thing, gives out my contacts and calendar, make calls e.t.c.
Oh, and I generally leave the BT off on the Ameo because its such a battery drain.
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Thanks for that Diablo. So what you are saying is that newer devices (like our) with newer BT stacks are NOT vulnerable to these attacks? Only the older types of mobile phones?
Is the hidden option didn't make any difference?
I have tested a couple of "available" software.
Generally it is quite trivial to establish a connection with older mobiles phones. SonyEricssons seem to be particularly vulnerable.
I haven't been able to successfully intercept the Athena though. Although I have many shortcomings in my very limited abilities... I'm sure a dedicated person would be able to intercept and <do whatever> given enough time.
Normally it should be enough to enable "Beam authentication" and uncheck "Make this device visible to other devices".
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Thanks for that Diablo. So what you are saying is that newer devices (like our) with newer BT stacks are NOT vulnerable to these attacks? Only the older types of mobile phones?
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I wouldn't go as far as to say they're invulnerable, however they're stronger than other targets. Bluetooth in itself is quite basic in its security mechanisms, but Ameo stands up well to attack. As mentioned, its possible to crash the stack, but this doesn't bring any benefit to the attacker, apart from the knowledge that they've been able to do that. I suppose it could be used as a buffer overflow exploit, but with so few devices around, its probably not worth the effort to try.
One thing TO be aware of though is that when pairing a device, its possible for a 3rd party to grab the keys off the air, and then you can impersonate a bluetooth device. So if someone were to capture a key pairing between a mobile and a laptop for the laptop to be able to make internet connections via the phone, then you could impersonate the laptop to make these calls. But this is fairly unlikely if the phones are already paired. However, the cool thing is, if you've got a vulnerable phone, you can make it loose the pair key, when Mr End User resync's the phone, snap it out of the air and do naughty things. I work in Network Security so I try and experiment with these things for the good of our staff, and bluetooth hacking is one of the cooler things IMO.
Oh, another cool point is that people think bluetooth is 10m or 100m radius. Some researchers have managed to send a bluetooth message about 3km (I think).
And finally, the other thing you can do to really bug someone is repeatedly make bluetooth requests to their phone for 'services available'. Most phones will provide this without pairing, and in doing so, it can generally cause the power consumption to increase. Once again, I killed my T68 with this technique in about 2hrs from full charge, as each time it made the request, the screen redrew, the backlight and key led's came on and I suspect the radio power draw increased.
WM5 and espicially 6 are practically safe
Done a bit of research on this now and coupled with your feedback guys, I feel Athena owners are pretty safe from random attacks. Thanks a bunch for putting my mind at ease...I will however remain cautious in public areas and turn my bluetooth off if I am spending a considerable amount of time there.
The fact is that the only way this vulnerability works is by exploiting the Symbian Bluetooth stack for now. Conversely, WM is one of the more secure O/S's out there at present. WM6 is even more so. There's a lot of snakeoil within the industry, although with the Ameo, I would look into getting AV if you plan on doing a lot of downloading off the web. Yes, there is no serious malware for the WM platform, but the device can still be a carrier for the host Windows systems. As HSDPA becomes more widespread, the benefits fo attacking these platforms becomes greater; it's not there yet but will become an issue.
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Done a bit of research on this now and coupled with your feedback guys, I feel Athena owners are pretty safe from random attacks. Thanks a bunch for putting my mind at ease...I will however remain cautious in public areas and turn my bluetooth off if I am spending a considerable amount of time there.
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It should* be enough to disable visibility. If need BT for your headset but care about battery drain just enable powersafe mode for the audio gateway in the registry.
I'm running bluetooth all the time on my ameo. I'm around a lot on public areas like train stations and airports and every now and then I'm using btCrawler to scan for other devices just to see how many are in visibile mode.
So the best practicefor using bluetooth (on laptops, handhelds or whatever) is:
- Turn off visibility
- Use encryption AND authentication for every connection
- Don't accept messages or transfers from unknown devices
- Don't use easy PINs like 0000 or 1234
- Use different PINs for every connection
If you follow the above, using bluetooth should* be safe
* Should, because if an attacker knows your device address, he's still able to try to attack you directly. There is an interesting article by Max Moser about using the expensive (but excellent) Bluetooth Diagnostic Tool from Fronline (FTS4BT) with a normal inexpensive bluetooth dongle. Using this you are able to sniff bluetooth connections by following the hopping sequence. You can sniff audio connections, data transfers, etc. If no encryption is enabled everthing is tranfered in plaintext. However it is still possible to decrypt encrypted BT traffic if you are able to sniff the pairing process. If you have successfully sniffed the whole pairing process you can extract the link key and PIN with btcrack and then use the frontline sniffer to decrypt the traffic.
Having an issue pairing my Motoactv to the new bluetooth headset I just bought, the LG Tone+ (HBS-730). Motoactv won't even see it. Headset connects just fine to the phone, and Motoactv connects to phone and old headset (Motorola S10-HD) without a hitch. Tried removing all existing bluetooth connections on all devices. On Motorola's advice, factory reset Motoactv. Nothing seems to be helping.
Does anyone know if this is something that a dev could fix? If it's a simple "no, there's no way modding will fix that", please let me know, so I can return this headset. I really appreciate any help. I bought this thing because it can connect to 2 devices, where the S10 could not. Doesn't do much good if it won't pair, does it?
I couldn't find a better place to put this, since Motoactv doesn't have its own section. Hope that was OK.
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Having an issue pairing my Motoactv to the new bluetooth headset I just bought, the LG Tone+ (HBS-730). Motoactv won't even see it. Headset connects just fine to the phone, and Motoactv connects to phone and old headset (Motorola S10-HD) without a hitch. Tried removing all existing bluetooth connections on all devices. On Motorola's advice, factory reset Motoactv. Nothing seems to be helping.
Does anyone know if this is something that a dev could fix? If it's a simple "no, there's no way modding will fix that", please let me know, so I can return this headset. I really appreciate any help. I bought this thing because it can connect to 2 devices, where the S10 could not. Doesn't do much good if it won't pair, does it?
I couldn't find a better place to put this, since Motoactv doesn't have its own section. Hope that was OK.
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If the MotoACTV does not see the headset while the headset is in pairing mode then it won't work. It will not pair with something it cannot see. Not sure why it wouldn't see it though. The MotoACTV uses bluetooth 4.0 so the LG's bluetooth 2.0 should be seen with ease. My suggestion would be to remove all bluetooth devices from MotoACTV. Reboot the MotoACTV and try again. Also make sure that ALL other devices have their bluetooth turned as so they don't see the LG and try to pair with it. If that doesn't work then odds are it won't work at all.
I think this new version of the headset is Bluetooth 3.0. It's the Tone+ 730, not the Tone 700 original (which, apparently, has no issues pairing with the Motoactv).
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I think this new version of the headset is Bluetooth 3.0. It's the Tone+ 730, not the Tone 700 original (which, apparently, has no issues pairing with the Motoactv).
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MotoACTV is still 4.0 so it should be compatible with 3.0, good luck
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Ill let you know i own one of these headsets and should be recieving my motoactv in the mail soon.
Any ideas on the issue guys? I have a Motorola h500 and an LG-HBM 235 and neither will pair with the motoactv. It drives me absolutely nuts that the Motorola headset doesn't even work with the motorola motoactv. I mean really, WTF man? I don't want a big stereo headset. SMH. If i could finally get bluetooth audio, this thing would be great. In fact, they need to make a new model with a speaker and mic then it would be the greatest!
Figured it out. Your bluetooth earpiece/headset must be A2DP compatible.
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Figured it out. Your bluetooth earpiece/headset must be A2DP compatible.
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I can't post links yet, but on the LG site, it says the 730 has A2DP...
Man, this is driving me nuts. I love these headphones, and they seem awesome for running. But I'll never know at this rate...
davidam091 said:
I can't post links yet, but on the LG site, it says the 730 has A2DP...
Man, this is driving me nuts. I love these headphones, and they seem awesome for running. But I'll never know at this rate...
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I have these headphones as well but have always had them paired to the phone. I just tried to pair them with my actv just to see if my results were any different but unfortunately, I have the same issue.
It may be possible to pair them through a third party app but I haven't tried.
Artimis said:
I have these headphones as well but have always had them paired to the phone. I just tried to pair them with my actv just to see if my results were any different but unfortunately, I have the same issue.
It may be possible to pair them through a third party app but I haven't tried.
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Any suggestions for 3rd party apps that would do this? I'm willing to try.
Also, does anyone think that modding the ACTV with some of the work the guys here on XDA have done will have any effect? I'm reading threads dealing with similar problems with other devices (e.g. car kits) and some are saying its a bluetooth driver issue. Maybe a custom UI will include different bluetooth drivers?
I know it's annoying to hear people ask for free work, but if any of you ACTV programmers/modders think you can tackle this issue, we'd all really appreciate it. It's incredibly frustrating when you buy 2 things that should work together just fine, but for some unknown reason, just don't.
Thanks!
davidam091 said:
Any suggestions for 3rd party apps that would do this? I'm willing to try.
Also, does anyone think that modding the ACTV with some of the work the guys here on XDA have done will have any effect? I'm reading threads dealing with similar problems with other devices (e.g. car kits) and some are saying its a bluetooth driver issue. Maybe a custom UI will include different bluetooth drivers?
I know it's annoying to hear people ask for free work, but if any of you ACTV programmers/modders think you can tackle this issue, we'd all really appreciate it. It's incredibly frustrating when you buy 2 things that should work together just fine, but for some unknown reason, just don't.
Thanks!
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Perhaps something like this could work? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.IG.BluetoothManager
Alternatively, if your device is rooted there are .conf files under /system/etc/bluetooth/ that could potentially be modified to get this working. For example, audio.conf could be modified to remove "Disable=Headset" as well as enable HFP. These changes could possibly resolve the issue but I haven't tried tinkering with them.
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Perhaps something like this could work? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.IG.BluetoothManager
Alternatively, if your device is rooted there are .conf files under /system/etc/bluetooth/ that could potentially be modified to get this working. For example, audio.conf could be modified to remove "Disable=Headset" as well as enable HFP. These changes could possibly resolve the issue but I haven't tried tinkering with them.
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Ok, so I decided to tinker a little and the app I mentioned did not work.....neither did some of the modifications I made to to the audio.conf file.
However, I did download this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=es.qrr.android.btoolkit
In the app settings, I enabled experimental mode and was able to find the HBS-730 headset and pair with it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go any further than that. Even though it is paired, music wasn't routing to it (granted I didn't use the stock music player -- that may have worked).
I believe the actv is treating the HBS-730 like a phone, tablet, or comp rather than just a headset which is why it is not interacting directly with it. There may be another app with root privileges (like the original app I suggested) that could possibly route the audio correctly but I haven't had the time to tinker with it and don't typically need audio output from my actv anyway.
Hope this somewhat helps.
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Ok, so I decided to tinker a little and the app I mentioned did not work.....neither did some of the modifications I made to to the audio.conf file.
However, I did download this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=es.qrr.android.btoolkit
In the app settings, I enabled experimental mode and was able to find the HBS-730 headset and pair with it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go any further than that. Even though it is paired, music wasn't routing to it (granted I didn't use the stock music player -- that may have worked).
I believe the actv is treating the HBS-730 like a phone, tablet, or comp rather than just a headset which is why it is not interacting directly with it. There may be another app with root privileges (like the original app I suggested) that could possibly route the audio correctly but I haven't had the time to tinker with it and don't typically need audio output from my actv anyway.
Hope this somewhat helps.
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I had similiar problems pairing my motoactv with a pair of UE 9000's. It could see the device, but would not pair through the stock menus. Tried downloading some third party bluetooth managers and was unable to get any audio. I believe it has something to do with Apt-X codec for bluetooth not being implemented in 2.3 gingberbread on the motoactv
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However, I did download this app:
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Here's where I lose all credibility (and help)...
You mean download the app to my ACTV, right? So... How do I do that?
How do I download 3rd party apps to the ACTV? I haven't modded mine at all. Do I need to do anything to it?
I realize I have just exposed myself as a NOOB. Alas, I had no choice. Please continue to speak to me.
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Here's where I lose all credibility (and help)...
You mean download the app to my ACTV, right? So... How do I do that?
How do I download 3rd party apps to the ACTV? I haven't modded mine at all. Do I need to do anything to it?
I realize I have just exposed myself as a NOOB. Alas, I had no choice. Please continue to speak to me.
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No worries .
Yes, you'll need to download the app to the ACTV. It will require rooting of the device and installing a custom ROM is the best way to get everything necessary for the market to work so that you can install these apps.
There is a step-by-step tutorial in the MOTOActv rooting thread in this forum.
Any further updates?
Just curious to see how this solution worked out. I am having the same problem and am definitely a NOOB. Attempting to download an app to my Motoactv seem a bit daunting to me...
Hey Guys,
I just bought a brand new Kenworth W900, and it has android auto (or something mimicing it) built in... A panapacific dea600... the major problem is it super kludge... amongst being terribly locked down, i cannot connect to an ad hoc wifi thru my windows 10 laptop (that is tethered to my S6 with easy tether)... my tablet can connect to the ad hoc no problems, and my stereo can see the network but cannot connect to it for some reason (i REALLY need to update the trucks GPS maps, and have you tried to use a truck stops wifi? (like dial up))... id really just like access to the OS or another launcher so i can add some apps that i need (no not facebook or stuff like that) and perhaps root and rom it....
its running android 4.2.2... and i can get you the entirely too long software version
Its sad really because this could be cutting edge stuff, but someone higher up had to come up with ways to neuter this damn thing... and look i get that there are things i shouldnt have access to while driving, but it DOES have android web browser built in so its not like they dont want us using it...
i dont expect the world as this unit has only been shipping with trucks for a few months... and many of you may not have come across it... but perhaps it shares hardware with another system and panapacific just stole it (it HAS happened many times)
thanks guys and look forward to replies before i finish going insane
Nobody?
DEA600 - SmartDisplay for Automotive Infotainment
Hey,
I just came across your note while search for this product - I was the software architect/tech lead for the supplier company providing the Android port and the Freescale SOM component of the display screen on this product line - although moved on shirtly after the system went to mass production. - it is awesome to see someone here discuss it!
You are very correct on a lot of you assumptions and assessments. it was a very ambitious project that really tried to leverage as much of what Android was capable of at the time it was planned, but tuned to work as a smart display for commercial vehicles.
The display is only a part of a system of components. The display runs a port of Android 4.2.2 - but highly tailored to its environment - pairs with the Delphi radio unit (as a peer, not as an accessory) and is toghtly coupled to the unit in production. as a security measure.
unfortunately for what you are looking for, though much of the upgrade and app installation capabilities have been locked down to prevent side loading or execution of "unauthorized" apps that don't have special keys fro. the OEM or manufacturer. even if installed, the system manager will kill any apps that are launched without keys.
you may be able to get a developer key from the OEM but I don't know how they chose to mange that in the final system.
thanks for the posting, though - it was a small run comparatively for android systems but it was a pretty damn cool system with what we did get working....
I would be happy to discuss more if you want. - with what I can....
- Chris
DEA600
hi there
i have same head unit in my 389 pride and class peterbilt, for the map part, that you can update by connecting it to your phones internet, either wifi hot spot if not then just connect it with bluetooth and use bluetooth tethering of phone and PAN of your DEA600, but main problem in the system is that you cant put a single thing without pulling breaks, and u cant download a single file by any means, it just displays error that unfortunately process.android. stopped or browser has stopped or settings has stopped. if any one figured out how to download anythimg in this little thing. please update
hello there. I have T-680 with DEA600. I had exactly the same problem and ended up taking my truck to a dealer. it turned out to be defected radio. After it was replaced, it would connect to a hotspot no problem ( im using htc 10).
I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?
Hey guys so a friend of mine has the DEA601 in his new truck and drives him nuts that the passenger cannot control things when its going faster than 5km hour (his old Peterbuilt worked fine).
I'm a software eng and would like to find out how to disable the Distracted Driver feature (like you can do in settings on many other Android Auto ROM's like Honda). What are my options here? a) Make a whole new ROM (but how to do that?) b) try to hexedit the existing ROM and find where the 5 km value is and modify it c) add an add-on app somehow to override this limit or d) other???
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?
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I found out in order for the guages to work I need an $800 module my truck didn't come with. Now my biggest problem is the technology seems to have stagnated. The software on my phone and tablet are no longer very comparable with Android 4.2. I try my iPhone and my Android tablet and neither will play Pandora consistently. I am forced to use Bluetooth which looses sound quality on an already low quality stereo. I really wish Kenworth had spent their R &D on making their trucks compatible with idatalink like most aftermarket stereos use.
At this point I am torn between installing a hideaway marine stereo with a remote display and leaving this POS Pans Pacrapic as a display with nono sound. Or installing a line converter and amp and dealing with this clunky software. I wish someone would make a rom to upgrade this thing.
Looks like the Mfg won this round
Looks like the Mfg won this round
I'm driving one of these trucks also and I keep checking this post but I guess we havent incentivized anyone who cud help yet!
The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.
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The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.
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This is a 2+ year old thread being g responded to.
What is your point? 2years later and still no solution to the problem. I ran across this thread of people discussing the same problems I'm having with the radio unit. If you got something usefull to add to this discussion then please feel free otherwise you don't need to acknowledge when what was posted that helps me null with my problem.
Anyone here figure anything out?
still nothing
Hello! So I have little tech experience but I am willing to work with someone here to sort this out. Got a 17 w900 that I put a aftermarket double din in and retained smart nav for the gauges. What I did find was the screen (not the radio) gets a input from the wire harness off the ecm to give data to the screen. So I’ll attach a picture of the plug and maybe we can use this plus find it’s female counterpart then get the other end to plug into a maestro box? My Sony doesn’t have maestro. I do have a pioneer that does but can’t justify the cost being the Guinea pig. I’ve already been one of the first to get the tilt column to drop LOW and managed to fit a true 7” double din where the stupid nav was.
I got a new MOTO 4G Play to replace and older Samsung. I like it except for one thing. I have to unpair ("forget") the device and then cycle the radio on and off a couple times and then turn on the adapter and then pair and connect to get it to work. I have to do this each time.
I've contacted that adapter mfg and moto they both point to each other. They even said a new pone won't likely fix the problem. No one is actually interested in solving the problem. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the same situation. The adapter mfg says it is a problem with moto phones.
Are there any bluetooth radio hacks or other versions. I don't know what radio I have or how to find out. I'd rather not go with a complete custom ROM at this time.
Any suggestions on what the problem could be, how to fix, how to address compatibility problems when both mfgs say the other is causing the problem. Is there somewhere to officially complain about BT compatibility issues? Is BT an industry standard or a specific company that licenses it?
It seems like I should have some recourse here, but, so far I've spent a lot of time going in circles dealing with level 1 support people who only fill in forms or read off lists as well as time and money spent on phone calls, being put on hold, etc.
While Bluetooth is an industry standard, there are different versions (3.0, 4.0, 4.1, etc.) which transmit data in different ways. There are other standards as well, such as A2DP. But for all of this to work, both devices need to be able to detect each others' Bluetooth MAC and store it long term. If one device forgets it has that knowledge, then it won't recognize the others' BTMAC at all.
Changing to a ROM isn't going to fix this (Lineage is notorious for killing BT when you change from cellular to WiFi, and to this day it still isn't completely fixed). What I recommend is going into Apps, looking for Bluetooth Share, and clearing its data. Then try re-pairing to the device.
I tried clearing the data as you suggested as well as during a hard reset and that doesn't work.
I do have a sequence of steps that works pretty consistently, but, I have to do it interactively. I'm wondering if I could just write a script to do these steps. Some of them like the pairing and the connection take a little time and may need some timing steps. Ideally it could access a signal when the connection is made or not made etc. I could just set it in motion and go about putting on the seatbelt, starting the car, etc while it is working.
I have no idea what commands the different things I interact with use. It involves forgetting the connection, cycling airplane mode on and off, pairing and then after they are paired connecting. Any ideas?
Some people on the Moto forums suggest disabling Bluetooth Scanning. It seems to work for some people; others report no change in their connection after turning it off.
I'm running LineageOS, and as the previous reply stated, my Bluetooth restarts when changing between WiFi and cell data. I tried Bluetooth scanning on and off, and neither seemed to fix the Bluetooth restarts.