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Sonys Bootloader Unlock Page Updated With Warning About Camera Performance

"Certain pre-loaded content on your device may also be inaccessible due to the removal of DRM security keys. For high-end devices running recent software versions, for instance Xperia Z3, the removal of DRM security keys may affect advanced camera functionality. For example, noise reduction algorithms might be removed, and performance when taking photos in low-light conditions might be affected. The secure user data partition may also become inaccessible, and you will not be able to get any more official software upgrades if you unlock the boot loader."
http://developer.sonymobile.com/unlockbootloader/unlock-yourboot-loader/
So there you go folks officially confirmed again to anybody in doubt.:good:

It would be nice to have an exploit so we can root, without losing those DRM keys.

NRG1975 said:
It would be nice to have an exploit so we can root, without losing those DRM keys.
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Fingers crossed. This is such an awesome phone and even knowing this in advance, I would still buy the Z3 Compact over everything else because there's nothing on the market that comes close, IMO.

Bounty is available to unlock and keep functions
I'm sure this will help the cause: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/bounty-root-unlocking-bootloader-method-t2940539

Oh well... I'll just wait one year or two before unlocking it, until then I'll try to survive with the intrusive apps

question: If I flash a custom rom, I will lose camera functionality anyways, right? What if I use a different camera-app? Does the Sony app produce the best pictures?
Hope you guys can help me out here

No, camera will still work. It's just the low lighting algorithm that's lost, which is meant to give better quality pictures in low light. I've rooted and personally don't see any difference in picture quality if flash is used.
Just to add... Since I've rooted i have deleted some built in Sony crap which freed up space and ram, to me... My phone feels faster and I'm sure battery is even better. Ive also installed viper4android which has greatly improved the sound on the phone. Definitely not regretting rooting but that's just my opinion.
Cheers

thanks for your reply. It is good to hear that there are people out there that have root and are happy with it. Personally, I will root as soon as I get the phone (which should be around monday).
I'm aware that the camera still works. I was just wondering if different camera apps produce different quality pictures (with and without root). In that case I wouldnt care about loosing DRM keys because I will probably install CyanogenMod anyway.

Is there any AOSP 5.0.X build signed by Sony? Which you can flash without unlocking the bootloader or something like that..
(I don't like modded roms, just the basic aosp builds).
I am asking this because I read here that aosp is available for this phone:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/knowledge-base/open-source/open-devices/latest-updates/
And I want to buy the next Z compact because I want a 720p small phone instead of a 1080p lesser big one.
But only if AOSP Android is available. (Since I've been using a Nexus for a few years)
Sent from my Nexus 5

thesebastian said:
Is there any AOSP 5.0.X build signed by Sony? Which you can flash without unlocking the bootloader or something like that..
(I don't like modded roms, just the basic aosp builds).
I am asking this because I read here that aosp is available for this phone:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/knowledge-base/open-source/open-devices/latest-updates/
And I want to buy the next Z compact because I want a 720p small phone instead of a 1080p lesser big one.
But only if AOSP Android is available. (Since I've been using a Nexus for a few years)
Sent from my Nexus 5
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Shortt answer is no there is not an AOSP build signed ny Sony.
Youll need to unlock, if you really want stock. Sony's optimisations are useless on Aosp ROMs so if that's all you want to run then losing DRM keys is not a big issue unless you wanted to return to a Sony ROM.

### Cynogenmod vs Stock Rom? ###

Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.

Brick3 said:
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
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Try to use stock based rom if u don't want to loose drm keys. As cm requires an ub phone.

Brick3 said:
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
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CM based roms have terrible camera performance. U will lost ur drm keys. Its contains ur camera clarity, bravia engine and so.. So better stick with stock Sony. But performance wise CM is best..

Brick3 said:
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
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In Sony world, it is mostly personal preference. If it was a Samsung phone I would no doubt say "go for it and never look back". For a Sony, it is just you have more than one option.
What you get with Sony's stock over a pure(ish) Android;
-Options to have ClearAudio+ and XReality technologies which helps to improve music and image quality respectively from Sony.
- Stamina Mod. Without turning up and down bars into orange
- Picture correcting software which is heavily integrated into original camera software and protected by famous DRM keys. It helps smoothing the noise on the photos, coming mostly from lack of enough light. Especially night shots really benefit from it (difference not so visible on day light).
- FM Radio and some software of Sony like Playstation center and internal backup and restore software, also an Antivirus if anyone is interested in.
Bad side of Sony's software over Pure Android:
- the theme you apply directly effects the top bar. I love red and red-like colors but I don't wanna use my whatsapp with a cherry red line on top. I was hoping that would change in 5.1.1 but no luck.
- standby drain is high if no Stamina is on. Something between 5-10% over night. That's absurd considering the usage drain is fairly good.
- all those beautiful camera options only limited to 8mp option. 12mp is just pure photo (still combined with Sony's correction software if DRMs are active)
- when I try to fast scroll, sometimes the launcher jumps two pages at a time but that happens only going to the right, not happening when going to the left
- I don't know if it's only my phone but most of the time turning on the WiFi is not enough for it to auto connect to a remembered network. I have to open the network list and click on it to connect.
So, what CM or other pure Android-based ROMs offer:
- visual consistentcy among all the apps and menus. Once use stock Android you understand how odd the later added apps look in modified versions. For example Google photos and Google calendar has very familiar look and feel and behaviours. So once you get used to them you can immediately and efficiently start using Google Messages too. However that is not the case with Sony's Album or Walkman app no matter they have their functional advantages.
- super fast, super light, super light on the battery.
- sound and camera may need some fine tuning to reach to Sony level but it is possible as this device have is well known by developers and shares a very generous, open code. For example OpenCam app is perfect for doing anything you want to do with your camera, and it also comes without Mp limitations.
- there are some neat additions to original Android like theme engine or assigning volume keys to change the song or reordering the tiles on the top bar.
- per app ops to limit untrusted apps' intentions.
- more options through Xposed as it is created from a widely shared code.
The cons:
- since most of the works are based on nightlies, sometimes things can be broken for a couple of days or something working might stop working after an update. So you must decide between a tester and a careful everyday user who comes one or two days after the testers on the update schedule.
- you should find you DRM keys a safe place before unlocking your bootloader (I keep mine on Google drive) as they will be gone in order to be able to install a non-Sony ROM.
- camera quality may degrade if you are fan of super auto mod especially (personally, not).
- Xreality will not be there as it is a Sony extension. However I personally think this beautiful screen does not need any tuning to show the beauty of anything.
- no FM radio or pre installed anti virus software.
Sent from my D6503 using XDA Free mobile app

_delice_doluca_ said:
In Sony world, it is mostly personal preference. If it was a Samsung phone I would no doubt say "go for it and never look back". For a Sony, it is just you have more than one option.
What you get with Sony's stock over a pure(ish) Android;
-Options to have ClearAudio+ and XReality technologies which helps to improve music and image quality respectively from Sony.
- Stamina Mod. Without turning up and down bars into orange
- Picture correcting software which is heavily integrated into original camera software and protected by famous DRM keys. It helps smoothing the noise on the photos, coming mostly from lack of enough light. Especially night shots really benefit from it (difference not so visible on day light).
- FM Radio and some software of Sony like Playstation center and internal backup and restore software, also an Antivirus if anyone is interested in.
Bad side of Sony's software over Pure Android:
- the theme you apply directly effects the top bar. I love red and red-like colors but I don't wanna use my whatsapp with a cherry red line on top. I was hoping that would change in 5.1.1 but no luck.
- standby drain is high if no Stamina is on. Something between 5-10% over night. That's absurd considering the usage drain is fairly good.
- all those beautiful camera options only limited to 8mp option. 12mp is just pure photo (still combined with Sony's correction software if DRMs are active)
- when I try to fast scroll, sometimes the launcher jumps two pages at a time but that happens only going to the right, not happening when going to the left
- I don't know if it's only my phone but most of the time turning on the WiFi is not enough for it to auto connect to a remembered network. I have to open the network list and click on it to connect.
So, what CM or other pure Android-based ROMs offer:
- visual consistentcy among all the apps and menus. Once use stock Android you understand how odd the later added apps look in modified versions. For example Google photos and Google calendar has very familiar look and feel and behaviours. So once you get used to them you can immediately and efficiently start using Google Messages too. However that is not the case with Sony's Album or Walkman app no matter they have their functional advantages.
- super fast, super light, super light on the battery.
- sound and camera may need some fine tuning to reach to Sony level but it is possible as this device have is well known by developers and shares a very generous, open code. For example OpenCam app is perfect for doing anything you want to do with your camera, and it also comes without Mp limitations.
- there are some neat additions to original Android like theme engine or assigning volume keys to change the song or reordering the tiles on the top bar.
- per app ops to limit untrusted apps' intentions.
- more options through Xposed as it is created from a widely shared code.
The cons:
- since most of the works are based on nightlies, sometimes things can be broken for a couple of days or something working might stop working after an update. So you must decide between a tester and a careful everyday user who comes one or two days after the testers on the update schedule.
- you should find you DRM keys a safe place before unlocking your bootloader (I keep mine on Google drive) as they will be gone in order to be able to install a non-Sony ROM.
- camera quality may degrade if you are fan of super auto mod especially (personally, not).
- Xreality will not be there as it is a Sony extension. However I personally think this beautiful screen does not need any tuning to show the beauty of anything.
- no FM radio or pre installed anti virus software.
Sent from my D6503 using XDA Free mobile app
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Thanks delice_doluca. That was just the answer I was looking for.
A few things I want to say:
-You've said that the camera is limited to 8 mp but I didn't get what you meant. I can go up to 20.7 mp.
-Cm and other rom's light weight, fast performance is due to the lack of unnecessary bloatware but I dont see how its one of their strengt as you can remove those bloatwares on stock ROM too with root access.
-There's a security software inside Cm as you said but the only difference is that its built in. On stock ROM you just download it manually and besides i'm pretty sure the security programs you're going to download from by kaspersky, avira etc will be a lot better than the cm one. Again I don't think its an advantage either. Im tryong find some good reasons to justify installing cm but I just can't find besides some minor ones as many features that is considered strength of cm you can also do it on stock ROM and im wondering why do some people prefer using cm?

Brick3 said:
Thanks delice_doluca. That was just the answer I was looking for.
A few things I want to say:
-You've said that the camera is limited to 8 mp but I didn't get what you meant. I can go up to 20.7 mp.
-Cm and other rom's light weight, fast performance is due to the lack of unnecessary bloatware but I dont see how its one of their strengt as you can remove those bloatwares on stock ROM too with root access.
-There's a security software inside Cm as you said but the only difference is that its built in. On stock ROM you just download it manually and besides i'm pretty sure the security programs you're going to download from by kaspersky, avira etc will be a lot better than the cm one. Again I don't think its an advantage either. Im tryong find some good reasons to justify installing cm but I just can't find besides some minor ones as many features that is considered strength of cm you can also do it on stock ROM and im wondering why do some people prefer using cm?
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- Camera is limited to 8mp if you want to apply scenes or choose another mode like HDR. When 20.7mp chosen, all you can do is to take the photo without any ambient or method oriented tuning. (no big deal actually, I shot at 20.7 Mp and tune it in my computer layer. However I wished there was HDR on 20.7 mp)
- do not think bloat ware only as additional apps. There are also background services, running under the OS, or other methods of the OS handling the user's or automated requests. I am not an Android developing master but I can give an example from Linux world. Last month Linux Mint released a new version and they announced their desktop environment (Cinnamon) was now using %40 less CPU even thought it had introduced more effects and options to the user. The trick was to calculate desktop's actions more efficiently and in a more harmonic way so the processes would not fight with each other. So they have knocked the CPU's door at more empty times and less frequently.
Stock Android is tailored by one team, with the same goals at their heads. Sony has another team who is also dressing it and tailoring some parts again. The Sony team is supposed to know what the first team intended and how good they are so they can make the modification exactly like they desired. However now the hybrid OS is designed by two different teams with (maybe entirety) different goals in minds. Don't get me wrong, Sony is the closest and most friendly team to the original Android project and to Google but still it is a complex effort and simplicity is everyone's friend in complex jobs.
- About the security software. Stock Sony ROM is the one which comes with security software (McAfee I guess). CM is open as a nature and you can limit user apps one by one (which is possible where root access exist, regardless of the ROM). My thinking is, all the Antivirus software is unnecessary in Android world. The one and only protection is common sense (simply don't install or clock everything )
What I have been writing should not make you want to install CM BTW CM or other stock Android - like ROMs exist mostly for the people who are saying "I wish that was the next Nexus device, like Xperia Nexus". Basically, for an Xperia device, wanting to install stock Android is just about personal joy or habits coming from another stock Android device (mostly a Nexus).
Don't look for bigger reasons as you probably will not find. All you need to have in your mind is liking stock Android more than Sony's Android and some free time to build your own device experience.
Ps: stock Android term is used for Google's own Android which is not touched by any other company (Sony, Samsung, HTC etc.)
Sent from my D6503 using XDA Free mobile app

_delice_doluca_ said:
- Camera is limited to 8mp if you want to apply scenes or choose another mode like HDR. When 20.7mp chosen, all you can do is to take the photo without any ambient or method oriented tuning. (no big deal actually, I shot at 20.7 Mp and tune it in my computer layer. However I wished there was HDR on 20.7 mp)
- do not think bloat ware only as additional apps. There are also background services, running under the OS, or other methods of the OS handling the user's or automated requests. I am not an Android developing master but I can give an example from Linux world. Last month Linux Mint released a new version and they announced their desktop environment (Cinnamon) was now using %40 less CPU even thought it had introduced more effects and options to the user. The trick was to calculate desktop's actions more efficiently and in a more harmonic way so the processes would not fight with each other. So they have knocked the CPU's door at more empty times and less frequently.
Stock Android is tailored by one team, with the same goals at their heads. Sony has another team who is also dressing it and tailoring some parts again. The Sony team is supposed to know what the first team intended and how good they are so they can make the modification exactly like they desired. However now the hybrid OS is designed by two different teams with (maybe entirety) different goals in minds. Don't get me wrong, Sony is the closest and most friendly team to the original Android project and to Google but still it is a complex effort and simplicity is everyone's friend in complex jobs.
- About the security software. Stock Sony ROM is the one which comes with security software (McAfee I guess). CM is open as a nature and you can limit user apps one by one (which is possible where root access exist, regardless of the ROM). My thinking is, all the Antivirus software is unnecessary in Android world. The one and only protection is common sense (simply don't install or clock everything )
What I have been writing should not make you want to install CM BTW CM or other stock Android - like ROMs exist mostly for the people who are saying "I wish that was the next Nexus device, like Xperia Nexus". Basically, for an Xperia device, wanting to install stock Android is just about personal joy or habits coming from another stock Android device (mostly a Nexus).
Don't look for bigger reasons as you probably will not find. All you need to have in your mind is liking stock Android more than Sony's Android and some free time to build your own device experience.
Ps: stock Android term is used for Google's own Android which is not touched by any other company (Sony, Samsung, HTC etc.)
Sent from my D6503 using XDA Free mobile app
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I guess i'll continue to use stock ROM as i'm happy with it.
Thank you so much for this detailed answer.

why is the multi tasking so bad on cm11?

Do you get camera 2 api on cyanogens rom? If be prepared to swap if they did for manual focus

cm has media skip buttons function., that alone makes me prefer it more

I was contemplating the same as the OP. After reading the replies here I've decided to look at other options for installing a custom ROM without unlocking the bootloader.
You guys have provided some really good info in this thread, I wish others could be as informative.
Thanks

Cm is good for my nexus5, but seems it is not so good for my z2

AOSP Camera Bounty, Z3 and Z3 Compact

Hi XDA community,
I am currently running the latest AOSP on our phone, and it is very nice. The only part really missing now is the camera. I know anyone who is familiar with AOSP on our device will know the story.
What I am wondering now is if people would be interested in raising a bounty to get an implementation put together?
I for one would be happy to put up some cash if it meant that we got a fully functioning Android for another year. The hardware in the phone is plenty enough for everything I use it for.
Developers would any of you be interested in claiming a bounty by fixing up our camera drivers to work with the 3.10 AOSP kernel?
Flashable Zips of AOSP Nougat Z3c:https://www.androidfilehost.com/user/?w=settings-dev-files&flid=73595
Promised Donations:
@mcgi5sr2 $50
@smorgar $10
@istux $15
@okij $15
@Rumbi $10
 @danilobertelli $15
 @nailyk $20
 @Tilarou $20
 @Me Gusta $10
Total: $165
I will need to work out exactly what we are going to specify as a working camera. Please comment with thoughts.
requests so far:
No fish eye
picture and video recording
Auto Focus

This is a neat idea. But I don't even know if it's possible to achieve this.

Im in! 10$ from me!
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Hi XDA community,
I am currently running the latest AOSP on our phone, and it is very nice.
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Is it stable enough to use as a daily driver? Other bugs/kinks than the broken camera? Im really tempted to test it but i cant download it through the mirror they use. Get some popup regarding adblock that i cant get rid of, even tho i use IE with no adblock at all...

Put me up for $15 :good:
I'll give my money ONLY IF the camera will be fisheye-bug free. (no flame please, this is just my offer)

I'm in with 15 $ too.
And I share the opinion of @istux that the camera should be fisheye-bug free.
@mcgi5sr2: Could you cross-post this in the Z3 forums too, since they are in the same situation and also might participate in the bounty? Cheers.

I would be in with 10 Bucks, too. Afaik the camera is already working with picture and video, only this fisheye bug makes it more or less useless. So with the fisheye bug fixed, everything should be fine?!

Rumbi said:
I would be in with 10 Bucks, too. Afaik the camera is already working with picture and video, only this fisheye bug makes it more or less useless. So with the fisheye bug fixed, everything should be fine?!
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On the 1.3.3 kernel the cameras are split, and video isn't working. Work is still ongoing on it, but I'm hoping a financial incentive will help

I'm in with 15 $ too if all camera issues can be fixed.

danilobertelli said:
I'm in with 15 $ too if all camera issues can be fixed.
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cool camera is improving a lot, next set of blobs should have it all sorted including auto focus. Would be cool if we could find a good dev and get him interested in sorting out the fish eye issue

Glad to see your thread as I wanna do the same.
Do you know a dev thread had been opened for this problem?
How do you plan to split the bounty between the devs who will fix the issue?
I buy my device for the camera. Without camera it is useless for me. Depending of the month on the claim I can be in between 20 and 50$.

The fisheye bug isn't there in the new camera. It's there only in the older blobs.

oSandmaNo said:
The fisheye bug isn't there in the new camera. It's there only in the older blobs.
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I assume the same progress has been done for both Z3/C, right?
If so, what are the downsides of the new 7.1 builds?

doriandiaconu said:
I assume the same progress has been done for both Z3/C, right?
If so, what are the downsides of the new 7.1 builds?
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I don't see anyone compiling 7.0/1 for z3/C except for Nailyk, but AFAIK he does cm14 and not AOSP. But whatever is fixed in z1 and z2 will work for z3 as well. As long as someone builds one for us

oSandmaNo said:
I don't see anyone compiling 7.0/1 for z3/C except for Nailyk, but AFAIK he does cm14 and not AOSP. But whatever is fixed in z1 and z2 will work for z3 as well. As long as someone builds one for us
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They are not on xda but fxpblog roms should be up-to-date with sonyxperiadev work.
And you are right, I only build CyanogenMod.
If I get it right you said fisheye is not present anymore. Can you link me to the rom zip and sources as I can give a try please? Or maybe you are talking about incoming blobs?

nailyk said:
They are not on xda but fxpblog roms should be up-to-date with sonyxperiadev work.
And you are right, I only build CyanogenMod.
If I get it right you said fisheye is not present anymore. Can you link me to the rom zip and sources as I can give a try please? Or maybe you are talking about incoming blobs?
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I'm not a developer but from what I've been reading (I'm a lurker ) for the past year is that the fish eye bug is introduced due to using the jellybean blobs from Z1 and then using a wrapper around it. The new camera does not use that, so there is no fish eye bug. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't flashed any AOSP ROM on my device, but I read a lot. I've also seen the pictures taken by the z2 users and I can't see the fisheye in them. The incoming blobs should fix the focus problems, but the fish eye was never a problem ever since they got it working.

oSandmaNo said:
I'm not a developer but from what I've been reading (I'm a lurker ) for the past year is that the fish eye bug is introduced due to using the jellybean blobs from Z1 and then using a wrapper around it. The new camera does not use that, so there is no fish eye bug. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't flashed any AOSP ROM on my device, but I read a lot. I've also seen the pictures taken by the z2 users and I can't see the fisheye in them. The incoming blobs should fix the focus problems, but the fish eye was never a problem ever since they got it working.
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Sorry but the fisheye problem doesn't came from blobs only. We discuss a little about it here (and next posts). Our z3(c) had a wide angle camera in a small component. The only way to get this is with a specific lens on the imx220. (imx220c iirc). So honami blobs on z3 get the camera working (almost) perfectly except the proprietary implementation of sony lens correction is absent, that is why we have this fisheye bug. And afaik only z3(c) had this imx220 version.
So if new blobs doesn't provide this proprietary correction or release it still under drm protection, fisheyebug will still be present.

The fisheye is something that needs to be corrected with aftermarket picture processing. As of V5 blobs, the camera on shinano is working, but autofocus is not properly calibrated. That will be done in the future V6 blobs.
If someone wants a 7.1 Build for aries with a working (read non-crashing cam, but broken AutoFocus), I upload some of my Carbon Builds from time to time here:
https://dl.myself5.de/aries/CarbonROM/
Btw, the fix for the camera on 1.3.3 that made full pictures possible was done by @erikas, maybe you want to consider him in your bounty decision. Everything else will be done using vendor blobs or picture post processing.
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the new camera fix noises in night pictures ?
images night z1 and z2 is is incredibly good this can also work on z3 / C / tablet ? I know that has many problems focus and others but it's a big step to aosp in xperias

I would gladly put 20€ if the camera support the following:
Z3 dual (D6633/D6683), noise reduction, all feature of original sony camera app including video with audio and 4K (except proprietary function like Sony noise reduction and other DRM related fonctions).

tiliarou said:
I would gladly put 20€ if the camera support the following:
Z3 dual (D6633/D6683), noise reduction, all feature of original sony camera app including video with audio and 4K (except proprietary function like Sony noise reduction and other DRM related fonctions).
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That is never gonna happen

Why are we working on Oreo???

Why are we working on android Oreo? Should we try to perfect Nougat first. I see this so much with other devices, instead of having a few perfect roms you have a ton of half baked ones.

I'm running this device on Oreo and it works perfectly well for my needs. Its not my day to day tablet, but as a backup tablet, its there when I need it and does what I need it to. Why wouldn't they work on Oreo? There's no such thing as a perfect rom and nobody is ever going to make one due to limitations in hardware and open source drivers etc....
Personally, I'm happy that they have brought the latest incarnation of Android to this device and look forward to watching it improve with each new release.

lmulli said:
I'm running this device on Oreo and it works perfectly well for my needs. Its not my day to day tablet, but as a backup tablet, its there when I need it and does what I need it to. Why wouldn't they work on Oreo? There's no such thing as a perfect rom and nobody is ever going to make one due to limitations in hardware and open source drivers etc....
Personally, I'm happy that they have brought the latest incarnation of Android to this device and look forward to watching it improve with each new release.
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>No such thing as a perfect rom
what are you talking about? Nougat on my RAZR M (just as old as the Nexus 10) runs flawlessly, and everything functions, so yes, there is such a thing as a perfect rom (or at least one with minimal bugs)
Most all roms have all functions on my ancient OG Nexus 7 (albeit a bit slow)
>Running oreo
HW video playback doesn't work, so no youtube app or netflix
Camera is still broken (some people need it for conference calls and hangouts chats)
--flash is broken too (you usually don't need it, but for those few situations you do, this is quite annoying)
Bluetooth wifi bug persists (turning on bluetooth and connecting a device makes wifi slow down and then disconnect)
My point is that we shouldn't just ditch/give up on fixing old bugs just to pursue a newer version of android. I'd rather run stable and fast Nougat than a half baked Oreo or Nougat build any day.
I know development is hard (my build set up errors out like no other) but that is just the reason we need to fix these things before wasting our time on something that will be harder to fix.

Galaxyninja66 said:
>No such thing as a perfect rom
what are you talking about? Nougat on my RAZR M (just as old as the Nexus 10) runs flawlessly, and everything functions, so yes, there is such a thing as a perfect rom (or at least one with minimal bugs)
Most all roms have all functions on my ancient OG Nexus 7 (albeit a bit slow)
>Running oreo
HW video playback doesn't work, so no youtube app or netflix
Camera is still broken (some people need it for conference calls and hangouts chats)
--flash is broken too (you usually don't need it, but for those few situations you do, this is quite annoying)
Bluetooth wifi bug persists (turning on bluetooth and connecting a device makes wifi slow down and then disconnect)
My point is that we shouldn't just ditch/give up on fixing old bugs just to pursue a newer version of android. I'd rather run stable and fast Nougat than a half baked Oreo or Nougat build any day.
I know development is hard (my build set up errors out like no other) but that is just the reason we need to fix these things before wasting our time on something that will be harder to fix.
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If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you.
The Devs. which are still supporting the N10 said that they are not specialists for the open issues like camera, so they can't fix it. We should be happy that they try to make the best rom which they are capable and motivated for Nougat/Oreo etc.

tim-scrap said:
If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you.
The Devs. which are still supporting the N10 said that they are not specialists for the open issues like camera, so they can't fix it. We should be happy that they try to make the best rom which they are capable and motivated for Nougat/Oreo etc.
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>making the best rom which they are capable
they aren't though, that's my point. They are slowly moving on to building oreo instead of trying to fix nougat which would both be easier and more beneficial to the community.
>If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you
I obviously don't (not that I'm not trying to), and part of my point is that the people who are the most competent (not competent, just the most competent, if you know what I mean) would get on the camera fix choo choo train, we could probably have a fix sooner rather than never.

Galaxyninja66 said:
>making the best rom which they are capable
they aren't though, that's my point. They are slowly moving on to building oreo instead of trying to fix nougat which would both be easier and more beneficial to the community.
>If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you
I obviously don't (not that I'm not trying to), and part of my point is that the people who are the most competent (not competent, just the most competent, if you know what I mean) would get on the camera fix choo choo train, we could probably have a fix sooner rather than never.
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Got your point. Nevertheless if the developers are not willing or capable doesn't matter. It's their decision and they owe us nothing. If you read the different threads each dev. said why he didn't fix e.g. camera.

tim-scrap said:
Got your point. Nevertheless if the developers are not willing or capable doesn't matter. It's their decision and they owe us nothing. If you read the different threads each dev. said why he didn't fix e.g. camera.
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link me, I have been looking for explanations on the camera for ages now. I didn't know if it was a problem with the Exynos framework for the camera or Nougat/Oreo themselves.

Galaxyninja66 said:
link me, I have been looking for explanations on the camera for ages now. I didn't know if it was a problem with the Exynos framework for the camera or Nougat/Oreo themselves.
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Sorry my friend I will not read all posts of the last roms and why scanno, followmsi and the others are not fixing the open topics like camera, etc. That's your job. And if it is still not clear for you, you can ask the last active dev. (followmsi). he just pointed out today why he will not do so. Just read the posts around N10.

Galaxyninja66 said:
link me, I have been looking for explanations on the camera for ages now. I didn't know if it was a problem with the Exynos framework for the camera or Nougat/Oreo themselves.
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Marshmallow is the last version of Android where everything works right on the Nexus 10. I don't have links but from everything I have seen/read, the devs can't do anything about the camera after Marshmallow. Google isn't giving the devs anything to work with anymore so stuff has to be ported or fixed by the devs alone. And I do beleive it has something to do with the hardware. But as it stands, Nougat is pretty flawless except for the camera. And Oreo is getting worked on to fix the HW Video Playback and other bugs which I'm sure they'll get fixed eventually. But most of the issues lie with the hardware. There's nothing much any dev can do about certain bugs. At this point, it's either live with the bugs or move on from the Nexus 10.

jsgraphicart said:
Marshmallow is the last version of Android where everything works right on the Nexus 10. I don't have links but from everything I have seen/read, the devs can't do anything about the camera after Marshmallow. Google isn't giving the devs anything to work with anymore so stuff has to be ported or fixed by the devs alone. And I do beleive it has something to do with the hardware. But as it stands, Nougat is pretty flawless except for the camera. And Oreo is getting worked on to fix the HW Video Playback and other bugs which I'm sure they'll get fixed eventually. But most of the issues lie with the hardware. There's nothing much any dev can do about certain bugs. At this point, it's either live with the bugs or move on from the Nexus 10.
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I'll probably live with the bugs for a bit, I don't use the camera much, but when I do, its REALLY convenient. Marshmallow works great, and worst case I sell my N10 and grab a Nexus 9

Galaxyninja66 said:
I'll probably live with the bugs for a bit, I don't use the camera much, but when I do, its REALLY convenient. Marshmallow works great, and worst case I sell my N10 and grab a Nexus 9
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Yeah, don't get a nexus 9. Oreo has the same problems (no h/w video decoding, no camera) on N9. I've pretty much given up on Android tablets (I own 4, Touchpad, N10, N9 and Amazon Fire w/ LineageOS), it looks like google has too.

funkybrunk said:
Yeah, don't get a nexus 9. Oreo has the same problems (no h/w video decoding, no camera) on N9. I've pretty much given up on Android tablets (I own 4, Touchpad, N10, N9 and Amazon Fire w/ LineageOS), it looks like google has too.
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I can't, I love android tablets. They are a blast to use, and I use them much more often than my phone. To each their own, but frankly Google can suck it if they think people will stop using tablets.

The point is thet when android 8 wil works on nexus 10 all newer androids will work to thanks to project treble.
source.android.com/devices/architecture/treble

sagu55 said:
The point is thet when android 8 wil works on nexus 10 all newer androids will work to thanks to project treble.
source.android.com/devices/architecture/treble
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iirc project treble was only for devices shipping with oreo out of the box, and was only a requirement, i.e. you must have a compatible AOSP factory image that is compatible with other treble devices (which doesn't count the N10 as it shipped with 4.2). I'll give that link a read but I as far as I currently know it doesn't support the N10

@Galaxyninja66 to fix the camera you need to port the old api1 camera to nougat/Oreo.
The api2 camera code was removed entirely from Android, that's why the camera stopped working.
The reason nobody is working on this is because it takes a lot of time to do that and none of the active devs even use the camera

tetsuo55 said:
@Galaxyninja66 to fix the camera you need to port the old api1 camera to nougat/Oreo.
The api2 camera code was removed entirely from Android, that's why the camera stopped working.
The reason nobody is working on this is because it takes a lot of time to do that and none of the active devs even use the camera
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I also noticed while poking around in the camera HAL that a TON of values were just missing entirely. I would love a working camera but frankly it doesn't seem worth the work if it means either A: porting a deprecated API or B: rebuilding an entirely new one
*sigh* and the layer of dust on top of the Nexus 10 gets a little thicker.

Everyone else is doable tho

considering what an excellent tablet the Nexus was in its brief heyday, this is all very depressing! I really hate how valuable devices can be turned into landfill so gratuitously...

Solved Xperia AOSP Problems - Better as Stock

Hey Folks, while working on My next Snappatch Version was i able to fix the biggest Problems on the XZ Premium which should also affect other Xperias. Here are the main Points:
-Camera Noise (Solved)
-Display Quality (Solved)
-Audio Output Quality (Solved)
-Microphone Handling (Solved)
In conlcusion:
I added and enabled some Camera Services and Functions to enhance the Quality and to allow full Google Camera Mod Support.
I added and enabled Display Services and Functions to deliver a more Natural Output besides HDR Support and Adaptive Backlight capabilities.
I added and enabled Audio Services, Functions and Libraries from Qualcomm and SONY Oreo Firmwares to enhance the Output Quality over all Sources like Videos, Music and the main System.
Last but not least better Microphone Handling. Adapted and ehanced from many Android Devices and Qualcomm Documentations to deliver better Recognition and Input Quality over both Mics on top and bottom of the Device.
Nothing against switching from Stock to AOSP anymore. The benefits of Snappatched AOSP over Stock are huge. Latest SDK, full Substratum Support, better Audio and Visual Quality (In and Output), better Performance (Shadowgun Ledgends on Ultra - 60FPS, No heat, no glitches), more freedom of UI Layouts, better App Support, faster Storage Speeds, newer Kernel, Smoother UI, Adaptive Icon Support, Pixel Features and so on. The Snappatch for the XZP is coming soon and i Hope i can raise the Interest on AOSP on Xperias with this!
Forget Stock! This is the next Level! Love My XZP now...
Stay tuned and try it by Yourself!

I hope that you are right. But i want to try it very bad want i want a good working aosp! I CANT WAIT!!!

I'm on 8142 dual SIM I'm willing to try too

:cyclops: Ufff!!! sounds amazing !!! can't wait to test it

G8142 here also. Can't wait to try this out

I think I will unlock my bootloader ?
Can't wait for some reviews

I would really like to get some advanced Feedback and compares between Stock and AOSP. RAW alone should be worth the Bootloader unlock and going away from Stock. SONY does a really great Job on the Sources for our AOSP Bases and everything runs really well compared to other Devices like from LG. One Thing that really bothers Me is the buggy TWRP on our XZP. CPU Temp isn't showing right, MTP fails 90% of the Time and AROMA has a Displaying Bug. Since the Snappatch is coming with My own crafted AROMA Installer will we face a invisible Utility, but i will make a Video showing how to easily flash the Patch anyways on our Devices (Side by Side with working AROMA on the Axon 7).
Hope @Myself5 can solve the TWRP Issues one Day, and that more Users will pay attention to him and his Work on our Forums! Thanks a lot Mate for contributing that much to our Devices, and Sorry for People like this "FartyParty" Guy! Much respect for You, i know how it feels to be on XDA sometimes...

Miustone said:
Hey Folks, while working on My next Snappatch Version was i able to fix the biggest Problems on the XZ Premium which should also affect other Xperias. Here are the main Points:
-Camera Noise (Solved)
-Display Quality (Solved)
-Audio Output Quality (Solved)
-Microphone Handling (Solved)
In conlcusion:
I added and enabled some Camera Services and Functions to enhance the Quality and to allow full Google Camera Mod Support.
I added and enabled Display Services and Functions to deliver a more Natural Output besides HDR Support and Adaptive Backlight capabilities.
I added and enabled Audio Services, Functions and Libraries from Qualcomm and SONY Oreo Firmwares to enhance the Output Quality over all Sources like Videos, Music and the main System.
Last but not least better Microphone Handling. Adapted and ehanced from many Android Devices and Qualcomm Documentations to deliver better Recognition and Input Quality over both Mics on top and bottom of the Device.
Nothing against switching from Stock to AOSP anymore. The benefits of Snappatched AOSP over Stock are huge. Latest SDK, full Substratum Support, better Audio and Visual Quality (In and Output), better Performance (Shadowgun Ledgends on Ultra - 60FPS, No heat, no glitches), more freedom of UI Layouts, better App Support, faster Storage Speeds, newer Kernel, Smoother UI, Adaptive Icon Support, Pixel Features and so on. The Snappatch for the XZP is coming soon and i Hope i can raise the Interest on AOSP on Xperias with this!
Forget Stock! This is the next Level! Love My XZP now...
Stay tuned and try it by Yourself!
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dude send your paypal account, dinner on me <3
cant wait to see this baby up and running

Yes I agree we all should donate for all the hard work and time invested yes send me your PayPal address

Miustone said:
I would really like to get some advanced Feedback and compares between Stock and AOSP. RAW alone should be worth the Bootloader unlock and going away from Stock. SONY does a really great Job on the Sources for our AOSP Bases and everything runs really well compared to other Devices like from LG. One Thing that really bothers Me is the buggy TWRP on our XZP. CPU Temp isn't showing right, MTP fails 90% of the Time and AROMA has a Displaying Bug. Since the Snappatch is coming with My own crafted AROMA Installer will we face a invisible Utility, but i will make a Video showing how to easily flash the Patch anyways on our Devices (Side by Side with working AROMA on the Axon 7).
Hope @Myself5 can solve the TWRP Issues one Day, and that more Users will pay attention to him and his Work on our Forums! Thanks a lot Mate for contributing that much to our Devices, and Sorry for People like this "FartyParty" Guy! Much respect for You, i know how it feels to be on XDA sometimes...
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Man this is wonderful a i cant wait for your patch,but twrp,i remember you created a patch called light patch and aroma installer on that worjs with our device,[email protected] he created carbon rom and twrp for G8141 so carbon works for us but twrp not.

madshark2009 said:
dude send your paypal account, dinner on me <3
cant wait to see this baby up and running
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grodri19721 said:
Yes I agree we all should donate for all the hard work and time invested yes send me your PayPal address
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That makes Me very glad and proud, Thanks Guys! Sadly can i not use PayPal, but i would really appreciate if People would Donate to My Mother. She had a Hard Time and is now caring My Grandma which is diseased. I think she would be very thankful and happy about some Donations based on My Work here. I will talk to her and if it's ok do i share her Paypal Address on My Thread or Signatur somehow. Think that would be a nice Idea if You're also ok with that!
Blackghosthm said:
Man this is wonderful a i cant wait for your patch,but twrp,i remember you created a patch called light patch and aroma installer on that worjs with our device,[email protected] he created carbon rom and twrp for G8141 so carbon works for us but twrp not.
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Strange. I Googled a lot about this and this was always a Issues with some TWRP Recoveries. Most of the Time did it helped to use older TWRP Images but the last one gives just a Black Screen after booting into it. I will test a Copy of My old Light Patch again and take a look on whats different! Thanks for the Hint!

Miustone said:
That makes Me very glad and proud, Thanks Guys! Sadly can i not use PayPal, but i would really appreciate if People would Donate to My Mother. She had a Hard Time and is now caring My Grandma which is diseased. I think she would be very thankful and happy about some Donations based on My Work here. I will talk to her and if it's ok do i share her Paypal Address on My Thread or Signatur somehow. Think that would be a nice Idea if You're also ok with that!
Strange. I Googled a lot about this and this was always a Issues with some TWRP Recoveries. Most of the Time did it helped to use older TWRP Images but the last one gives just a Black Screen after booting into it. I will test a Copy of My old Light Patch again and take a look on whats different! Thanks for the Hint!
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If it possible release your patch for less than 5 hours because my internet time is going to end.please.

How was RAW support achieved?
From what I've seen, this wasn't possible before because there were no drivers that enabled that with the used camera chip.
And there's still one thing missing; SloMo support. Is there a chance this can be added as well?

Blackghosthm said:
If it possible release your patch for less than 5 hours because my internet time is going to end.please.
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I had trouble with the Camera Configs (Camera not starting anymore), but solved it and added more of them. Last remaining Problem are Issues with Google Service Audio (Music and Video not playing due to failing Audio Configs). Think i need more Time to solve this, but the release is close...
4rz0 said:
How was RAW support achieved?
From what I've seen, this wasn't possible before because there were no drivers that enabled that with the used camera chip.
And there's still one thing missing; SloMo support. Is there a chance this can be added as well?
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It's all there on AOSP. Camera2 API is supported but not configured right (There are X Lines for the Cameras), i've seen the same on the Z1 and Z3 (https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...ussion-development-custom-rom-t3479108/page11) some Years back, and i was sure it's all depending on this right now. Other Xperias may have the same Camera Problems since AOSP is coming with just the barely minimum of Build Properties and Configs. That's also the Case on the most other Devices and AOSP based ROM and one of the Reasons for doing My Patch. Some missing Things are causing Issues (Like Microphone Problems), and others do just bring a lack of Features (Like with the Camera and Display, Audio, etc.).
It's pretty Time intense to test all this Entries and Values but it's really worth the Time. And if i would do a OS would i start with that Things before changing the Kernel and adding ROM Features, but i can only talk for Me. Not sure how much Time ROM Devs put into building of AOSP for the own Devices, but i work for sure at least 40 Hours on One Major Release of My Patch (Including copying, flashing, testing and editing).
AROMA was also really Time Intense but i removed the Installer over Night and edited the Updater Script to flash the recommended Options without it. Here is a little List of what gets flashed:
-Original Oreo Pixel Bootanimation
-Original Oreo Pixel Ringtones, Alarms, Notifications
-HTC U 11 UI Sounds, Ringtones, Alarms, Notifications
-Prop Patch (Including many changes and Configs)
-Snappatch Core System (Including the mainly needed Content)
-Snappatch Audio System (Based on XZ Premium Oreo Stock)
-Snappatch Emojis (EmojiOne replacement Font)
-Magisk Stable V16
-Busybox with many Applets, SElinux & Magisk Support
-GApps (Barely minimum Set)
And that's it for now. It includes all of the Features of the Patch, less optional but i can ensure a great Experience with this Setup! Like said am i now about to fix the last Bugs which are Audio Config related and after that will come the Thread with the new Release. Hope You will like it Folks!
BR

Stupid xda -__-

Keep up the good work brother

I'm done for now! Release is in the next 24 Hours...
Changelog can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ak5DsenMjuSyypPBAjQact6MhtsE2MRFlvCHLTn9uHA/edit?usp=sharing
I removed the Audio System for now due to Issues with Xperias AOSP ROMs but i'll work on it again after releasing the actual Patch. Sounds already a lot better even without the replacement Libs and Configs! Stay tuned...

Sony 8142 dual SIM ?? Please

grodri19721 said:
Sony 8142 dual SIM ?? Please
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Yes

can't wait to have a try.
bro you've contributed a lot to our device
Thank you so much!