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How bad are the Radio (3G) issues I hear about the N1?

On the fence between the N1/HD2/Droid/Waiting for this new Dell tablet thing.
The only thing thats really keeping me from pulling the trigger on a N1 is that I keep hearing that the radio sucks for 3g, and now also wifi.
Now I like to assume these people are just n00bs and don't know how to get the best out of their phones like us xda geeks do.
So how true are they? Any regrets here on the boards?
P.S I'm in London,UK.

ive yet to have a problem, and i think its more of a US based problem than a UK one and I am in the US... get the N1 and dont look back, its a solid phone... the droid is a step down in my opinion

just got mine
I was thinking the same thing you where, I just went for it and order one. I have no issues with the 3G. The N1 is fantastic, and it is very fast. I think the early issues people have complained about must have been from an earlier batch of phone in the beginning stages on the release.
PS: in NYC

Had no problems with 3G or wifi

I honestly think the 3G issues is exacerbated here in the U.S. on T-mobile's network where they don't have "deep" coverage. In larger cities, such as Chicago (where I've tested my theory), no amount of covering the lower back portion of the phone caused me to drop off 3G. I went from 4 bars to 3, and that's about it. Here in Toledo, Ohio, T-mobile hasn't saturated the area with 3G, and covering the phone while indoors drops me to Edge. Outdoors I'm still fine.

0 WiFi problems here. On ATT, so I can't comment on 3G, but reception has been strong for voice.

Had no problems with 3G or wifi for almost 2 months with this speedster!

galaxys said:
Had no problems with 3G or wifi for almost 2 months with this speedster!
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Las Vegas = 3G saturation
Damn you big city dwellers...

uansari1 said:
Las Vegas = 3G saturation
Damn you big city dwellers...
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Just a lucky roll af the dice

uansari1 said:
I honestly think the 3G issues is exacerbated here in the U.S. on T-mobile's network where they don't have "deep" coverage. In larger cities, such as Chicago (where I've tested my theory), no amount of covering the lower back portion of the phone caused me to drop off 3G. I went from 4 bars to 3, and that's about it. Here in Toledo, Ohio, T-mobile hasn't saturated the area with 3G, and covering the phone while indoors drops me to Edge. Outdoors I'm still fine.
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haha, toledo... i grew up in sylvania and all i can say is i am glad i am out of that **** hole of a city... and yes the 3g there is weaksauce... but that is a "verizon town"... i literally think 80% of the pop has verizon in toledo

silverkiller said:
Now I like to assume these people are just n00bs and don't know how to get the best out of their phones like us xda geeks do.
So how true are they? Any regrets here on the boards?
P.S I'm in London,UK.
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I may be a junior member on this forum, but my 3G issues are legit. It's a design flaw, but as long as I'm in an area with strong 3G it never drops. At my house, my G1 will have stable 3G, but I can play the hand trick with the N1. Not a big deal, Wifi solves that. It only annoys me when it flip flops between 3G and EDGE, which you can fix. Really comes down to how good your coverage is.
Issues or not, no regrets here, I love my phone.

JHaste said:
haha, toledo... i grew up in sylvania and all i can say is i am glad i am out of that **** hole of a city... and yes the 3g there is weaksauce... but that is a "verizon town"... i literally think 80% of the pop has verizon in toledo
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You're right about everything, lol... Verizon does have great coverage here. I'm only here for law school... originally from Cincinnati. I'm done in December and moving to Maryland/D.C.
HighTech216 said:
I may be a junior member on this forum, but my 3G issues are legit. It's a design flaw, but as long as I'm in an area with strong 3G it never drops. At my house, my G1 will have stable 3G, but I can play the hand trick with the N1. Not a big deal, Wifi solves that. It only annoys me when it flip flops between 3G and EDGE, which you can fix. Really comes down to how good your coverage is.
Issues or not, no regrets here, I love my phone.
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Where in Ohio are you man? I completely believe you. But I put the blame on T-mo. I don't think they has really great coverage anywhere in the state, but I can only comment on Cincinnati, Cleveland and Toledo. When I visited my sis in Chicago a few weeks ago, I couldn't get the phone to drop below 3 bars of 3G. As I've said repeatedly in other threads, I think it's T-mo's greater level of 3G saturation in those cities. More towers, more overlap among those towers, etc. That's the logical conclusion. Sure HTC's antenna placement doesn't help, but with adequate data coverage, it would be a non-issue.

The 3G issue seems to be case-by-case. Sometimes I can't block signal no matter what I do, other times it's an obvious drop to edge when i hold my phone with my hand.
I've found in such situations, having the new cyanogen ROM with the 180˚ rotation helps a lot. Hold the phone upside down and I suddenly have full HSDPA

I don't have 3G where I live, but when I was down in San Luis Obispo where there's HSDPA, and when I went to a friend's house on the outskirts of 3G coverage, I had no problem dropping back to EDGE, then when I'd go outside or closer to downtown I'd get my 3G signal back.

I'm on CM5 as well in a small town in the Midwestern US. I don't really get 3G problems, but I DO see the phone switch back and forth between H and 3G while it manages the data connection. Sometimes this seems to make the data stall, but a reload of whatever I'm doing fixes it.

Good
I am on O2 & in London the 3G is very good, I downloaded an album from the Amazon MP3 store this morning & it was very quick. Coverage will depend on carrier, but the N1 seems to have a better connection than any of my previous WinMo devices, almost all HTC based.
At home I have an imperfect 3G signal, I get it about 75% of the time depending on where I am in the house. I don't think its an N1 issue, just poor coverage.
If I need speed at home and the 3G drop the Wifi is great, never had an issue with that.
I'm about 7 weeks into the N1 & I can't fault it.

I've never had a problem, here on the East Coast of the US.

i live in Houston, TX i would switch from edge, to 3g constantly...
thankfully my college i got accepted to sends every freshmen a new iphone3Gs and are required to use. so now i must be a AT&T fanboy lol

The things mentioned were all rumors, they keep trying to find a flaw to this device, even though it's so new, with such huge improvements, in my experience its a flawless device.
I'm from new jersey, Edge, 3G, HSDPA, and Wifi all tested working flawlessly. From all the made up myths (screen, connectivity, you name it) the 1 thing that I disliked from this phone was the screens' ability to attract more fingerprints than a CSI show, and I fixed this issue by getting invisible shield (rubbery screen protector).
Rooted the N1, installed my trackball colors, got cyanogen 5+ with Kspec theme = 100% amazing phone, apps such as Gmote, google earth among so many more, make this thing so much more than a phone, I never drop from HSDPA to 3G or Edge unless I go to New York, I seem to be on 3G speeds at times, but in NJ HSDPA all day long. If you have any questions about the device, email me at [email protected] I'll link you to my youtube vids for information or questions. Take it from me and others that actually own the device, that its a well rounded cellphone and it's not even 3 months old. I've had a g1, mytouch, cliq, iphone 3gs, nothing comes close to this phone, btw check out tmobiles (even more plus) new plans, I pay 65 after taxes for all my needs, unlimited text, web, mobile to mobile, weeknights and weekends. They may charge you $30 to go to the cheaper plans. Take care.
- Gslick

silverkiller said:
On the fence between the N1/HD2/Droid/Waiting for this new Dell tablet thing.
The only thing thats really keeping me from pulling the trigger on a N1 is that I keep hearing that the radio sucks for 3g, and now also wifi.
Now I like to assume these people are just n00bs and don't know how to get the best out of their phones like us xda geeks do.
So how true are they? Any regrets here on the boards?
P.S I'm in London,UK.
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HSDPA sucks in the UK:
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On a more serious note, I don't seem to suffer crap wifi or mobile data (Vodafone contract), but you do read a lot about people with issues.
Do I regret it? Nope.

Sprint Wi-Max 4G Users...Signal Penetration vs 3g??

To those lucky few who have an EVO (or 4g USB dongles) AND are in 4g markets, what is your signal penetration like vs 3g?
It is my understanding that 4g runs on a different frequency band, so has anyone experienced better/poorer signal penetration, such as indoors, or in any other signal-sapping topographies?
What is your experience vs 3g signal penetration in the same area?

khov07 said:
To those lucky few who have an EVO (or 4g USB dongles) AND are in 4g markets, what is your signal penetration like vs 3g?
It is my understanding that 4g runs on a different frequency band, so has anyone experienced better/poorer signal penetration, such as indoors, or in any other signal-sapping topographies?
What is your experience vs 3g signal penetration in the same area?
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Unfortunately signal penetration is one thing that Sprint and Clear do not ever mention. They don't because it is terrible.
Sprint/Clear WiMax is running at 2500Mhz which is so high that it does not penetrate buildings well at all.
So, if you had your hopes up that you could have WiMax while in your office, you will be greatly disappointed. (Disclaimer: an office with a window will get coverage, but interior offices will likely be out of luck)

I guess no 4G for me at work

cacesasa said:
I guess no 4G for me at work
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so no penetration at work??

Ahhh, right. iDen runs at 800-900 mhz, which is probably why you get great coverage on those older devices.
In my building we use Sprint-provided BDA's to boost our 3g signal to full bars. I've tested and used a Airave device, it works very well, albeit for smaller areas.
If wimax's frequency is higher, can the carrier just broadcast the signal with more juice? My RF knowledge is limited, as you can see.
What is done to overcome this inherent limitation in urban areas? WiMax providers must have an answer...more towers vs 3g?

I have not seen a problem and my office is in a 100 year old brick building. No difference for me inside or outside the building. Could be that we have a strong signal here, but it actually is showing only 1 bar on 4G inside or outside. YMMV.

misticjeff said:
Unfortunately signal penetration is one thing that Sprint and Clear do not ever mention. They don't because it is terrible.
Sprint/Clear WiMax is running at 2500Mhz which is so high that it does not penetrate buildings well at all.
So, if you had your hopes up that you could have WiMax while in your office, you will be greatly disappointed. (Disclaimer: an office with a window will get coverage, but interior offices will likely be out of luck)
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I definitely concur. I have a Clear 4g/3g dongle and unless you are by a window in my "vintage" condo in Chicago, you will hardly get a signal. If you switch to 3G you get full bars. Sprint and Clear make little if any mention of this but it is a point to consider.
Please note that 4G towers, in my experience, don't do tower to tower handoffs. It seems like it just drops when out of range and searches(battery drain) for another 4g. If unsuccessful, it will scan for 3G. All being said, it is not a seamless experience

Hmmm...makes me wonder: will Verizon/AT&T 4g have the same issue?
If this is the future of wireless broadband, something seems to be missing here...

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Hmmm...makes me wonder: will Verizon/AT&T 4g have the same issue?
If this is the future of wireless broadband, something seems to be missing here...
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Verizon & AT&T is using 700 MHz for 4G/LTE that was vacated by the DTV transition.
Cheers,
Kermee

I have pretty decent 4g coverage outside my office, but inside it drops to 0-1 bars. Indoor 3g is at the other end of the spectrum. Though I don't know where the towers are.

jijijji penetration

another question, how far is the coverage from a tower typically? for instance, im in the pittsburgh area and 4g is coming here soon. will the coverage stretch into a 40 mile radius from the city or will the range be much smaller? i'm just wondering when they say its coming to my area will suburbs of the city 40 miles away or so still be covered.

SteveChiller said:
so no penetration at work??
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LMAO I <3 you
i'd be happy to get 4G at all, quit your whining people.
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another question, how far is the coverage from a tower typically? for instance, im in the pittsburgh area and 4g is coming here soon. will the coverage stretch into a 40 mile radius from the city or will the range be much smaller? i'm just wondering when they say its coming to my area will suburbs of the city 40 miles away or so still be covered.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Maybe that will help.

Im a technician for Clear. Our freq. for our towers is anywhere from 2.4 to 2.6ghz, that being said our signal does not penetrate well through buildings the further you are away from a tower, think .5 miles far. thats the coverage on a tower in the DFW area. DFW is different because we already had to use most of sprints towers that are around 75ft high in most cases and because of that we have to deal with untypical azmuths. we here are also using different equipment that is not the same as other markets here but i can tell you in this area if your more than .5 miles out from a tower, your pretty much screwed. the main things that have a problem with our signal is energy efficient windows and barriers. if you have any questions feel free to PM me.

I work at NASA (southeast area of Houston) and picked up my EVO this morning. Our buildings on site have always sucked in terms of cell coverage, and 4G doesn't seem to make any difference. I get spotty 3G/EVDO coverage at best at my desk, and zero 4G. Outside though the 4G goes up to full bars pretty quick. It's very nice and speedy.
I'm absolutely loving this device so far. Everyone I've handed it to has the same initial comment... "Wow this screen is huge!" The responsiveness is amazing so far. It operates like I wished all my previous phones had.
The facebook syncing is a little strange... I had to turn that off. It was overriding some of my contacts' pictures that I had set for them in my google account.

Building penetration on the wimax is somewhat limited, it shouldnt be a problem in your house, but as for office buildings and warehouse buildings it can cause singnal problems. i get 1.5mb at my house, which is blocked by a courthouse/cityhall building, going on the other side of that building i get 8mb easy. those numbers were on my USB modem. On my evo i got about 450 kb on 3g and cant find a 4g signal at all. im going to guess the 4g antenna is smaller than in my usb modem, but i havent tested the 4G outside of my house yet, so i have not actually got any 4g signal to my phone.

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I work at NASA (southeast area of Houston) and picked up my EVO this morning. Our buildings on site have always sucked in terms of cell coverage, and 4G doesn't seem to make any difference. I get spotty 3G/EVDO coverage at best at my desk, and zero 4G. Outside though the 4G goes up to full bars pretty quick. It's very nice and speedy.
I'm absolutely loving this device so far. Everyone I've handed it to has the same initial comment... "Wow this screen is huge!" The responsiveness is amazing so far. It operates like I wished all my previous phones had.
The facebook syncing is a little strange... I had to turn that off. It was overriding some of my contacts' pictures that I had set for them in my google account.
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Sup my NASA brother...
I get about 1-2 bars of 4G at NASA Ames outside, but nothing in my building. Then again... 3G and 1x are horrible here on base for every carrier. I usually put my phone in airplane mode as soon as I come on base just to save it...

I was just talking about this in a thread i made for DC
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695057
Im on the 11th floor of a 12 story building in DC 2 blocks form the white house and 4g goes in and out, if it does its on the lowest.
I was outside a moment ago with full 4g and i only got 864kb down and like 1020kb up.
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I get about 1 bar of 4G coverage at my desk at Starbucks HQ. It's near the window though, so that's probably why. If I move further into the building it drops, and even further in I can barely get 3G.
But I'm coming from T-Mobile with its high-frequency 3G, so it's not much of a change for me.

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Im a technician for Clear. Our freq. for our towers is anywhere from 2.4 to 2.6ghz, that being said our signal does not penetrate well through buildings the further you are away from a tower, think .5 miles far. thats the coverage on a tower in the DFW area. DFW is different because we already had to use most of sprints towers that are around 75ft high in most cases and because of that we have to deal with untypical azmuths. we here are also using different equipment that is not the same as other markets here but i can tell you in this area if your more than .5 miles out from a tower, your pretty much screwed. the main things that have a problem with our signal is energy efficient windows and barriers. if you have any questions feel free to PM me.
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According to this article, the next phases of development & the WiMax technologies is to provide indoor coverage through various remediations & that the initial coverage for WiMax was always for the inexpensive development of outdoor mobile data throughput & coverage first.
http://www.huawei.com/publications/view.do?id=5857&cid=10809&pid=61

4G Speed

Whats your fastest 4g speed ?
I clocked mine in today at 637 on 4g and 1991 on 3g.... its disappointing....
please post yours

Around three our four mbs
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I see you're in Vegas. WiMAX is inconsistent here. It's fast where & when aren't many using the network and you have a good signal, which in our suburbs isn't easy to come by.
Try the 4G out on Blue Diamond near Dean Martin, where it's mostly flatland and probably 500 houses+the shopping center. The WiMAX tower is in the parking lot.
If you had a T-Mobile 3G phone, it's going to be more consistent speed-wise with less fluctuation. Vegas is almost completely HSPA+

4g isnt working properly right now. Everyone around the US, even in 4g areas, are all reporting terrible 4g network speeds.
Try to call Sprint and ask what the problem is, if it really bothers you, make a big deal out of it and sprint will probably offer something to make you a little happier (maybe).

Jus10o said:
4g isnt working properly right now. Everyone around the US, even in 4g areas, are all reporting terrible 4g network speeds.
Try to call Sprint and ask what the problem is, if it really bothers you, make a big deal out of it and sprint will probably offer something to make you a little happier (maybe).
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It's either congestion or it really just is that slow, here it really is just that slow. The EVO might have slowed things down more, but the 4G network not working properly sounds like an excuse for the influx of data with the network not being able to handle it and not a real reason. There are probably tower outages and stuff occurring but nothing like that can affect the network nationwide. If it was nationwide no one would be able to use 4G.

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It's either congestion or it really just is that slow, here it really is just that slow. The EVO might have slowed things down more, but the 4G network not working properly sounds like an excuse for the influx of data with the network not being able to handle it and not a real reason. There are probably tower outages and stuff occurring but nothing like that can affect the network nationwide. If it was nationwide no one would be able to use 4G.
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I wasnt using that as an excuse why its not working. But there is something definitely going on. Could be from so many people trying to use it. But you would think sprint anticipated that.

I guess its just that slow. I thought 4g would be on the same page as clearwire since I was thinking that its also on the same network as Sprint. CLEARWIRE in my area is clocking in at 2700 to 3200 and correct me if I am wrong but isn't CLEARWIRE owned by Sprint and running on 4g WIMAX as well ?
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I guess its just that slow. I thought 4g would be on the same page as clearwire since I was thinking that its also on the same network as Sprint. CLEARWIRE in my area is clocking in at 2700 to 3200 and correct me if I am wrong but isn't CLEARWIRE owned by Sprint and running on 4g WIMAX as well ?
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It's probably either a: poor signal quality with the Evo or b:Sprint is prioritizing the HTC Evo and giving it lower speed. If you're getting faster speed with your Clearwire stick that's really the only two things it could be. How many bars are you getting with your HTC Evo vs your Clearwire stick?

I'm getting full scale on my CLEARWIRE while I am getting 1 bar on 4g.
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I'm getting full scale on my CLEARWIRE while I am getting 1 bar on 4g.
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I'm sure I don't have to tell you that with WiMAX, if your signal is poor your speeds will slow too and that's likely to be the cause of your slow speed with the HTC Evo. So it's the phones reception and not the network in this case.

This is really disturbing. I did some extensive testing today in 3 areas roughly 20-30 miles apart. Two of the areas had 4G coverage and 1 did not.
For the carrier, I have both Sprint (recent) and TMobile (2 years). For the hardware I used the new Sprint Evo 4G and for Tmobile I used a 1 month old HTC HD2...so both top of the line phones.
The Tmobile phone (HD2) had consistent data rates no matter where I was or how many signal bars I had. I had flashed a stock rom back into the phone so both units are running stock. The stock rom only showed 3G as the data connection and not the "H" that 3rd party roms sometimes show for HSDPA. The HD2 consistently downloaded at anywhere between 1.3 and 1.8kbps. The uploads were also consistenly above 1.2kbps and never dropped below that point, although a few tests were slightly faster.
The Evo 4G was tested both with and without 4G being present. When 4G was present, the signal varied wildly between no actual bars showing (but the 4G icon present) to full bars (3). The speed when 4G was available was all over the place...from 450-1.8kbps. I believe that sprint has capped the uploads at 1.0kbps, but the 4G uploads never even made it close. The fastest upload speeds I showed with 3 full bars of 4G were only 700kbps, with most in the 400-600kbps range. When I switched off 4G (in a 4G area) or simply drove to an area with no 4G, my uploads remained at roughly the same speed, but my downloads plummeted to 400-600kbps.
I also verified that there was no ability to talk and use data at the same time if not in a 4G area and have 4G enabled. The most disturbing thing I found was that if I was on a phone call (in a 4G area) without the 4G enabled...then turned it on (while still on phone call), most times it could not find the 4G signal.
Please keep in mind that I also use Clear WiMax for home internet and some of these tests were run only a few feet away from my home receiver. I have 5 bars on my home receiver. There is a 4G wimax tower less than a mile to the south of me and another just over a mile to the east of me, so I am wedged between 2 fairly close towers and should have had excellent reception in that area. The Evo would switch between no bars and 3 bars simply by walking around my room or standing in one spot and rotating my body towards and away from the window. I performed the tests near a window and outside. When inside, I was standing near a window on a 2nd story, so I was above most other homes and obstacles. Should be a best case scenario for the phone...to say the least, I was NOT impressed. Hopefully this is simply a network or firmware issue and can be resolved before my 30 days elapse or this phone is going back. otherwise I can't fault it...love the hardware...hate the 4G hype if it can't be fixed.

IMHO, it's a handheld.. the antenna is not nearly as big as the one in your Home modem. So a new radio might help but it will never be close to what you get with your Moto Home Modem.... is your area one of the cities mentioned going HSPA+ for T-Mobile?

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IMHO, it's a handheld.. the antenna is not nearly as big as the one in your Home modem. So a new radio might help but it will never be close to what you get with your Moto Home Modem.... is your area one of the cities mentioned going HSPA+ for T-Mobile?
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I have no idea if I'm in one of the areas for the HSPA+. I live in Dallas, TX. We have 4G coverage from Dallas to Mesquite to Garland, so a fairly large area. As for Tmobile, I also have a G1, Touchpro 2 and the HD2. All of those phones have a faster transfer rate (3G) than my Evo (in 4G mode). As for the home modem, I am aware that the unit has a much larger antenna and don't expect the phone to perform in the same class. I referenced that for comparison to anyone else having the same home internet service. Clear tells customers that they should get mostly full speeds with 3 bars present, so I was letting readers know that I am in a 5 bar area, so there was a very solid signal for my testing.

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I have no idea if it's one of the areas. I live in Dallas, TX. We have 4G coverage from Dallas to Mesquite to Garland, so a fairly large area. As for Tmobile, I also have a G1, Touchpro 2 and the HD2. All of those phones have a faster transfer rate (3G) than my Evo. As for the home modem, I am aware that the unit has a much larger antenna. I referenced that for comparison to anyone else having the same home internet service. Clear tells customers that they should get mostly full speeds with 3 bars present, so I was letting readers know that I am in a 5 bar area so should have a very solid signal.
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Right I understand, I experienced the same with the HTC Evo. Signal strength just isn't very strong with the phone right now, and 4G is extremely reliant on signal quality.

Lets hope that this is something that will be fixed since 4g is in its infant stages. It was just a disappointment when I clocked my Evo against my wifes Nexus 1, i was certain that I would blow her download speeds away and instead I was the one that was blown away. The wife laughed at me.

boomer30 said:
Lets hope that this is something that will be fixed since 4g is in its infant stages. It was just a disappointment when I clocked my Evo against my wifes Nexus 1, i was certain that I would blow her download speeds away and instead I was the one that was blown away. The wife laughed at me.
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It's really not even the network from what it sounds, it sounds like it's the phone. I too get faster speeds with other 4G devices. 4G has been here for nearly a year.
Your wife has the N1 on T-Mobile? T-Mobile HSPA+ is active in most of Vegas, but the upgrade isn't complete yet. Either way the network is really fast here now. It used to be really slow.

its fine here in south jersey near philly. getting 3-4Mbps on 4g. not as good at my house... as soon as i get 1 minute from my house it drops back to 3g and only 400-650kbps. 3g a minute or so away from my house was getting 1-1.5Mbps. no complaints cause at my house i just turn on wifi

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Antagonistt said:
This is really disturbing. I did some extensive testing today in 3 areas roughly 20-30 miles apart. Two of the areas had 4G coverage and 1 did not.
For the carrier, I have both Sprint (recent) and TMobile (2 years). For the hardware I used the new Sprint Evo 4G and for Tmobile I used a 1 month old HTC HD2...so both top of the line phones.
The Tmobile phone (HD2) had consistent data rates no matter where I was or how many signal bars I had. I had flashed a stock rom back into the phone so both units are running stock. The stock rom only showed 3G as the data connection and not the "H" that 3rd party roms sometimes show for HSDPA. The HD2 consistently downloaded at anywhere between 1.3 and 1.8kbps. The uploads were also consistenly above 1.2kbps and never dropped below that point, although a few tests were slightly faster.
The Evo 4G was tested both with and without 4G being present. When 4G was present, the signal varied wildly between no actual bars showing (but the 4G icon present) to full bars (3). The speed when 4G was available was all over the place...from 450-1.8kbps. I believe that sprint has capped the uploads at 1.0kbps, but the 4G uploads never even made it close. The fastest upload speeds I showed with 3 full bars of 4G were only 700kbps, with most in the 400-600kbps range. When I switched off 4G (in a 4G area) or simply drove to an area with no 4G, my uploads remained at roughly the same speed, but my downloads plummeted to 400-600kbps.
I also verified that there was no ability to talk and use data at the same time if not in a 4G area and have 4G enabled. The most disturbing thing I found was that if I was on a phone call (in a 4G area) without the 4G enabled...then turned it on (while still on phone call), most times it could not find the 4G signal.
Please keep in mind that I also use Clear WiMax for home internet and some of these tests were run only a few feet away from my home receiver. I have 5 bars on my home receiver. There is a 4G wimax tower less than a mile to the south of me and another just over a mile to the east of me, so I am wedged between 2 fairly close towers and should have had excellent reception in that area. The Evo would switch between no bars and 3 bars simply by walking around my room or standing in one spot and rotating my body towards and away from the window. I performed the tests near a window and outside. When inside, I was standing near a window on a 2nd story, so I was above most other homes and obstacles. Should be a best case scenario for the phone...to say the least, I was NOT impressed. Hopefully this is simply a network or firmware issue and can be resolved before my 30 days elapse or this phone is going back. otherwise I can't fault it...love the hardware...hate the 4G hype if it can't be fixed.
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1 kbp/s? My phone line is 56 times faster

"Antenna" issue is truly software related

Okay, I've had my phone for a day or two and right off the bat I noticed that even though the phone had no bars of coverage, I actually had coverage and a good enough signal to boot.
I then found myself on XDA reading up on how to lock 3G since the old Nexus One/myTouch etc. trick doesn't work on the Vibrant.
I then came across someones post that leads us to a hidden menu
This menu has a wealth of information that, most of it I can decipher BUT I did find this lovely menu that lead me to the Vibrant's TRUE -dBm reading. The bars are WRONG, the Phone Information Testing menu is WRONG, and the phone has reception that is on par with the Motorola CLIQ I replaced it with. After -103 or so dBm, this shows as NO coverage (0 bars).
Here are the steps for those of us unfamiliar with it.
from i9000 FAQ said:
To get to the DEBUG and Phone status information -
*#*#197328640#*#*
Then select DEBUG screen
Then select BASIC INFORMATION
and the RSSI readout shows true -dBm
I suspected this yesterday but I wanted to be sure it wasn't a placebo effect kicking in.. explains everything really. We don't have -0dBm and this is proof.
During an active call, hit +Add call and punch in this number to bring up the menu. Store it as a contact also
(*#*#197328640#*#, add a contact like Field Test Mode, then go back and add the *, go back to the dialer and punch in *#* and it should bring this up.. select and you're on your way)
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I want to note that the G1 doesn't "drop" 3G as much because the antenna is at the top (you'll see it when you take off the battery cover) so it has an easier time grabbing a signal because your hand isn't attenuating the signal. Do the same for the Vibrant or any other phone and you'll see your bars jump.
Final word: Good reception. Better than Samsung's of the past. I noticed that when I went to a few key locations and maintained a signal where my previous Samsung's fell off the cellular grid.

I bet it'll be fixed when they release 2.2 if they don't do it immediately, hopefully anyways.

Thanks for the info! I think you are right that the software isn't getting the real readings.

Definetly software I have speeds also when my bars drop if they even do when I'm in a poor signal area....... I love this phone.....

-100 under the RSSI readout is where the bars go to zero it seems. I had to get it just right though. Normally have 1 or 2 bars with the Vibrant.
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I'm experiencing issues with the 3G signal dropping if I even touch the phone. If I switch to EDGE-only, I find it's impossible for me to lose any bars. Same on my 2G iPhone (no signal loss on 2G).
Of course, this begs the question of how the 'bars' are measured. But it would appear as if the 3G reception is not stellar on the Vibrant. When I'm not touching the device, I can reach -91dBm. When the device is held, it immediately jumps to -111 and gives me a reading of zero bars.

Jon C said:
I'm experiencing issues with the 3G signal dropping if I even touch the phone. If I switch to EDGE-only, I find it's impossible for me to lose any bars. Same on my 2G iPhone (no signal loss on 2G).
Of course, this begs the question of how the 'bars' are measured. But it would appear as if the 3G reception is not stellar on the Vibrant. When I'm not touching the device, I can reach -91dBm. When the device is held, it immediately jumps to -111 and gives me a reading of zero bars.
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For me its on par with the nexus one except the n1 would drop to edge much quicker.although the vibrant drops bars sometimes the speeds are the same and call quality sounds just fine.i think its just reading wrong like OP says... No issue for me.sometimes I can't even get one bar to drop.

Again, as with the N1, it's hard to tell if this is a carrier issue or a hardware issue. T-Mo's 3G network is by no means up-to-par with their 2G network. But in my area, 3G is marked as 'Best' on their maps. This makes sense, considering I live in T-Mo's headquarters coverage, with HSDPA+.
But even with all of this coverage, I am getting 0-2 bars on 3G, max. This bothers me.

Jon C said:
Again, as with the N1, it's hard to tell if this is a carrier issue or a hardware issue. T-Mo's 3G network is by no means up-to-par with their 2G network. But in my area, 3G is marked as 'Best' on their maps. This makes sense, considering I live in T-Mo's headquarters coverage, with HSDPA+.
But even with all of this coverage, I am getting 0-2 bars on 3G, max. This bothers me.
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It's not hard to tell at all, go under the service menu and check your signal strength.. the proof is right there. How can anyone be unsure when I took screenshots of my Vibrant, in an active call - showing no bars of coverage - -0dBm (no service) and then under the service menu it says I have -105 dBm of signal strength and It was usually much higher than that. I had to illustrate my point though. -111dBm under the Phone Info menu is like -98dBm under the Service Menu.

I understand what you're saying, but, I'm getting "signal lost, retry?" pop-ups when holding the phone while 3G is on.
So it would seem it's not just a software misread of signal-to-bars?

Jon C said:
I understand what you're saying, but, I'm getting "signal lost, retry?" pop-ups when holding the phone while 3G is on.
So it would seem it's not just a software misread of signal-to-bars?
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That has nothing to do with signal, as I can get that with plenty of bars, or on wifi... That is something else that has popped up for people (especially in the market)...
but any way, on 3g with zero bars I am actually getting slightly faster D/L speeds than I did with my g1 (probably upload too but I don't remember what I used to be getting)
Went from low to mid 600s up to right around 800 (or 790 up to 850)

I think the software explanation is completely bogus.
It might be true that the phone doesn't report the signal correctly. But the fact that as soon as you hold the phone, the signal changes, implies that this is not a software issue at all. Your phone's software has no way of knowing if a hand is touching it or not. The only thing the phone know is that the signal strength is changing which is a physical effect, not a software effect.
I did multiple tests using the network speed test applications and all showed that the phone's signal was significantly affected by me naturally holding the phone.
For example
If I held the phone awkwardly so that I didn't cover up the antenna at all I got these results:
Download: 736kbps
Upload: 720kbps
holding naturally:
Download: 133kbps
upload: 3kbps
I've repeated this test multiple times and always get very similar results. There has not been a single instance where holding the phone naturally got me anywhere near the same up and down rates.
So, case in point, this is not a software issue, this is a bad placement issue.

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I think the software explanation is completely bogus.
It might be true that the phone doesn't report the signal correctly. But the fact that as soon as you hold the phone, the signal changes, implies that this is not a software issue at all. Your phone's software has no way of knowing if a hand is touching it or not. The only thing the phone know is that the signal strength is changing which is a physical effect, not a software effect.
I did multiple tests using the network speed test applications and all showed that the phone's signal was significantly affected by me naturally holding the phone.
For example
If I held the phone awkwardly so that I didn't cover up the antenna at all I got these results:
Download: 736kbps
Upload: 720kbps
holding naturally:
Download: 133kbps
upload: 3kbps
I've repeated this test multiple times and always get very similar results. There has not been a single instance where holding the phone naturally got me anywhere near the same uOpp and down rates.
So, case in point, this is not a software issue, this is a bad placement issue.
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I think we all get it is losing some signal, all phones will when your covering the antenna in a not so great of coverage area... I think were getting at that its reading wrong when it does drop. Where as instead of just losing one or two bars its showing full signal loss, but that can't be totally accurate because of still getting good speeds and calls not dropping...
Yes it loses some signal but not as much as I think the readings make it out to be....

temperbad said:
I think we all get it is losing some signal, all phones will when your covering the antenna in a not so great of coverage area... I think were getting at that its reading wrong when it does drop. Where as instead of just losing one or two bars its showing full signal loss, but that can't be totally accurate because of still getting good speeds and calls not dropping...
Yes it loses some signal but not as much as I think the readings make it out to be....
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Fair enough, I guess we are sort of talking to different points, but that doesn't change the fact that my upload and download speeds are absolutely dismal when I hold the phone naturally. No matter what they change in the software, this won't get fixed and the antenna issue is still a problem. I wouldn't care if the signal dropped a bit, but the extent that it does affect me is enough to make me want to return the phone. I mean did you see the difference in my upload and download rates? It was between 5.5x to 240x worse when I held the phone naturally. That is pretty terrible, especially when I compare it to my G1 (which had a far superior spot for the antenna in my opinion).

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Fair enough, I guess we are sort of talking to different points, but that doesn't change the fact that my upload and download speeds are absolutely dismal when I hold the phone naturally. No matter what they change in the software, this won't get fixed and the antenna issue is still a problem. I wouldn't care if the signal dropped a bit, but the extent that it does affect me is enough to make me want to return the phone. I mean did you see the difference in my upload and download rates? It was between 5.5x to 240x worse when I held the phone naturally. That is pretty terrible, especially when I compare it to my G1 (which had a far superior spot for the antenna in my opinion).
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I lose some speeds but not as bad as you... Being in a real strong signal I can't even make the bar drop one...
I do agree the antenna is in a bad spot just like is was on the n1.. I saw a video before I got mine and was pretty sure it was also gonna be at the bottom and sure enough it was ....
Edit: I got so used to holding the n1 at the top so much that this don't even bug me...although I believe the body even shields some signal since its basically aiming at your body...

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Fair enough, I guess we are sort of talking to different points, but that doesn't change the fact that my upload and download speeds are absolutely dismal when I hold the phone naturally. No matter what they change in the software, this won't get fixed and the antenna issue is still a problem. I wouldn't care if the signal dropped a bit, but the extent that it does affect me is enough to make me want to return the phone. I mean did you see the difference in my upload and download rates? It was between 5.5x to 240x worse when I held the phone naturally. That is pretty terrible, especially when I compare it to my G1 (which had a far superior spot for the antenna in my opinion).
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These are two completely different and separate issues.

0db would actually be crazy awesome signal. Not "no signal" as previously mentioned. That this phone is saying 0db is "no signal" is obviously a glitch.

I ran the speed test both ways and got much faster download speeds with zero bars and my hand covering the antenna than when holding it at the top and full bars
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I hope that it is. It annoys me that my mom's 30 dollar phone gets full bars while this 500 dollar phone drops to one or two.

Noticeable difference with 5G McLaren on T-Mobile?

For over a year, I've had pretty much no service but I didn't want to give up my awesome JUMP1. So I've been paying for T-Mobile and AT&T.
Ordered the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren today. I'm hoping this will help as they told me that 5G is available in my area.
Has your service improved?
Note: I'm right outside San Antonio Texas.
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For me i was getting 4gLte with Note 10 plus in my area around 20mbps now with the 5g i get 30 to 40 mgps. Not sure about the coverage i don't travel alot but the speed improved

MariuszS1985 said:
For me i was getting 4gLte with Note 10 plus in my area around 20mbps now with the 5g i get 30 to 40 mgps. Not sure about the coverage i don't travel alot but the speed improved
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Thanks, I'm not worried about speed but it sure would be nice to not see "No service" each time a cloud passes. *Sigh*
That's good speeds!
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Where I am I do get better coverage in places where my signal was extremely weak

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Where I am I do get better coverage in places where my signal was extremely weak
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I'm optimistic now. Thanks!
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Found one in store. It's a no go.
Well, I tried.
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For me i was getting 4gLte with Note 10 plus in my area around 20mbps now with the 5g i get 30 to 40 mgps. Not sure about the coverage i don't travel alot but the speed improved
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I get 100/20mbps down/up on T-Mobile in the Bay area on an s9+ depending on my location. Even when I'm in my house with bad l4g connection I get 60/15mbps down/up

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Found one in store. It's a no go.
Well, I tried.
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Remember 5g is finicky.. In the VA here in west palm fl.i get blazing 5g 609mhz inside the giant concrete, VA. However I can turn down a corridor and it goes away... I'd say try the phone at your house and areas you frequent.. I have found that even in some here that have ZERO 4g lye signal 5g is blazing... .

The store models don't have it working for some reason. At least that's the story I got from a store rep. And it seems to match. That same store with my phone and SIM has 5G signals. The demo model does not. Perhaps something special about the SIM they used for the demos. Same thing with the S20s and N10-5G they have on display.
The 5G signal is on 700Mhz right now, and coverage into buildings and such seems better overall in my area. It's not really faster for me, but does get better coverage. Once they are able to start using the Sprint bandwidth, it should improve speeds.
Maybe 600Mhz? I might have that mixed up.

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The store models don't have it working for some reason. At least that's the story I got from a store rep. And it seems to match. That same store with my phone and SIM has 5G signals. The demo model does not. Perhaps something special about the SIM they used for the demos. Same thing with the S20s and N10-5G they have on display.
The 5G signal is on 700Mhz right now, and coverage into buildings and such seems better overall in my area. It's not really faster for me, but does get better coverage. Once they are able to start using the Sprint bandwidth, it should improve speeds.
Maybe 600Mhz? I might have that mixed up.
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I help install 5G around the country, and they're sending us out a TON now because they're pushing to get 5G installed on the smaller towers right now, so it wouldn't surprise me if we see expansion happening sooner rather than later

They have put 5g on other bands now just got the may update look on my screenshot

5g is not ready for deployment. having 5g active on your phone causes significant battery drain. you will sometimes see a speed/latency improvement and other times it will be worse than LTE. i turned it off on my device and switched to ATT where the speeds are consistently better, overall.
really badass phone, though. no complaints about that.

First, let me say, just because the phone displays 5G doesn't mean you are actually connected to 5G. It displaying 5G means it is connected via LTE to a tower that supports 5G -- but not necessarily connected to the secondary 5G radio frequencies. The speedtest app is great, it actually shows if you are connected via 4G LTE vs real 5G. One hint that it is actually connected to 5G is the signal strength will generally drop (from when it shows 5G but is only actually connected via LTE) and when the 5G connection is actually made. When connected to Wifi, the 5G connection is dropped and radio turned off to save power. There are two radios in our devices. The internal LTE modem in the SoC and an external 5G modem. Unlike the new OP8 phones, the OP7TProNA can only connect to 5G as a secondary connection -- it must be connected to LTE first -- always. And the data speeds from LTE and 5G cannot be combined. It's one or the other, which can present some problems (read below).
Anyway, on to my results. LTE seems more stable overall (very slightly lower ping and jitter) vs 5G. But low-band 600Mhz 5G can definitely pull in some pretty fast speeds (our phone already supports n71 (which is all that is in use for 5G currently unless you are in phili or nyc) and n41 (the coming midband 2500mhz from Sprint where the real speed will be, only in nyc and phili as of now). And with the latest update, TMobile enabled 5G support of bands n2 and n66 -- Tmobile's own mid-band frequencies currently used for LTE which will eventually be used for 5G).
Results finally? LTE more stable -- always between 40/10 and 80/12 mbps. Low Band 5G (n71, 600MHz) -- I've gotten as high as 145/25 mbps and as low as 5/5 in the exact same spot. Average around 80/15 mbps.
So it really depends on location and towers. What towers can you hit? How much have they been upgraded? The giant discrepancy in 5G speeds at my location in my case is due to phone locking onto one tower instead of a second. Both approx same distance away, same approx signal strength, both are real 5G, but 145/25mbps vs 5/5 mbps. You can see the vast difference in performance. I'm assuming one is overloaded or isn't fiber fed.
Lastly, I have not noticed ANY increased battery drain on 5G.
Low band 5G is made simply for distance while keeping LTE speeds. It's broadcast on the same 600Mhz frequency that used to be used for analog UHF TV. So it can work up to 10 miles from the tower. Eventually this will be mainly for rural areas. Midband 5G will overlap lowband 5G in cities once turned on and that's when the big increase of speed will come. But it was extremely quick and easy for them to convert almost all LTE towers into lowband 5G towers. Alot more work is required to get 5G operational on the midband.
5G service just really isn't ready for primetime yet imo because of tower issues like the one above. But your phone is ready for whenever it is (when Tmobile midband 5G goes activate across the country, probably 2021 or 2022). It now officlially supports 5G on n2, n5, n41, n66, and n71 (all low and mid band 5G frequencies that will be used in the US, you can ignore n5 unless you live in one very specific part of Florida). It doesn't support umWave, but who cares about "insane" speeds if it only works outside, while walking, while in direct line of sight of the tower. That's nothing but a gimmick. But in the next year or two while TMobile continues adding/upgrading more 5G 600Mhz towers, but more importantly starts using midband frequencies for 5G across the country, that's when the speeds will pick up...dramatically on midband. 500mbps+ easy. On the same phone. So just be patient. The phone is ready, the network not so much

The OP8 can absolutely not do standalone 5G yet on a live network. It's in the same boat as the McLaren. LTE anchor is required.
And yes, the McLaren can do standalone just like the OP8 once T-Mobile is ready.

LLStarks said:
The OP8 can absolutely not do standalone 5G yet on a live network. It's in the same boat as the McLaren. LTE anchor is required.
And yes, the McLaren can do standalone just like the OP8 once T-Mobile is ready.
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The op8 has the snapdragon 865. It can do standalone 5g. It can also combine and use LTE and 5G bandwidth/speeds at the same time. Not only one or the other.
The x50 modem with the sd 855+ in the 5g McLaren doesn't support any of that.
That is the difference between the two phones: a x50 modem vs a x55 modem. Clearly there are some differences.
With the latest .35 T-Mobile update, the McLaren now supports (they enabled) all the same 5G bands. It just can't do standalone 5g and it can't combine LTE and 5g bandwidth. Those are hardware limitations of the x50 modem which were added on the x55.
Edit;. To be clear, I'm referring to the op8 available from OnePlus. Not sure what changes/limitations TMobile put on the one they are selling. Only got this cause there is no non-TMobile version

starcms said:
The op8 has the snapdragon 865. It can do standalone 5g. It can also combine and use LTE and 5G bandwidth/speeds at the same time. Not only one or the other.
The x50 modem with the sd 855+ in the 5g McLaren doesn't support any of that.
That is the difference between the two phones: a x50 modem vs a x55 modem. Clearly there are some differences.
With the latest .35 T-Mobile update, the McLaren now supports (they enabled) all the same 5G bands. It just can't do standalone 5g and it can't combine LTE and 5g bandwidth. Those are hardware limitations of the x50 modem which were added on the x55.
Edit;. To be clear, I'm referring to the op8 available from OnePlus. Not sure what changes/limitations TMobile put on the one they are selling. Only got this cause there is no non-TMobile version
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appears to have the x55 modem
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7t-pro-mclaren-edition-5g-t-mobile/
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/...on-does-it-have-snapdragon-x50-modem.1168939/

norwoodesteel said:
appears to have the x55 modem
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7t-pro-mclaren-edition-5g-t-mobile/
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/...on-does-it-have-snapdragon-x50-modem.1168939/
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Appears you shouldn't believe everything you read online...
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-855-plus-mobile-platform
Around the middle of the page at the top of the specs list. Behold!

starcms said:
Appears you shouldn't believe everything you read online...
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-855-plus-mobile-platform
Around the middle of the page at the top of the specs list. Behold!
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I'm familiar with that web page. If I'm correct, that does not apply to the T-mobile version they got a special x55 chip.
https://www.speedtest.net/insights/blog/t-mobile-merger-sprint-changing-5g/
Nowhere have I seen the t-mobile version with the x50 modem.

norwoodesteel said:
I'm familiar with that web page. If I'm correct, that does not apply to the T-mobile version they got a special x55 chip.
https://www.speedtest.net/insights/blog/t-mobile-merger-sprint-changing-5g/
Nowhere have I seen the t-mobile version with the x50 modem.
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The x55 radio is not compatible with the snapdragon 855 or 855+ (or any SoC older than the snapdragon 865). The two cannot be used together. With a snapdragon 855+, the ONLY option for 5G is the X50.

https://www.oneplus.com/7t-pro-mclaren?from=7t-pro-mclaren
one plus says x55