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[Q] Expecting a port of this OS on my Nexus 4. Do You ?

Jolla released it's Sailfish OS SDK some time ago and I'm expecting it to be ported on my Phone. Is anyone here to do this ?

iHarkunwar said:
Jolla released it's Sailfish OS SDK some time ago and I'm expecting it to be ported on my Phone. Is anyone here to do this ?
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I'm not really good at porting, but it should be easy. The 3 problems are
kernel
HW accel with GPU
Touchscreen
The first one is really easy since if you cannot run a Mer stock / customized UI, you can still take Android one.
For the second, it is the trickiest, but you can still use mesa-llvmpipe (no HW accel, but only software)
For the thirst point, it is up to the screen manufacturer. Some provides linux drivers, some do not. But for Android, it might be highly probable that a driver is provided.

sfiet_konstantin said:
I'm not really good at porting, but it should be easy. The 3 problems are
kernel
HW accel with GPU
Touchscreen
The first one is really easy since if you cannot run a Mer stock / customized UI, you can still take Android one.
For the second, it is the trickiest, but you can still use mesa-llvmpipe (no HW accel, but only software)
For the thirst point, it is up to the screen manufacturer. Some provides linux drivers, some do not. But for Android, it might be highly probable that a driver is provided.
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Nexus 4 is a developer device and I think all required drivers are released

iHarkunwar said:
Nexus 4 is a developer device and I think all required drivers are released
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Released ... for Android.
Because SW architecture are not the same
You need an X11 driver etc.

sad.... :\

iHarkunwar said:
sad.... :\
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We will check if it works. Maybe the support for the HW in the Nexus 4 is good ...
But for the Nexus 7, it is nearly sure that it works. Something similar (Ubuntu) were ported on it ...

Has Google still not been able to release all the source code for the Nexus 4?
Disgusting if so.

sfiet_konstantin said:
We will check if it works. Maybe the support for the HW in the Nexus 4 is good ...
But for the Nexus 7, it is nearly sure that it works. Something similar (Ubuntu) were ported on it ...
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You mean Ubuntu for Tablets? If so then the Nexus 4 should also possibly be able to get a Sailfish port. They release Ubuntu for Phones on the Nexus 4 the same day the UfT port was released for the N7.

Bump.
It's been 9 months since the last post on a Nexus 4 port of SailfishOS. Has someone brought this baby to term? Anyone know if there's an ongoing effort?

There is no sources or devices released. Theres only the x86 based sdk. So what do you can be ported? The x86 sdk to arm cpu? Never. And the Sailfish ui is proprietary so sources wont be released. If you want Mer with the default ui, sources can be downloaded from the Mer-projects website

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVAMGv3tI4

ufoman said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVAMGv3tI4
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That's great news! If I understand correctly he flashed CM and then patches it with libhybris+sailfish. That makes me hope for easy patching to other devices too...
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I want those files right now!
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Looks great

ufoman said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVAMGv3tI4
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Thanks for showing this. It would be nice to see another minute or two to demonstrate how sailfish performs on Nexus. Perhaps this is still at early stages. Are you able to provide instructions and location of files? Thanks again!

mscion said:
Thanks for showing this. It would be nice to see another minute or two to demonstrate how sailfish performs on Nexus. Perhaps this is still at early stages. Are you able to provide instructions and location of files? Thanks again!
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No files or anything else have been made available yet. It might be too early yet, but now any hope we might have had has gained some solid foundations

No news about the port to Nexus 4 ? I can't wait to try it.

ufoman said:
No files or anything else have been made available yet. It might be too early yet, but now any hope we might have had has gained some solid foundations
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I wish they would at least show a demo of how they did it. That way we could try making some progress with other devices awhile

Jolla for Nokia N9?

Any devs planning on porting this to the N9? Since Jolla is based of Meego (I Think?).

l.Urker said:
Any devs planning on porting this to the N9? Since Jolla is based of Meego (I Think?).
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They said that the N9 can be flash on sailfish but there will be no support provide by Jolla.
Plus, you can find some video with the N950 running sailfish. As the N950 have the same hardware as the N9 so it is compatible.

Please do. I heart my n9 so much...
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There'll eventually be a community port of Sailfish*, don't expect it to be very reliable/slick though, there'll be some things that never work properly.
This has all been explained time & time again, I'm not going into the back story as-to-why all this is true, the information is out there.
*not Jolla's flavour, just the stock version of Sailfish, which means it'll be quite bare-bones compared Jolla's Sailfish (initially anyway).

oh thanks for all the replies. my N9 is just collecting dust right now. whats the difference between jolla sailfish and normal one?
Swyped from my M9704

l.Urker said:
oh thanks for all the replies. my N9 is just collecting dust right now. whats the difference between jolla sailfish and normal one?
Swyped from my M9704
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Jolla is the name of the company..
Sailfish is the name of the operating system

Do we have any news on this?

Still now, don't seen any port from Jolla..
even SDK is out..
But I really like to see Jolla port to N9.. :good:

any news about this?
and anyone has stock sailfish on n9?

Chyea!
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Just to clarify things.
There is this company called Jolla. They make this operating system called SailfishOS which in fact is Mer.
So what is Mer? Mer is an operating system without hardware layer and UX. This means it's useless because it won't run on any hardware. You need the hardware layer which means drivers und you probably need the UX which means the GUI. This 3 parts together give you an operating system that you can use on your hardware. An example of this is SailfishOS.
If you take Mer and add the Hardware layer for the Jolla device and then the Sailfish Silica UI you get SailfishOS. The only other iteration of SailfishOS which exists is the one with the hardware layer for the Nokia N950. This will never be released as an official or supported Version.
So for all you guys waiting for a port of SailfishOS for device xyz. This won't happen. There is only one thing that could possible become reality and that's a leaked, unsupported beta image of SailfishOS for the Nokia N950/N9. Maybe this image will be the same which we saw in early demos of SailfishOS.
So the rule is as follows:
Even if you get all the linux drivers (not Android) for Mer so that you could possibly run Mer on your device you still need the UX. Jolla won't give you their Sailfish UI. You could use the Nemo mobile UI that is similar to it but the Sailfish UI will only be available on official Jolla devices.
But let's dream a little bit. If you really get Linux drivers for your device xyz and the Jolla device is out there and it has nearly the same hardware as your device it could be possible that you take all the packages that contain the Sailfish Silica UI and install them on your own device with Mer and your own hardware layer. This is possible in theory. In reality I don't think we will see a usable port that can be your daily driver.

An exchange which should help folks understand why there's no images*: http://pastie.org/private/lgldc4h3dikjkqc9nxecaq
They've said once they have one or more devices shipping, they'll probably start to open Sailfish much more, but not a minute before, for several reasons.
But that doesn't mean they'll also start to support images for 3rd-party devices, they'll probably never do that to the degree Canonical does, see the above.
*original source for that pastie
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1941044&p=48#r950

Jolla will be ported to N9. It won't hava all the functions, that on the Jolla device (for ex. no Voice control...anyway who needs it?), but it will be officially released around september/october 2013. So be patient

Giorgio84 said:
Jolla will be ported to N9. It won't hava all the functions, that on the Jolla device (for ex. no Voice control...anyway who needs it?), but it will be officially released around september/october 2013. So be patient
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For real? or just your wish?

Is there an ETA?
Is there an ETA on when someone could make some early progress on this project? I'm worried that people are losing so much interest that a preview version of Sailfish running on the N9 might be a great idea to get people wanting more of the Meego successor.
That way, people would be falling in love with Sailfish and since it would have a significant spec-bump over the N9, people would be willing to buy it for the screen/display improvement, the "other half," and the great UI.

Giorgio84 said:
Jolla will be ported to N9. It won't hava all the functions, that on the Jolla device (for ex. no Voice control...anyway who needs it?), but it will be officially released around september/october 2013. So be patient
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Do you have any source for this info? Because there is no official announcement that hit my attention.
hacker00740 said:
Is there an ETA on when someone could make some early progress on this project?
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As always "when it's done". Please stop asking for ports. Just wait until Jolla came out with there first device. I'm sure there will be ports and adaptions all over the place once the Software gets in the hands of the right guys. And this community or t.m.o is prbably the first place to know it. But asking for it every second won't let that happen earlier.

Hello friends ..
No new news??
SDK when the operating system was released.
Test video of the operating system on it is N9. Why not port the operating system to handset N9 its wonderful ...
Please help developers...

maxomid said:
Hello friends ..
No new news??
SDK when the operating system was released.
Test video of the operating system on it is N9. Why not port the operating system to handset N9 its wonderful ...
Please help developers...
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The SDK didn't include the full version of the Sailfish OS. It only contains a basic emulator for apps. So until Jolla releases a phone with Sailfish, it is impossible to port
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tbo-art said:
The SDK didn't include the full version of the Sailfish OS. It only contains a basic emulator for apps. So until Jolla releases a phone with Sailfish, it is impossible to port
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Thanks for the answer
Will be released in full when it is SDk?
Why developers do not work on this phone Nitdroid ROM Port ... Time to full Android experience on these phones ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2342102

Hi, i want to share this post from a Jolla engineer giving tips to start porting Sailfish:
I'm pretty sure I phrased it a bit different So, both the N900 and N9 have the problem of having binary blobs, which Jolla is not allowed to distribute, and almost certainly never will be. The N9 additionally has the problem of having an older kernel than the N900 -- old enough that it's starting to cause problems. That's the reason why I probably mentioned N900.
As for Nemo and N9, Nemo is a community followup project of MeeGo, and as such inherited basic N9 hardware adaptation, and the right to redistribute those binary blobs. So, if you as user take a Nemo image and put Jolla stuff in there it works -- but we as Jolla can't do that.
Another problem is that the old N9 adaptation is based on X11, while we are using Wayland. We do have a proof of concept Wayland stack up on N9 (available through Nemo as well), but it has its fair shair of problems.
That we're using Wayland makes your suggestion of porting Sailfish libraries to Harmattan hard as well: Harmattan is an X11 stack (same in the different direction: you can't use a Harmattan binary on Sailfish. If you have the source porting is trivial -- unless it's using meegotouch. But if you only have a binary it won't run. In theory something hacking with xwayland might be possible, but that's pretty crazy, and a sailfish port/rewrite would almost certainly be the better option)
So, it should be pretty clear by now that we will not do N9 images. What needs to happen for community to be able to do the port? Easy: Get involved in Nemo. I mentioned that several times, though so far nobody showed interest.
It's mainly 3 areas that need work:
- finish port to the 3.5 kernel we started. The required tasks are in Nemos Bugzilla
- start fixing bugs in the Wayland proof-of-concept for N9
- reverse engineer hardware components where no driver exists, and do drivers (like GPS)
So, it's a hard task, but not impossible. The Nemo community and Jolla provided a very good starting point with Nemo, now it's up to community members to step up, and continue.
SOURCE: TMO

Jolla Releases Sailfish OS 1.0

The Wait is Over: Jolla Releases Sailfish OS 1.0 and is Now Ready to
Scale up Globally
Not much else to say ATM

aliander said:
The Wait is Over: Jolla Releases Sailfish OS 1.0 and is Now Ready to
Scale up Globally
Not much else to say ATM
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That's great news! However, I am a little bit confused about this sentence: "The Sailfish community has already ported Sailfish OS into several devices including major versions of popular Samsung Galaxy, Google Nexus, and Sony Xperia". I didn't see these ports and I try to keep a look out. Where are they?

Daycrawler said:
That's great news! However, I am a little bit confused about this sentence: "The Sailfish community has already ported Sailfish OS into several devices including major versions of popular Samsung Galaxy, Google Nexus, and Sony Xperia". I didn't see these ports and I try to keep a look out. Where are they?
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Yeah, was wondering quite the same.
Hopefully there will be some more info on that at/after WMC

aliander said:
Yeah, was wondering quite the same.
Hopefully there will be some more info on that at/after WMC
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I obviously hope they know what they're talking about, but it looks like someone was too hasty and wrote this before it actually happened. I'm very excited to see the release and try porting it when it comes out on some Nexus. It would be great if they released a zip from the Nexus 4 build at MWC.
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Daycrawler said:
I obviously hope they know what they're talking about, but it looks like someone was too hasty and wrote this before it actually happened. I'm very excited to see the release and try porting it when it comes out on some Nexus. It would be great if they released a zip from the Nexus 4 build at MWC.
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From reading the press release it appears as if they will release the software for said android devices in the latter half of 2014. I would guess that it mostly works (in house and perhaps for "community" of users with close ties to Jolla) but they are not quite there yet. Otherwise it would be available now. I'd also be interested in seeing how their Sailfish Launcher works. Sailfish does multitasking in a different fashion than android. Wonder how they handle that.
I actually decided to buy the Jolla phone. I live in the US and doubt I'll use it as daily drive since the data will be poor. But I don't mind supporting the company. I'd like to see them succeed.

I'm really curious about Sailfish OS and how it feels in your hand.
Sailfish OS downloadable to existing Android devices
Sailfish OS has been developed to be compatible with commonly available Android hardware platforms. Due to this advanced technology, Jolla is introducing the Sailfish OS experience as downloadable software to devices running Android OS. Users can soon start to enjoy the modern, gesture based Sailfish OS in selected Android devices and also renew the lifecycle of their existing older Android devices.
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This will be a good way to give Android users a 'taste' of sailfish without actually committing to it.

Daycrawler said:
That's great news! However, I am a little bit confused about this sentence: "The Sailfish community has already ported Sailfish OS into several devices including major versions of popular Samsung Galaxy, Google Nexus, and Sony Xperia". I didn't see these ports and I try to keep a look out. Where are they?
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Don`t know what do they mean by port to Sony Xperia

Some videos of the Jolla phone at MWC 2014
Here is a "other half" with sensors that makes the Jolla logo light up different colors based on orientation, proximity or flash to alert of a call and you can wave your hand over it to answer with speakerphone or smother it to reject the call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdjL8UYaJ34#t=0
I think this is in Italian showing the angry birds other half
http://youtu.be/8S-DugPlvt8
^He doesn't really show much of the OS let's see if we can find another video that shows some of the new features that are coming with the latest update.
Jolla girl demoing the Jolla (in Finnish I'm assuming). This is the latest version of the OS. You will notice some new features like landscape, tethering, fading screen feedback and lock animation
http://jollasuomi.fi/sailfish-kayttojarjestelma-1-0-4-1-ohijarvi-bongattu-jollassavideo/
Engadget interview with Marc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnB_BXfMreQ#t=66
Phone demo starts at 1:06 so link starts at 1:06
A community member 3d printed and assembled an OLED other half.
http://youtu.be/dLolLNn1WMM
This is the table of other devices running SailFish OS (sounds like Russian to me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxWd20JfcU0#t=51
Also in case you haven't seen the latest Nexus 4 sailfish video.
http://youtu.be/oEsNZdcw_cU

[PETITION FOR NOUGAT]For Sony To Update Xperia Z2 & Z3 To Official Nougat 7.0

The Sony Xperia Z2 and Z3 devices are both amongs one of Sony's best smartphones ever that they has released. By signing this petition, we will all let Sony take action and update our precious Z2 and even Z3 devices to Android Nougat!
But what about Vulkan API support???
Anything is possible, and we will prove to Google and Sony that having the minimum requirements for software to work correctly, is plain garbage, and that Vulkan API can be left out for them, because it's not like the Vulkan API is a necessity for Nougat in order to run correctly.
ANYMORE QUESTIONS WILL BE BROUGHT UP FROM THE COMMENTS ONTO THE OP AND ANSWERED HERE.
SIGN THIS PETITION NOW!: http://bit.ly/2eEwqN5
Thanks!

I Just Want A Stable 7.0 Build For Z2

Man i think this is impossible. Qualcomm completely left the development of the SD800/801 and if Sony update our devices without permission of Google, they will be in a big trouble. To me, this is impossible.

You are totally right Little Snevil. I also think that official update it's impossible because Qualcomm processor.
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Well, MAYBE it is possibile to get android 7.0 on snap 801. Just look http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...coming-soon-geekbench-benchmark-hints-yes.htm

This is sad, but change.org never has been listed by Google or Sony, like happen with z1 and marshmallow, Xperia L and kit kat, Xperia sp and kit kat. The true is Google and Sony never listen to users, only look the sales, and for those is better for him sale the new and forget the old

what i can say in that?

@Brandon Nel
Having a petition is a good idea, and I am not against it.
But there are two questions I would like to raise before proceeding to sign the petition:
1. Our Z3 and Z2 has been released for 24 and 30 months already, this already exceed the normal aftermarket support for Android devices (usually it goes among 18 to 24 months). Although you might say there has been rule breakers recently (for instance the Xperia Z that has almost 36 months of follow up upgrade), but however there are also some far below standard devices (eg Xperia C, which has no android upgrade since release). After all, Qualcomm, Sony and any other companies still have to make money for R&D and make a living, right? So I am thinking that shouldnt we live with what we are having now (AOSP 7.0)?
2. Shouldnt Qualcomm the company you should challenge against? Vulkan and OpenGS are featured in the chipset which is manufactured by QC, not Sony!

We should petition Qualcomm & Google instead of Sony.. Sony tried their best to bring Nougat through their Beta program for Z3.
But due to the lack of chipset updates from Qualcomm and the Vulkan API requirement set by Google, so many devices have been abandoned from the update even though they are fully capable to run N. This includes Z2 & Z3.
So in this case, either Qualcomm has to release update to our chipset or we have to force Google to remove mandatory Vulkan API requirement.

i need to pls make stable nougat..........................

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i need to pls make stable nougat..........................
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//This is purely an opinion, might be treated as sarcasm, but it is an opinion
1. Nougat is bad for me, it is uglier and security is even worse because of getting more strict.
2. It is nearly impossible to push this through, because now you need to actually HAVE that VulkanAPI support in order to get a cert from google to use gapps(Noone will use Vulkan straight away, because of fragmentation, but well, three billion devices run java, now three billion devices will have to run Vulkan as well and if not, they'll die)

Any effort is worthwhile haha. This should be shared in the Z3 forums!

Well, Sony published AOSP for Xperias. This might mean something, maybe they will be able to somehow get that cert.

Did you see this :
Sony is not to blame for leaving the Xperia Z3 off the Android Nougat list
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/3...ng-the-xperia-z3-off-the-android-nougat-list/
All devices with SD 800/801 will not updated to Android N 7.0 , Because of Qulacomm .

Alaa | Google Android said:
Did you see this :
Sony is not to blame for leaving the Xperia Z3 off the Android Nougat list
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/3...ng-the-xperia-z3-off-the-android-nougat-list/
All devices with SD 800/801 will not updated to Android N 7.0 , Because of Qulacomm .
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Not because of Qualcomm, but because of Google. They made Vulkan obligatory for getting certs. No one is going to use it from day one of Nougat anyway, because fragmentation, they want to push APIs, but Nougat isn't like 99% of Android right now. Although it might be handy when it reaches higher shares due to Vulkan's performance.

Security updates over?

I guess we are done for security updates. It has been right at 2 years. Sad thing is, this is still a great little phone. I am not in the mood to root and tinker with issues. I wished there was a stable ROM out there to use. I wished that LineageOS would pick this little jewel up. Oh, well. It has been a good 2 years of a small, but very informative community of X Compact users.
I am still searching for a small phone replacement since Sony does not make small phones anymore. Post here if you have any recommendations.
Cheers!
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I feel you. I think I've said it before on this forum, but I really don't get why there isn't a lineageos build for this phone. Lots of sony xperia phones have official lineageos builds and there even is an unofficial build for this device (so it's not exactly impossible to build).
That being said, I generally prefer omnirom and luckily they are supporting this device. I've been on omnirom 8.1 for ages and haven't encountered a bug yet, so imho it can definitely be considered stable. Right now I'm using a self-built omnirom 9.0 (security patch level 5 november 2018) as a daily driver and for a pre-official build it is already pretty stable. Sony's 'Pie' software binaries (which thankfully they still provide) are still in beta, so coupled with the omnirom team efforts the stability will only increase.
Bottom line for smartphone manufacturers: Just provide what is needed for the open source community to flourish, it'll cost you next to nothing and will pay you back in goodwill many times over.

Next upcoming problem is the lack of support for the Project Treble in Xperia X series devices which at least may cause significant delay in releasing ROMs based the newer Android versions or in the worst case might result in stopping their development as the successor - XZ1 series - supports it. I hope developers will follow the Z5 series path as there already is LineageOS for these. And hopefully some Xiaomi devices path as there are devices which now have unofficial support of the Project Treble.
BTW, we should also thank to the Google for an unwise cycle of releasing new Android version every year which accelerates fragmentation significantly as its main reason seems to be to persuade people to buy newer devices with latest version of Andoid OS on board.
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Lots of sony xperia phones have official lineageos builds and there even is an unofficial build for this device (so it's not exactly impossible to build).
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I suppose more recent Sony smartphones have been sold in significantly lower quantities than older ones (I read many times about Sony's smartphones poor sales numbers) and it might be the reason of a smaller community gathered around those newer devices.

Software security updates stopped?
If Sony stops providing software updates after 2y, it means those of us with a Sony Xperia X Compact (F5321) are unable to add Work e-mail accounts as the Microsoft Intune app requires an Android software update dated May 2019.
This silly policy by Sony is preventing me from adding my work O365 account to the device and means I am very unlikely to buy another Sony mobile phone ever again as its usable life is 2 years max. I am actually quite raging because I like the phone -this is beyond stupid from Sony.

RTV_1974 said:
If Sony stops providing software updates after 2y, it means those of us with a Sony Xperia X Compact (F5321) are unable to add Work e-mail accounts as the Microsoft Intune app requires an Android software update dated May 2019.
This silly policy by Sony is preventing me from adding my work O365 account to the device and means I am very unlikely to buy another Sony mobile phone ever again as its usable life is 2 years max. I am actually quite raging because I like the phone -this is beyond stupid from Sony.
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use browser.
intune sucks anyway.

RTV_1974 said:
If Sony stops providing software updates after 2y, it means those of us with a Sony Xperia X Compact (F5321) are unable to add Work e-mail accounts as the Microsoft Intune app requires an Android software update dated May 2019.
This silly policy by Sony is preventing me from adding my work O365 account to the device and means I am very unlikely to buy another Sony mobile phone ever again as its usable life is 2 years max. I am actually quite raging because I like the phone -this is beyond stupid from Sony.
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This device has pretty lackluster support even in the dev community as well. All it's really got going for it atm but fortunately we have Lineage 17.1 and Project Treble. I recommend flashing a new rom if you don't want to switch phones.