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[Q] Pogo Cable Issue

Hello there developers,not sure if I'm posting on the right place but I have a really big problem. My new Pogo Cable arrived and I was so excited to use it,but my happiness didn't lasted fort too long. The problem is that the Tablet while charging with the Pogo cable is either charging slow ,or neither at all. This issue is available for both Lollipop and Kit-Kat,have upgraded an then downgraded with the hope that the issue will be solved. The original Micro -Usb cable works good but with the Pogo Cable in the Battery Monitor Widget it appears "Discharging" and "AC Plugged",and the charging rate is booring slow. Had the idea to measure the Voltage and the current Flow with a multimeter and got the surprise that while the voltage is 5.12 V the amperage is 0.12 A ,while the original charger pumps up to 2 Amps. Could this be the issue? Is there some electrical switch that should open and release all those 2 Amps or is this Cable a Hoax or something that is not fully functional? Thanks in advance,hope that you guys will enlight me somehow!

I've no idea if this is related but be aware that having your pogo plug connected while also having anything connected to the microUSB will stop charging. The charging icon (lightning bolt) will still appear but that I'd a false indicator. This limitation is due to the Android kernel and is present in all versions of Android.
I exclusively use a pogo plug to charge my Nexus 10 and it has always worked on all versions of Android including 5.0.2 which I'm on today. For me pogo plug charging has always been about 25 percent faster then USB charging.
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My experience is exactly the same as 3DSammy reports.

well my warranty is expired so i Decided to "surgically" dissmantle my Nexus 10 in a heroic attempt to find the cause and I have made a breakthrough (or at least I tought so). I got another Pogo cable ,and this one was good,the voltage was exactly 5 Volts measured and the Amperage that I got was 2.21 Amps measured with a 6 Ohm fuse,all these values where from the original Samsung charger. All things good,but the Tablet is still not charging at all,the same Lightning animations and even after 3~4 hours still no charge at all,and this is Lame in my opinion. So after opening the tablet,I got the idea to short the 3 and 4 pogo pins together,and assumed that this will draw all the power that the battery needs to charge,the idea was working i got 20% more power draw than the usb cable BUT for only let's say Half of hour ,and then the same old story,battery was discharging but the lightning animation was on. This is not so good and my suppose is that the Power Management iC from the motherboard is some how not managing the Pogo charge at all :laugh: so my next idea is to wire the charging Pogo pins directly to the battery and hope for the best. Regards! :good:

moky900 said:
well my warranty is expired so i Decided to "surgically" dissmantle my Nexus 10 in a heroic attempt to find the cause and I have made a breakthrough (or at least I tought so). I got another Pogo cable ,and this one was good,the voltage was exactly 5 Volts measured and the Amperage that I got was 2.21 Amps measured with a 6 Ohm fuse,all these values where from the original Samsung charger. All things good,but the Tablet is still not charging at all,the same Lightning animations and even after 3~4 hours still no charge at all,and this is Lame in my opinion
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I've got one of the original n10 from first day of issue. My battery is going to hell after being used and charged every day for the past couple years. It's been on/run everyday since Dec. 2012. I have always had a problem charging while using it. My display is always set at about 1/3 bright. When my battery drops to critical, I plug in the pogo and usually put it in sleep mode to charge. It will quick charge that way.
If I still need to use it at critical battery level, plugged into the pogo plug, it maintains power and possibly gives it a very slow increase in charge. Almost none noticeable, but will maintain power level (unless tons of graphic, camera or movies along with full bright screen).
I've just taken it for granted that this is how it works. Pogo plug will maintain battery while using and will switch to quick charge once put into sleep mode or powered off. It's always acted that way, so I have never known anything different.
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metaled222 said:
I've got one of the original n10 from first day of issue. My battery is going to hell after being used and charged every day for the past couple years. It's been on/run everyday since Dec. 2012. I have always had a problem charging while using it. My display is always set at about 1/3 bright. When my battery drops to critical, I plug in the pogo and usually put it in sleep mode to charge. It will quick charge that way.
If I still need to use it at critical battery level, plugged into the pogo plug, it maintains power and possibly gives it a very slow increase in charge. Almost none noticeable, but will maintain power level (unless tons of graphic, camera or movies along with full bright screen).
I've just taken it for granted that this is how it works. Pogo plug will maintain battery while using and will switch to quick charge once put into sleep mode or powered off. It's always acted that way, so I have never known anything different.
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Well I'm sure about what did you said,but in my opinion this is a marketing bulls$h*t. Why would I use that Pogo cable if it's role is to charge only on sleep mode and powered off?I ordered because I thought that like the instructions of the pogo says:" it will charge the battery even when you are using it for movies and browsing,being more handy ,because you have the micro USB port free." I play games ,I surf the web,so my tablet is hooked up to a USB hub so I have connected a mouse,a keyboard and a game controller,so my USB port is full,and I hoped the pogo will help. Charging only on sleep is equal to zero for me,I need live charging,in the same time as the tablet runs games and other stuff. In my opinion this "glitch" should have been told on the pogo site,so I could full understand this cable and it's role. Shame on Samsung,30$ .for nothing! Thanks for the help!

Charger Disappointment

Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion

I'm more disappointed at the size of the wall wart. They could have made more friendly to other power strip users.

razor237 said:
Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion
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Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.

The disappointing part is the my other cords not working with Android auto. Luckily I have a nexus 6, and the cord with its charger works.
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brholt6 said:
Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.
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I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol

razor237 said:
I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol
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If you plugged in a charging cord that can't handle the increased power it sure could fry the cord. I feel ya though...it would be nice if it were a USB cord.

I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.

Also having a fixed cord means you don't pulg some 'slow' cable in and not get any benefits. Out my 8-10 micro USB cables, only 2-3 get a decent charge speed.

tele_jas said:
I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.
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If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Good, because I know I'll find his phone on that charger some day

I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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I think the reason they made the cable fixed is because a lot of cheaper usb cables use very thin wire gauges. Since this charger puts out a lot of current at varying voltages, it's very possible for a thin cable to overheat easier and catch on fire. And my guess is, they didn't want to take any chances

How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?

DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I've got the same issue going on. My replacement from Amazon will be here Tuesday so I'll have time to mess with both and see if its the charger or what. Currently my turbocharging is hit or miss.

DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I have this issue sometimes to. So if I need to know if im charging at turbo I use an app from the app store to see if states I'm turbo Charging or not. In the Charging screen it will say "normal or Turbo"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere

DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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You can use a USB voltage/current indicator device to see it directly. I use one that displays voltage and current simultaneously, it cost about $10 on Amazon.
The Qualcomm QC 2.0 (which Motorola terms "TurboPower) spec is 5, 9, 12, and 20 volts, with up to 2 amps plus at each voltage. The QC 2.0 chargers I've tested including the Motorola charger included with the XT1575, range up to 9V and about 2+ A at 9V, with the higher voltage/amperage when battery is discharged to a lower SoC.. Haven't seen 12V or 20V, I think those only come into play when battery is discharged to nearly zero SoC.
Agree the reason the included charger has cable attached may be to ensure adequate wire gage. Too-thin wire will increase voltage drop across cable thus lengthening charge time in higher power modes. But the design here uses higher voltage to keep current down around the same 2A max current of USB 2.0 chargers, so cable heat will not be a problem with any old USB cable.
I will attest to the benefit of QC 2.0. I thought it was a useless gimmick until I started using it. It does effectively compensate for mediocre battery capacity.

My "Turbo Charging" icon displays properly, but doesn't charge very quickly if connected to a cheap extension cord.
Plugged into the wall, the charging Stull doesn't impress me that much
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DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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It's defective. Call moto they will replace it for free. Just have to send copy of purchase receipt. Had the same issue.

The charge rate depends on how discharged the battery is when connected to charge.
More discharged (lower SoC, State of Charge) will drive a higher charge rate.
As to the difference between this Motorola TurboPower (aka Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0), vs. other phones:
I've measured up to 1.4 amps at 5V nominal on other phones, that is about 9 watts charging power. That is max charge rate, with a very discharged battery. As the battery charges up closer to fully charged, the charge rate (power) is reduced. Total charging time from fully discharged to fully charged would be about 4-5 hours, give or take, for a typical cellphone battery.
For comparison, the QC 2.0 measurements I made with the MXPE: Up to 2.2 amps at 9V nominal with a phone battery discharged to about 40-50%. That works out to about 20 watts charging power. As with other Li-Ion battery charging systems, this also declines as the battery approaches fully charged. Total time to charge, from fully discharged to fully charged will be about 2-3 hours, give or take.
So the marketing claims about QC 2.0 are about right: A 75% improvement over conventional charging systems.
The biggest gains come when charging batteries discharged to lower SoC. If you are comparing charge rate/time of batteries discharged to only, say, 70-80%, you will not see as much of a difference with QC 2.0.
I'm not a QC 2.0 marketing shill, mind you. I pretty much ignored it, before buying the phone. But for this phone, QC 2.0 actually does a good job to compensate for the mediocre battery. I can run the battery down to 40-50%, put it on QC 2.0 charger in my car for my 30 minute commute, and it is charged to around 80+% when I arrive at my destination. There are a lot of QC 2.0 certified aftermarket chargers out there too, Qualcomm did a lot of work on the front end as part of bringing it to market. (Just make sure any AC charger is UL listed or equivalent, if you care about safety.
Caveats on cables: The cable does make a difference at higher charge rates. Thinner gage wire will impose a greater voltage drop at higher current, this will reduce power and thus increase charge time.
Typical USB cables are AWG 26-28. You can buy 20, 22, and 24 AWG USB cables. Some cables advertise heavier (22-24) gage wire for the power leads with standard (26-28) gage wire for the data leads. The aftermarket QC 2.0 AC chargers I bought listed their included cables as 20 gage.
Get the heavier gage if you want full QC 2.0 charging.

soufdallas said:
I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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Just to check did you use S6 original charger ? And does it charge same with the turbo power charger provided by moto?
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Faster charging using USB TypeA

Hello XDA members,
I would like to ask you if you know a if it is possible to charge my Nexus 6P with the usage of my USB 3.0 OTG Cable and a Male-to-Male classic USB 2.0 Cable ...
At the moment my phone is charging with 0.2A maximum, even with a 2A wall charger ...
The only working charger is my classic Nexus 6P TypeC-TypeC ..
Have a nice day,
George.

I don't know about the first part of your question regarding the OTG cable, but can say that any compliant USB-A cable is limited to 2.4A in the absolute best of conditions. You may find an answer in the Accessories sub-forum where most of the charger and cable discussions are.
When you say your phone is charging at 0.2A using a 2A wall charger, that may be normal. Are you measuring the input current when the battery is completely dead, or closer to full? The phone itself limits the charging current by it's built-in charging profile, so it will only accept full charging from 0-40% then taper off to zero as it approaches being fully charged. See the 6P charging graph. Even with the stock USB-C to USB-C 3A charger, you're only getting less than 0.2A amp during the last 10% of charging. Not only that, but the phone keeps accepting even less current for almost an hour past 100%.

Here's a solution for my problem, first let me you clear the problem/ my case:
I want to use my Nexus 6P as a Android desktop computer.
I already found a way to charge and use multiple USB devices (using a USB hub)
for more info check out General Section I have posted a guide so you can do it too.
I also bought a chromecast because sadly we cannot use HDMI, there is no DisplayPort on our Nexus 6P.
Everything were working perfectly except the fact that my phone was discharging, while actually charging with a 2.0A USB 2.0 wall charger.
Here is the solution:
FInd a way to power up a 16V case fan (those fans that are a inside your desktop case) and make a stand for your phone, COOL YOUR SNAPDRAGON BABY!
Phone is still charging slowly, while the temperature is at 24Celsius stabilised!
Have a nice day,
Have fun with this it is suuuper cool gadget-like creation if you consider doing it too,
George.

25W charger

i heard the battery get totally broken after one year of using the original 25W charger , what is ur experiences ? does ur phone over heat too when charging does it get to 50-60 C degrees?

I've been charging mine with the turbo charger since day one, it's been fine. There is technology built in to monitor the battery temps and ramp down the charge speed as the battery gets full. I've had my phone for 16 months now.

Max temp I get is 42-44c
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same here : 15 months with my MXF the 25w turbo2 charger.
Battery never go over 45° in charge, battery life still as good as the first day

In my car I have the Moto 25w charger. With navigation and other apps running the temperature rises to about 46 degrees. At this point the charge rate drops. Only if my telephone is at the cool air and out of its cover does the charging rate remain at the full turbo charge rate
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Alimataei said:
i heard the battery get totally broken after one year of using the original 25W charger , what is ur experiences ? does ur phone over heat too when charging does it get to 50-60 C degrees?
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Not so much that the battery fails. The connector (which is kind of crucial for QC 2.0/3.0) or the charge controller craps out. Battery's fine. Was fine when I did my swap out for charge failure. It's not the battery, which people incorrectly presume is the problem- the charge system is a feedback loop process running in the background while the OS is running. When you're dead, down, no charge in the battery, the device only draws USB 2.0 power levels, 500mA, until the OS can come up enough to manage the charging. Part of the reason they do this is because you're using a USB connection to charge with and unless you've got the 1.5 A USB charge slot or an AC charger with the ability to source up to 2.4 A of juice, trying to pull that much current will wipe your USB port on a PC/Laptop/etc OUT. This is just with traditional charging. Turbo/QuickCharge charging is about raising the voltages over the USB 2.0 lines on a cable to up to 12v as opposed to 5, to allow you to jam a bit more current through the lines and to the device, effectively doubling the power being fed to the charge system. Problem with that is that you REALLY need the OS up and running to manage that. It requires info from the Charge Controller chip that is handshook from the charger.
If your charge controller is damaged, or if the cable doesn't have clean data and power lines, it just simply WON'T WORK. It will just USB mode charge until you fix the "problem"- either of which requires Lenovo to re-work the board...if it's even possible to fix. USB charging takes forever with this class of device- because the battery is a huge tank of juice compared to the devices of old. So it "looks" like the battery got "broke".
Having said this, there's about 20-40% of the units out there, depending on the crowd you listen to, that have a defective charge controller system and the phone flat-out won't ever go into any mode other than USB.

Fastcharging overheats

Hi,
as the title suggests my phone (x722) gets really hot during fast charging; i've tried disabling fast charging but it doesn't do nothing on Aicp 13.1.
I'm currently using the included charger and cable, connected to the socket via the gearbest adapter that shipped with the phone. Ambient temperature is 26C (79f).
I'm also using the cover that came with the phone.
Should i buy another charger and cable? To avoid the excessive heat i've now switched to an old Samsung 5v/1A charger, with the provided cable.
Thanks!

Bump

Stop using the stock charger. This is mentioned regularly. Also, Samsung's implementation (adaptive charge) is based on QC2.0, whereas the stock charger charges at rate of 3800-4xxxmA. Naturally it will run warmer.
However, with all the reports of it causing the phone to shut down overnight, burnt USB ports, and QFIL I don't understand why you'd touch it at all.

Ace42 said:
Stop using the stock charger. This is mentioned regularly. Also, Samsung's implementation (adaptive charge) is based on QC2.0, whereas the stock charger charges at rate of 3800-4xxxmA. Naturally it will run warmer.
However, with all the reports of it causing the phone to shut down overnight, burnt USB ports, and QFIL I don't understand why you'd touch it at all.
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Thanks, i've ordered an Anker Qc3 charger and a new cable