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Project Treble, as you've heard, is an amazing new update structure for Android devices and also can affect the speed and stability of Android development.
OnePlus has decided not to implement the current OnePlus devices with Project Treble, and they haven't given an explanation as to why they decided not to.
Project Treble can help the 3/3T as they are almost out of the OEM support days. If they do implement this, you may be looking at Android P ROMs for your device within days of the release of the AOSP commits.
Stand UP for your device and our responsibility as the community should be to bring support for our device for as long as possible. If OnePlus implements this, our device will be future proof for the aeons to come.
Your vote counts.
Change Org - https://www.change.org/p/carl-pei-w...-ask-oneplus-to-support-project-treble-in-oos
Do your part as a OnePlus 3/3T user and VOTE!
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suraj.das said:
What's your drug of choice?
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What do you mean?
thes3usa said:
What do you mean?
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He means that you must be high on something to think OP will give this petition any consideration. I don't think they will either, but I signed it anyway. It'd be nice if they did. It would certainly bolster consumer confidence in OnePlus if they supported such a game changing feature.
HampTheToker said:
He means that you must be high on something to think OP will give this petition any consideration. I don't think they will either, but I signed it anyway. It'd be nice if they did. It would certainly bolster consumer confidence in OnePlus if they supported such a game changing feature.
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This really isnt that much of a game changer really. Dont let those on the portal make you think other wise. The rom developers are laughing at him as he has no real idea of how this is gonna work. In the end it will have 0 effect on roms or OEM updates.
zelendel said:
This really isnt that much of a game changer really. Dont let those on the portal make you think other wise. The rom developers are laughing at him as he has no real idea of how this is gonna work. In the end it will have 0 effect on roms or OEM updates.
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How so?
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HampTheToker said:
How so?
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Well the only this this allows is updated things from the SOC manufacturers. Making things for the oem faster, if they ran aosp. But they dont. Updates will be just as long If not longer now due to this. Why you ask. Well now the OEM has to build their entire OS completely differently now. This is from OEM changing the entire OS framework as well as every file google makes.
As for custom roms. Well this really means nothing as most custom roms are already on newer patches then even what google has pushed to aosp.
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Well the only this this allows is updated things from the SOC manufacturers. Making things for the oem faster, if they ran aosp. But they dont. Updates will be just as long If not longer now due to this. Why you ask. Well now the OEM has to build their entire OS completely differently now. This is from OEM changing the entire OS framework as well as every file google makes.
As for custom roms. Well this really means nothing as most custom roms are already on newer patches then even what google has pushed to aosp.
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What? What even are you talking about? Project Treble is a huge step for AOSP ROM development.
Read here - https://www.xda-developers.com/stock-android-oreo-huawei-mate-9-project-treble/
Project Treble can bring quicker and more stable ROMs to devices faster and more efficiently.
HampTheToker said:
He means that you must be high on something to think OP will give this petition any consideration. I don't think they will either, but I signed it anyway. It'd be nice if they did. It would certainly bolster consumer confidence in OnePlus if they supported such a game changing feature.
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OnePlus's rule is to listen to their community yeah? With the petition over 5000 signatures and the link booming on r/OnePlus, it'll make them look bad if they ignore the petition.
thes3usa said:
What? What even are you talking about? Project Treble is a huge step for AOSP ROM development.
Read here - https://www.xda-developers.com/stock-android-oreo-huawei-mate-9-project-treble/
Project Treble can bring quicker and more stable ROMs to devices faster and more efficiently.
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Please. First of getting aosp to boot on that device is not that big of a deal. Rom devs do it all the time. The only reason those devices are left behind is because developers refuse to work with their chipset.
So explain how something only concerns the SOC manufacturer and the OEM will make roms faster?
If you really thiink this will make the OEMS update any more then they already do then you are sadly mistaken.
Thats the one that I mentioned that the devs are laughing at.
Also if you follow the thread linked you will see that things are still broken and causing issues. Nothing new.
Project treble means nothing for the average person and it is sad that the portal guys are not tech savvy, which leads them to making statements that are not even close to being true.
zelendel said:
Please. First of getting aosp to boot on that device is not that big of a deal. Rom devs do it all the time. The only reason those devices are left behind is because developers refuse to work with their chipset.
So explain how something only concerns the SOC manufacturer and the OEM will make roms faster?
If you really thiink this will make the OEMS update any more then they already do then you are sadly mistaken.
Thats the one that I mentioned that the devs are laughing at.
Also if you follow the thread linked you will see that things are still broken and causing issues. Nothing new.
Project treble means nothing for the average person and it is sad that the portal guys are not tech savvy, which leads them to making statements that are not even close to being true.
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By your judgement, what is not true as explained by the portal guys?
Isn't the whole point of Project Treble making it easier for devs to work with chipsets such as MediaTek or Kirin?
Project Treble third party development is still early, you need to give it time. It's not like every new feature in Android sprung up to be in the top places at once. Things will be broken, and the devs will find a solution.
Also, the point of Project Treble will be having unified ROM files for many devices in a category ( eg: Same SoC, same OEM, etc), and also where the device trees have not been released, unlike OnePlus, who has their Day One project.
By your logic, you're saying that there's no use for Project Treble, and it's all a complete waste of time.
But hey, it's your opinion .
But you do have a point, the portal is not to be trusted too far, and I would wait until a developer has shown that Project Treble has been put to good use on a device. But, that does not mean that Treble support should not be given to a device like ours that's super powerful.
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By your judgement, what is not true as explained by the portal guys?
Isn't the whole point of Project Treble making it easier for devs to work with chipsets such as MediaTek or Kirin?
Project Treble third party development is still early, you need to give it time. It's not like every new feature in Android sprung up to be in the top places at once. Things will be broken, and the devs will find a solution.
Also, the point of Project Treble will be having unified ROM files for many devices in a category ( eg: Same SoC, same OEM, etc), and also where the device trees have not been released, unlike OnePlus, who has their Day One project.
By your logic, you're saying that there's no use for Project Treble, and it's all a complete waste of time.
But hey, it's your opinion .
But you do have a point, the portal is not to be trusted too far, and I would wait until a developer has shown that Project Treble has been put to good use on a device. But, that does not mean that Treble support should not be given to a device like ours that's super powerful.
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The portal guys will have you believe that this will help rom development. It wont.
The problem the devs have with the Kirin chip is that it is done in mostly Chinese and there is 0 documentation on how to work with the chips. as for MTK. Yeah that wont happen. There is a reason those chips are used mostly on devices that dont have google play services.
No that will not mean unified rom files. Another thing they lead to you believe. Even the dev doing the work (not the portal writer) has already said each device will still need its own kernel.
Project treble does have a use. Its just not something we can really use.
Project treble was made so OEM can update android without having to update their version of the android OS. Everything is between the SOC Oem and the device oem.
Now ask yourself this. What OEM is really gonna update a device without updating their OS version? Also you cant really seperate the OS framework from googles android and the OEM. This is due to the OEM changing or replacing completely every base android framework file that google releases. (another thing the portal has people not understanding. OEM do not skin android. They replace it with completely different versions of android. Like Linux distros.) Also even if you can boot AOSP on any device. Are you willing to lose all the features that Oem add to their devices? Take the one plus camera deal as a perfect example.
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regarding Project, it targets all devices launched with Android 8.x also It has almost nothing to do with Oneplus, if Qualcomm update the reference msm8996 kernel to linux 4.4 then its trivial to port oneplus modifications over. Qualcomm has practically zero motivation to do this, infact it works against their interests.
So better petition Qualcomm
So as most of you probably are aware of the OnePlus fans made a petition for Project Treble but they got the response that they didn't have a partition for it. We on the other hand have the /cust partition.
Therefore we have made a petition for Project Treble
http://chn.ge/2B8R2uD
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I doubt this can even work, because MIUI changes Android in a lot of places. So I dont think that MIUI can be "placed upon stock Android" partition with all the changes it has.
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I doubt this can even work, because MIUI changes Android in a lot of places. So I dont think that MIUI can be "placed upon stock Android" partition with all the changes it has.
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Well, they will have to make it work with devices launching with Oreo. So Mi 7 for example.
UnknownDev420 said:
Well, they will have to make it work with devices launching with Oreo. So Mi 7 for example.
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There is no reason to do it for Mi6 though (I mean Xiaomi doesn't have one of course).
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There is no reason to do it for Mi6 though.
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They don't have to do it as the device didn't launch with Oreo. It would however be nice to have and we already have a partition of the right size anyway.
The huge amount of work to bring treble to mi6 makes 100% sure that never will happen.
If they do it for all new devices (and they must do), there is less work to do to implement it on older devices like MI6. Expect for specific hardware/features, MIUI source code is the same for all devices.
But does Google FORCES the device manufactures to use trebble? All I read was, that Google works together with them for the Devices which comes out with Oreo.
Google Force manufacturer to use treble for devices that will be sold with Oreo or later. For device that came out with Nougat, Treble is optional.
UnknownDev420 said:
So as most of you probably are aware of the OnePlus fans made a petition for Project Treble but they got the response that they didn't have a partition for it. We on the other hand have the /cust partition.
Therefore we have made a petition for Project Treble
http://chn.ge/2B8R2uD
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Signed, even if I doubt we will ever get PT for Mi6, it is always good to show that there is a community of enthusiasts and devs who care about this (same as with Kernel sources).
maxmax0 said:
Signed, even if I doubt we will ever get PT for Mi6, it is always good to show that there is a community of enthusiasts and devs who care about this (same as with Kernel sources).
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Well redmi note 4 now got treble with the latest los 15.1
hon2838 said:
Well redmi note 4 now got treble with the latest los 15.1
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I see, it might actually be possible for our device to support treble. I've been reading on this topic for the past few days but there is not much information on how he managed to do it except changing the mount point of a partition. Its all a bit to blurry for me to start porting but maybe some other developer can do it.
It looks like xiaobai was able to get treble working ?
https://m.weibo.cn/u/3138080394?from=feed&from=feed&loc=nickname&loc=nickname&jumpfrom=weibocom
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It looks like xiaobai was able to get treble working
https://m.weibo.cn/u/3138080394?from=feed&from=feed&loc=nickname&loc=nickname&jumpfrom=weibocom
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thanks god , i'm crying .
Is this real man
jdtwentyfour said:
It looks like xiaobai was able to get treble working
https://m.weibo.cn/u/3138080394?from=feed&from=feed&loc=nickname&loc=nickname&jumpfrom=weibocom
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Noice
that is why I had error while I compiled from his repo.
You cannot install files to /media/wojtek/Store/out/lineage/target/product/sagit/system/vendor while building a separate vendor.img!
anyone knows cheines can help us bring some news from him
jdtwentyfour said:
It looks like xiaobai was able to get treble working
https://m.weibo.cn/u/3138080394?from=feed&from=feed&loc=nickname&loc=nickname&jumpfrom=weibocom
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That's Fantastic!
I'm so excited about it!!
As we all know Mi a1 makes it difficult for custom rom building coz of A/B partitions ..
But i wanted to whether all the developers are in to make a lot of stable custom roms or they have moved away from the device.
I am not asking for customs roms now itself just wanted to know there is support and working on in the background or not.
I don't think they're avoiding it, it's just taking time to bring up the device tree.. I might dig into it a bit this weekend and try to bring up the device tree to 8.1, the problem is that even in 7.1.2 we don't have everything working. also, Xiaomi did a terrible job with the kernel, took them 4 months to release it and when they did they released an old 7.1.2 based kernel with the commits squashed into one commit over an older CAF tree
Developers are hampered by the lack of availability of source code that is yet to be released by xiaomi, (they have released the code, but not Oreo) otherwise we would have good ROMs by now
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I don't think they're avoiding it, it's just taking time to bring up the device tree.. I might dig into it a bit this weekend and try to bring up the device tree to 8.1, the problem is that even in 7.1.2 we don't have everything working. also, Xiaomi did a terrible job with the kernel, took them 4 months to release it and when they did they released an old 7.1.2 based kernel with the commits squashed into one commit over an older CAF tree
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Yes that ok .. Waiting is worth the wait . But can we expect stable custom roms within a month
Vibun said:
Yes that ok .. Waiting is worth the wait . But can we expect stable custom roms within a month
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LineageOS is out. And I'll say yes.
Once LineageOS is perfectly stable you'll see many more ROMs.
No, developers are not purposely avoiding the device. On the contrary the day after the sources dropped we had 3 ROMs (broken nonetheless, only RIL worked) by three different devs.
As of right now, everyone has joined hands and are fixing LOS14.1
Even Francisco Franco said he's getting his kernel to this device, just be a bit patient.
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LineageOS is out. And I'll say yes.
Once LineageOS is perfectly stable you'll see many more ROMs.
No, developers are not purposely avoiding the device. On the contrary the day after the sources dropped we had 3 ROMs (broken nonetheless, only RIL worked) by three different devs.
As of right now, everyone has joined hands and are fixing LOS14.1
Even Francisco Franco said he's getting his kernel to this device, just be a bit patient.
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Yes , I totally agree with u .. It's a new type of device (a/b partition ) it would take time .. just wanted to know that work is going around on it
Vibun said:
But can I expect stable custom roms within a month
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Are you gonna pay them?
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Are you gonna pay them?
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Dude !! Read my thread properly at the beginning. I said I am not asking for custom roms now ... Just wanted to know whether the device is under work or not ....
Vibun said:
Dude !! Read my thread properly at the beginning. I said I am not asking for custom roms now ... Just wanted to know whether the device is under work or not ....
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Vibun said:
Yes that ok .. Waiting is worth the wait . But can we expect stable custom roms within a month
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try give whoever it is an extra day or 2 maybe.just wait am sure were gonna see a lot of roms coming up
If your waiting for development then you have not done your research. Development devs dont buy from this oem. They even avoid it. The best you can hope for is some of the users porting the roms over but they will most likely be buggy as they always are with this oem.
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If your waiting for development then you have not done your research. Development devs dont buy from this oem. They even avoid it. The best you can hope for is some of the users porting the roms over but they will most likely be buggy as they always are with this oem.
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Then what are your thoughts about Pixel Experience on Redmi Note 4? It has a very few bugs, and in fact gives better battery life than MIUI 9. That ROM isn't considered to be a port, right?
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Then what are your thoughts about Pixel Experience on Redmi Note 4? It has a very few bugs, and in fact gives better battery life than MIUI 9. That ROM isn't considered to be a port, right?
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Any rom will give better batter battery life then miui. That is due to all the background syncing that it does in the back ground.
As for that rom. Any rom that brings over a pixel like rom is a port.
I wouldn't really know as this device isn't sold in my country nor does anyone I know even look twice at the oem.
Stop this A/B partitioning scheme BS. Of course, it does not make life easier for the developers but it certainly isn't the biggest obstacle.
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Stop this A/B partitioning scheme BS. Of course, it does not make life easier for the developers but it certainly isn't the biggest obstacle.
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Really. Ask the devs that got the pixel and after that won't touch a device with the partition setup. It makes things almost impossible to get working right. Me, I would just repatriation the device and remove the partition all together.
zelendel said:
Really. Ask the devs that got the pixel and after that won't touch a device with the partition setup. It makes things almost impossible to get working right. Me, I would just repatriation the device and remove the partition all together.
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I'm not neglecting that but, in my opinion, it isn't that big of a deal anymore. I'm sure that even we if we didn't had it, things wouldn't be much better.
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I'm not neglecting that but, in my opinion, it isn't that big of a deal anymore. I'm sure that even we if we didn't had it, things wouldn't be much better.
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Well considering the oem you are right. But for normal devices those that don't have the partition are the more dev friendly. Just talk to some of the devs. Most have sworn off anything that uses the dual partition.
zelendel said:
Really. Ask the devs that got the pixel and after that won't touch a device with the partition setup. It makes things almost impossible to get working right. Me, I would just repatriation the device and remove the partition all together.
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Absolutely true, it took months to see a stable release of TWRP for the Pixel. And there's still no official LOS as well.
However there are a few ROMs and more device with A/B are out like PH-1 and Moto Z2
For reals though, devs working on ROMs for this device, feel free to create/list your PayPal accounts for donations.
We ask so much of the devs it's only fair we buy them a drink/meal for all their hard work and persistence!
Sign me up for a donation
zelendel said:
If your waiting for development then you have not done your research. Development devs dont buy from this oem. They even avoid it. The best you can hope for is some of the users porting the roms over but they will most likely be buggy as they always are with this oem.
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You are wrong.. mi phone's has great support on xda..look at rn3,4..and other mi phone threads
sooti said:
I don't think they're avoiding it, it's just taking time to bring up the device tree.. I might dig into it a bit this weekend and try to bring up the device tree to 8.1, the problem is that even in 7.1.2 we don't have everything working. also, Xiaomi did a terrible job with the kernel, took them 4 months to release it and when they did they released an old 7.1.2 based kernel with the commits squashed into one commit over an older CAF tree
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eeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy od israeli
Hey there,
Most of you have noticed there is no to very low development for our devices.
For what is worth, there is development, and it is awesome.
We have a very nice device and with great kernel I can assure you that you will be amazed by the performances and battery life for this device.
*I'm currently testing a custom kernel (Hex), and even if it's still a bit of a pain to flash it (twrp need to be installed on one partition and kernel on the other "side") so you need a PC to get it flashed.
So. Please be a bit patient and it will be awesomely rewarded
I wrote this post to all fearing no dev. For the mia2, there is, and damn it's DDucking awesome
Have a nice day!
Regards,
H.
Thanks :good::good:
Wow! It's good to know this,
I would like to see the growing number on the development for this device to the point like other popular device such as my old Redmi Note 4 (its running awesome when installed LOS Oreo). The thing is this A/B partition on MiA2 seems to be complicated and have a high risk if you do wrong from my perspective. With that reason I still keep my phone as it is for now, looking forward for more development and tweaks tho
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I would like to see the growing number on the development for this device to the point like other popular device such as my old Redmi Note 4 (its running awesome when installed LOS Oreo). The thing is this A/B partition on MiA2 seems to be complicated and have a high risk if you do wrong from my perspective. With that reason I still keep my phone as it is for now, looking forward for more development and tweaks tho
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Yes, me too, even just try to unlock and just enable camera2api without root can turn in a briked device. So i will wait for an oficial TWRP that don´t transform my A2 in to a brick. like this user:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77825415&postcount=13
ki69 said:
Yes, me to even just try to unlock and just enable camera2api without root can tur in a briked device. So i will wait for an oficial TWRP that don´t transform my A2 in to a brick. like this user:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77825415&postcount=13
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Mmh, it's definitely way too early to use any tool. God knows what the tool will do (it's just an automated batch based on ADB/fastboot aka. Platform tools) ?
Again, it's currently a pain to flash anything but at least, it's now 100% stable (if manually flashed with correct ADB (last) version.
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Just a question of time that everything goes to the "noob-world" <- no offense we, just another way to say "bulletproof secure"
I got mine converted to Mi 6X (wayne) and I have only A partition slot. A/B it's ****. I also earned some internal storage space (around 4 Gigs) by doing this. I flashed back AEX and all is good! There is also a fixed vendor coming up which will allow to run every GSI image out-of-the-box without any bugs, thanks to Manish!
If you want guys, I can make a step by step guide on how to root and use magisk, substraum and gcam
It is very easy in my opinion, can be done in 5 minutes
I think that could be actually great. It took me some times to harvest all Infos and find a way which was making some sense. No rant on devs. But a clear way step by step would be great. At least to answer the 2000 message I get on "how-to do it" ????
For substratum not needs always root....Andromeda + substratum works very fine on stock devices(Andromeda cost is very small)
A2 certainly needs an official twrp,first than all....perhaps it will come soon, the device is still new...
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The thing is this A/B partition on MiA2 seems to be complicated and have a high risk if you do wrong from my perspective.
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It was an issue in the past, but now that there's wide support for the Google Pixel (which even has official LOS) things just got a lot easier. A/B is a non-issue for the end-user, the developer does need to check how things are done in the Pixel (which takes valuable time), but shouldn't be a deal breaker as everything is already public.
IMHO the real issue is the fact the Mi A2 wasn't really that popular to begin with (among the kind of enthusiasts that would only ever run a custom ROM, that is). When it launched, those enthusiasts preferred the whyred (which already had great support, namely official LOS). Shortly after, Poco happened.
I honestly think this device will be like most others, custom ROMs will either come straight from GSI (when vendor is fixed) or only after the Android One support ends (aka. when we'll be pressed to do something).
It's not too bad at all, it's just slightly disappointing because (1) Xiaomi timed their product releases poorly, not giving enough information to make an informed purchase; and (2) we kinda of expected a little more from Android One than to be grounded to stock or (now) a GSI.
At the end of the day it is up to us (everyone in this community) to do something about it (ie. start working on the device instead of expecting someone else to pick that job). Harsh words, but true nonetheless.
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It was an issue in the past, but now that there's wide support for the Google Pixel (which even has official LOS) things just got a lot easier. A/B is a non-issue for the end-user, the developer does need to check how things are done in the Pixel (which takes valuable time), but shouldn't be a deal breaker as everything is already public.
IMHO the real issue is the fact the Mi A2 wasn't really that popular to begin with (among the kind of enthusiasts that would only ever run a custom ROM, that is). When it launched, those enthusiasts preferred the whyred (which already had great support, namely official LOS). Shortly after, Poco happened.
I honestly think this device will be like most others, custom ROMs will either come straight from GSI (when vendor is fixed) or only after the Android One support ends (aka. when we'll be pressed to do something).
It's not too bad at all, it's just slightly disappointing because (1) Xiaomi timed their product releases poorly, not giving enough information to make an informed purchase; and (2) we kinda of expected a little more from Android One than to be grounded to stock or (now) a GSI.
At the end of the day it is up to us (everyone in this community) to do something about it (ie. start working on the device instead of expecting someone else to pick that job). Harsh words, but true nonetheless.
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This should be stickied somewhere, this is exactly what happened and what needs to be done. True words
by any chance will this work with mi 6x?
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by any chance will this work with mi 6x?
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Some have tried, it doesn't unfortunately ?
Aww. Was hoping it would work on 6x since it's faster atm
Ähm.. mia2 + Hex Kernel is soooo faster than mi6xx ? and 6-7h of SOT on wifi (5-6h on 4g)
Again, a bit of patience, it will be all good. It is already for motivated flashers
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Ähm.. mia2 + Hex Kernel is soooo faster than mi6xx and 6-7h of SOT on wifi (5-6h on 4g)
Again, a bit of patience, it will be all good. It is already for motivated flashers
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with this statement, will not buy 6x and wait for A2
saves me trouble of flashing PE on 6x
:fingers-crossed:
dodjob said:
Ähm.. mia2 + Hex Kernel is soooo faster than mi6xx and 6-7h of SOT on wifi (5-6h on 4g)
Again, a bit of patience, it will be all good. It is already for motivated flashers
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Is the Hex kernel being done in collaboration with the X-team?
Their extreme kernel for the Mi A1 is crazy good.
Can you point me to the kernel file? I would like to test and report
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It was an issue in the past, but now that there's wide support for the Google Pixel (which even has official LOS) things just got a lot easier. A/B is a non-issue for the end-user, the developer does need to check how things are done in the Pixel (which takes valuable time), but shouldn't be a deal breaker as everything is already public.
IMHO the real issue is the fact the Mi A2 wasn't really that popular to begin with (among the kind of enthusiasts that would only ever run a custom ROM, that is). When it launched, those enthusiasts preferred the whyred (which already had great support, namely official LOS). Shortly after, Poco happened.
I honestly think this device will be like most others, custom ROMs will either come straight from GSI (when vendor is fixed) or only after the Android One support ends (aka. when we'll be pressed to do something).
It's not too bad at all, it's just slightly disappointing because (1) Xiaomi timed their product releases poorly, not giving enough information to make an informed purchase; and (2) we kinda of expected a little more from Android One than to be grounded to stock or (now) a GSI.
At the end of the day it is up to us (everyone in this community) to do something about it (ie. start working on the device instead of expecting someone else to pick that job). Harsh words, but true nonetheless.
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I agree with what you said. Its just unfortunate that this device got a lot of bugs despite its being an Android One phone. I'm sitting here just waiting for October update or Android Pie update so I can use my device without worries.
hii learned people
why now a days less ans less custom roms?. say it for samsung etc. look at our one plus no stable custom roms. i have a fear that after some years our xad must be irrelevant which i really dont want. the best place. i am asking from my heart. other than my profession i used to spend more time on xda before. now a days its becoming less. whch makes me very sad.
thank you
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dr.mouli
ayurmouli said:
hii learned people
why now a days less ans less custom roms?. say it for samsung etc. look at our one plus no stable custom roms. i have a fear that after some years our xad must be irrelevant which i really dont want. the best place. i am asking from my heart. other than my profession i used to spend more time on xda before. now a days its becoming less. whch makes me very sad.
thank you
regards
dr.mouli
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We have Resurrection Remix that is stable
There's a few stable OP 8 series Roms. I don't quite understand what you are going on about.
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FreshlyBaked 420 said:
There's a few stable OP 8 series Roms. I don't quite understand what you are going on about.
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the amount of custom roms are getting lesser and lesser every day. we dont even have stable twrp of our one plus. rooting is getting difficult day by day. are we heading for ios scenario
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ayurmouli said:
the amount of custom roms are getting lesser and lesser every day. we dont even have stable twrp of our one plus. rooting is getting difficult day by day. are we heading for ios scenario
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Yes custom Roms aren't what they used to be. There's still options though. We do have stable TWRP on A10, A11 is going to take time. Not everything happens overnight. Rooting isn't hard either really.
The overall OS have improved a lot...
ayurmouli said:
hii learned people
why now a days less ans less custom roms?. say it for samsung etc. look at our one plus no stable custom roms. i have a fear that after some years our xad must be irrelevant which i really dont want. the best place. i am asking from my heart. other than my profession i used to spend more time on xda before. now a days its becoming less. whch makes me very sad.
thank you
regards
dr.mouli
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You can thank the dynamic super partition as the culprit behind this.
This is the real underlying cause of very few custom roms. It's also the cost of the device. many people can't afford a thousand bucks.
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Burt Squirtz said:
You can thank the dynamic super partition as the culprit behind this.
This is the real underlying cause of very few customer roms. It's also the cost of the device. many people can't afford a thousand bucks.
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exactly the base of android os is open source but slowly we are reaching for the closed eco system. unfortunately
ayurmouli said:
exactly the base of android os is open source but slowly we are reaching for the closed eco system. unfortunately
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That's right. I'm flashing roms since my galaxy S1. Ive never had a phone without custom rom. But nowadays stock roms starting to be better an better. Even MIUI is a great rom if you debloat it a lot! Today I'm only rooted with a custom kernel. I don't want to miss OEM feature and just want to have a stable rom! And with OxygenOS we have it!
There are ROMs and there is root, we really don't need twrp.
Root is extremely easy, as is unlocking the bootloader.
Personally I'm not a fan of the dual slot system, I think it just confuses the crap out of people, but what can you do.
I'm coming from a Huawei p20 pro. If you think it's bad here, just check out the "development" over there, and they were thriving not so long ago, now it's just as dead as death over there.
(They actually made a development section for the p40 Pro lol why? )
We'll have development for some time yet and will more than likely be root and development for many years to come.
Plus the developers we have here, a lot of them are self taught so why wait for someone else to do it for you?
Make yourself a ROM..
I've done it before (many moons ago) its a great feeling making a ROM you made yourself that boots, of course if it's a non OOS ROM you'll need twrp but that'll come in due course.
I agree in part that development has declined but we should be grateful for what we do have, which is more than a lot of other devices..
I think partly with 1+ it's because the OS is already pretty damn good, plus OnePlus haven't exactly made it impossible for us to mod things..
I also look at another flagship phone that released this year, almost low to none custom ROMs.
Yes thx, I've been on pixels for the last few years & always on a custom rom. I got kona soon as I could and have been loving it. While I have used magisk modules and custom kernel, this is the first time in a really long time that I've stayed on the stock os. The os has came a long way and am thankful to have kona and wouldn't change it for nothing. I've really enjoyed this device so far. Anyway thanks for sharing and just thought I'd share my thoughts.
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I also look at another flagship phone that released this year, almost low to none custom ROMs.
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Aye I've done the same, even the pixel seems lacking.
Are we looking at it wrong though? I mean back on the HTC devices I've owned sure I did a tonne of flashing but I usually settled on 1 or 2 ROMs and we do have more than that here, so do we have what we need rather than what we want?
Lol I'm sure we'd all prefer the latter, I would too, but it's something to think about, I mean Paranoid Android is here, sure it's had less updates than an rtx 3090 but it's here
To add to what others are saying... Cooking a ROM is a very time consuming project. Not a lot of people want to spend the time on it anymore. When I first got a smart phone, it was an HTC touch diamond. Windows phone OS. Back then, tons of people were learning to create custom ROMs and mods for them. That has slowly dwindled over time. On Android, ROMs were mostly created to get AOSP ported to most devices. Nowadays, all phones have custom hardware that needs a factory ROM to be useful. AOSP is not very desirable as it is the most basic form of Android with only basic functionality for mostly Pixel phones. Most people are now only concerned with using a debloated stock ROM and rooting for modules etc. This is the norm. I don't think it will change. It is what things have evolved into over time.
Also we can install treble ROMs can't we?
I've talked about this before.
There should be dedicated sections for functional treble ROMs where common issues can be laid bare so they can at least be worked on with specific device owners.
Asking a question about your own device in a treble thread seldom gets an answer.
AFAIK we'd need twrp unless Fastboot can be used? Not sure, have only managed to get one treble ROM to boot back on the p20 pro when I had it unlocked.
Most of it worked if memory serves..I'll give them a whirl next time I Bork my system or i get bored and will make a thread detailing which ones work.
i will never go for huawei
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There are ROMs and there is root, we really don't need twrp.
Root is extremely easy, as is unlocking the bootloader.
Personally I'm not a fan of the dual slot system, I think it just confuses the crap out of people, but what can you do.
I'm coming from a Huawei p20 pro. If you think it's bad here, just check out the "development" over there, and they were thriving not so long ago, now it's just as dead as death over there.
(They actually made a development section for the p40 Pro lol why? )
We'll have development for some time yet and will more than likely be root and development for many years to come.
Plus the developers we have here, a lot of them are self taught so why wait for someone else to do it for you?
Make yourself a ROM..
I've done it before (many moons ago) its a great feeling making a ROM you made yourself that boots, of course if it's a non OOS ROM you'll need twrp but that'll come in due course.
I agree in part that development has declined but we should be grateful for what we do have, which is more than a lot of other devices..
I think partly with 1+ it's because the OS is already pretty damn good, plus OnePlus haven't exactly made it impossible for us to mod things..
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never allow us to open boot loader. u cant even root. i sold p30 pro after using it for 3 months. i always come back to android because we can root. other wise iphone is better in all the departments and it has value also. but if android is same as ios i.e closed eco system then who needs it. we do flashing etc because its fun. as a doctor this things makes me feel; good because i do something (rooting etc) which is beyond my profession. which is fun and entertaining
ayurmouli said:
never allow us to open boot loader. u cant even root. i sold p30 pro after using it for 3 months. i always come back to android because we can root. other wise iphone is better in all the departments and it has value also. but if android is same as ios i.e closed eco system then who needs it. we do flashing etc because its fun. as a doctor this things makes me feel; good because i do something (rooting etc) which is beyond my profession. which is fun and entertaining
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Actually I couldn't disagree more.
Point being the OS even without root is still better, still more open and content is still better.
Think Apple TV Vs Shield TV Pro, I can play Wii, GameCube, Dreamcast, arcade, neogeo, SNES, megadrive, Atari, Amiga, spectrum commodore, Amstrad, pc engine, pc games, Android games, can watch any movie, listen to any music, connect any controller (multiple controllers) wired or wireless, have it as a searchable Nas drive in my network, watch IPTV through it.
Apple TV can be used for apps like Netflix, that is it.
No file manager, no emulators, nothing.
iOS is not better than Android, not even close, maybe the camera and that's due to singular hardware.
Also Huawei/ honor devices DID allow bootloader unlocking, I know this as I unlocked my p20 pro they stopped it in July 2018 and then reopened it briefly in late 2018, nothing since.
Before this time it was always open, they partnered with XDA to promote their devices and then when they gathered ground they pulled the rug out from underneath everyone's feet, Huawei are slime, they deserve to be hit financially.
Anyone who bought a p30 or p40 is either not bothered about rooting or doesn't want the latest and greatest hardware (Mali GPU is horrific, Kirin is a joke)
If anyone does buy Huawei, they're contributing to the problem as they're still giving money to a company who went against everything that Android stands for.
There is literally no point of there being a P40 forum or P30. It's not even Android in my eyes.
The only way that will reverse is if people stop buying from Huawei/honor, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
Going back to Apple, the only device I like from them is their MacBook Pro simply for it's trackpad as I love the features it offers, but as an OS? No I'm always the phone nor OSX can cut it Vs Windows/Android..
And would you pay £2,500 for the privilege of using their trackpad? No I'd rather buy a top gaming rig.
It'll always be this way, Jesus iOS just got widgets lmfao,, welcome to 2007 Apple, haha.
And you think is better? You must be joking.