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I’ve always been an early adopter…whether it was audio equipment, computers, mobile phones, software and most recently, smart watches. I’ve been researching and monitoring the progress of these devices since they first started to hit the market. My first smart watch was the Sony Smartwatch, which I returned after about a week…a move I would later question. My second attempt was the Basis Carbon Steel and then I finally got the Samsung Galaxy Gear. None of these did everything I wanted and quite frankly, I’m not sure any single watch ever will…because I want features that conflict with each other. On one hand, I want a stylish metal watch that is classy looking with a suit and provides me with notifications at a glance. On the other hand, I want a fitness watch that has every sensor known to man, has built in gps and will let me listen to music through my Bluetooth headphones without having to lug my phone around. I realize that means I’m going to have to own two distinctly different smart watches. However, there is one feature that EVERY smart watch should have…but none do, as yet. The one thing that I’ve found to be lacking on every smart watch is a sensor that tells it when it’s being worn…and when it’s not. When I’m wearing my watch, I love having it notify me of a new text or email. However, when I put it on my nightstand every night, right next to my smart phone…I don’t need it to vibrate across the surface every time my phone notification goes off…it’s redundant and unnecessary. Additionally, on some models when you finally do put your watch back on the next morning, you still have to clear all the notifications that came through overnight…even though you’ve already cleared them on your phone. So, in my humble opinion, no smart watch is truly smart unless it knows when it’s being used and when it’s not! If I'm wrong and one exists, please let me know.
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I’ve always been an early adopter…whether it was audio equipment, computers, mobile phones, software and most recently, smart watches. I’ve been researching and monitoring the progress of these devices since they first started to hit the market. My first smart watch was the Sony Smartwatch, which I returned after about a week…a move I would later question. My second attempt was the Basis Carbon Steel and then I finally got the Samsung Galaxy Gear. None of these did everything I wanted and quite frankly, I’m not sure any single watch ever will…because I want features that conflict with each other. On one hand, I want a stylish metal watch that is classy looking with a suit and provides me with notifications at a glance. On the other hand, I want a fitness watch that has every sensor known to man, has built in gps and will let me listen to music through my Bluetooth headphones without having to lug my phone around. I realize that means I’m going to have to own two distinctly different smart watches. However, there is one feature that EVERY smart watch should have…but none do, as yet. The one thing that I’ve found to be lacking on every smart watch is a sensor that tells it when it’s being worn…and when it’s not. When I’m wearing my watch, I love having it notify me of a new text or email. However, when I put it on my nightstand every night, right next to my smart phone…I don’t need it to vibrate across the surface every time my phone notification goes off…it’s redundant and unnecessary. Additionally, on some models when you finally do put your watch back on the next morning, you still have to clear all the notifications that came through overnight…even though you’ve already cleared them on your phone. So, in my humble opinion, no smart watch is truly smart unless it knows when it’s being used and when it’s not! If I'm wrong and one exists, please let me know.
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Check A.I Watch it have almost all the features that you are describing
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edwmsjr said:
I’ve always been an early adopter…whether it was audio equipment, computers, mobile phones, software and most recently, smart watches. I’ve been researching and monitoring the progress of these devices since they first started to hit the market. My first smart watch was the Sony Smartwatch, which I returned after about a week…a move I would later question. My second attempt was the Basis Carbon Steel and then I finally got the Samsung Galaxy Gear. None of these did everything I wanted and quite frankly, I’m not sure any single watch ever will…because I want features that conflict with each other. On one hand, I want a stylish metal watch that is classy looking with a suit and provides me with notifications at a glance. On the other hand, I want a fitness watch that has every sensor known to man, has built in gps and will let me listen to music through my Bluetooth headphones without having to lug my phone around. I realize that means I’m going to have to own two distinctly different smart watches. However, there is one feature that EVERY smart watch should have…but none do, as yet. The one thing that I’ve found to be lacking on every smart watch is a sensor that tells it when it’s being worn…and when it’s not. When I’m wearing my watch, I love having it notify me of a new text or email. However, when I put it on my nightstand every night, right next to my smart phone…I don’t need it to vibrate across the surface every time my phone notification goes off…it’s redundant and unnecessary. Additionally, on some models when you finally do put your watch back on the next morning, you still have to clear all the notifications that came through overnight…even though you’ve already cleared them on your phone. So, in my humble opinion, no smart watch is truly smart unless it knows when it’s being used and when it’s not! If I'm wrong and one exists, please let me know.
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It's a very good point. It would save battery life too as it's using less processing when it's not worn.
A smart watch should have as much useful sensors as they can pack in it to make it smart.
A notification LED like the one in the Sony and other mobiles would be useful for saving battery life, you don't have too keep turning the screen on.
As smart watches become more popular they will need Apps without adverts due to the screen size.
Five likely solutions.
Contact switch (requires physical skin contact to work)
Pressure switch (if pressure on back of watch is above X = on)
Heart rate sensor (if detect heart beat then on)
Temperature Sensor (If temp is greater than X = on)
Magswitch in clasp (when clasp is closed device is "On")
Only the Pressure and Heart Rate and Magswitch are viable and would provide the fewest issues. First four would eat battery, the fifth would run into issues if near a magnetic source.
Everything else is doable, and with a transflective or E-Ink/Mirasol display, a notification light is not needed but can see where it would be nice.
Also think that this cam craze is stupid. A 480P front facing would be of far more use than some tiny um 5MP sensor camera mounted elsewhere. It could then also be used as an ambient light sensor facilitating auto brightness.
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I’ve always been an early adopter…whether it was audio equipment, computers, mobile phones, software and most recently, smart watches. I’ve been researching and monitoring the progress of these devices since they first started to hit the market. My first smart watch was the Sony Smartwatch, which I returned after about a week…a move I would later question. My second attempt was the Basis Carbon Steel and then I finally got the Samsung Galaxy Gear. None of these did everything I wanted and quite frankly, I’m not sure any single watch ever will…because I want features that conflict with each other. On one hand, I want a stylish metal watch that is classy looking with a suit and provides me with notifications at a glance. On the other hand, I want a fitness watch that has every sensor known to man, has built in gps and will let me listen to music through my Bluetooth headphones without having to lug my phone around. I realize that means I’m going to have to own two distinctly different smart watches. However, there is one feature that EVERY smart watch should have…but none do, as yet. The one thing that I’ve found to be lacking on every smart watch is a sensor that tells it when it’s being worn…and when it’s not. When I’m wearing my watch, I love having it notify me of a new text or email. However, when I put it on my nightstand every night, right next to my smart phone…I don’t need it to vibrate across the surface every time my phone notification goes off…it’s redundant and unnecessary. Additionally, on some models when you finally do put your watch back on the next morning, you still have to clear all the notifications that came through overnight…even though you’ve already cleared them on your phone. So, in my humble opinion, no smart watch is truly smart unless it knows when it’s being used and when it’s not! If I'm wrong and one exists, please let me know.
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You need a Pebble bro.
Has DND settings for night time, syncs to phone notifications. I'm using mine on jailbroken i5 and smartwatch+ lets me reply to notifications from the watch, call people. Has massive battery life. Pebble Steel is stylish and functional. I have a Pebble (original) with a wide leather band, looks sweet.
Only thing it can't do is prevent you lugging your phone about, but the BT range on the pebble is about 20-30m in my experience, so you may get away with it at the gym/home/office. I know i can walk to the printer and such at work without my phone, or make a coffee. And at home i can leave the iphone in a dock to play, and change songs and volume while doing the dishes. (yep. pebble is waterproof.)
Got mine second hand for $80. what have you got to lose :victory:
Talking about sensors... http://m.europe.wsj.com/articles/apple-plans-multiple-designs-for-smartwatch-1403245062?mobile=y
Apple's rumoured watch packed with sensors. Wonder if it'll be truly smart. Even if it's the 'best watch' you'll need to buy an iPhone to use it until they find a hack for it.
... how about a pebble like watch but with WiFi, GPS and packed with sensors. The battery wouldn't 't last as long if you use the WiFi. But if you don't then it should last just as long. And an option to have a cam in the strap or no cam at all.
As mentioned above the perfect watch is not one watch, but perhaps two.
1. A non sim pebble like with better battery life with IP67. With loads of sensors!
2. Sim watch transflective colour screen packed with features but shorter battery life and not IP67. With loads of sensors!
Either way the traditional way of opening an app for a specific need will be replaced with a totally new way of accessing info. An ambient service that automatically brings info to your screen as you change your environment. Morning + at home = daily schedule, traffic news, work email only, weather... Etc. At home at evening = personal emails only, audio player, instagram... Etc. Opening an App will be phased out.
Google glasses is doing it already. Android wear is aiming for it.
And when these 'hyperaware' wearable start sensing and working with other hyperaware wearables... that's when the fun really begins.
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Off topic slightly, I've asked the Moderators to make a forum or thread for general smartwatch discussion, I thought to have it next to where the Sony, pebble, Samsung and other Smart watch is... At the uppermost level. I've asked them to let me know if they agree or not. Let's see what they say.
So I purchased my LG G Watch about 10 seconds after they were made available. I've been using it basically since I/O and love it, but one use-case I've had in mind since they first started talking about them is functionally broken at the moment, and I think it would require a change to Android Wear to make it better (though I'm not certain).
I ride my motorcycle whenever possible -- basically anytime the temperature is 50+ and it's dry outside, I'm on the bike. I wear gear, including gloves, so navigation is generally an annoyance. GPS units made for motorcycles are ridiculously expensive (a $100 GPS for cars is around $500 when made for motorcycle use, for basically just a bit of water-resistance). From the time I first started hearing about Wear (and because of the images Motorola was showing) I've been craving the idea of being able to look at my watch to see my navigation info. The images Motorola had shown (and others), basically worked just like Google Maps navigation, but in reality it doesn't work like that at all.
The biggest problem is that raising the watch turns the screen on, but the card is still minimized. This is *completely* useless for people actually operating any type of vehicle (whether it be a motorcycle, car, or even pedal-bike), since it requires someone to use both hands to operate. Even worse, many times those directions don't even have a distance or any type of visible indicator on what's ahead. I don't have a picture example at the moment, but generally it says "Turn Left at Market St" or something, but with no idea how far that point is.
Any ideas here from people that know more on whether this could be fixed in Maps or would require a more low-level change to Wear? This is my only complaint, but it's a somewhat big one...it's one of the main reasons I was looking forward to Wear, and the functionality is almost useless in implementation.
This seems promising: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dheera.wearmaps
for you can think about this:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...igogo-goal-in-less-than-an-hour-after-launch/
I am considering a smartwatch for this very reason. Now that you've had it for a while, is it useful or at least better? If you are riding and traffic sucks, will it suggest faster routes? Can you dismiss things, and respond to a message (while stopped) with gloves on?
I was thinking about getting one mostly for occasional nav (I've gotten really good at finding my way around without nav since going 2-wheeled full time), traffic updates, and to see if whoever is calling me is worth pulling over for.
So, this is my first day with this phone, but I have already discovered a lot of things. I will keep this thread updated, though, as I discover more of it on my journey to enlightenment.
Also bear in mind that just before this, I was the owner of an LG G2, so some of the things will be more of a comparison on the user friendliness LG offers.
Key features
Size: At least for me, this is the sweet spot. “Once you go Compact, you’ll never go back.” :laugh:
Glass: Feeling. It’s a smooth surface. You’ll want to be able to embrace it all you can all day.
Border: Grip usefulness. If you hold your smart phone from its borders, it’ll be a sure bet it’d never let go of you.
Microphone: The other end of the call hears what it’s said so clearly, it’s scary. Once it sounded as if the person was on the ring.
Camera: Have yet to try under low-light conditions, but at noon, this camera shined. I was complimented at wok for its effective resolution.
Middle ground
Buttons layout: Hardware and software buttons. I don’t know you, but I think this phone was made for left handed. Whenever I use my right hand, I don’t know, I feel my thump is all cramped in there trying to change volume, while if I use my left hand, oh, boy, it all feels natural, and no more cramping. The good side of this is I’ve learned to use my left hand more. Definitely the best uni-hand setup is that of the LG G2. With buttons behind the phone, both hands are equally free to work with them.
Front speakers: Sound is loud, but I found it to be muffled. I can only guess it’s due to its water/dust proof nature. To be honest, I never use the phone’s own speakers that much. Almost never on any phone I’ve owned so far.
Applications: I totally hate it they have bundled some of the worst widgets/applications I’ve seen, ever. “What’s New”... really? Yet, there are some useful or nice one, at least to me: Album, Walkman, PlayStation, and others.
Disadvantages
Glass: Coating is awful. I once a long time ago thought the my HTC Desire was the King of smudges and fingerprints. Guess what? We got a new champion...! Seriously, I’m thankful I bought the White version,which makes the back of the phone appear as clear as it could be, while only the front suffers totally from it. In just five minutes of constant usage (like in a game, or scrolling and archiving Tweets), the front glass was kinda “oily”, and you could see smudges everywhere. Also you know what? It’s slippery has hell. Never, ever, before, have I encountered a surface as slipper as these glasses. Words cannot describe how much that is.
LED Flash: It’s the worst. As for hardware, the darn thing “bleeds” light before it even leaves the case of the phone. I mean, Sony, seriously? This is totally unacceptable. I’m even thinking on returning it if only because of this. I tried the Flashlight notification widget, and the Torch application itself: total disaster. They are so dim, it looks as if they didn’t want us to use the “phone” as a flashlight. Yet, I discovered, the LED Flash can go even brighter. I noticed it while taking a picture in low-light conditions.
System navigation bar: No way to change it, even with some default presets. The LG G2 had this. For example I don’t use the Recents button much, but I do A LOT “switch back to previous application” option back on my HTC Desire with an application that would let me set such things up, like behavior when long pressing such buttons as well.
Permanent notifications: For some reason, some applications like Lifelog and My Data Manager create a kind of immortal notification on the Notifications Bar.
I’m pretty tired at the moment. I’ll try to update tomorrow morning with what’s missing or to try to answer other questions. Feel free to comment your own while I do so.
We're in the same boat bud.... Coming from a lg g2 to a white z3 compact. Feeling about the same too. I really would like to know your take on the battery life as this is one of the main reasons for me to switch. But it's still early so take your time and let us know.
Well, the LG G2 was a battery power house on its own. I made it to 72 hours once, but using only LTE and stock AT&T ROM. Wi-Fi disabled.
I’ll report back this weekend when I reach 1%.
Wow! Mine never reached 50 hours.
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I got my compact about a month ago, I love it
The only annoyance I see is the location of the buttons on the right side, when holding the phone during a call my fingers struggle to find a spot to hold the phone.
I think they should move the power and volume buttons further up
Falconzar said:
I got my compact about a month ago, I love it
The only annoyance I see is the location of the buttons on the right side, when holding the phone during a call my fingers struggle to find a spot to hold the phone.
I think they should move the power and volume buttons further up
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I never had such a problem. In the end it will never be okay for everyone, since we're all different.
mab71 said:
We're in the same boat bud.... Coming from a lg g2 to a white z3 compact. Feeling about the same too. I really would like to know your take on the battery life as this is one of the main reasons for me to switch. But it's still early so take your time and let us know.
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Alright, just reached 1% this morning. Check the attached images for details.
So, details of my analysis:
I didn’t use STAMINA mode. I will do so on my next testing session.
Most connectivity services were enabled all the time: NFC, mobile data and Wi-Fi. Also my preferred data option was LTE first, so take that into account as well. Bluetooth was disabled. I had the Location-based Wi-Fi option, so Wi-Fi would turn off if I wasn’t near any of my saved Wi-Fi locations. I think this is one of those smart options. I like it.
Looks like Facebook applications, it seems no matter which one, don’t do smart push notifications. It is ALWAYS using background data checking. I’ll be sure to disable Facebook on STAMINA mode next time. I use WhatsApp, but WhatsApp looks like it knows how to properly work with Push Notifications. That is, it’s not a battery drainer.
Kind of the same thing for the Swarm application.
Some applications consume data and hence battery only because of some “active” widgets I got on my home screens, like Walkman. I will profile and optimize them accordingly. I pretty much left all the widgets there from stock start up. Only deleted What’s New widget.
You see that the screen is what took most of the battery, yet I find it strange it doesn’t really indicate the applications I was using precisely. I mean, of course the screen was needed so I could see the applications, but I find it weird that, for example, I navigated through the Facebook application for like an hour, yet neither the video watching nor scrolling seemed to have taken a battery hit according to the Battery usage diagnostics. I need to dig deeper.
I did some gaming, but it was a lightweight game, Bubble Blast 2. I will try some more serious gaming later on. I’m setting up my old MyBoy! GBA emulator like I had it on my previous phone. It’s just that I live in another city from before, and now the commuting time is shorter, which was mostly the time when I used it.
Alright, that’s it for battery report.
I will sit down this weekend and try to truly optimize my work flow this time, so next tests are, as much as they can be, more accurate.
I’d wish more people commented. I’m truly offended no reviewers ANYWHERE I’ve read (outside these forums, I mean) have commented on things like the bleeding LED flash, the REAL slippery status of the glass (where they have mentioned it, they make it sound as a minor thing, and that it is NOT) and stuff like that.
Thanks!
No, THANK YOU! A very good and detailed review on battery life. I will keep checking in here to follow your findings. Thanks again.
Hello back.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t quite finish my whole homework. It’s been 2 days, 7 hours of battery running (29% left), I’ll admit most of it the device has been idle, so:
I didn’t fully optimize my workflow.
Haven’t reached 1% yet.
Still, I wanted to report some things I’ve noticed:
Wi-Fi drains your battery like hell. Even with the location-based settings, forget it. It’s better to enable it only for application updates or when you need to download something big. Leave even the weather updates to your mobile network.
Can’t tell for real if 4G (HSPA+)consumes less battery than LTE, to be honest. I’m always on LTE, and it is awesome.
Enable Ultra-STAMINA mode when you go to sleep. It’s a huge saver, and seriously, if you want to sleep, disable interruptions. Probably its activation can be automated with something like IFTTT or Tasker to be enabled at midnight.
Not exactly sure if the Extended standby option of the normal STAMINA mode actually works. Supposedly it disables Mobile and Wi-Fi networks when the screen is off, but whenever I turn it on, the network icons are there immediately, like they’ve never been disabled. At least Wi-Fi icon should take a second or two to appear, instead of being immediately there.
Disabled Lifelog, which was taking a lot of battery after the Screen.
Alright, that’s it for now. Let’s keep walking the path.
On my Z3c the WiFi doesn't drain the battery.. Odd. For the disabling / enabling it's super fast because of the integration of the chip
For example my SBH-80 connects in one second top or even less when my s4 needs 4 or 5 seconds to do the same. Even on the Z Ultra it takes up to 2 seconds.
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On my Z3c the WiFi doesn't drain the battery.. Odd. For the disabling / enabling it's super fast because of the integration of the chip
For example my SBH-80 connects in one second top or even less when my s4 needs 4 or 5 seconds to do the same. Even on the Z Ultra it takes up to 2 seconds.
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Hmm... well, to me, compared to having Mobile data enabled, Wi-Fi drains the battery more.
Nice to know about the instant connection. My package also came with an SBH20. Gotta try what you said.
Thanks.
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Hmm... well, to me, compared to having Mobile data enabled, Wi-Fi drains the battery more.
Nice to know about the instant connection. My package also came with an SBH20. Gotta try what you said.
Thanks.
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What's an SBH20?
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Hmm... well, to me, compared to having Mobile data enabled, Wi-Fi drains the battery more.
Nice to know about the instant connection. My package also came with an SBH20. Gotta try what you said.
Thanks.
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What, you got a SBH-20 (FYI mab71 it's a Bluetooth Handset ) IN your package ? In the french package the isn't even a pair of Sony MH-750 for the headset, it's just a old pair of headphone that came from '90
It's odd about the WiFi / LTE Because the LTE is known to drain more battery than WiFi in most situation. Do you have a good WiFi signal ? Maybe you could try to change the canal on your modem to optimize your signal, if it become stronger it would be better for the phone and then not pumping too much. But 2-3% a night is not so much anyway
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What, you got a SBH-20 (FYI mab71 it's a Bluetooth Handset ) IN your package ? In the french package the isn't even a pair of Sony MH-750 for the headset, it's just a old pair of headphone that came from '90
It's odd about the WiFi / LTE Because the LTE is known to drain more battery than WiFi in most situation. Do you have a good WiFi signal ? Maybe you could try to change the canal on your modem to optimize your signal, if it become stronger it would be better for the phone and then not pumping too much. But 2-3% a night is not so much anyway
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****! Mine is the old 90s one
I've also come from the g2.had the z3c for over a month now and I do miss a few things. The g2 screen was simply awesome and the led flash light was blinding. The battery is better for me on the z3c, I always have stamina turned on. Unplug at 7 am and by midnight I can still be at 85%. That's with just a bit of usage though. It's also better when I really hammer the battery too (ingress)
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For instance, in the Italian Package, there is a MH-750 headset AND a and OTG cable. I'm not jocking at all, I was astonished when i saw this, especially when the price is lower than for the French people !
I've received today the MDR-NC31EM, it's worth the money, really (30-35 bucks)
Yeah, it might be the signal is bad (although it appears full), but in all instances I’ve witnessed, Wi-Fi drains more battery than my LTE.
Going back to STAMINA, I find its behavior unreliable. I enabled the Extended standby, and I made sure to exclude Facebook from the White listed applications to use background data connection, yet I still keep getting notifications from it. Also on the Developer options, in Process Stats, Facebook keeps getting a 100% runtime, mostly from its MqttPushService service.
I think I will still keep STAMINA on all the time, but I find it weird. I will search these forums for other people’s experience with it, otherwise it’d be wise to create a new Thread just to research into this.
By the way, Greg2Lu, no, the SBH-20 didn’t come IN the package. I bought my phone from my country’s online Sony Store. I paid more than USA price for it, but I thought it was normal imports system ripping me off, which isn’t unusual in my country, but I wanted the phone anyways (and the warranty, should I need it and receive it). What happened was that I received three packages with my purchase: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (White), an SBH-20 headset, and a 5000 mAh CycleEnergy portable charger. The attached invoice mentioned the correct prices for each item. I would have preferred if they had simply sold me the phone for what it was, instead of bundling me with stuff I didn’t need and making me pay for it. The phone box DID come with a set of MH410c, though, but I bet they are crap, and I already got a good headset anyways.
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Yeah, it might be the signal is bad (although it appears full), but in all instances I’ve witnessed, Wi-Fi drains more battery than my LTE.
Going back to STAMINA, I find its behavior unreliable. I enabled the Extended standby, and I made sure to exclude Facebook from the White listed applications to use background data connection, yet I still keep getting notifications from it. Also on the Developer options, in Process Stats, Facebook keeps getting a 100% runtime, mostly from its MqttPushService service.
I think I will still keep STAMINA on all the time, but I find it weird. I will search these forums for other people’s experience with it, otherwise it’d be wise to create a new Thread just to research into this.
By the way, Greg2Lu, no, the SBH-20 didn’t come IN the package. I bought my phone from my country’s online Sony Store. I paid more than USA price for it, but I thought it was normal imports system ripping me off, which isn’t unusual in my country, but I wanted the phone anyways (and the warranty, should I need it and receive it). What happened was that I received three packages with my purchase: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (White), an SBH-20 headset, and a 5000 mAh CycleEnergy portable charger. The attached invoice mentioned the correct prices for each item. I would have preferred if they had simply sold me the phone for what it was, instead of bundling me with stuff I didn’t need and making me pay for it. The phone box DID come with a set of MH410c, though, but I bet they are crap, and I already got a good headset anyways.
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Go to settings, data usage, scroll down until you find both facebook and Facebook messenger and untick allow background data. This will stop facebook from updating.
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[*]Permanent notifications: For some reason, some applications like Lifelog and My Data Manager create a kind of immortal notification on the Notifications Bar.
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dude, just deactivate it for these apps, its a checkbox in the app details. Confirmed working for Life Log, thanks for this tip anyway
IMHO, its not an upgrade from G2.
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Go to settings, data usage, scroll down until you find both facebook and Facebook messenger and untick allow background data. This will stop facebook from updating.
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No, I don’t want to disable background data checking forever, that’s why I set specific rules for STAMINA (only when screen is off), problem is somehow Facebook applications seem to skip that.
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dude, just deactivate it for these apps, its a checkbox in the app details. Confirmed working for Life Log, thanks for this tip anyway
IMHO, its not an upgrade from G2.
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I see what you mean. I found another way to disable it through Settings -> Personalization -> Manage notifications.
And yes, it is definitely not an upgrade. I traded screen resolution for more battery (or at least a longer lasting phone), but boy, I couldn’t be happier. A day of full usage, chatting and video and stuff, 18 hours. That’s awesome.
I’m gonna be keeping this baby for a long time.
Hi,
I was searching for a Smartwatch and ended in ordering a (Chinese) Lemfo LF16 with full Android 5.1, ...
Interesting for me was that it seems to be a nice watch, smartphone functions, all connectivities possible and also some health function like pedometer, etc.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Watch LF16
Someone else having this one and already experience?
What are you thinking of this watch?
When I receive my, I will post feedback...
Thanks
giovanne
I'm anxious to hear more from people on this, and if there are any hacks and such for it. I dreadfully searched for days for the standalone smartwatch that was best for me, in the price range of this thing, and settled on this one for it's quick access sim slot (I will be alternating between this and the Nexus 5X), loud speaker (which is on the side, not on the wrist/bottom) because I need to hear my notifications), big screen, and not overly geeky looks. Hopefully it's as good as it seams and I don't regret my choice!
Well,
Here is a quick list of what I have discovered so far. Depending on what you will be using it for, you will either really love it or really hate it!
I'm using it mostly for the Bluetooth MP3 player features in addition to the basic watch.
Pros
• Nice design ala "Gear S3
• I can finally walk down the street with my Bluetooth music playing and swinging my arms without intermittent cutting out!
• The Bluetooth sound reproduction is really good even with stock player.
• Speaker nice and load.
• The weather update now works using your phone data and no longer request that you turn on your GPS.
• Access Sim with requiring the removal of back cover.
• Got rid of the ugly backgrounds within Notification screen, just a sweet black (well almost black)
Cons
• Operating system seems very beta as it has the most ugly watch faces ever released for a Lemfo Android watch, and leaves us with only 2 tolerable faces (hence incomplete OS)
• Unable to load up custom watch faces via "Clockskin any more.
• Watchstrap LUGS have been removed so not custom watch strap mods
• Silver bezel only comes with white band.
• Watch strap is very flimsy compared to the silicone strap available with the X3 Plus
• Watch is toted as, "Ultra thin" but it is not. The bezel is low profile, but there is more to the body although beveled in, so the watch has an unattractive umbrella look to it.
• Bezel is not stainless steel but some other lighter metal, maybe Aluminum or Titanium Alloy, so the quality feels almost Toy like. (so don't bump it!) My X5 still rules!
• Lemfo cut cost by providing a less than adequate charging cable that has poor magnet strength.
• I bought two of these watches and only one of the chargers worked. (Murphy's Law)
• When booting to recovery, there is no way to navigate the menu as it only has one button
• When navigating some of the app functions user is unable to adjust a function that requires swiping as this brings you back to a previous screen (Try to increase the volume by swiping without backing out of the function!
• Still unable to add App widgets to existing basic three (weather, fitness, music etc)
• Some screens don't allow you to go one step back by swiping right, but instead you have to press the power button and start again.
• At times "Data" connection seems to keep turning it self off. I think it happens after phone goes to sleep for a period of time, but the function to disable "turning off the data" is no longer within the "Display" section.
• Screen is promoted as, "Amoled" but the blacks still appear back-lit!
Enable Data
Update,
Enabling data now has its own icon within the quick access screen. I think that I was disabling this, not knowing what it was and therefore concluded that the data was turning itself off.
Thanks for the really good and detailled feedback.
I got mine LF16 also in the meantime.
Overall I can agree with you "Star_Inc".
For my first tests and usage I only want to use it as "normal" clock/watch and to try the pedometer.
For the first tests and to have max. bat-life I use the watch in Flightmode without (GPS, GSM, WLAN,...)
For the normal clock I tested with custom ClockFace handling.
- apk - Clockfaces available for the KW88 clock will work on the LF16 too
- "ClockSkin" folder method works with e.g. the (standalone) launcher/app from Eric: http://roundandroidwatches.proboards.com/thread/267/standalone-clockskin-engine-apk-version
First pedometer tests where ok - will go on testing
Bluetooth with my Oneplus 3 Smartphone is working (but I don't like all the notifications on the watch)
Bluetooth filetransfer from Smartphone to LF16 is working (e.g. useful when transfering a new apk to the watch)
The suggested APP WiWear(SinWear) for the phone to connect is "horrible"!
I will go on testing...
does anyone know how i enabled syncing?
What about GPS accuracy? And battery life?.
Hey Guys
I have already received my watch i agree with stark_inc, but i see the quality of the bezel is good
the overall feedback after 2 days is good, except 2 things
1. the terrific support program WiiWear (SinWear), this is the only way to connect the watch to my phone, unfortunately failed to connect it to Android Wear, MediaTEK Smart Device or Fundo, i hope some body helps with this
2. i cant add more watch faces also
for battery life it is ok to keep in your hand 1 day (provided you don't go through it many), thickness is ok, i think it was to be better if it is 1.3" instead of 1.39"
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Daisuke1988 said:
does anyone know how i enabled syncing?
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Only i can sync the watch to the phone through the rubbish program WiiWear
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Hav4k said:
What about GPS accuracy? And battery life?.
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if you are going to use it much, it won't go with you for 1 day
turning off wifi will support battery significantly
GPS is ok i get my location exactly
Hey Guys
I tried ClockSkin Launcher and it is working fine
the major issue for me now that i cannot connect the watch to the phone except via this very poor WiiConnect (SinaWear) app, even it doesn't sync the steps and it really fool app, i hope someone can help how we connect the watch to Apps like Android Wear or any other useful app!
I'm Working On Something Wonderful!
Hey ladies and gentlemen,
If you are an owner of a LF16 or KW88 or LEM3 or BLITZ you are aware of the annoying inconsistent configuration of their custom watchface implication, and as a result some have been pulling their hair out trying to devise of ways to accomplish this the caliber of ClockSkin.
My solution is to do away with the entire operating system and install a ROM that supports native ClockSkin.
This work is in progress, but if successful we can then do away with this line of watches headaches, and focus our creativity to produce ClockSkin compatible faces.
I'll keep you updated!
And yes, this is a custom LF16 hardware!
@Stark_Inc, hey man, if you can do that, kudos, I'll try it out. Can you elaborate on what you're doing, other than making a ROM for these phones? What is it based on? Stock? Or using LF16 rom and just editing the watchface handling?
I think a new ROM is certainly not a bad idea if it can be done - it may allow us to more easily fix the rest of the problems, which I agree are many.
I'm soooo disappointed with this thing (LF16). I chose it because of the easy access of the SIM card because I thought I'd like to swap between phone and this, but the battery life, if the watch is used, SUCKS, and charging "in the field" is pointless given how lousy the connection is (bad format anyway). Starting to think what I would have preferred isn't a full android watch in the first place - but more like Android Wear. I'm really hoping people who are smarter than me save the day with new ROMs and other fixes to make it worth owning.
I didn't spend 100 bucks for a watch. I honestly don't care a whole lot for watches (jewelry in general), I paid for a smart device. What is the point if you can't use it all day - which you can't. You can use it as a watch all day. I haven't had the guts to try it with my sim card yet. I doubt it would be much better. But turning off BT and WiFi certainly improved battery life by a TON. But what's the point?
I thought it would be easy to find a replacement companion app for this thing (for smartphone) but nothing works with it. Even the one they want you to use is not only **** even it if it worked, but for me crashes (Nexus 5X with 7.1.1) ever time it connects. I can't track fitness for ****. Even Google Fit - um, where's the heart-rate data collection? I tried apps both directly on the watch and the Nexus - nothing seems to collect historic data.
I think some of my problems are more with "stand-alone Android" watches more then the LF16, but since this is my first, I could be wrong.
KW88/LF16 Lite and Clean
So i'm moving away from my original idea of porting a "ClockSkin" friendly rom, and instead I am working to make the KW88/LF16 Rom more cleaner, lite'r and battery friendly. In fact, I have sought of started to make the UI more like the GEAR S3. I'll keep you posted.
Oh. I've also installed my own clock face of preference within the existing WatchApp engine, and I am sure I should be able to activate other dormant faces in the future.
someone try to add this keyboard ? https://www.kickstarter.com/project...oard-the-first-dedicated-smartwatch-k?lang=fr
i'm looking to a faces like this too, i love one hand watch
Stark_Inc said:
Hey ladies and gentlemen,
If you are an owner of a LF16 or KW88 or LEM3 or BLITZ you are aware of the annoying inconsistent configuration of their custom watchface implication, and as a result some have been pulling their hair out trying to devise of ways to accomplish this the caliber of ClockSkin.
My solution is to do away with the entire operating system and install a ROM that supports native ClockSkin.
This work is in progress, but if successful we can then do away with this line of watches headaches, and focus our creativity to produce ClockSkin compatible faces.
I'll keep you updated!
And yes, this is a custom LF16 hardware!
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This should be great!
One question, KW88 watch is almost (except camera) the same HW than LF16, Do you Know if it's possible to flash KW88 ROMs in LF16?. Support for KW88 seems to be much better than LF16.
Small back from this watch I have for less than a week, the battery holds about 8 hours, without playing too much, black screen, not the needles in permanent lighting, I hope the arrival of a rom by Stark_Inc It would be really good, optimize the duration of the battery, make that one can further decrease the brightness, I have a sim card in and the data connections active. If not, I find it beautiful. I would like the screen to display the hours all the time, with a duration of 10 hours would really bein, is it a dream? I am on the orange network france.
Hi, I'm waiting form my LF16 to arrive (I guess I would go with the LEM5 for the 1GB of RAM, but I've noticed it after my watch was shipped ),
I'm spending my time planning my actions with itm so...
- Is kingoroot working on this watch to gain root access?
- is it possible (and needed) to activate swap on this watch?
- any list of mods/customization existing - maybe a new thread, or a sticky?
I hope people can make this watch worth the money, as I read it is not really that good....
Hi. I got this smartwatch for my son for xmas and I have not being able to get a pre-pay service provider to get a sim card for it. my son does not have a cell phone that is why we got him the watch but where ever i take it they say that wont work with their network. Can somebody please help me to finish with my son xmas present.
Thank you
Hi ,
The watch work with : 3G WCDMA 850/2100 ; 2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 quad-bandes Network .
You have to find the telephone company that uses its frequencies .
Has anyone though about installing a bigger battery on this watch? I have seen some on eBay up to 1200ma. This would definitely sort out the battery problems but I have no idea whether or not they are safe to install or even what type of battery this watch uses as I haven't opened it up.
Something I was thinking about doing but not sure if it can be done
Hi Karl, can you send me the links to the ebay store please ? tnx , now the automnomy of my watch the 3 / 4 days are 5 hours max !
Last night I got one of those cheap Chinese smartwatches for $40 locally. (Amazon seems to have some for $20 at amzn.to/2qpSftK) Yeah I know, I know, but I work at a job that is anal about cell phones (a major gripe of mine the way places can be that way) and I need to know if my child's ride at school doesn't show up or if school lets out early due to a power outage etc, if that happens then I HAVE to pause what I'm doing and make a call or two to make pickup arrangements or else it's a legal issue of child abandonment. Such may only happen 2-3 times an entire school year, but it has happened a few times--my mother-in-law's battery was dead and she was running late, or she couldn't find her keys etc--in such cases I had to track down someone locally and get them to step-in, last minute.
Thus, I need a smartwatch which can relay calls which have come in so I can see them and it also needs to push SMS messages and let me reply to them, that way without even pulling my phone out of my pocket I will know if this has occurred (and can quickly reply to SMS) but I can otherwise keep my phone in my pocket knowing beyond any shadow of a doubt that if a call or SMS has come in, this watch WILL pick it up and I WILL be able to reply to them.
This watch I got, it is fine with relaying phone calls and it even relayed the audio from a YouTube video I was watching on the phone itself, but it WILL NOT WORK with relaying SMS. At first it did, such requires installing a "BT Notifier" on the phone (which is the best?) but even then it was hit or miss, and then it just stopped. I've done EVERYTHING in terms of different BT Notifier apps, I even scanned the "OCR Code" or whatever to point to the BT Notifier specific to that model (it appears to be a GT08 type, with the "fan" style of icons, menu/phone on the bottom left and names/text on the right, this YouTube video Ksy0pd-12BI shows one like it), I set that app up--no matter, IT WILL NOT push SMS to this smartwatch, no way/no how.
Is this a common occurrence with such smartwatches? Is this a case of that I'm going to have to just accept this model CANNOT handle SMS no matter what and get something else, vs being able to actually fix this? One model I had read good things about in an article (BIT and 2lTVoxg) called the OUMAX Bluetooth Smart Watch S6 for around $50, this model looked like a good one because it downplays "fitness" features I do not at all need and instead stresses pushing smartphone notifications and being able to replay to them, which is what I DO need. I started to get it on Amazon but then it would've required several days to get here and I need something up & running quickly but without spending $250. Maybe I should've just gotten that and waited?
Tips in general?
If anyone has any tips please do reply, I am only say this because I have an update but that doesn't mean I am not still looking for help.
I've somehow got it working just fine, no timing out of connectivity or any such thing. I had saved the downloaded BT Notifier .apk file from the app it referenced in the barcode I scanned, and I tried again but this time I disabled an app I've used on the phone for a long time--NoLED, which displays a moving dot on the LCD when notifications arrive, making it unnecessary to "wake up" the phone to see missed calls etc. I've used that app for forever, it's a long-time staple of mine, but I wondered if it was possibly interfering with this process.
I'm not sure if that is the case, but since disabling it (but also turning the watch off and letting it charge to full overnight) it's working great today. I possibly could get beyond that eventually but for now I'll take it, I mean having a smartwatch does somewhat make it less necessary anyway. The only issue now--the band, it won't attach and it's apparently a permanent part of the watch's structure, not easily swapped out. I'm not sure how I'll get around that, maybe stitching another watch band on top of it using a sewing kit?
Ultimate Fix: Watch-Specific App/Disable/Install 3rd Party
I'm somewhat disappointed in the lack of replies. Is this because this watch is now perhaps an older model, or what is the reason?
In any case, I now have the ultimate fix.
It's 3 things:
(1) Install the watch-specific app by scanning the QR code and "sideloading" the app
(2) "Force Stop" this app in Google settings but DO NOT uninstall it, leave it installed.
(3) Install the 3rd party app by "Shenznen Fan Yun Technology Co, Ltd" (green background, white circle with exclamation point) then under the "Accessibility" enable the second "BT Notifications" entry, leave the 1st one at OFF
When I got this watch, the first thing I did was download that 3rd party app, it worked some but not consistently, then it totally stopped. I then stumbled across the QR code in the watch, scanned it, installed that app, and that worked--but that app was FULL of adware, constantly bugging me to install this app or that, launching a new tab and page in my Chrome browser, and just being a total pain. I was glad the watch worked, but hated that behavior--so much I disabled the app, figuring I'd just have to re-enable it when the watch was being used.
On a hunch, eager to try again, with the watch-specific app still disabled, I downloaded the 3rd party "Shenznen Fan Yun Technology Co, Ltd" app and, just totally guessing, under "accessibility" enabled the 2nd entry (both entries have identical names so you can't tell which is which), but didn't uninstall the watch-specific app only because I figured that I would end up having to revert back to it anyway.
To my surprise, this has worked. It seems to require me turning the watch off and connecting through the watch initially, but however I get a connection and the SMS message log on the phone populates on the watch, at that point it is stable and reliable from that point on. I had it running today all-day and was receiving texts and the inbox was coming up reliably.
I hope this helps somebody. (Note: this watch is still being sold as eBay item #381686066028.)