is there anyway to manually test if the camera is ok,some of the shots are grainy,ive cleaned the lens but apart from that i can't check and service centre is hundreds of miles from my home in glasgow
can you post an example of what you mean? Leica does tend to have grain to give it somewhat more of a "film" effect. is it the monochrome or colour lens?
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I have a problem with the focus of the camera in my hermes (vodafone vpa compact III). When i put the focus pin in macro postition i can make sharp photos from objects in a distance of ~10cm. When the switch is in the non macro mode objects between 40cm and 2meters got sharp. Everything behind 2meters gets unsharp again. This is quite disturbing because nearly everything one photographs is more distant than 2 meters. In order to get rid of this problem my dealer swapped the phone, but unfortunately the new one had the same problem. My question now is do all phones show this effect.
To illustrate the problem i have attached a photo that was taken at the maximum resolution of 1600x1200 (on lower resolutions the unsharpness slowly disappeares). The image is a 620x280 subarea of this picture.
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I have a problem with the focus of the camera in my hermes (vodafone vpa compact III). When i put the focus pin in macro postition i can make sharp photos from objects in a distance of ~10cm. When the switch is in the non macro mode objects between 40cm and 2meters got sharp. Everything behind 2meters gets unsharp again. This is quite disturbing because nearly everything one photographs is more distant than 2 meters. In order to get rid of this problem my dealer swapped the phone, but unfortunately the new one had the same problem. My question now is do all phones show this effect.
To illustrate the problem i have attached a photo that was taken at the maximum resolution of 1600x1200 (on lower resolutions the unsharpness slowly disappeares). The image is a 620x280 subarea of this picture.
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I have not seen this reported and it is not normal. However it would seem an amazing coincidence if you were to get two phones with an identical problem. Did you actually see the dealer swap the phones!
From the photo the bus appears in focus at one end and out of focus at the other. Given the bus is quite some distance away (I assume, and it's not a zoomed in photo) then from that picture it looks more like left side in focus, right side out of focus. (I appreciate the objects on the right are further away)
Have you got other photos that have objects at varying distances but not with objects that are near on one side and further away on the other. i.e looking straight down the street or such like.
Also can you confirm there was no zoom used.
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Have you cheked the settings? Maybe is on max resolution, but not the best quality.
Could you post the full image?
This link is for a picture that I took 4 days ago with my SVP M3100
I think is quite sharp.
http://www.karontes.plus.com/IMAGE_098.jpg
Try changing the quality from the camera settings..
hope this help
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here are some demo pictures all taken with the focus in non macro position:
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/22895/2003124511431707207_rs.jpg
http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/23579/2001735976619502914_rs.jpg
http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/25358/2001779240544331593_rs.jpg
Did you actually see the dealer swap the phones
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The new one has a new IMEI so it definitely is a new one.
Have you got other photos that have objects at varying distances but not with objects that are near on one side and further away on the other. i.e looking straight down the street or such like
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I will make one tomorrow. Currently it is dark outside.
Also can you confirm there was no zoom used
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the picture was taken from a 1600x1200 foto the complete foto is linked above
Maybe is on max resolution, but not the best quality.
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Settings are ok. The picture with the beer bottle looks fine. The problem only occurs at larger distances.
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here are some demo pictures all taken with the focus in non macro position:
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/22895/2003124511431707207_rs.jpg
http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/23579/2001735976619502914_rs.jpg
http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/25358/2001779240544331593_rs.jpg
The new one has a new IMEI so it definitely is a new one.
I will make one tomorrow. Currently it is dark outside.
the picture was taken from a 1600x1200 foto the complete foto is linked above
Settings are ok. The picture with the beer bottle looks fine. The problem only occurs at larger distances.
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Ok will see your photo(s) tomorrow. Meantime, I'm just trying to decide if those are typical of the sort of pictures I get if there is some wobble on taking the photo. (The Hermes is sensitive to this) I use the centre D-Pad button to take the photo (AKA action button). I squeeze it in and keep it in until photo is taken (ie. not a push and release action but a push only till photo shows up).
As yet difficult to say. Your last picture looks fine, the 2nd pic looks out of focus all over. So lets see some more tomorrow as you say. You can drink that bottle of booze while you are waiting
Mike
yeah I think the focus problem is due to shaking. You got to hold the phone STEADY for quite a while when taking a picture
try taking a picture with the phone resting on a table or flat surface, it will probably look a lot better.
Shaking
in order to avoid shaking all of the following photos where taken with the phone standing on the ground. I used the 10sec timer to take the photos so i did not need to touch the camera when it took the photo. the beer-bottle fotos (no i'm not addicted to alcohol ) show that at objects that are too close / too far got unsharp.
The outdoor photo was also taken with the phone standing still usung the timer. It nicely illustrates why i'am not satisfied with the quality of pictures taken by the camera.
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/22620/2004425661515948516_rs.jpg
http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/24390/2004494897534520551_rs.jpg
http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/24453/2004407138677399856_rs.jpg
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in order to avoid shaking all of the following photos where taken with the phone standing on the ground........
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OK for comparison purposes:
Here are 3 shots at medium resolution.
1. With Macro on
2.
With Camera toggle half way between Macro and Infinity
3
With Macro toggle set to Infinity - correct setting
From this it is clear your camera is not stuck on Macro mode as pic 1 above shows everything is very blurred.
From pic 3 we can see that there is an even level of focus throughout the picture - nothing pin sharp and nothing very blurry - what you might expect of infinity focus over a 15 ft range.
To me it looks as if your pics are between pics 2 and 3. ie. the camera Macro toggle is not rotating the lens fully towards the infinity setting. i.e. somewhere between pics 2 and 3 above.
I had thought your Macro toggle was not connecting but from your pics it seems it is rotating the lens to some extent but perhaps not fully.
However, I just took a 2meg pic outside and I'm not sure it's any better than yours?
Photobucket makes that lamp-post look a bit hairier than it is in the original but not much worse. ?? maybe you are expecting too much??
Mike
Anyone else noticed some kind of lens reflection problem at night photos?
Hope it's not design fault.
There's no scratches at lens and phone is only two weeks old!
Sample pictures attached:
Edit: yes lens flare is norma, but is it really normal that effect is so strong?
Take that same exact picture with a real digital camera and compare it before posting up another "issue" thread.
Seriously, people are picking straws now.
That's a known optical phenomenon which is called "FLARE". edit the title, this might get people anxious.
Lens flares is a problem optics struggle with. Even 1500 dollar lenses fail in this. But with special coating and sofisticated technology it can be less flares.
The only real solutions to prevent flares are:
a) dont point the lens to a direct light source (like the sun)
b) use a lense hood (on a phone?? hehe)
But you can in fact use your hand to shadow the lense to prevent this.
read more:
digital-photography-school.com/eliminating-lens-flare
My take on this:
Since night mode compensates with high ISO, it will get those lights more. Try covering the bright part.
This is absolutely normal for cheap camera with a very small lens and plastic cover.
high iso wont likely give you more flares, just more noice. Unfortunatly with almost all but real slr´s the software tries to hide this noice with cheap and lousy smooth-filters, creating a soft and cartoonish look
See the attached pictures
Anyone have the same issue with pictures having weird pattern/marks?
Also there are lens flare on the third picture taken with oneplus 2. I took it again at the same position with my zenfone 2 without any lens flare problem, in fact i don;t have any lens flare issue like this with my zenfone2. It seems that one plus 2 camera is easier to have those lens flares maybe due its design (the distance between the glass, the lens and the sensor )??I don't know.... Im not familiar with optical physics..：p Is this a deflect with my camera or just a common issue with op2 camera?
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See the attached pictures
Anyone have the same issue with pictures having weird pattern/marks?
Also there are lens flare on the third picture taken with oneplus 2. I took it again at the same position with my zenfone 2 without any lens flare problem, in fact i don;t have any lens flare issue like this with my zenfone2. Is this a deflect with my camera or just a common issue with op2 camera?
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It's common with ANY camera.
It all depends on the angle and distance between the glass that is used in the device.
You may not see it on your Zenfone 2 but given the right angle I can assure you it is there.. May not be as prominent but every camera has this.
My advice > Stop pointing the camera at light sources directly or shoot with RAW and post-process it out if you care that much.
Don't ask me how, Google it :silly:
Oh, forgot to mention you can try and cover the light glare using your hand above the camera but be sure to avoid making your hand visible in the shot and depending your angle and subject matter it may not be possible to do it anyway.
Like I said.. Best way to avoid it: Don't take pictures directly aiming towards light sources.
Thanks for your detailed explanation Stevels. I understand that lens flare is a common issue with any camera, what I want to express is it seems that one plus 2 camera is easier to have those lens flares maybe due its design (the distance between the glass, the lens and the sensor )??I don't know.... Im not familiar with optical physics..：p
Also with regrading to my 1st issue if you enlarge the first two pictures you can see weird pattern/marks on the sky, have you experience this before
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Thanks for your detailed explanation Stevels. I understand that lens flare is a common issue with any camera, what I want to express is it seems that one plus 2 camera is easier to have those lens flares maybe due its design (the distance between the glass, the lens and the sensor )??I don't know.... Im not familiar with optical physics..：p
Also with regrading to my 1st issue if you enlarge the first two pictures you can see weird pattern/marks on the sky, have you experience this before
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Yeah, just a processing problem. Will probably be ironed out with future software updates.
To be honest I'm just waiting for CM12.1 to be released for the OPT.
Then I'll be grabbing the MaxxAudio and CameraNextMod apps and using those
Ordered my OPT a couple hours ago
Hi all - it sounds like the front (selfie) camera does not take the best pics.
One of the uses I wanted for the G6 is to use the back camera (the wide angle one) to take selfies instead.
I won't be able to see the screen, but with the wide angle lens, I don't really need to do much framing I'm guessing.
The only thing that I'm concerned about is the lack of auto focus and if the wide angle camera can focus on subjects about 1 metre away from them.
Does anyone have a G6 who could comment / or post a sample pic of this? This is pretty much the dealbreaker for me to get this phone.
Cheers!
I'm interested in the same question! Would be great if anyone could comment on this, hence bumping this thread.
Yes. Front facing camera is not as good as it should be. Specially in low light situation...
This, and lack of LED notification light are the biggest flaw to me
Back cameras takes good selfies though. I don't have any problem with framing or autofocus. Does a good job with defocusing background and shaking effect is at minimum thanks to new image stabilizing system.
Hope this help you
Cheers
Someone here at xda calculated that all things between 35cm and infinity are in Focus for the wide angle camera.
I also made some tests and I think that he is not totaly wrong with his 35cm.
So taking selfies should be ok.
The highlighted thing about g5 plus was also the reason for bad camera. The 1.7 aperture and wide angle camera are the cause here. Though it is good for shots within a certain distance like 10-15 feet. But any further the pictures loose sharpness and gets noisy due to which moto decided to use high denoising due to which the photos look soft. My father's redmi 4 clicks better distance pictures than this. It has 2.0 aperture and little less wide angle lens.
Don't forget that G5 Plus have the same camera sensor as HTC U11 or Asus Zenfone 4 (which takes good pictures on stock software).
Worse photo quality is caused by software (Motorola/Lenovo screw it up).
Did you tried any mods/apps? You can find a lot of these, but I suggest you to try Google camera app port.
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Don't forget that G5 Plus have the same camera sensor as HTC U11 or Asus Zenfone 4 (which takes good pictures on stock software).
Worse photo quality is caused by software (Motorola/Lenovo screw it up).
Did you tried any mods/apps? You can find a lot of these, but I suggest you to try Google camera app port.
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I use bacon camera on stock Android without root.
I disabled noise reduction and use hdr with manual mode and stable hands to get though grainy but nice pictures. Though the app is not perfect but it works
When I first got the G5+ I thought the camera was too dark... While a lower aperture may help in low light shots it does cause a bit of trouble for highly illuminated scenes.
HDR does compensate but it's nothing like HDR+ from Google.
Plus, terrible sharpen and overdone Noise Reduction excessive Color NR.
I felt quite dissapointed comparing it to my old Titan (G2)
Anyone tried to mod the camera to enable debug mode? You can disable noise reduction from there
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The highlighted thing about g5 plus was also the reason for bad camera. The 1.7 aperture and wide angle camera are the cause here. Though it is good for shots within a certain distance like 10-15 feet. But any further the pictures loose sharpness and gets noisy due to which moto decided to use high denoising due to which the photos look soft. My father's redmi 4 clicks better distance pictures than this. It has 2.0 aperture and little less wide angle lens.
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Coming from an old school enthusiast of photography background - you're aperture on your lens (in this case f1.7) isn't going to cause noise - that's a function of the sensor. A lot changed when we went from film to digital sensors, but the impact of the f number of the lens did not.
You might be on to something with the with loss of sharpness though. Typically a fixed focal length lens is at it's sharpest at it's only setting... but they very well could have forked this up.
Given that the camera does pretty adequately with other camera software or other hacks - I don't think it's a hardware issue or lens issue. It could be a cut rate sensor...
It could also just be that whomever chose the default settings for this camera did a bad job
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Your aperture on your lens (in this case f1.7) isn't going to cause noise - that's a function of the sensor. A lot changed when we went from film to digital sensors, but the impact of the f number of the lens did not.
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What about shadows in bright scenes such as outdoor scenery?
I mean, wouldn't lens aperture like f2.2 preserve more of these details?
That's a function of the film/sensor.
Your f number controls light and the depth of field (area that's in focus) - a smaller f number is more desirable because it allows more light to the film/sensor.
The only thing different here than fine that I can see is the size/diameter of the lens related to the f number. A larger f number, like f 8 or f16 increases the depth of field and sharpness, but at the cost of light hitting the film/sensor. That results in a longer exposure time.
A wide open f stop means more light and shorter exposure times.
One thing we gained with sensors over film is a wider range between highlights and shadows... You could get more shadows and more highlights. Film could get only so much of that before shadows went black and highlights blew out to white. But you still have a limited range. You can't get it all. In order to keep the highlights from going completely white you have to trade off some of the shadow range.
It's early and I'm probably explaining this horribly. Your spectrum between black and white or shadows and highlights is very long. But your camera sensors capability can only encompass a range of that spectrum. If the spectrum were a line of shades of grey from black to white that was, say, 10 units long, the range you could get in one image might be six units long. You've gotta give up somcombo of four units either at the black end of the spectrum or the light side.
If the cameras loaing details in the shadows that's because it's opting to the highlight/light end of the range.
So lens doesn't play a huge role in what chunk of the spectrum the film/sensor can encompass. But does play a role in how quickly the sensor can collect that info. Higher f number = smaller amounts of light on the sensor = longer exposure times.
My guess would be that the sensor or software is biased toward highlights because it results in faster exposures making life easier for snap shots and selfies.
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Anyone tried to mod the camera to enable debug mode? You can disable noise reduction from there
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If you guys paid attention for once on this XDA, you might have seen my damn thread or the chromatixx thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/how-to/workaround-noise-reduction-t3744031
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5-plus/themes/modcamera-aggressive-sharpening-noise-t3604458