Hi,
I have a rooted OP5 with 4.5.13.
I tried to install the flashable zip (from here) via TWRP without wipe, but ended up in a bootloop.
I've restored to the nandroid backup, wiped data, and tried again. This time the OP5 managed to boot only to recovery.
I've verified the md5 of the file I've used.
Do you know why this is happening? Do you know how I can upgrade to 4.5.14?
Thanks.
Did you download the full ROM or just the update?
I tried both. I didn't succeeded to install the update (as it is not intended for rooted devices).
The full rom is what caused the bootloop.
If you are doing a dirty flash you wipe cache and system. If you are doing a clean flash you wipe cache, system and data. It doesn't sound like you wiped the correct partitions when doing your flash. You also need to flash Magisk or SU after the ROM flash and before booting up or you will lose TWRP and root. If your phone is decrypted for some reason you also need to flash a no verify zip or your phone will boot loop because OOS is made for encrypted phones.
First things first:
1. This is not a thread about how to flash ROMs, recoveries or use Android SDK and ABD or fastboot commands. If you have questions about the basics, please keep them in @Funk Wizard's excellent thread created for that purpose:
OnePlus 5T: Unlock Bootloader | Flash TWRP | Root | Nandroid & EFS Backup & More !!
2. This thread is not the place to discuss the merits of encryption or decryption.
3. I'm not responsible for what you do to your own device. Read, think, read more, re-think, wipe, flash in that order.
4. This OP and the following posts will be updated as the discussion develops, so please check back here from time to time.
Now on to the discussion
There has been a lot of talk lately about encryption, decryption and the benefits and liabilities of each. Obviously having your device encrypted is a gain for security, something we should try to keep if possible. But encryption methods can vary, which is a problem for flashaholics like myself. When you flash a new ROM that cannot read the encryption of the previous ROM, /data must be formatted, causing the loss of /sdcard - pictures, music, files, etc.
Understanding the Problem
The issue seems to revolve around Qualcomm's "KeyMaster" encryption keys. While both Nougat and Oreo use FBE (File Based Encryption), by default they use different encryption keys, as pointed out by dev @codeworkx -- Nougat and Oreo 8.0 use KeyMaster 1 while Oreo 8.1 uses KeyMaster 3. So when an Oreo 8.1 ROM is flashed, it either can't access /data (requires decryption or formatting /data) or the ROM reformats /data itself, like early beta Lineage 15.1 builds. Likewise, reverting to a Nougat or Oreo 8.0 build will cause the same problem. Apparently, moving to KeyMaster 1 to 3 works (ie, flashing from OOS to Omni/Lineage) but reverting from Keymaster 3 back to 1 doesn't. When this happens, OOS can still decrypt with your PIN/password but TWRP can't.
One solution is to run unencyrpted, for which you may find threads in the How-To section. This discussion is about how to stay encrypted and flash back & forth between ROMs without loosing all of your data.
Links on the subject:
https://source.android.com/security/encryption/file-based
I look forward to your contribution to this discussion! :good:
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Just dropping this here:
mad-murdock said:
If only someone would be advanced in linux FBE, used tools and libraries. There surely is a way to remove encryption with a flashable .zip. _IF_ current TWRP has the needed tools onboard.
I hope one day we get encrypt/decrypt options in TWRP - where it belongs.
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Yes, NOW I have seen this thread. Thanks for mentioning.
Seems useful.
After a bit of google kicking, I found this: https://source.android.com/security/encryption/file-based
Seems a good start on the topic. Maybe add it to a list of (hopefully growing) links?
Wow. Seems like this didn't work out that well.
mad-murdock said:
Wow. Seems like this didn't work out that well.
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1. Rather than understand and deal with it, lots of people decrypt.
2. The issue hasn't gone away. Give it time.
Great information to those who recently owned an OP even if they have knowledge how to flash ROMs. (Including me)
Thanks!
I've stumbled across another issue for investigation. While experimenting yesterday, I discovered that @codeworkx TWRP 3.2.1-0 for Oreo (8.0 and 8.1) is able to read stock OOS/OOS B1 encryption until it is backed up in TWRP, an Oreo 8.1 ROM is flashed (eg, Omni, Lineage), and OOS is restored. After that, TWRP cannot decrypt /data with the correct PIN/password of the restored OOS ROM or "default_password". It doesn't matter if the nandroid was taken with or without a PIN/password, if the PIN/password is removed from the Oreo 8.1 ROM before restoring the nandroid, etc. Codeworkx suspects it has to do with how the passwords are being stored between 8.0 and 8.1.
And before you ask, I never formatted /data or decrypted & re-encrypted. The contents of /sdcard survived every flash and nandroid restore. Every ROM flashed was able to access /data with the correct PIN/password including the restored OOS. Only TWRP can't read /data with the correct password.
Also, I've left recovery systemless. That means my nandroid backups are only of data, and I restore by flashing the stock OOS ROM and only restoring the data nandroid. So zero changes have been made to system.
the Doctor said:
I've stumbled across another issue for investigation. While experimenting yesterday, I discovered that @codeworkx TWRP 3.2.1-0 for Oreo (8.0 and 8.1) is able to read stock OOS/OOS B1 encryption until it is backed up in TWRP, an Oreo 8.1 ROM is flashed (eg, Omni, Lineage), and OOS is restored. After that, TWRP cannot decrypt /data with the correct PIN/password of the restored OOS ROM or "default_password". It doesn't matter if the nandroid was taken with or without a PIN/password, if the PIN/password is removed from the Oreo 8.1 ROM before restoring the nandroid, etc. Codeworkx suspects it has to do with how the passwords are being stored between 8.0 and 8.1.
And before you ask, I never formatted /data or decrypted & re-encrypted. The contents of /sdcard survived every flash and nandroid restore. Every ROM flashed was able to access /data with the correct PIN/password including the restored OOS. Only TWRP can't read /data with the correct password.
Also, I've left recovery systemless. That means my nandroid backups are only of data, and I restore by flashing the stock OOS ROM and only restoring the data nandroid. So zero changes have been made to system.
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""And before you ask, I never formatted /data or decrypted & re-encrypted. The contents of /sdcard survived every flash and nandroid restore. Every ROM flashed was able to access /data with the correct PIN/password including the restored OOS. Only TWRP can't read /data with the correct password""
So Do you mean to say I can revert back to OOS OB-1 by flashing it over Omni/LOS/etc via TWRP without formatting Data, and later on restoring Nandroid data of OOS OB-1.
shail139 said:
""And before you ask, I never formatted /data or decrypted & re-encrypted. The contents of /sdcard survived every flash and nandroid restore. Every ROM flashed was able to access /data with the correct PIN/password including the restored OOS. Only TWRP can't read /data with the correct password""
So Do you mean to say I can revert back to OOS OB-1 by flashing it over Omni/LOS/etc via TWRP without formatting Data, and later on restoring Nandroid data of OOS OB-1.
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Yes, but obviously TWRP would not be able to decrypt with a PIN/password set by OOS. That just means you would have to disable lockscreen protection in the ROM before going into TWRP.
the Doctor said:
Yes, but obviously TWRP would not be able to decrypt with a PIN/password set by OOS. That just means you would have to disable lockscreen protection in the ROM before going into TWRP.
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By that way the steps to restore should be...
1. Backup of OOS OB-1 in TWRP should be taken post removal all securities PIN/PASSWORD/etc (On external drive/OTG)
2. Flash OOS OB-1 normally, clean flash, boot to system, no security should be set
3. Boot to TWRP, restore OOS OB-1 Backup Only "Data" should be checked via OTG drive
4. Reboot to system
"twrp-3.2.1-0-universal-codeworkx-dumpling" will be the TWRP to be used
Correct me if I am wrong in steps
so in this case, am i right to say that, so long i dont do nandroid restore, i wouldnt have problem with encryption/decryption regardless of what rom i'm flashing using codeworkx's universal TWRP?
usually i always clean flash new roms and i'm ok to go through the 'hassle' of reinstalling stuffs. if i want to go back to the previous rom, i'll just do a clean flash of the previous rom instead of reverting back via nandroid.
so technically so long i'm on the right TWRP, i'm fine with switching roms am i right?
thanks for sharing the findings as well!
gorillaCF said:
so in this case, am i right to say that, so long i dont do nandroid restore, i wouldnt have problem with encryption/decryption regardless of what rom i'm flashing using codeworkx's universal TWRP?
usually i always clean flash new roms and i'm ok to go through the 'hassle' of reinstalling stuffs. if i want to go back to the previous rom, i'll just do a clean flash of the previous rom instead of reverting back via nandroid.
so technically so long i'm on the right TWRP, i'm fine with switching roms am i right?
thanks for sharing the findings as well!
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I tried a clean flash of OOS from TWRP as well, but even that didn't work. I think you'd have to restore factory encryption per this guide to get TWRP to be able to decrypt OOS again:
[How To] Revert to 100% stock OOS from Oreo 8.1 | Restore factory encryption
Again, you can flash, backup and restore in TWRP even if you don't. It just won't be able to decrypt /data with your OOS PIN/password, so you'd have to remove lockscreen security first.
the Doctor said:
I tried a clean flash of OOS from TWRP as well, but even that didn't work. I think you'd have to restore factory encryption per this guide to get TWRP to be able to decrypt OOS again:
[How To] Revert to 100% stock OOS from Oreo 8.1 | Restore factory encryption
Again, you can flash, backup and restore in TWRP even if you don't. It just won't be able to decrypt /data with your OOS PIN/password, so you'd have to remove lockscreen security first.
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Formating /data is the only way to go back to 8.0 crypto (after booting fully stock) and then you can use you Nandroids from OOS to restore /data with PIN, face unlock all ON.
Been there, done that from 8.1 custom to OOS N.
Didn't use stock recovery, didn't use revert builds, there actually were none at the time, but I think they are unneeded anyway.
It's a cumbersome process because backing up internal storage and restoring it is a pain when you have a lot of data to carry around.
But it's pretty straight forward.
All this done on blu_spark TWRP.
The problem I noted above wasn't that OOS couldn't read or encrypt /data properly after the nandroid backup--TWRP couldn't read OOS's PIN/password. I had no problems restoring and running OOS after running Omni/Lineage. After I restored OOS, on first boot I entered the PIN and found that my fingerprints and face unlock still worked. But when I booted back into Codeworkx TWRP neither the PIN or "default_password" worked. I didn't try Blu_Spark.
IMO, what we ultimately want is an official TWRP that can decrypt without workarounds so we can avoid the cumbersome process or formatting /data and moving everything back to /sdcard.
Edit: Here is the exact sequence of what happened:
I came from OOS OB1 with /data formatted by the stock recovery, encrypted, with PIN/fingerprints/face unlock.
I booted Codeworkx recovery, entered the PIN, it decrypted properly, I did a nandroid backup of the Data partition.
Still in recovery, I wiped Dalvik-Art/Cache/System/Data, then flashed Omni, gapps, Magisk.
I ran Omni for a while, moved to Lineage using the same process as above. I never removed the PIN, and Codeworkx TWRP had no problems decrypting with it in Omni or Lineage.
After running Lineage for a while, I went back into Codeworkx TWRP, decrypted with my PIN (it worked), wiped as above, flashed OOS OB1 with the factory zip, wiped the Data partition, restored Data from nandroid, flashed Magisk, rebooted.
On first boot OOS asked for a PIN. I entered my PIN and found my fingerprints & face unlock still working.
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When I booted back into Codeworkx TWRP it could not decrypt with my PIN. I booted back into OOS and removed my PIN, set lockscreen protection to "None". TWRP still could not decrypt /data. I tried "default_password" but no dice.
Revert back to Omni, remove PIN, reboot TWRP, still can't decrypt.
So something changed between when I restored OOS OB1 (TWRP could decrypt with the PIN) and after first boot (TWRP couldn't decrypt with the PIN). Also, why could TWRP decrypt with OOS OB1's PIN to do the nandroid backup from a clean flash and to restore the same backup after being on Omni/Lineage, but couldn't decrypt with it after the first boot of the OOS nandroid backup?
Again, formatting /data again is not an acceptable workaround. I think we want to understand what changed and solve the problem.
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Again, formatting /data again is not an acceptable workaround. I think we want to understand what changed and solve the problem.
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The mentioned /data format is not a workaround per se, it's the only working workflow to get things going once you find the need to get back to OOS for the time being.
Accepting that is part of the process!
Users should know this upfront so they don't find out the hard way.
I'm currently running OxygenOS 5.0.3 and my understanding is that it uses Keymaster1. If I'm now upgrading to LineageOS 15.1 it'd change to Keymaster3 but without the need of formatting.
However, if I'd want to revert to OxygenOS 5.0.3 with Keymaster1 I would have to format /data. Is my understanding correct?
Macusercom said:
I'm currently running OxygenOS 5.0.3 and my understanding is that it uses Keymaster1. If I'm now upgrading to LineageOS 15.1 it'd change to Keymaster3 but without the need of formatting.
However, if I'd want to revert to OxygenOS 5.0.3 with Keymaster1 I would have to format /data. Is my understanding correct?
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My experience has been that the ROM can decrypt without any issues, but TWRP can't decrypt without formatting /data with the stock recovery.
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My experience has been that the ROM can decrypt without any issues, but TWRP can't decrypt without formatting /data with the stock recovery.
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As previous posters have alluded to, use "twrp-3.2.1-0-universal-codeworkx-dumpling.img". This is able to decrypt 5.0.3.
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As previous posters have alluded to, use "twrp-3.2.1-0-universal-codeworkx-dumpling.img". This is able to decrypt 5.0.3.
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Right. Flash Omni or Lineage, then go back OOS and try it again as Macusercom says in the post I quoted.
I'm currently running magisk, I've been trying to do everything systemlessly but it's getting frustrating, failed boots, bugs, limitations... I want to stick with systemless so I can count on my warranty which I can get back with two commands. Now, my question is, how hard and risky is to get stock recovery and lock back the bootloader once twrp is installed. Another thing I'm concerned about is if OTA update kicks in, I uninstall magisk and update it and it fails, I'm stuck, can't get any data or backup. Twrp would help a ton and I'm pretty sure I can just flash the new OTA image from twrp. But how hard and risky is restoring factory phone image (system+bootloader+recovery) once lord twrp is installed?
Why do you need to install TWRP if you can just boot it from fastboot? Well, using Magisk and updating system is always a bit risky, they have a guide on how to update and temporary remove Magisk, but it is always recommended to do a full backup.
To restore your device to a stock state, you can use MiFlash or download the fastboot version of the ROM, inside there is a script that will wipe everything and relock the bootloader, leaving no traces of your voided warranty.
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Why do you need to install TWRP if you can just boot it from fastboot? Well, using Magisk and updating system is always a bit risky, they have a guide on how to update and temporary remove Magisk, but it is always recommended to do a full backup.
To restore your device to a stock state, you can use MiFlash or download the fastboot version of the ROM, inside there is a script that will wipe everything and relock the bootloader, leaving no traces of your voided warranty.
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That's great, and fastboot is always available no matter how corrupt the system is, right? What do you recommend for a full backup and what about allowing system modifications when twrp boots?
My main phone got damaged so i am using this Moto G4+ phone temporarily. Years ago i flashed Resurrection Remix Nougat on this and the phone is really slow and laggy right now so I am hoping flashing a stock ROM will fix it but i am not sure how to flash the stock ROM. I know about the fastboot method but i am worried about bricking the phone and i really do not want to risk bricking it at all since this is the only working phone i have right now. I am worried about all these different bootloader versions and the 32bit/64bit thing. My current bootloader version is 1.07. Should i fastboot flash the ROM given here https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/stock-rom-npjs25-93-14-4-march-1-t3608138 or do i have to do something else first?
Thanks
If you're worried about bricking your device, I would initially try flashing the TWRP flashable of the Nougat or Oreo stock ROM (from here https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/development/rom-oreo-8-1-0-soak-test-t3873367 ) This TWRP flashable will update your system, boot(kernel) and modem and should not update your GPT/bootloader (so you'd still be on B1:07). The stock ROM is 32 bit - if you're flashing, I would recommend you wipe data, after flashing, before booting - so ensure you back up (e.g. backup system, boot, data in TWRP) and keep that back up off your device.
If anything does happen, restore your backup and reboot.
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If you're worried about bricking your device, I would initially try flashing the TWRP flashable of the Nougat or Oreo stock ROM (from here https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/development/rom-oreo-8-1-0-soak-test-t3873367 ) This TWRP flashable will update your system, boot(kernel) and modem and should not update your GPT/bootloader (so you'd still be on B1:07). The stock ROM is 32 bit - if you're flashing, I would recommend you wipe data, after flashing, before booting - so ensure you back up (e.g. backup system, boot, data in TWRP) and keep that back up off your device.
If anything does happen, restore your backup and reboot.
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Thanks a lot!
echo92 said:
If you're worried about bricking your device, I would initially try flashing the TWRP flashable of the Nougat or Oreo stock ROM (from here https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/development/rom-oreo-8-1-0-soak-test-t3873367 ) This TWRP flashable will update your system, boot(kernel) and modem and should not update your GPT/bootloader (so you'd still be on B1:07). The stock ROM is 32 bit - if you're flashing, I would recommend you wipe data, after flashing, before booting - so ensure you back up (e.g. backup system, boot, data in TWRP) and keep that back up off your device.
If anything does happen, restore your backup and reboot.
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I was able to successfully upgrade to stock Oreo through that TWRP zip but unfortunately the phone is still laggy, Do you think that fastboot flashing the stock ROM or upgrading to custom Pie ROM will help?