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Hey everyone!
So i've used the Desire HD's camera for a bit, and I find it's got potential. I used to have a HD2...and remember there was a registry edit fix and also settings in the camera app that were published here on XDA to improve picture quality...well i've found out that pictures are a lot clearer and sharper when these settings are applied on the Desire HD:
Go into the Camera app...
Press the menu button on your desire hd...
Turn OFF auto-focus
in the Image adjustments sub-menu, turn sharpness all the way to 2...
Take pictures, and as a good example of comparison take a before and after picture.
In the after pic, tap on what you want in focus. The overall quality of the picture will be a lot clearer! There is also less noise and the object will be in focus, and pepper and grain effect is largely eliminated! Try it out and report back
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Update 1 (00:09-10/12/2010):
Thanks to the knowledge and sharing of fellow XDA members, I have determined that what seems to impact/affect images the most is the sharpness settings. Contrary to my settings, you can also go into Image adjustments in the camera app and turn off the sharpness setting fully. This is done by turning the sharpness circle dial all the way to -2. It seems that when set on default, the sharpness algorithm is ineffective at determining the level of sharpness that should be used. As a result, images are reproduced with unwanted image effects such as distinct grainyness, noise and also seemingly out-of-focus/blury pictures! So you can use either -2 for smooth pictures that are good quality, or +2 for sharper pictures that are good quality! At the end of the day, it depends on what you as the photographer prefer Haha i'm making this sound like the Desire HD is a professional camera...it's certainly more than suitable for quick snaps that won't comprise on good memorable photos in 8MP
Update 2 (00:51- 10/12/2010)
Uploaded sample pictures!
will give this a try in the morning!
Is that +2 I take it not -2? I'll check this out in morning
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Yep, plus 2
yup the pictures are much better!!
i just hated all tht noise and grainyness!
Thanks a lot!!!
I didnt really notice the difference, I think im just horrid at taking photos haha
they do look slightly better i think!
I haven't tried this yet myself but its nice that the hd remembers these settings after a power cycle - I expected all settings to revert to default.
That does not help any here.
I think the compression is just screwed up very badly, or we don't have anything like a 8MP sensor in our phones.
You can see that very easily if you photograph or film some intricate pattern like in snow, frost, test patterns (printed on paper) or such. It just smears and blurs the hell out of these photographs and no settings in the user interface will help against that.
Now, a sensor actually resolving 8 Megapixels, on the other hand, should be capable of resolving to about four 1920x1080 computer screens worth of distinct pixels. Unfortunately when I view the photographs on the screen, in actuality I still those see smears and other artifacts even when I zoom the image to about ~25% of the screen's. So... ~0.5 MP or less resolution in reality? Beh, fail.
Meh, it is an 8mp sensor...I just assume HTC don't implement and make use of the best available lens, sensor size and compression rate....but the camera isn't bad at all..i'll upload some pictures i've taken recently, they're quite defined! Certainly more clearer, sharper and yet containing less noise than my old HD2 gosh colours on that were washed out
sharpness plus 2 will increase the digital treatment which seems to remove more noise and add more sharpness, maybe a little better than the default semi sharpness which a mess
however the camera is indeed 8MP it is ridiculous to state otherwise!! turn off sharpness all the way to -2 and all this digital artifacts will be gone as well as fake sharpness, you will be able to get full 8MP camera quality without HTC mending with them, you can improve photos further by using the auto fix or high contrast from within the gallery
of course noise will be introduced depending on the available light and of course with sharpness -2 it will be a little soft since it receiving zero digital treatment, take it to any photo editing application and you can boost the sharpness properly
really i don't get all the random posts camera quality, i'm getting amazing results even managed to amaze my iphone 4 colleagues, the only part where HTC really failed is the default noise reduction/sharpness algorithm (Sharpness 0) its a real mess thankfully it can be turned off
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
after using it a few times, im still sticking to my D700
I`m quite happy with the point and click results but for serious pics i use my ancient Canon EOS 500.
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
hamdir said:
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
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agreed 100% with your post. Although the lack of ips is no issue imo.
thank you, ips is only an issue when use the phone flat on your desk or sharing with others, its a slight issue when old desire slcd/amoled, iphone 3Gs and ipads have much better view angles
but yea its no biggie, its my first HTC device where i found no need to flash custom stuff
Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
xspyda said:
Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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yes nokia n900 and the DHD is better
i will post my results soon in full resolution
Here is a pic i took of my cat earlier today. Open in new tab to see the full resolution.
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i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
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Please do!
I for one am interested to finetune my camera app!
HI. I was cleaning my drawer today and was trying to clean up the mess in my drawer and found one of my old cameras, Canon Power Shot A560!
it is a mid budget and mid range camera and i got that about 2 years ago
well it is still working! btw its made in Malaysia, thanks to canon for that!
lets come to the point.
A560 has a 7.1 MP sensor, resolution of 3072 × 2304 and the size of the sensor is 1/2.5" CCD.
While the Galaxy S III has an 8 MP sensor, resolution of 3264x2448 and its sensor has aperture of F/2.6.
I have also added my all time love, my Samsung Wave to the test.
Wave has a two year old 5 MP camera with 30 fps HD video recording capability and still resolution of 2560x1920 and its also equipped with decent flash.
i was just considering a head to head challenge between A560 and Galaxy S III and also my Wave. i got some of the photos and found the following results.
u can clearly see that the images produced by A560 seem to be more Noise Free and more soothing than those of S3. S3 produces more sharper and more accurate color images. Wave on the other hand, proves to be the most successful out of all three considering its low Megapixel count and its quite old camera sensor. its images have the most real white balance and the colors are more natural and real to life. but the detail it captures is where it stands last.
U can also notice that the flash power of Canon A560 is somewhat more than that of S3's flash.
but in Macro mode, S 3 is the king!
I just got very few images and its night time so all of the images have been I taken in artificial lightening which is the most hard time for any camera to show its true power!
P.S: image order is that the first image is of S3, then A560 and then Wave. three sets each
pls comment with sincerity and dont troll cause that would not help no one!
PEACE
Nice comparison
aami.aami said:
HI. I was cleaning my drawer today and was trying to clean up the mess in my drawer and found one of my old cameras, Canon Power Shot A560!
it is a mid budget and mid range camera and i got that about 2 years ago
well it is still working! btw its made in Malaysia, thanks to canon for that!
lets come to the point.
A560 has a 7.1 MP sensor, resolution of 3072 × 2304 and the size of the sensor is 1/2.5" CCD.
While the Galaxy S III has an 8 MP sensor, resolution of 3264x2448 and its sensor has aperture of F/2.6.
I have also added my all time love, my Samsung Wave to the test.
Wave has a two year old 5 MP camera with 30 fps HD video recording capability and still resolution of 2560x1920 and its also equipped with decent flash.
i was just considering a head to head challenge between A560 and Galaxy S III and also my Wave. i got some of the photos and found the following results.
u can clearly see that the images produced by A560 seem to be more Noise Free and more soothing than those of S3. S3 produces more sharper and more accurate color images. Wave on the other hand, proves to be the most successful out of all three considering its low Megapixel count and its quite old camera sensor. its images have the most real white balance and the colors are more natural and real to life. but the detail it captures is where it stands last.
U can also notice that the flash power of Canon A560 is somewhat more than that of S3's flash.
but in Macro mode, S 3 is the king!
I just got very few images and its night time so all of the images have been I taken in artificial lightening which is the most hard time for any camera to show its true power!
P.S: image order is that the first image is of S3, then A560 and then Wave. three sets each
pls comment with sincerity and dont troll cause that would not help no one!
PEACE
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to me the s3 looks more icandy i would say that it can EASILY out gun a compact camera like that
the flash on the s3 is LED on the compact camera im guessing a zenon?
paintball23456 said:
to me the s3 looks more icandy i would say that it can EASILY out gun a compact camera like that
the flash on the s3 is LED on the compact camera im guessing a zenon?
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No the flash of the A560 is not xenon. its just ordinary flash. it is not even led flash. its a 4 year Canon PowerShot man! but i am really impressed with it now!
Hello friends. As everyone aware, Motorola cameras are usually infamous for delivering poor pictures whereas I have been using Motorola phones since long time and somehow found them better than the competitors in terms of delivering details in the pictures. Motorola usually applies very minor software filtering into the images which results into grainy pictures but at the same time, those pictures retain as much as possible details. Reason behind grain/noise is the tinny sensor.
Have been experimenting a lot on my Moto X camera since I bought it. Today I tested something different and that was lowering the resolution at the time of shooting. And the results were surprisingly positive.
The magic is, just download any other camera app which allows shooting in lower resolution like 8MP or 5MP. The software filtering algorithm applied by the camera software is not suitable for the 13MP pictures. Whereas it does magic on the 8MP or 5MP pictures. The pictures captured at 13MP come up with lot of artifacts and noise around edges of the objects. But if pictures are taken in lower resolution then they come out very nicely, the ugly artifacts are just gone and noise is also reduced.
Now those who are thinking that we will be loosing out data or details if we shoot in lower resolution then let me assure that it won't matter, atleast not in 99.99% cases. You won't be loosing any significant detail from the picture, rather the lower resolution will make pictures more desirable to store or print, they will be more cleaner and smaller in size to store.
If pictures would have been taken in some DSLR or any other camera having decent size sensor then capturing lower resolution images would have definitely caused in loss of details but it won't matter in the mobile camera, atleast not in the current generation mobile cameras.
I found 5MP more cleaner but 8MP is best compromise if anyone is doubtful about loosing out details over 13MP.
13MP = 3120 X 4160 pixles = 15.6 X 20.8 inches @ 200dpi print size
8MP = 2448 X 3264 pixels = 12.24 X 16.32 inches @ 200dpi print size
5 MP = 1944 X 2592 pixels = 9.72 X 12.96 inches @ 200dpi print size
So even if you capture 5MP picture, there is still more than enough data for a print around A4 paper size.
Now important notes:
1. Capturing images at 13MP and downsizing them into 8MP or 5MP in the image editor will not fix the issue because the internal software algorithm is applied at the time shooting and that is not suitable for the 13MP resolution, even if we use any 3rd party app. So capturing images in 13MP mode and downsizing them into 8MP/5Mp is not same as shooting in 8MP/5MP modes in case of Moto X. Results are different.
2. Stock camera app doesn't support low resolution captures. No, that 9.7 widescreen mode is not low resolution, that just crops the edges. You will have to download any other app for low resolution captures. Just set the 8MP or 5MP resolution in the camera app and shoot pictures, but it should 4:3 format, if you are interested in 16:9 ratio format then you will have to set the resolution accordingly which will be more lower.
To name a few good apps : Best is : Modified Motorola stock camera app which is usually named as Camera+, can be found on XDA. You can also control the noise filtering in the app if want more details at the cost of additional colorful grain. Others are - Google Camera, Open camera, A Better Camera (Night mode of this app is really wonderful, use it for low light shooting) etc.
These are 100% crops from a daylight capture. EXIF : 1/40Sec, ISO-50
Download them and zoom out and try to notice details and the ugly artifacts:
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These are crops from the same shot but upsized to 400% to magnify the pixel level details. Ugly artifacts ruining the image details can be noticed in the 13MP captures:
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These are crops form the same image but upsized to +400% to magnify the pixel level details:
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5MP
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These are low light shots of an advertisement in a magazine. Source of light was one CFL and window covered with blinds. Exif details : 1/33 sec, ISO-320.
100% crops:
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5MP
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These are crops form the same image but upsized to +400% to magnify the pixel level details:
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5MP
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Here is another shot. EXIF : 1/33 sec, ISO-500
100% crop.
13MP
8MP
5MP
Now you must understand why Apple is still giving only 8MP camera? Because anything over that is just plain marketing gimmick, nothing more than that and needlessly occupies extra space in the storage. Mobile phone camera sensors are very tinny in size thus they are not worth to push to capture anything over 5-8MP yet. I have seen pictures taken from the likes of Galaxy S5, S6 and Sony flagships and they were nowhere near to any true high resolution image. Their software are much more aggressive which clean up the noise and bump up the sharpness at edges more aggressively but at the same they end up eating lot of details and leave the water-painting kind of ugly effects all over the images. Thankfully such aggressive filtering is not applied by Motorola, atleast not in the daylight shots.
Would have loved if Motorola had provided Camera 2 API support, that would have given more RAW data. If no than atleast different resolution modes should have been supported in the stock camera app. Let's ask Motorola to do that, let's shoot emails to them
Request to moderators - please don't merge this thread with other existing camera threads.
If anyone else have more tips to improve picture quality then please share here.
Hope this thread helps :good:
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UPDATE
Adding more samples:
Blind test:
100% crop
400% magnified of the crop
More details about the above crops:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61549911&postcount=42
More posts with better samples and tests:
1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61552083&postcount=43
2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61553750&postcount=44
Answers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61566883&postcount=52
Will try to implement these great tips. Have you tried to use Camera 360 Paid version too? I was actually able to tweak some shutter speed in it. Had i understood more about it, it would have really helped a lot. Its only problem is that the app keeps running in the background causing huge useless battery drain.
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
grubber24 said:
Will try to implement these great tips. Have you tried to use Camera 360 Paid version too? I was actually able to tweak some shutter speed in it. Had i understood more about it, it would have really helped a lot. Its only problem is that the app keeps running in the background causing huge useless battery drain.
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014
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Actually there is some sort of internal software filtering which is applied at the time of shot capturing which you cant bypass unless the phone has got unlocked RAW shooting capabilities which Moto X hasn't got yet. So the damage is already done at the time of capturing itself which can't be reversed. The effective solution is to shoot in 8MP/5MP mode. If you have better camera app then it will be able to do more betterment since we are minimizing the internal damages caused by the flawed internal filtering in the firmware.
Please see the samples attached by me at 100%, you will get what I mean.
Ehhh the samples don't look very good. Best advice is to take pics at highest resolution and use imagenomic noiseware.
seabass950 said:
Ehhh the samples don't look very good.
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Obviously, I did not capture the shots to submit into some photo contest, I was emphasizing on something different which I have explained in detail in the opening post. Whatever I have posted are cropped portions of the full resolution images
Best advice is to take pics at highest resolution and use imagenomic noiseware.
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Noise removal tools will do magics if you apply them on 8MP/5MP shots instead of the 13MP. The max possible resolution is actually spoiling the pictures in the case of MotoX. It adds hell lot of artifacts in the 13MP pictures, thats what I meant by this post. To make things more clear, its not like typical downsizing to reduce the noise. Infact downsizing the 13MP shots into 8MP or 5MP won't reduce the artifacts, those will remain there but capturing the images directly into the 8MP/5MP modes yielding much different and better results.
Please test yourself if you don't believe me.
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All of the images I posted were unedited except resizing and cropping.
Here is one comparo which shows the terrible artifacts ruining the pictures and they exist only in the 13MP shots:
400% upsized version:
See this image shot from the stock moto camera at 13mp with manual focus and manual exposure. Just added my signature in it! I think the camera app did pretty awesome in just a flash and macro mode even in low light! Surprisingly!
Here are crops from the few test shots I captured in 8MP mode today, no other editing except cropping.
Pictures are coming out much more clearer, no ugly artifacts, no need for any post processing to clean out the noise now.
Post processing has become a breeze now, earlier artifact were coming in the way of post processing if I wanted to add some effects or wanted to add more sharpness in the pictures.
Tl/Dr: use Google Camera at 5 or 8 mp, pictures automatically become better?
chrisrozon said:
Tl/Dr: use Google Camera at 5 or 8 mp, pictures automatically become better?
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Yes. Try yourself to belive it.
Shoot few different light condition shots at 13MP, 8MP and 5MP then see yourself the difference by zooming into the pictures, probably on computer monitor. You will find ugly artifacts only in the 13MP mode which won't be in the other two modes.
So true about megapixels not mattering much.
Here is a "famous" article from 2008 when the megapixel wars started in earnest. It was wriiten about DSLR's but applies here as well.
Interesting read if you like this kind of stuff:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm
I'm using HTC Camera for a while now and after this thread I realize that the highest resolution from the app is 9.7MP.
With the best autofocus I've ever seen, this camera is the best.
I just did some limited testing of 13mp vs 5mp. Low light shooting a group of objects, some with text on them. 5mp definitely better. Object borders less blurred. Text easier to read in 5mp. I used the debug settings in the stock camera. Made accessible w/ the xposed module known as "moto checkbox"
Julianocas said:
I'm using HTC Camera for a while now and after this thread I realize that the highest resolution from the app is 9.7MP.
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That is widescreen mode which is there in the stock camera app as well. Read the point number "2" in my opening post for detailed explanation. You will have to shoot in median (3840X2160 mode to get 8MP equivalent quality.
CUBENSIS said:
I just did some limited testing of 13mp vs 5mp. Low light shooting a group of objects, some with text on them. 5mp definitely better. Object borders less blurred. Text easier to read in 5mp. I used the debug settings in the stock camera. Made accessible w/ the xposed module known as "moto checkbox"
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If using xposed then you must also see few options for noise filtering? If so then see if there is chcekbox for QC denoise or similar, if it is then turn it off. Now you can get more details in the 13MP but pictures will be grainy/noisy, especially in lowlight situations.
So if one wants decent quality pictures straight out of the camera then better to shoot in 5MP or 8MP resolutions.
Great work indeed jacky !!! You seem tonknow your images well and how to capture em .. way to go mate .
All the best
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any way to fix the focus issue of the camera? i believe i'm not the only one facing issues while attempting to take macro shots not that it really matters much to me.. hardly use the camera but yeah. this phone would've been a lot more popular if the camera was on par with the rest!
bellick said:
any way to fix the focus issue of the camera? i believe i'm not the only one facing issues while attempting to take macro shots not that it really matters much to me.. hardly use the camera but yeah. this phone would've been a lot more popular if the camera was on par with the rest!
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Believe me, this is one of the best cellphone camera I've come across. so far.
Have a look at these macro shots I posted earlier after following the majors I posted in the opening post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61501824&postcount=7
About the focusing issue, have you tried enabling manual focus and turning off Auto HDR off? Also try out some other apps, please go thorough my opening post for hints on apps and other tips.
Only hardware problem this phone has got is that the lens is little bit misaligned at one corner so around 15-20% portion in that area always comes out blurred. Though most of other cellphone cameras also don't have perfect lenses all around the corners.
Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement! Now i am really getting great macro shots from the camera which i can boast about. Just one question, have u tried to revert back to earlier camera versions and done this analysis?
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
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Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement!
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Yeah, I had spent whole day yesterday on the analysis and thread post, rather have been experimenting a lot since I bought the phone and almost tried all the good camera apps available in the market. Reason was it was getting hard to digest for me that my previous 8MP Motorola phone was delivering better results than the 13MP of MotoX which is from the 3 years old generation compared to the MotoX which has got one of the best sensor.
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have u tried to revert back to earlier camera versions and done this analysis?
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I have lot of pictures captured from different stock camera app versions in different Android firmwares since Kitkat to 5.1 and all of those were captured in 13MP mode and all of them have ugly artifacts. I always thought to resize all of my MotoX captures into half but that downsizing also didn't help.
Only wish that the idea of capturing the photos in the low resolution would have come earlier in my mind, I would have had all of my previous captures in this new found better quality.
Now I am not using the stock app since it doesn't allow changing the resolution. Only wish we could set other app of our liking as default which can be launched using voice command and twist wrist gesture.
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Yeah, I had spent whole day yesterday on the analysis and thread post, rather have been experimenting a lot since I bought the phone and almost tried all the good camera apps available in the market. Reason was it was getting hard to digest for me that my previous 8MP Motorola phone was delivering better results than the 13MP of MotoX which is from the 3 years old generation compared to the MotoX which has got one of the best sensor.
I have lot of pictures captured from different stock camera app versions in different Android firmwares since Kitkat to 5.1 and all of those pictures have ugly artifacts. I always thought to resize all of my MotoX captures into half but that downsizing also didn't help. Only wish that the idea of capturing the photos in the low resolution would have come earlier in my mind, I would have had all of my previous captures in this new found better quality.
Now I am not using the stock app since it doesn't allow changing in resolution. Only wish we could set other app of our liking as default which can be launched using voice command and twist wrist gesture.
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I loaded the xposed moto checkbox module and with the dev options for camera turned on you can change picture size to:
4160x2340
3840x2160
3264x1836
2592x1458
1920x1080
1280x720
Would this not work for the methods your recommending? Or am I missing something?
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I loaded the xposed moto checkbox module and with the dev options for camera turned on you can change picture size to:
4160x2340
3840x2160
3264x1836
2592x1458
1920x1080
1280x720
Would this not work for the methods your recommending? Or am I missing something?
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That will definitely work, just make sure that you are capturing in 5MP/4:3 ratio or 8MP/4:3 ratio, not the 9.7MP/16:9 ratio mode. Please see my post number 13.
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Thanks a lot for all the great analysis done! The study done by you should be forwarded to motorola for analysis and improvement!
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If we can reach to Motorola then I have more ideas to share with them, but that looks highly unlikely. They look least interested in the camera, look at the terrible picture quality 20MP camera of Moto Droid Turbo produces. And hopes are more down after knowing that the company is now owned by new Chinese parent Lenovo.
Background
While the Z5 has demonstrated that it can take good daytime photos and excellent video (thanks to its closed-loop actuator), low-light performance has been a concern, due to a lack of OIS and its smaller pixels.
I had the opportunity to borrow an LG G4 to test low-light conditions with the Z5. Testing took a while, as I needed to understand the different scene selections of the Z5's Superior Auto mode. I chose two classic, well-known, posters for the basis of the analysis: Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back and Breakfast at Tiffany's. The posters feature both artwork and text, which should provide a good mix of characteristics for comparison. Also, the posters can easily be found online, so no reference photos were necessary.
Test conditions
The SW:ESB poster was lit from a single, overhead, incandecent light bulb (60 watt), which was roughly 10 ft/3 m away. The Breakfast at Tiffany's poster had no nearby light source - the light comes from the next room over 20+ ft/ 7+ m away.
All photos were taken in automatic mode for both phones. The Z5 was set to 8 MP in 16:9 ratio. I had tried set up the photos to look as similar as possible.
Camera setup
The SW:ESB night pics were taken while sitting down. The Z5 photos are as follows:
a) Night mode icon (i.e. moon icon)
b) Night mode icon + tripod icon
c) Night mode icon + tripod icon, phone holder stabilized (not hand-held)
The Breakfast at Tiffany's pics were taken while standing up, with arms in an elevated position. This is was due to the fact that the poster was mounted higher on the wall. It should represent the Z5's worse case scenario, as there was no way to stay completely steady due to the awkward posture and poor lighting.
Note: I had to re-take the Breakfast at Tiffany's photo, as I discovered that the initial photo had moved the focus to the top of the poster, due to face detection. I manually adjusted the focus rather than cut off Audrey's elegant face. When face detection icon was not on screen, the low-light icon (i.e. candle icon) would come on.
Link to photos (7-zipped):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Put-ePeAktZXE4YkxpNmhmWUk
The photos have not been edited in any way, other than to rename the files. I will leave the photos up for a couple of weeks. If you are reading this post after November 2015, and would like a link to the pics, please send me a PM.
Conclusion
OIS definitely helped with the low-light pics. The difference in detail was due to blurring, not MPs as far I could tell. In better lighting conditions or when stabilized, the Z5 and G4 had the same level of detail. The G4 pics became more and more "washed out" as the light level dropped, which was probably due to its smaller sensor.
Kids vs. stills: For quick snaps of people in moderate-to-low lighting, the Z5 was better, due to face detection. OIS couldn't do much to help. G4 had a lot more blurred photos, but when it wasn't blurred, the quality was good.
So why choose the Z5 (without OIS)? For the video recording. Once you've tried taking FHD videos with the Z5, you'll probably never go back to using OIS. Try it in the store... take a walk, jump up and down, shake it all around. It's pretty dang amazing.
Anyway, I hope the pics and the comparison were helpful.
Cheers!
Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Wrong title These are 'night mode' shots with decent amount of light. How about some real low-light shots (low-light mode/ high ISO) ?
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Gah... I don't have the G4 to test with anymore. I didn't say it was "dinner by candle light". But I'll change the title a bit.
Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Cool. It'd have been real fun to see some blackouts from G4 (like I regularly do from S6 ) in 'low-light'
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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Can you please explain what you mean by "blackouts"?
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
Some extreme examples
http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
http://i1.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/dsc_0010.jpg?fit=810,810
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Yeah, I noticed the G4's pics got darker rather quickly as the lights went down. Didn't think anyone was interested to see washed out Z5 pics vs. pitch-black G4 pics! xD But I think we need to really test the Z5 outdoors at night with a tripod and see what it's capable of. Anyone live in a big city with a good night life? Tim?
BTW, anyone see these night pics from Zoë Noble?
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/09/04/berlinmoments-part2-zoe-noble-on-berlins-nightscapes/
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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Now that OP has changed the title, it's become irrelevant. Before he kills me ... I meant the pictures you get when the sensor is pushed to its limit in low-light. It's not a standard term, btw lol
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http://i0.wp.com/fortheloveoftech.c...4/10/wp_20141016_19_14_30_pro.jpg?fit=810,810
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At the very extreme end, Xperia outputs will wash out. But couple stops before that Xperia will get you a usable output while the others will still remain pitch-black. Try it out when you get a chance.
I will do it (without a tripod - you kidding right). I live downtown & I got tired of taking night shots long time ago. Next weekend - hopefully.
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I see. Thanks!
Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
bloodfire1004 said:
Thanks for this! I'm sure many appreciate the efforts
Though I'm not sure if its just me, but honestly, I prefer the pics from the Z5. For me, the colors / the overall photo itself looks "natural" or more "realistic". Of course, I do not know the actual colors / conditions of what it really looked like but the colors of the S6 seem to be too artificial (and more orangey / redder tint to most of them).
Just my 2 cents though.
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The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
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The histogram shows the Z5 is more accurate. Viewed a couple of the photos and resizing the S6 photos to match the res and aspect ratio of the Z5c (2448x3264) show the Z5c often delivers more detail but also a bit more 'fine' grain vs blurrier and noiser (noise blurred out but still visible as blotches) S6 photos (depending on ISO level). Also several photos have a photo (PhotoME exif reader) time date with a difference of 15-20 minutes between each camera and same shooting location..
Here is a crop from both at 2448x3264 and with aspect ratio correction. This is from the S6/Z5 ISO 800 comparision. Top is S6, bottom is Z5c. Photo crops from HKs comparision.
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Excuse me Sir. Do you actually know what are you speaking? You always blame S6 got strong noise reduction but when you found noises there you also said that S6 is too bad to has noise.
Sony is all good in your mind even there are indeed more flat area in photo but you'll just think that some noises to simulate fine grain so it's all good.....
To be honest, I've also played a lots of video stuffs, I was a video lover. The film grain isn't real using in this way. In the old days video encoding technologies were not yet mature, the encoder did remove too much things from the source and people was trying to apply some noises in flat area to fraud human eye but this method should not use again in recent year. Some others were trying to simulate old Film noises for special purpose though.
The environment is total stable and it won't change the result after 15 - 20mins like day time so it is meaningless to mention about this, I'm not only focusing to take photo because my friends whatsapp me. Furthermore, the Z5c is freaking hard to get good result in such low light condition, some scenes were actually been taken 4 to 5 times to try to get one with good result. S6 was almost all done in one shot.
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
S6:
FHD - Software stabilization disabled, OIS enabled(can't be disable)
UHD - OIS enabled(can't be disable)
Z5c:
FHD - IA software stabilization on
UHD - Standard steadyshot on
All photo and video were shot by stock camera handheld. Sony only allowed to pack ISO in 8MP Manual so all are in 8MP from 100iso to 3200iso, skipped testing 50iso bcoz 100iso already super easy to create handshake. S6 were all from Pro mode(standard auto mode can't select ISO) range from 100iso to 800iso, max is 800 from Samsung offered, can't go higher in Pro mode though sometimes the auto mode could boost up to 1000ISO.
Some photo got little handshake and I've no time to just keep repeat shooting. In my experiences, S6 easily beats Z5c in terms of handshake and focus performance(at very low light S6 focus is superior, more faster and accurate). Indeed, many photo from Z5c been shot for a couple of times to try to get best result and almost all S6 photo were just taken in one shot(no more than two).
S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
S6 link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJUXF0bUlmcklhLVE&usp=sharing
Z5c link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4Nx7PgyQVgJYjdOcEJPUHJORjQ&usp=sharing
My Z5c is bootloader locked with DRM key so it's still with the low-light denoise algorithm. I may unlock it soon. My S6 with ISOCell, not Sony IMX240 sensor.
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While an instructive and very interesting comparison, we do loose a bit of something by dealing with differing Fields of View. Some of the loss of detailing that you might otherwise put down to the sensor or software is actually far more about the focus of the lens on the sensor. To see what the detail reproduction is more accurately, we could do with seeing the two framed identically (IE, taking half a step nearer with the Z5 when taking the shot to correct for the different lens).
While I hate to put you to more trouble, could you have a go at this at all? Thanks
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Here is my indoor(metro) and night shot(outdoor) campaign of S6 vs. Z5c. All are shared in it's original size without editing other than renaming.
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S6 got very good quality of video as well as photo, I think the OIS is quite helpful for the video part too. I'll probably add Z5c/S6 fast walking video today or tomorrow when I've free time to do more testing.
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Ah, Hong Kong... been there several times. Sorry, but I hate to say it, the video quality on the S6 was not very good. Maybe when standing still it's good, but as soon as you started panning, the video was jittery. In FHD, the Z5 was completely smooth. In 4K, both videos were jittery.
If you're going to critical of the Z5, you should be at least as critical about the S6's poor video performance. You live in HK... a fast paced city. Hold it up and walk around with the crowd, take it on the bus, go up and down the subways stairs. Don't use the Z5 and take video like it's an S6 - judge it on its own merit. If you've ever tried to keep up with a child and record video, you'd know what I mean!
Thanks for the vids and photos... I'll check out the photos later.
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You'll need to download all stuffs and check it out on a big PC screen. S6 color can be more better because the default is over. I always preset lower one stepping of saturation and color temp in Pro mode but this time I just let it run default so the result got worse.
If you check the threads on this board, I've said it a dozen times that Sony got better color(my taste) and that is why I buy the Z5c while I already own a S6. In fact, S6 is over whilst Z5c color is also a bit off(under/lower) but just more close to the real scene.
Speaking to the details part, S6 just win hands down without any doubt.
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Okay, I've gone through the pics, comparing both sets of pics side-by-side. First thing I noted was that a few of the Z5 pics were actually less blurry than the S6. LOL! I think I could have done better with the G4.
At 100% size, the Z5 and S6 had nearly the same level of detail across the pics, except for a few pics where either the S6 or Z5 was clearly blurred. The Z5 had smaller text because of the FOV, but it wasn't any harder to read.
I thought the S6 would be the clear winner with OIS, but the pics look very close in quality. Z5 should have slightly better colours, but I can't tell without neutral reference pics. I think you should have spent more time stabilizing the S6. From your pics and video, I'd choose the Z5, since the only thing that's clearly better from the two sets was the Z5's FHD video. xD
Now that I've had the Z5 for a couple of weeks, here are my thoughts:
Here on XDA, we tend to get overly technical (no, really?), so I've been thinking about how a "normal" person would decide to get and use the Z5. I bought the Z5 based on early impressions of its video performance and technical details of the new camera system (dat closed-loop actuator). After taking some family vids running around the house, I'd say it works as advertised.
But it was my SO's reaction (a non-geek) that was more telling. She was curious how the videos would turn out, as I barely paid attention to the phone while it was taking videos. She was impressed and commented that it was so smooth that it looked "professional". As any family man knows, having the "other half" onboard with a tech purchase means life is good! Heh!
The photo quality? Frankly, she didn't notice much difference between the Z5, G4 or even my old Z Ultra. The G4's OIS didn't help much for impromptu pics of people. I had plenty of blurred indoor shots of moving faces with each phone. The Z5 did try harder with face detection and scene selection to get good pics, while the G4 was basically a straight dummy point-and-shoot. The G4's strength is in its manual mode, and in quick snap situations, there was no time to play with the settings. Ironically, I caught some of the best moments - not talking about colour or details - from the Z Ultra, as it was the camera I was most familiar with. LOL!
The Z5 is now my go-to camera for videos. I think anyone who wants to take good family or vacation videos (or even vloggers), the Z5 is probably the best choice for a phone. Personally, I'd still take a real camera on vacations for better pics and optical zoom. Gawd, nothing is more annoying than taking a pic of something and have it show up the size of a pinhead because I couldn't zoom in.
Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Fulfilling half of my pledge. Other phone died & bartender didn't serve me tripod or OIS this evening. So SA w/o tripod all the way.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums/72157659569050879/with/22496859817/
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Good shots and a good example piece that demonstrates that you can get very good night shots from the Z5. I especially like the carriage.
As is my way, I've been looking through Flickr at S6 shots that random people have posted and have come across images like https://flic.kr/p/A14UVf and https://flic.kr/p/ytEfJq - both of which are noisier than a great many night shots and indoors night shots I've taken with my Z5. These are not isolated examples.
Not very scientific, I know, but it's evidence that getting good results is as much about the person behind the camera as it is about the camera itself. Those S6 shots aren't really any better than anything that the Z5 could produce: detail is relatively similar (though a little better with the S6, probably) and noise is higher. Compare that bar shot with one of mine in MUCH worse lighting (so much darker than the image produced): https://flic.kr/p/AHaxNj . Sure, the detail is smudgy but it is there and there is far less noise, to boot. Not saying that my image is perfect - anything but - but seeing the S6 bar shot above (Full of very ugly noise in an environment with many more light sources) makes me wonder just how much better the S6 would've handled that scene, if at all.
Some of my initial comparative shots.
Just my first day with Z5, and the shots are in difficult conditions sometimes, on purpose.
The Zoom is ok considering it was bad lighting.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsknZUGYc
The LG G4 was one of last year's best camera phone. Let's see what the G5 has in the guts with its dual rear cameras:
- 16 MP F/1.8 - 75° field of view - laser autofocus, OIS
- 8 MP F/2..4 - 135° field of view (ultra wide angle) - fixed autofocus
Here is video link describing some of the camera features:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFD8qkzpJCs
Some reviews of the camera:
GSM arena: http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g5-review-1416p7.php
Phone arena: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/LG-G5-Review_id4181/page/3
I will get some shots up soon.
Just 2 quick pictures I took ill take some more tomorrow
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Just 2 quick pictures I took ill take some more tomorrow
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Are the manual controls fun to use?
same as using a G4
Here are pictures taken today unedited. Camera seems more than capable enough, if you want legit photos buy a dslr and call it a day.
Can someone who already has the device post couple of JPEG + associated DNG files both for the regular and wide angle cameras (big files can be shared via Google Drive, Dropbox or OneDrive) ?
I would like to know whether LG included a flat field correction in the DNG this time (it wasn't the case at the G4 launch and was addressed months later during the marshmallow release). I had to create one in the mean time but it wasn't addressing perfectly the issues.
More background on the G4 DNG issue here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61360315&postcount=314
Envoyé de mon SM-G928F en utilisant Tapatalk
If anyone is interested, I posted on Reddit yesterday a comparison (totally amateur) of the G4 G5 and S7E.
LG G4 vs LG G5 vs Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge picture shootout (informal)
Here are some pics testing out the manual settings
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Can someone who already has the device post couple of JPEG + associated DNG files both for the regular and wide angle cameras (big files can be shared via Google Drive, Dropbox or OneDrive) ?
I would like to know whether LG included a flat field correction in the DNG this time (it wasn't the case at the G4 launch and was addressed months later during the marshmallow release). I had to create one in the mean time but it wasn't addressing perfectly the issues.
More background on the G4 DNG issue here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61360315&postcount=314
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Anyone?
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Anyone?
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I've seen your posts but no longer have the pre production model which is not the same as the retail version. In the UK, the retail launch has got delayed a lot. However, I should get a raw file very soon (in 24 hours). I'll DM link to dropbox when done.
Here's a couple taken of two frogs on my trip to Point Reyes. Unedited, straight from my camera roll.
Here is an auto HDR auto shot with the wide angle sensor. Pretty cool.
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The camera on this absolutely smashes my s7
Has anyone noticed or experienced the camera distorting in lower light condition or in conditions where the subject is not perfectly still?
Some of my photos look like they've been run through a really bad water colour filter or like they have been shot through a sheet of plastic (like a protective film over the lens, but it doesn't appear to have one on out of the box), in perfect daylight photos of still subjects (building/scenery) are stunning, with both the wide and normal camera, but if the subject is moving, the wide angel really struggles with the distortion type effect. In low light, the wide angle seems basically unusable if the subject is not perfectly still.
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Has anyone noticed or experienced the camera distorting in lower light condition or in conditions where the subject is not perfectly still?
Some of my photos look like they've been run through a really bad water colour filter or like they have been shot through a sheet of plastic (like a protective film over the lens, but it doesn't appear to have one on out of the box), in perfect daylight photos of still subjects (building/scenery) are stunning, with both the wide and normal camera, but if the subject is moving, the wide angel really struggles with the distortion type effect. In low light, the wide angle seems basically unusable if the subject is not perfectly still.
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Next time try turning HDR off and see if that helps.
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Next time try turning HDR off and see if that helps.
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I'm going to try and give it a better test this evening, I think HDR was set to auto in that pic. I'm hoping you're right and changing that to off will solve this, it really does look software over hardware though, the Google Camera app seems to handle HDR processing better (although much slower than the camera on the G5, which is pretty instant, whereas my 5X took an age to process after the photo was taken). It's a shame the Google Camera app doesn't support the HDR mode when installed on the G5 and doesn't support the wide angle camera either so can't take a photo with that to do a direct comparison.
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I'm going to try and give it a better test this evening, I think HDR was set to auto in that pic. I'm hoping you're right and changing that to off will solve this, it really does look software over hardware though, the Google Camera app seems to handle HDR processing better (although much slower than the camera on the G5, which is pretty instant, whereas my 5X took an age to process after the photo was taken). It's a shame the Google Camera app doesn't support the HDR mode when installed on the G5 and doesn't support the wide angle camera either so can't take a photo with that to do a direct comparison.
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Nothing to do with HDR. The G5 went into night mode and held the shutter open longer. Go manual and fix the shutter speed.
The camera definitely hasnt been optimised yet in auto mode. Can tell by the way it selects a high iso in night shots. But I'm not worried as LG will sort this out in upcoming updates. I normally shoot in manual mode any way, and the photos are as amazing as I'd expect coming from the lg g4.
Really happy with this phone so far.
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The camera definitely hasnt been optimised yet in auto mode. Can tell by the way it selects a high iso in night shots. But I'm not worried as LG will sort this out in upcoming updates. I normally shoot in manual mode any way, and the photos are as amazing as I'd expect coming from the lg g4.
Really happy with this phone so far.
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I use Manual Camera normally for anything other than quick shots (normally on night out, so in low light where I use auto mode for speed), the manual mode in the default camera app though I'm really impressed with, especially coming from Manual Camera, this is my first LG phone so I'm loving that being available out of the box. The photos I've taken where I haven't been in a hurry or in low or challenging light have come out amazingly well. I agree though the look of the weird "shooting though plastic" or almost water colour like effect that appeared on that shot I posted earlier definitely looks like a processing issue, I just wanted to post it to see if anyone else had experienced the same or if it was a possible hardware fault (although I didn't think it was, so was more wondering if anyone had a solution to it software wise).
Hopefully though it is just software and they fix it in later updates. So far I think I'm happy to keep the phone after my few days with it so far, it really is an amazing device, fast, great build quality (fantastic to hold), great sound and what they've done to the OS is nice too, just hoping for root at some point in the future too although I'm getting used to LGs customizations now, so that's not a deal breaker for me yet (it will be more in the future if updates to Android N are slow).