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Hello Everyone ,
First off I would like to say I’m new to this forum. I’m hoping to learn alot about my new android Galaxy S captivate phone. I have a couple questions regarding my phone, I would really appreciate if you guys can help me.
1.I bought one app from the market store, I later restore my phone. There anyway to retrieve my app without paying for it again?
2.What is rooting is it just like jailbreaking an iphone?
Thanks,
Michael
Hello there!
1. My guess is that if you login to the market with the same account, you will not have to buy the app again. If you login with a different account, yes, you will pay for it again
2. Rooting means that you have SuperUser access to your phone (just like Administrator for windows). You will be able to install extra programs like task managers, and file managers in order to access the root of your phone (the core of your linux-capable smartphone)
Note that you DO NOT have to root in order to install "pirated" material!
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Hello there!
1. My guess is that if you login to the market with the same account, you will not have to buy the app again. If you login with a different account, yes, you will pay for it again
2. Rooting means that you have SuperUser access to your phone (just like Administrator for windows). You will be able to install extra programs like task managers, and file managers in order to access the root of your phone (the core of your linux-capable smartphone)
Note that you DO NOT have to root in order to install "pirated" material!
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Thanks for the helpful reply! I'm in the process of rooting my phone. Thanks so much!!
dragunov said:
Hello there!
1. My guess is that if you login to the market with the same account, you will not have to buy the app again. If you login with a different account, yes, you will pay for it again
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Correct, I've done it many times now. It's linked to the account
dragunov said:
2. Rooting means that you have SuperUser access to your phone (just like Administrator for windows). You will be able to install extra programs like task managers, and file managers in order to access the root of your phone (the core of your linux-capable smartphone)
Note that you DO NOT have to root in order to install "pirated" material!
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Yes, but keep in mind, don't rely on pirated programs. Google has already provided a framework which developers can use to prevent their use illegally. It allows developers to test if the phones owner purchased the software they installed on start. Previously, pirated APK's I believe ran fine on other devices just by copying the package.
And yes, as mentioned, it is similar to jailbreaking, but unlike the iPhone, rooting has limited uses on Android (because you can install software from 3rd parties anyway).
Last question, lets say if I root my phone, and i magically screwed up. Can there be a chance where my phone is brick and no longer repairable?
Hi guys, I just got my Kindle Fire for xmas today. I want to root, but I've been reading the forum and see that a recent OTA update came out and there's been problems. I'm not super computer savy and I really don't want to mess it up. Do I have to wait for a new method to root? If someone wants to take a newb under their wing and tell me what roms etc I should get it would be much appreciated! Just a little overwhelmed with all the posts, not sure where to get consolidated current info.
I haven't even turned it on yet, I'm not sure if I should wait to turn it on, so that if it doesn't have the OTA update it doesn't send through as soon as I turn it on... whatever advice anyone can give would be much appreciated!
For Windows, Use this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
Tired that version today works wel..
I haven't turned my Kindle on yet, can I avoid all the complications by somehow keeping it from getting the OTA update when it turns on? (I'm assuming it's not running 6.2.1 yet because that just came out?) I'm afraid to turn it on and I really want to play with it so if someone can let me know that would be great!
And if anyone wants to talk me through it, my screenname is Insidious Lily on aim, I need moral support/help, lol.
Just keep WiFi off until you are done... no issues.
Okay.. I'm a little overwhelmed by all the stuff in that post but I'll do my best. I'm in that IRC chat with another newb if you want to come help us, haha.
And high five, I have a HTC incredible too.
How about current method for Mac users?
ty!
So here's what I did...
(I have a Mac running snow leopard).
I downloaded the KindleFireRootMacLinux folder referenced in the old Mac root thread. This gets adb running on the mac. Use whatever system you need to get adb running on your PC. The command adb on the PC is replaced by ./adb-mac on the Mac.
Then I used the burrito root method and pushed super user to the kindle fire. using the adb commands from terminal.
Finally, I downloaded the google apps folder, installed Googleservicesframework *FIRST* and rebooted.
Then I installled the remainder of the apps EXCEPT market.
Then I used the ES Folder program with root explorer etc enabled to copy the market.apk file to system/app and changed permissions and ran it.
Everything worked fine.
THEN I installed DroidWall to take away the internet communication capabilities of all the Amazon apps (and browser) to try and keep another stealth push from Amazon from breaking root.
Someone else will have to link to the files because I haven't posted enough to include links.
Current root is BurritoRoot http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1410223
if your particularly lazy Vashypooh's utility has been updated to use it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
I'll just join in to mention something the OP may not realize. Although I'm basically a newbie rooting the KF also, the current root method works with the new update from Amazon, so you don't have to worry about preventing the update to download. In fact, it's probably best to let it update first, otherwise you'll just have to repeat rooting it.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I have that wrong.
leebo said:
I'll just join in to mention something the OP may not realize. Although I'm basically a newbie rooting the KF also, the current root method works with the new update from Amazon, so you don't have to worry about preventing the update to download. In fact, it's probably best to let it update first, otherwise you'll just have to repeat rooting it.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I have that wrong.
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Yep, but we did discover it doesnt work with 6.0 this morning. Seems what I used wasn't fully introduced until after 6.0
Hi developers!
I just received a KF as a gift and I am considering whether to root it. I want to have Prime access for the streaming video and lending library services. I have seen that there are various ways to go about rooting, and various levels of rooting, all the way up to replacing the rom completely, but I have not seen a list comparing them with respect to keeping Prime access.
So, if my goal is to keep Prime access, what are my options, and what methods should I definitely avoid?
Thanks!
look at the KFU
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
you can select temporary or permanent root
with permanent root you have to use voodoo OTA rootkeeper to retain prime access
While rooted, you can not use the Amazon Prime video streaming, and there may be a couple other Amazon-specific things that won't work, but I haven't bumped into them.
However, you can use tools such as OTA Rootkeeper to switch root off when you don't need it (which for me is all the time except when I want to install something that Amazon didn't want me to, such as Google Maps or Currents).
Even with Root off, if you've installed superuser (which is in the standard instructions), a tool such as ES File Explorer can elevate itself to superuser status and muck with the root-level file structure. (caution: all power tools can kill)
I don't fault Amazon for turning off streaming with Root turned on, as a rooted machine probably greatly simplifies the ability to capture DRM'd streams and keep them... but with the ease the machine is rooted, and once something's installed unrooted again, then like all DRM, it's pretty ineffective. I have no interest at all in breaking DRM, only in using my KF as more than just an Amazon media consumption tool.
Now that I've got Swype, the Android Market and Maps working, I don't see a need to keep Root on my slate... but I want to know that I can do it when I need it.
Amazon Video will not work on a custom ROM for the fire yet, but works fine rooted on the stock rom when using OTA.
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i earned a job in a store that consist of rooting kindle firesecond generation and the hd 7" and 8.9" tablets (all kindle fire tablets) and i dont know which of all is the most secure and efficient method i could use to dont make anything bad !!!!
persano said:
i earned a job in a store that consist of rooting kindle firesecond generation and the hd 7" and 8.9" tablets (all kindle fire tablets) and i dont know which of all is the most secure and efficient method i could use to dont make anything bad !!!!
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Read these ones carefully
<KFHD 7">
7.2.1/7.2.2
use Qemu tools
7.2.3
use Root Many Android And then Qemu tools
Root many Android works but sometimes the device becomes slower and choppy, Using Qemu next fixes this!
7.3.0
Use Root Many Android only
<KFHD 8.9">
All version 8.1.4 through 8.3.0
The root method hasn't changed because the bug in ics that allowed root was never fixed
Use root many android
<KF2>
As i understand it versions 10.2.4 through 10.3.0 are all rooted using this method
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2075959 (Read it carefully but basically you use Root Many Android then Qemu )
Normally i would tell you to use KFFirstAide to root everything, But since it's still in beta and you can't afford to make a mistake here, well... Don't!
Also give me some time i'll try to refine this post a bit, Make it easier for you.
And good luck with your new job :good:
Hmmm...
You may have to restore the devices first. After my first update(7.3.0), none of those methods worked anymore and I was getting a read-only error(Permission denied). The only way to root was to restore first. But because I couldn't access /data/ all my app data was wiped as I couldn't find a way to backup without root access. After the restore though both methods worked. I hope you don't have to root any device with the same problem I had. For me the choice was either root and loose my app data or not root, not be able to install custom recovery or custom launchers and keep my app data.
Are you someone who just got their Fire TV rooted and don't know exactly what you can do with it being rooted? Or maybe you haven't rooted yet because you are unsure of what you can do with it rooted? Well hopefully i can shed some light on this with a little guide on things to do, along with some tips and tricks.
First let me get started by saying never forget to make a backup of your Fire TV via TWRP before making changes or tweaks. This is not to freak you out or disparage its just good practice ii have learned in rooting devices. I will cover TWRP later.
One of the best things to come along in the rooting world of android is Xposed installer. In short Xposed is a framework apk that allows users to modify/ customize their devices. This is not done by Xposed Installer per say but the modules that you download with in Xposed installer. So i will show how to install it, how to use and modules that will be beneficial use for Fire TV fyi mouse is need to navigate Xposed.
Xposed installation
1. We need to download the following BusyBox a program that most rooted apps are dependent on here Xposed Installer v3.1.5 here along with Xposed Framework x89 sdk22 arm64 here
2. Install BusyBox however you install side loaded apks. Open BusyBox and click the install button on bottom right. On SU prompt screen grant root access. As you should for root apps you install.
3. Install Xposed Installer, there is no need to open after install because without Xposed Framework installed it doesnt work.
4 Place the Xposed v89 zip onto Fire TV internal or external storage is your choice just remember where so you can point TWRP to it.
5 Reboot into TWRP recovery, choose install, point TWRP to the Xposed zip and on right side of options choose install zip. Let TWRP run its script when it says complete simply reboot and voila Xposed is installed. NOTE it is NORMAL for the first boot to take 10 min after Xposed is installed.
Xposed Tutorial and Modules
Open Xposed installer on be careful screen prompt click box to don't show again and ok. The 3 line icon on top left is menu button. Module option is where you can see and activate modules you install. Download option is where we search for and install modules. After you download a module Fire TV will prompt you to install. Note modules wont work until activated and a reboot.
Modules i find beneficial and know are SAFE are the followingBoot Manager- this allows for you to choose what apps start on boot.
RootCloak- this is designed to hide root app detection. Im assuming it still will hide root but could be wrong worth shot right
Xposed Edge- this is the FUN one that allows a fair share customs tweaks. My fav is remapping of remote buttons ie home button goes to alternative launcher, double tap home opens netflix. Which is great for 3rd party remotes that have a lot of buttons. NOTE There is a pro version as well Note- whenever you make changes in edge you may have to reboot for changes to effect.
DISCLAIMER be careful some modules may cause problems like bootloop and worse so research before you install modules to see if they are compatible
Other Apps
These are apps recommended or useful for rooted devices and for Fire TV useADBLink-allows you connect PC t to Fire TV via adb can install apks, push/pull files, run adb shell.
Easy Fire Tools- Android app that connects to Fire TV via adb can install apps from your android device onto Fire TV, transfer files and other features.
Root Explorer- these apps allow you to manage files but also a way to install side loaded apps, find one that is root friendly so you can access system folders if ever needed.
AdBlocker- we all know why we want one for all my rooted phones always been partial to adaway.
Alternative Home Launcher- who does like Fire TV launcher, really Karen of course you would!
TV App Repo and APK Editor- For those who do use alternative launcher i mention these because TV App Repo allows you to make bookmarks into apks. APK Editor to change the icon and name of TVApp Repo apks because the names and icons are generic.
TWRP
Finally the benefits and how to use TWRP. This allows users to make a backup images of device and ability to restore it when **** goes wrong. You can also do a factory reset.
Backup- after you choose backup from main screen choose select storage and choose storage then click swipe to backup. These can take a while to do seemed like 20 mins or so. Whatever storage you chose will be the default storage until you change it. Note- I have a backup image and its size is 4.5gb so id recommend you need some sort of external storage for these. If there is not enough space backup can not be performed.
Restore- performed same way as backup.
Factory Reset- Just wanted to mention don't forget if you do this and have a backup image on Fire TV internal storage you will lose it.
Hope this helps out
@g422
Thanks for the write up!!!
To be honest, the benefits of rooting appear to be somewhat underwhelming, at least, for the Fire TV. Not a single killer feature/application ...
I do know that it is more convenient to have root than not, but appears to be in pretty subtle ways.
My main use is between SmartYouTubeTV, and Netflix. If I fumble through the Amazon launcher, I am there, and life is good!
Am I missing something?
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Am I missing something?
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Yes, you didn't read the OP He gives many examples of use for root, if those aren't valuable to you, then root isn't for you.
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Yes, you didn't read the OP He gives many examples of use for root, if those aren't valuable to you, then root isn't for you.
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Hmm, just for the record, pretty much every tablet or phone (except a couple of real cheap deals) I have in my household are rooted! So I do see good value in root on those devices.
It's just that I struggle with root utility on Fire TV devices. As in - "why bother?"
I see that the OP likes Xposed Edge for button remapping, so if that's your cup of tea, that's a killer feature to get root for. I myself religiously correct Chrome look on tablets using Xposed/App Settings (link), which very few others seem to care about. But I want to see more of these killer features for Fire TV! Suggestions?
Btw, I am not being adversarial or critical, just very curious. Which itch are people scratching with root on Fire TV???
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Hmm, just for the record, pretty much every tablet or phone (except a couple of real cheap deals) I have in my household are rooted! So I do see good value in root on those devices.
It's just that I struggle with root utility on Fire TV devices. As in - "why bother?"
I see that the OP likes Xposed Edge for button remapping, so if that's your cup of tea, that's a killer feature to get root for. I myself religiously correct Chrome look on tablets using Xposed/App Settings (link), which very few others seem to care about. But I want to see more of these killer features for Fire TV! Suggestions?
Btw, I am not being adversarial or critical, just very curious. Which itch are people scratching with root on Fire TV???
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I sort of see your point, but I think the root version of Mouse Toggle works, while the non-root doesn't. At least that's been my experience. Also, can you block updates without root?
I took no offense to your comments bibikalka. I am inclined to agree that there is a limit of what to do with rooted fire tv especially compared to a phone or tablet. I started this thread to give back to xda who has kept my multiple devices over years rooted. Thread was also done in hopes of getting ideas to do and/or sharing of apps that can be helpful especially now that rooting is allowed for the general masses just not those who were able to jump on board early.
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I sort of see your point, but I think the root version of Mouse Toggle works, while the non-root doesn't. At least that's been my experience. Also, can you block updates without root?
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I used mouse toggle without rooted fire tv until i got air mouse remote. Yes you can block updates. If im not mistaken rbox prerooted roms block updates, go to check for system updates and should be stuck on checking for updates. If not go here.
#1 reason I root a fire TV box is so I can use large NTFS drives on the USB port.
Can someone point to me how to fix sd card write permissions. I tried xiinternalsd for xposed but when i open it goes to amazon home screen
g422 said:
I used mouse toggle without rooted fire tv until i got air mouse remote. Yes you can block updates. If im not mistaken rbox prerooted roms block updates, go to check for system updates and should be stuck on checking for updates. If not go here.
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Right, so blocking updates only when rooted.
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Right, so blocking updates only when rooted.
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yeah i just re read what ya posted i see what ya meant
Imho top reasons for it are Xposed Edge Pro, ad blocking via AdAway (if you use the browser) and finally, the updates issue. While unlikely, it's not impossible for Amazon to get crackin and stop the use of certain third-party apps (NIMH is a giveaway)
Edit: forgot one important one, "debloating" the OS, whether by blocking the startup or disabling packages you don't want/need to give more cpu and memory to apps you do
Without root access, it's Amazon's device; with root access, it's now your device.
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I used mouse toggle without rooted fire tv until i got air mouse remote. Yes you can block updates. If im not mistaken rbox prerooted roms block updates, go to check for system updates and should be stuck on checking for updates. If not go here.
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Right, so blocking updates only when rooted.
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yeah i just re read what ya posted i see what ya meant
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For a while, updates could be blocked without root, but Amazon fixed that hole:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/disable-ota-fire-stick-t3667978
But! You want to block updates so you don't lose root, so it's a bit circular. If you don't have root, you don't care, and just update as per Amazon otas. Btw, I do have updates blocked on my fire sticks
Anyway, please keep the conversation going! We should develop a good set of must have features which are only available via root.
The main reason I root now is to debloat. Go as barebones as possible in order to improve performance. I kill all possible services that are absolutely unnecessary. I've removed Amazons GUI and use Appstarter. I just like a clean fast experience.
Thanks for this but u all do know u can connect to a PC wirelessly via adb without root. It's the only way I have ever added apps to my stick. Find your sticks individual ip. Open terminal on a pc, adb connect ipaddress. Then adb devices, a prompt will pop like on your phone asking to allow device or not. Click always or yes whatever. Then u do adb install draganddropwhateverapphere. Loads up in seconds depending on apk size. U can even use your phone if u have the adb platform tools magisk module installed on your phone. I install apps to my stick from my OnePlus 6t
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Thanks for this but u all do know u can connect to a PC wirelessly via adb without root. It's the only way I have ever added apps to my stick. Find your sticks individual ip. Open terminal on a pc, adb connect ipaddress. Then adb devices, a prompt will pop like on your phone asking to allow device or not. Click always or yes whatever. Then u do adb install draganddropwhateverapphere. Loads up in seconds depending on apk size. U can even use your phone if u have the adb platform tools magisk module installed on your phone. I install apps to my stick from my OnePlus 6t
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Ummm, or you know just use the Apps2Fire app lol. No magisk module or root needed. You're welcome.
JUSTINMARMER said:
Ummm, or you know just use the Apps2Fire app lol. No magisk module or root needed. You're welcome.
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I am saying I never need root or anything to use adb and install apps wirelessly. I have done this for the past year with NO ROOT. Don't need it for sideloading apps. Adb connect ipaddress, then adb install dragdropapp from PC into terminal. No root or magisk needed. I always have a rooted phone and that's where the magisk module comes in. On a PC u can load them to a stick out of the box.
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I am saying I never need root or anything to use adb and install apps wirelessly. I have done this for the past year with NO ROOT. Don't need it for sideloading apps. Adb connect ipaddress, then adb install dragdropapp from PC into terminal. No root or magisk needed. I always have a rooted phone and that's where the magisk module comes in. On a PC u can load them to a stick out of the box.
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Yep, that's exactly what you said before. Not sure why you are repeating it.
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Yep, that's exactly what you said before. Not sure why you are repeating it.
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Cuz u aren't understanding. If u read your comments, then mine, you would see it seems u think I'm saying one would have to have root to use adb install. U do not.
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Cuz u aren't understanding. If u read your comments, then mine, you would see it seems u think I'm saying one would have to have root to use adb install. U do not.
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That is 100% incorrect. I see now you have a reading comprehension disability. I can't imagine how hard that must be for you and I empathize.
Obviously root is needed for magisk modules. I suggested an app to help all those without root.
Bless your heart.