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Samsung deleted my review

I posted a review at Samsung.ca for the Tab Pro 8.4.
And of course Samsung deleted it...
The irony was, I gave it 4/5 stars and praised its features. I guess I shouldn't have mentioned any of the minor issues with it.
When manufacturer's provide a space for the public to post a review and then delete those they don't like (and mine was pretty positive), what exactly is the point?

RobilarOCN said:
I posted a review at Samsung.ca for the Tab Pro 8.4.
And of course Samsung deleted it...
The irony was, I gave it 4/5 stars and praised its features. I guess I shouldn't have mentioned any of the minor issues with it.
When manufacturer's provide a space for the public to post a review and then delete those they don't like (and mine was pretty positive), what exactly is the point?
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They only want super positive?
Why did you knock a star btw?
This is the first Sammy that I would rate 5 stars to.

Goes to show how dishonest Samsung can be. The reviews are not real and are rigged. To me Amazon has the best review system. You have to own and bought the product from their website and they don't filter the negative feedback except profanity.

scrosler said:
They only want super positive?
Why did you knock a star btw?
This is the first Sammy that I would rate 5 stars to.
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I only decked it a point for a couple of reasons.
Price. To me it's not overpriced but realistically it should be a $300 - $350 range tablet. With the N7 sitting at $250, the LG G Pad sitting at $250 and the Mini Retina sitting at $400, it should have been somewhere in the middle. Don't get me wrong, I have the Mini Retina and much prefer the Samsung but for those who know nothing about tablets (my mother for example), it is very hard to sell against the Mini retina at the same price point. I showed it to my mother and she was asking why it was the same price as the Mini (which I bought her, sigh) was so much nicer...
Also I mentioned battery life compared to the Mini (that's what probably got the review deleted). Battery life is pretty good for an Android tablet (Better for sure than my G Pad) but compared to the Apple tablets, it's about 5 hours short. That's a big delta.
I also mentioned that the black version was not available in Canada. Why would they launch both colors in the US but only give Canada the god awful ugly white version? I hate white tablets and I'm stuck with one.
I also suggested that for the price point, the Tab Pro should have mini HDMI out. There are plenty of much cheaper tablets (like the Dell) that have this feature. This is being touted as a "Pro" device. Why do I have to hunt around for an MHL HDMI adapter (I've already bought and returned 2 that do not work) so that I can connect this device to a display? It would be great for powerpoint decks at clients (which I currently do with a Surface Pro). For $400, this feature should be a no brainer.
Despite the above, they are all minor concerns as I emphasized that it was the best Android tablet I have owned.
I guess I provided too much accurate info...

I think it's pretty obvious why they deleted your review, you mentioned your a Canadian
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I think I'd probably go with a 3.5 for as it comes out of the box, pre loaded with lots of uninstallable crap, iffy/average build quality and poor battery life.
Once the bloat is removed, its a different beast, but then you have no warranty, so 3.5 stars is fair I reckon.
If they did a google play version, on the other hand, it'd be a 4.5 :good:

RobilarOCN said:
Despite the above, they are all minor concerns as I emphasized that it was the best Android tablet I have owned.
I guess I provided too much accurate info...
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Fair enough! I agree with your statements!

Monkey Chops said:
I think I'd probably go with a 3.5 for as it comes out of the box, pre loaded with lots of uninstallable crap, iffy/average build quality and poor battery life.
Once the bloat is removed, its a different beast, but then you have no warranty, so 3.5 stars is fair I reckon.
If they did a google play version, on the other hand, it'd be a 4.5 :good:
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A google play version, black 32GB, would be an instant buy for me (despite already having one).
It's a fantastic tablet, just a few minor things keep it from being perfect.
I also own a Mini Retina 128GB and the battery between the two isn't even close. That is one area that would make a big difference.

If I wrote a review it'd probably never going to be published on Samsung's website so I will do a review here.
I got the 12.2" and used it out for a week now, I would give it a 2.5. The only thing I like about it is the large screen and the clarity of the display. Other then that I too think it's overpriced compared to hundreds of other Android devices out there.
It's heavy and holding it with 2 hands for 30 min my wrist starts to feel uncomfortable. The bloatware is annoying and some of them you can't even be disabled. Of course I could do the root it and delete method it but that would void my warranty. That's a risk I'm not going to take cause I'm not sure if I'm keeping this. There should be a law like in Korea that a user should have the option to remove bloatware easily as they wish.
For a 9500 mAH battery, it sucked bad. Samsung claim you can watch 8 hours of continues movies but the most I've gotten is 3.5 hours. The sound and speaker is horrid because half the video I played has cracking and popping noises in the background. Also some 1080p videos I tested jitters and motion lags at times. For clarification, these videos I tested have no problem playing on my 6 years old MacBook at all. Magazine UI looks cool back in January when they demoed it but once you get to it, it feels incomplete and it is an awful experience. Couldn't remove it either.
Also I got the Black version and it came with an odd white usb cable and charger. Little missed details like that could annoy owners.
The next tablet I'm going to try is the Sony Xperia Z2. In the mean time, this isn't a winner for me so I'm probably going to return it soon. I really tried hard to like this tablet and was anxious when Samsung announce it but it is big let down for me.

NixxonExxo said:
If I wrote a review it'd probably never going to be published on Samsung's website so I will do a review here.
I got the 12.2" and used it out for a week now, I would give it a 2.5. The only thing I like about it is the large screen and the clarity of the display. Other then that I too think it's overpriced compared to hundreds of other Android devices out there.
It's heavy and holding it with 2 hands for 30 min my wrist starts to feel uncomfortable. The bloatware is annoying and some of them you can't even be disabled. Of course I could do the root it and delete method it but that would void my warranty. That's a risk I'm not going to take cause I'm not sure if I'm keeping this. There should be a law like in Korea that a user should have the option to remove bloatware easily as they wish.
For a 9500 mAH battery, it sucked bad. Samsung claim you can watch 8 hours of continues movies but the most I've gotten is 3.5 hours. The sound and speaker is horrid because half the video I played has cracking and popping noises in the background. Also some 1080p videos I tested jitters and motion lags at times. For clarification, these videos I tested have no problem playing on my 6 years old MacBook at all. Magazine UI looks cool back in January when they demoed it but once you get to it, it feels incomplete and it is an awful experience. Couldn't remove it either.
Also I got the Black version and it came with an odd white usb cable and charger. Little missed details like that could annoy owners.
The next tablet I'm going to try is the Sony Xperia Z2. In the mean time, this isn't a winner for me so I'm probably going to return it soon. I really tried hard to like this tablet and was anxious when Samsung announce it but it is big let down for me.
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You raise some good points.However, you can't really complain about the size and weight. It is thinner and lighter than anything else in its size class. If it's too heavy, you should have bought a smaller tablet. I mean, how can you complain about the weight when you chose that size? The 10.1 Pro weighs almost 300 grams less.
I am surprised at your battery results. The 8.4 is good for about 7 hours of video (I've tested it several times on flights). I expected the bigger versions to be better given the higher rated battery.

RobilarOCN said:
You raise some good points.However, you can't really complain about the size and weight. It is thinner and lighter than anything else in its size class. If it's too heavy, you should have bought a smaller tablet. I mean, how can you complain about the weight when you chose that size? The 10.1 Pro weighs almost 300 grams less.
I am surprised at your battery results. The 8.4 is good for about 7 hours of video (I've tested it several times on flights). I expected the bigger versions to be better given the higher rated battery.
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I'm not complaining about size, it's perfect and I enjoy the large screen estate. I'm complaining about the weight. It feels super light when you carry it around but supporting it long term with your wrists are two different things. Maybe I will wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation to see if Samsung improves the weight and hopefully to be under 1 pound is ideal.
My battery result is what it is. I have it on auto brightness and it's not even that bright at all. The videos I played are standard avi, 720p and 1080p.

RobilarOCN said:
You raise some good points.However, you can't really complain about the size and weight. It is thinner and lighter than anything else in its size class. If it's too heavy, you should have bought a smaller tablet. I mean, how can you complain about the weight when you chose that size? The 10.1 Pro weighs almost 300 grams less.
I am surprised at your battery results. The 8.4 is good for about 7 hours of video (I've tested it several times on flights). I expected the bigger versions to be better given the higher rated battery.
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The bigger screen easily offsets the bigger battery compares to 8.4, because (in normal cases) the screen is always the biggest consumer of battery, the size of the screen is huge on 12.2, so I'm not surprised by the poor battery life it has.

RobilarOCN said:
You raise some good points.However, you can't really complain about the size and weight. It is thinner and lighter than anything else in its size class. If it's too heavy, you should have bought a smaller tablet. I mean, how can you complain about the weight when you chose that size? The 10.1 Pro weighs almost 300 grams less.
I am surprised at your battery results. The 8.4 is good for about 7 hours of video (I've tested it several times on flights). I expected the bigger versions to be better given the higher rated battery.
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I agree 100% with everything nixxon said about the 12.2, I got it a few days ago and will be returning it soon.
The screen is gorgeous but it sucks battery like crazy even on low brightness, also the weight becomes uncomfortable quickly when you rest it on your chest (ie reading in bed).
The weight issue is tricky because I have laptops which are heavier but still comfortable to use in bed, what makes the 12.2 so uncomfortable is that all its weight gets exerted on a small area of your body vs a laptop where it's more spread out.
CPU bound tasks seem very quick but graphics intensive tasks feel sluggish compared to my note 10.1, I'm sure that could be improved with an optimized kernel/rom.
Still on the fence over whether to trade for a note pro 10.1 or wait for something else

sefstrat said:
Still on the fence over whether to trade for a note pro 10.1 or wait for something else
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Oh boy, when it comes to Samsung software, waiting is the most traitorous thing ever. They have a very poor track record of OS and in house apps update ever. Take for example, the Note 10.1 2014 edition has been out since October, has the exact same identical internal spec as the Note pro 12.2 and it hasn't gotten the latest KitKat upgrade yet. They could have easily and inexpensively take the Note Pro 12.2 software and tweak it to work on the Note 10.1 but they still haven't done so.
Samsung doesn't take care of their customers after. They just want to make a quick buck on the hardware moving forward. They don't look back on supporting older devices because it's not profitable.

Haw dare you impede on Samsung's marketing scheme! Shame on you. Aren't you aware their devices are immaculate and faultless in every way?
Those looking at 10 inch you might want to wait for the SM T800.

I returned it :(

Well, I loved it initially ! Many sleepless nights and I was craving to have one for almost a month.
I understand the need to bring in better camera, better hardware, bigger screen and other better specs we all were craving for. Also, many people are crazy about it!
But, after using it for 2 days, I started thinking why google screwed up nexus 6 with SIZE and WEIGHT ! It is just too "BIG" and "HEAVY". It made my phone almost useless. I wish there was a nexus mini 6, which is lighter and smaller.
Being a nexus and google stock android maniac, I can't use any other cell phone but my nexus 5.
So, I am back to nexus 5. It does feel fresh with the lollipop update. And, I am happy about it.
I am ready to wait for one more year, hope google will pick the best one which is comfortable to use for all users next time !
P.S: It was just my experience and opinion. I am always an android lover. Don't BOMB me !

Heavy? I think you need to hit the gym bro.
Don't know how size and weight made your phone useless....
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You could try motox 2014, that is the closest to stock android in almost the n5 size.

Rauch said:
Heavy? I think you need to hit the gym bro.
Don't know how size and weight made your phone useless....
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I can see how the size of a phone can make it useless to some people...but the weight shouldn't be relevant. A mere 5-6 years ago (and less) phones were FAR chunkier and far heavy, and we hand no choice cause that was all there was on the market.
To the OP....their are plenty of GPE phones out there that have awesome specs, and the screen size you want. No need to wait another year.

Wow, heavy? Really? I don't see it as heavy at all. Especially for the size. To each his own I guess, but maybe you should've given it a few more days. Hasn't even been a week yet.

If anything the phone is solid, not heavy, which I'm enjoying.... I was doing wrist curls for the past month so maybe that's why it's n not heavy to me

Rauch said:
Heavy? I think you need to hit the gym bro.
Don't know how size and weight made your phone useless....
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Seriously. You know he doesn't even lift.

Hey, it's cool man... I hear Tampax is going to enter the cellphone market soon. I'm sure it will be something slim and lightweight... j/k

Phone size is a preference. I have had a large phone for years and prefer it. I understand that Google lost a lot of fans by going to a large phone. And many of you think they "messed up". But Google literally won my business by making a large device. And I know I'm not alone. I had been resigned to putting up with touchwiz another year when I found out about shamu. Point is Google did not mess up just because you choose a different device. And its OK to not want a large phone just as much as its OK to like a huge device. That's why they put out the whole be together not the same campaign.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I went from the rather diminutive 2013 Moto X to the Nexus 6 and I certainly have no regrets. It's big, yes, but after a few days with it, I'm very happy with my choice. So much easier to type on it than my X. Happy with the performance, screen resolution, camera. Front camera is kinda weak compared to my HTC M8, but love the rear shooter. Happy all around. Gets fantastic service, too. Even better than my Moto X, and that thing got excellent signal.

I can see where you are coming from. Would have definitely been nice is they released a smaller version.
For me though I was able to acclimate to the size rather quickly. Did not seem all that big and I never noticed the weight being an issue.

Ok, I still want mine. Good bye.
Ian B

Is it OK in the pocket?

Nexus 6 rawks! I like the bigness, matches my hands and everything. Good luck mate!
Disclaimer: my opinion.

Nah man, do not agree. At first I was hesitant to preorder as I thought it was too big. Then, I switched to Verizon and was forced to go to 6+ over iPhone 6 as it was on backorder. That made me realize that it was not too big lol. And comparing it to iPhone, you get better feel in the hand, more display, and perfect weight. I can't see myself going to a smaller display.

I actually was told by someone who wantes to hold me n6 that is was lighter then theyd imagine by it size, plus coming from the m8, didnt really feel a difference in weight.

Maybe you should look into the Moto X 2014.
Good luck with your next choice.
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ambichetan said:
Well, I loved it initially ! Many sleepless nights and I was craving to have one for almost a month.
I understand the need to bring in better camera, better hardware, bigger screen and other better specs we all were craving for. Also, many people are crazy about it!
But, after using it for 2 days, I started thinking why google screwed up nexus 6 with SIZE and WEIGHT ! It is just too "BIG" and "HEAVY". It made my phone almost useless. I wish there was a nexus mini 6, which is lighter and smaller.
Being a nexus and google stock android maniac, I can't use any other cell phone but my nexus 5.
So, I am back to nexus 5. It does feel fresh with the lollipop update. And, I am happy about it.
I am ready to wait for one more year, hope google will pick the best one which is comfortable to use for all users next time !
P.S: It was just my experience and opinion. I am always an android lover. Don't BOMB me !
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The size of the Nexus 6 is not for everyone. I do think however you did not use the phone long enough and give it a chance. Just like the Samsung Galaxy Note series, a high percentage of people whom really give the phone a chance for a reasonable amount of time end of keeping the "note" and stating later "everything else besides the note is too small".
There are some that will never like the size of phablets and subscribe to the life long Steve Jobs diatribe that phones and tablets are separate devices, in which apple as a company changed their tune later.
I do think your making a mistake though. IBM predicted years ago that the future of the computer would be a PC "walkman like device". The calaboration of computer, phone, and music Walkman device are in the phablet. You need to have a big enough screen to have a true "mobile desktop experience" in a phone. Really, that experience envisioned is with 6 inch sized phones and higher. It won't stop here there will be 6 inch + phones with smaller bezels and those that fold/bend. This is the vision that the IBM had. Lenovo now being the owners of IBM and Motorola.

dtblair24 said:
I can see where you are coming from. Would have definitely been nice is they released a smaller version.
For me though I was able to acclimate to the size rather quickly. Did not seem all that big and I never noticed the weight being an issue.
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Wouldnt you just call that the MotoX?

Went to Sprint today to check out the demo. We have two phones that are eligible for upgrade, and I've been looking at the Nexus 6 for months. I figured the size would be fine for me, but I wanted my mom to see the phone and see if she wanted to upgrade to the N6. We both currently have Note 2's, and since I'm the one that always has to troubleshoot when she's got phone issues, I like to try and get the same phones so I know exactly what might be going on when there is an issue. I kind of thought the size would be bigger then the Note 2, but having the phone for two years I guess we're just used to it and the N6 didn't seem bigger at all in the hand for either. Felt like the Note 2, just with more screen space. Seeing the pics and unboxing vids does no justice for the N6. The phone is bad ass in person. As for the weight, I checked out the Note 4 just to compare, it felt much heavier then the N6. Not sure if it's the curved back, but it felt much lighter then all the other phones that size. Both of us walked out and agreed the phone was kick ass and the one to upgrade to. Would have gotten them today, but waiting till Black Friday, just in case there might be some deal at Best Buy. Doubt there will be, but one more week isn't much to wait and see. Plus I can get a couple cases on the way during the wait. And actually, after seeing the phone, the curve on the back didn't seem as curved as I thought it was, so hoping that bumper that Rhino Shield is working on will be all it needs. I questioned the curve and how it could work right, but it looks like the bumper could work without a hard plastic back to it.

Good bye to Mate 7

I did drop the phone on stone floor yesterday now the touch does not work on the majority of the screen.
In panic I have bought a used LG G3 as replacement I got it for a very good price.
yeah So I will probably not be checking this forum so much more... I hope the Mate 8 will be worth update for.
The Mate S despite beautiful design was not convincing when it did come to batter cpu and gpu and also no sd card slot.
What I liked about huawei is that they did copy the good things from apple, but now it seem they are ok with copying the bad sides also, which means
very small battery (for good profit margins) and slow and outdated cpu/gpu.
Apple use outdated and bad hardware and they manage to get the most out of it with very good software. Apple spend a lot of money on the software that is how they get away with such weak specs. Well I hope Mate 8 will be a good spec monster, the software is important but a 3rd party launcher usually does the trick. New Mate 8 will most likely have curved display and for me a very seductive screen to body ratio like no other manufacture.. the Kirrin 950 also seem to me very convincing as long as the GPU is not the bottleneck as it is on M7.
I still do not forget huawei for promising us Lollipop, yet we are still here 9 and half month into 2015 and still no real sign of official release.
I cannot understand what is taking such long time, my only conclusion is why it does take such a long time is because they are not working at it at all.
The status have been on hold for the bigger part of the year, maybe they did work on in it for 1 month, they did not meat the deadline so now the project is on hold that is what I think. Despite what is it worth waiting for lollipop ? if you ask me the answer is no.. Lollipop will satisfy no one now when 6.0 is out.
Also all new function and looks from Lollipop will not be present in the EMUI lollipop.. also same bad animations.. say what you want but animations are damn important...beautiful fast and fluid animations during multi tasking and switching between apps is very important, Apex Launcher did finally give me the smooth and fast animations i wanted from day one..

blackinfinity said:
I did drop the phone on stone floor yesterday now the touch does not work on the majority of the screen.
In panic I have bought a used LG G3 as replacement I got it for a very good price.
yeah So I will probably not be checking this forum so much more... I hope the Mate 8 will be worth update for.
The Mate S despite beautiful design was not convincing when it did come to batter cpu and gpu and also no sd card slot.
What I liked about huawei is that they did copy the good things from apple, but now it seem they are ok with copying the bad sides also, which means
very small battery (for good profit margins) and slow and outdated cpu/gpu.
Apple use outdated and bad hardware and they manage to get the most out of it with very good software. Apple spend a lot of money on the software that is how they get away with such weak specs. Well I hope Mate 8 will be a good spec monster, the software is important but a 3rd party launcher usually does the trick. New Mate 8 will most likely have curved display and for me a very seductive screen to body ratio like no other manufacture.. the Kirrin 950 also seem to me very convincing as long as the GPU is not the bottleneck as it is on M7.
I still do not forget huawei for promising us Lollipop, yet we are still here 9 and half month into 2015 and still no real sign of official release.
I cannot understand what is taking such long time, my only conclusion is why it does take such a long time is because they are not working at it at all.
The status have been on hold for the bigger part of the year, maybe they did work on in it for 1 month, they did not meat the deadline so now the project is on hold that is what I think. Despite what is it worth waiting for lollipop ? if you ask me the answer is no.. Lollipop will satisfy no one now when 6.0 is out.
Also all new function and looks from Lollipop will not be present in the EMUI lollipop.. also same bad animations.. say what you want but animations are damn important...beautiful fast and fluid animations during multi tasking and switching between apps is very important, Apex Launcher did finally give me the smooth and fast animations i wanted from day one..
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I did drop my device too but mine is perfectly smooth and ok except little bit scratch on body corner side...
By the way if u talk about update I can accept but if u talk about device copy let me tell u that iphone had release small screen and now they also releasing with larger one so we can say iphone also perfect copier from other devices...It's 'coz of Huawei brand our country can use mobile with the same level of Samsung and others in lower cost...I accept Huawei update is just like losers but I accept this also Huawei did care about cost of middle men...for iphone I like to say it's just a selfish brand which sell with higher price that everyone can't effort...It's mean wealthy are wealthy and poor don't have value...I like to see get opportunities too everyone and that's bring Huawei and still bringing with upcoming Huawei nexus...
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Fully agree Apple are the biggest rip offs going, overpriced locked pieces of ****.
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You will regret this .. G3 sucks..
You don't know what you want..

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You will regret this .. G3 sucks..
You don't know what you want..
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I do not see it as an upgrade I see it more as an downgrade.. but a solution for now..since I can sell it with not much price lost..
There is no phone out right now I want to pay full price for.. lets see if Mate 8 will change that..
Mate S I will not buy... LetV max is intersting too but.. for this device it is the actual name that ruins it..
http://www.oppomart.com/letv-max1.html

blackinfinity said:
I do not see it as an upgrade I see it more as an downgrade.. but a solution for now..since I can sell it with not much price lost..
There is no phone out right now I want to pay full price for.. lets see if Mate 8 will change that..
Mate S I will not buy... LetV max is intersting too but.. for this device it is the actual name that ruins it..
http://www.oppomart.com/letv-max1.html
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Do not buy letv it is another crap.. fake usb .. it is not 3.1 or 3.0 just 2.0.. and overheating 810..
Huawei says P9 will be very surprising..

Sad...i own both the old mate and the mate7 and being dump i dropped them both but the devices are strong as hell, still working perfect. And just to go on i bought the P8max last week and have to say that this is THE ONLY worthy device to step up. Huawei did a far better job than all the other manufactors, and being able to use sd card or two sims is perfect for me. Never change a winning team.

LG G3 I have had it now for 2 days. at stock it was unusuable very slow and laggy after installing apex with some tweaks and change animations speed in dev options it goes very fast again..it goes faster then Mate 7 now.
Compare to Mate 7 the screen of G3 is really horrible.. 2k in my ass..the contrast and black levels are still crap..
My goal was to buy a phone that I could have temporary and sell it with minimal loss in price.. so I will have G3 now until Mate 8 most likely..
But I have concluded 5.5 is too small.. but 6.0 is almost too big.. I think 5.7 might be the best of both worlds.. never had a 5.7 inch phone..
but 5.5 was definitely smaller then I expected which make it very nice for one hand use.. my thumb go all the way to the left side..

blackinfinity said:
LG G3 I have had it now for 2 days. at stock it was unusuable very slow and laggy after installing apex with some tweaks and change animations speed in dev options it goes very fast again..it goes faster then Mate 7 now.
Compare to Mate 7 the screen of G3 is really horrible.. 2k in my ass..the contrast and black levels are still crap..
My goal was to buy a phone that I could have temporary and sell it with minimal loss in price.. so I will have G3 now until Mate 8 most likely..
But I have concluded 5.5 is too small.. but 6.0 is almost too big.. I think 5.7 might be the best of both worlds.. never had a 5.7 inch phone..
but 5.5 was definitely smaller then I expected which make it very nice for one hand use.. my thumb go all the way to the left side..
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compare to any other devise i can say huawei is the most stable and strongest hardware devises...infact i m using p6 still now even my back battary cover come out when i drop it hardly...I will never ever believe that any other devices can stand so strong like that bcoz i saw how its drop and i saw body crash but screen and hardware still working perfect....I cant blame huawei for their loser updates fail many times, bcoz i m myself did drop my p6 that result me with back cover opened and now mate7 that result me 3 angel of coners crash but both perfect working...i have friends who is using LG,Samsung, Iph but i saw them always screen broken, body over temp, and screen blast(Iph 6plus)...but i never got any experience bcoz i m using huawei...so if u want to use any other device keep shut and use, dont try to say any bad words which makes perfect for others...thanks

blackinfinity said:
LG G3 I have had it now for 2 days. at stock it was unusuable very slow and laggy after installing apex with some tweaks and change animations speed in dev options it goes very fast again..it goes faster then Mate 7 now.
Compare to Mate 7 the screen of G3 is really horrible.. 2k in my ass..the contrast and black levels are still crap..
My goal was to buy a phone that I could have temporary and sell it with minimal loss in price.. so I will have G3 now until Mate 8 most likely..
But I have concluded 5.5 is too small.. but 6.0 is almost too big.. I think 5.7 might be the best of both worlds.. never had a 5.7 inch phone..
but 5.5 was definitely smaller then I expected which make it very nice for one hand use.. my thumb go all the way to the left side..
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Don't expect Mate 8 less than 6'' man ! it might be even over 6'' !! I told u I had G3 and I almost vomited.. that 2k screen does nothing only drains battery.. and when u go to apps resolution goes auto down to 720p and for google chrome even less 640x360 .. just google ''what is my resolution'' and u'll see ..
So text on 2k screen when browsing internet and reading looks jerky , grainy , choppily.. it is not smooth as on 1k screens..

Will you buy another 6 inch phone.. Mate 10 maybe?

With the mate 10 on the horizon, will you stick with Huawei or a different brand. Could you get a similar spec with a budget Chinese phone like Xiaomi?
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Phablet category will be dead soon since all including mate 10 will go over too 18:9 aspect ratio which means a lot smaller screen area...

blackinfinity said:
Phablet category will be dead soon since all including mate 10 will go over too 18:9 aspect ratio which means a lot smaller screen area...
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We are seeing some big players (Samsung, LG, Google) experimenting with 18:9 (2:1) but it will be down to the consumer i guess if these phones are as popular as previous other aspect ratio models.
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First of, I bought my mate 8 less than a year ago, and have no intention of changing it before 2/3 years. It would be a poor choice of a phone if I felt the need to change it every year.
But if by accident I HAD to change it, I think I would look toward the note note 8 rather than than the mate 10. The plus being stylus and waterproof. And since none of those are things are really must-have, I would most probably look for a cheaper large screen phone. Maybe another used mate 8 or mate 7. Or whatever good occasion I can find.
I mean, I can't really see what the mate 10 would do better.
Battery life ? Haven't seen any real gain for years.
Photo quality ? Some progress, but the mate 8 is more than enough for me.
Raw power ? I don't use it much. Mate 8 has more than enough for years to come.
VR ? It's still not good on a smartphone, mate 8 or otherwise..
What I'm trying ot say is that I'm satisfied by my mate 8. But the question is more "are recent phones bringing anything worth the change ?"
For a few years now, phones makers have been strugling to bring anything new of value to the table. Raw power and screen quality have reached a level where they are already beyond what you need for the use of a smartphone. There has been nothing new in battery for years. Photo quality can still get better, with better low light and/or zoom. But it's far from being enough to motivate a change. And soldity/reliability has been progressing very slowly.
Today, I think I could have a Mate 7 or a mate 10 and barely see the difference in everyday use. Both phone would be smooth, have pretty much the same software (with a few tweaks for the mate 7) same battery life, pretty much same internet speed ... one would take slightly better photo, and that's it.

Both mare 8 and 9 I one of the phones that have aged best. Pocketnow did a video about the 9 recently.
Mate 8 does not feel obsolete at all despite being from 2015

6 inch yes... mate/Huawei no..

nice thread and perfect timing id say, kudos to rhe OP!
after the mate 8 (which i will most likely keep for another year at least, especially since there is nothing interesting on the market atm or in the near future, except maybe the xiaomi mi mix 2), i will not be able to go back to anything smaller than 6 inches. it is just so damn nice to have so much screen real estate! and ive gotten used to the size, everything smaller seems tiny in comparison, whereas my mate 8 just seems "normal" in size
i agree with above posters concerning the 2:1 screen ratio that is becoming more popular lately: the diagonal numbers seem to get larger (i.e. S8+ at 6.2 inches) but the actual screen area is actually identical to the mate 8 with 0.2 inches LESS diagonal screen size! so thats something to keep an eye out for when buying a new phone these days.
looking at the bezels of the mate 8 id say a phone with a 16:9 screen of around 6.4-6.5 inches and sporting razorthin bezels on all four sides would be absolutely perfect in screen/overall size and -to-body-ratio
in retrospect, my mate 8 experience so far (about 17 months ownership) has been quite pleasant! its a great phone, excellent battery life (10h sot on average with a range of 8-12h depending on usage intensity), super solid built (feels like a tank but still very graceful and sexy), awesome screen and lots of real estate on it and last, but not least, fluid stable software.
the only real gripe i have with it is that we are dependant on basically one or two major devs, namely kangvip and hrt team, thats it. otherwise we will be EOL once huawei stops publishing firmware upgrades.
nevertheless, i will keep an eye out for the mate 10 and see what it brings to the table
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YOU BET
In 2010, I started with the Dell Streak 5. Oh the looks I got from people "THAT is your phone?" "What do you need
a screen THAT big". This was in the day that 3.5" was the NORMAL size or a smartphone.
Then, I went with the Samsung Galaxy Note1, then the Mate2, and now the Mate8.
I PREFER the larger screen, mostly because my eyesight isn't what it once was, and, because the larger screen
phones usually have larger batteries.
If they make one with smaller bezels, but not 100% bezel-less, with a 4,000mAH or larger battery, that is about or
a little thicker than the Mate2/8, I'll get one.

My mate 8 still works fine.

p51d007 said:
In 2010, I started with the Dell Streak 5. Oh the looks I got from people "THAT is your phone?" "What do you need
a screen THAT big". This was in the day that 3.5" was the NORMAL size or a smartphone.
Then, I went with the Samsung Galaxy Note1, then the Mate2, and now the Mate8.
I PREFER the larger screen, mostly because my eyesight isn't what it once was, and, because the larger screen
phones usually have larger batteries.
If they make one with smaller bezels, but not 100% bezel-less, with a 4,000mAH or larger battery, that is about or
a little thicker than the Mate2/8, I'll get one.
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haha so true! i still remember when the streak came out, it looked HUGE to me nowadays its on the lower half of screen sizes, hahaha. how times change
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kaceps said:
First of, I bought my mate 8 less than a year ago, and have no intention of changing it before 2/3 years. It would be a poor choice of a phone if I felt the need to change it every year.
But if by accident I HAD to change it, I think I would look toward the note note 8 rather than than the mate 10. The plus being stylus and waterproof. And since none of those are things are really must-have, I would most probably look for a cheaper large screen phone. Maybe another used mate 8 or mate 7. Or whatever good occasion I can find.
I mean, I can't really see what the mate 10 would do better.
Battery life ? Haven't seen any real gain for years.
Photo quality ? Some progress, but the mate 8 is more than enough for me.
Raw power ? I don't use it much. Mate 8 has more than enough for years to come.
VR ? It's still not good on a smartphone, mate 8 or otherwise..
What I'm trying ot say is that I'm satisfied by my mate 8. But the question is more "are recent phones bringing anything worth the change ?"
For a few years now, phones makers have been strugling to bring anything new of value to the table. Raw power and screen quality have reached a level where they are already beyond what you need for the use of a smartphone. There has been nothing new in battery for years. Photo quality can still get better, with better low light and/or zoom. But it's far from being enough to motivate a change. And soldity/reliability has been progressing very slowly.
Today, I think I could have a Mate 7 or a mate 10 and barely see the difference in everyday use. Both phone would be smooth, have pretty much the same software (with a few tweaks for the mate 7) same battery life, pretty much same internet speed ... one would take slightly better photo, and that's it.
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Totally agree with this

vervester said:
With the mate 10 on the horizon, will you stick with Huawei or a different brand. Could you get a similar spec with a budget Chinese phone like Xiaomi?
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i don't stick huawei.
i'll buy xiaomi if they release gooe one.
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/dev/null_dd said:
i don't stick huawei.
i'll buy xiaomi if they release gooe one.
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yeah im curious about their upcoming mi mix 2, should be interesting

Speculations about Mate 10.
Kirin 970 chipset, 18:9 6-inch 2160x1080px screen, 3D sensing dual cameras.
http://www.gsmarena.com/due_in_the_...will_have_an_edgetoedge_screen-news-26022.php

6"? Yes.
Huawei? No. The build and quality are fantastic. Though, EMUI still needs a lot of bug fixes.
I didn't realize people cared (so much) about aspect ratio over hardware and software.
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anwedr said:
6"? Yes.
Huawei? No. The build and quality are fantastic. Though, EMUI still needs a lot of bug fixes.
I didn't realize people cared (so much) about aspect ratio over hardware and software.
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we dont i just said its important to consider that with 18:9 screens we actually get less screen area than with 16:9 screens at identical inches.

I think the strategy behind 9:18 is that its different to what the last generation of phones have, it will look a bit different, so seem attractive. We have had super high res screens before for a while (LG G3 etc) but 9:18 is something new. Thing is we keep falling for it :-/
in a perfect world id like something with a similar sized screen to the mate 8, significantly lighter (feels a bit of a tank in the hand if I'm honest) excellent battery life ( 16 SOT) and a camera that could really produce stunning shots in all conditions. Ok, maybe a few years away with all that but the upgrades we now have are pretty marginal and I think the mobile phone companies are clutching at straws in terms of upgrade possibilities with todays technology.
Like most I'm in no rush to upgrade the Mate 8, if rumor is to be believed we will see Android O at some point but I wont hold my breath, having said that, Battery life has took a major hit since upgrading from marshmallow to Nougat.

vervester said:
I think the strategy behind 9:18 is that its different to what the last generation of phones have, it will look a bit different, so seem attractive. We have had super high res screens before for a while (LG G3 etc) but 9:18 is something new. Thing is we keep falling for it :-/
in a perfect world id like something with a similar sized screen to the mate 8, significantly lighter (feels a bit of a tank in the hand if I'm honest) excellent battery life ( 16 SOT) and a camera that could really produce stunning shots in all conditions. Ok, maybe a few years away with all that but the upgrades we now have are pretty marginal and I think the mobile phone companies are clutching at straws in terms of upgrade possibilities with todays technology.
Like most I'm in no rush to upgrade the Mate 8, if rumor is to be believed we will see Android O at some point but I wont hold my breath, having said that, Battery life has took a major hit since upgrading from marshmallow to Nougat.
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mmm yes and no. actually, its our own (the consumer`s) fault: samsung, LG and others did their market research including consumer questioning and the result was this: consumer wants bigger screens but without the hassle of a phone too wide to hold in one hand! solution? easy: make the screens longer but stick to the same width! thus we get 18:9 screens, voila
nice benefit for the manufacturers / for marketing: diagonal size in inches increases by a LOT (i.e. friggin 6.2 inches diagonal on S8+) but screen real estate doesnt increase as much as with 16:9 screens! (again: mate 8 with 6.0 inch screen has same display area as S8+ with "bigger" 6.2 inch screen )

jbmc83 said:
mmm yes and no. actually, its our own (the consumer`s) fault: samsung, LG and others did their market research including consumer questioning and the result was this: consumer wants bigger screens but without the hassle of a phone too wide to hold in one hand! solution? easy: make the screens longer but stick to the same width! thus we get 18:9 screens, viola
nice benefit: diagonal size in inches increases by a LOT (i.e. friggin 6.2 inches diagonal on S8+) but screen real estate doesnt increase as much as with 16:9 screens! (again: mate 8 with 6.0 inch screen has same display area as S8+ with "bigger" 6.2 inch screen )
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That's a fair comment, and I can see why a narrower phone with similar screen size would appeal to some. Also I guess it's a bit more pocketable. Personally tho I like 16:9 but guess I wouldn't rule out something slightly easier in the pocket.
Xiaomi Chiron anyone?
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/07/rumor-xiaomi-chiron-flagship-sport-6-inch-189-screen.html
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anwedr said:
6"? Yes.
Huawei? No. The build and quality are fantastic. Though, EMUI still needs a lot of bug fixes.
I didn't realize people cared (so much) about aspect ratio over hardware and software.
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18:9 is the new cancer that we have to live with.. People are stupid they think 6 inches with 18:9 is bigger then on 16:9 for instance..
screeb area is actually less with the same inch size on 18:9.
People still when talking about phone sizes mostly talk about "inches" but you need to know the aspect ratio now also..

Mi A1 over Nexus 4

Hello,
I am thinking of finally giving up my Nexus 4 and Mi A1 seems like a proper replacement. The one thing I don't like about it is the size, I am used to keep my phone in a pocket and use it with only one hand.
What do you guys think of the size? I am yet to hold it in hands since I need to find a store with the phone in stock.
I also read about problem with low light condition of the camera, but over N4 that I think will be an improvement.
It's a shame I cannot put Nexus 5 X on the list, since the boot loop is a real problem with that one.
Really looking to what you guys think.
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I've made the same decision, and I'm very happy with what I got. Size is just a pleasant surprise. Although A1 is not a light phone, the weight and size is not a big problem, at least for me. One handed use is fine, if you don't use a keyboard frequently. Even so, I recommend to try it in your hands if ypu can. Trying out GNote 4 is a alternative choice, if you can't find A1 near you. Size and weight of note 4 is similar with A1(to be specific, note 4 is little larger and heavier).
Everything(including camera) is a huge improvement, mostly screen size, performance and battery life. It will be an excellent choice.
About the 5X, no offence to 5X users, it isn't even an option. 2GB of ram in ARM64 device is not a thing. I used it before, suffered from huge ram shortage and hot phone, not to mention constant fear of phone suddenly dying. Camera is better than A1, but that's all...

if you want to test the size mate just look for a similar 5.5 inch phones, there is not much difference between them and yeah the camera isnt great in the dark but it is still a very good phone

Thank you for your fast response! I will test other 5.5 phones and will reach a conclusion.
Pretty sure it's the best choice for the price and also for a Nexus user. Pixel is great but even the 1st version is too expensive for my taste.

One more thing that is very important to me: did anyone test the mic while recording in loud environment like a club or concert? Was the sound distorted?

natzy85 said:
One more thing that is very important to me: did anyone test the mic while recording in loud environment like a club or concert? Was the sound distorted?
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I don't remember how well the N4 fares when it comes to recording in noisy environments, but the A1 definitely falls short in that field. It cuts the lower frequencies and yes the audio you get is distorted. For my usage it's bearable, but if you plan to use the phone to regularly records live music look somewhere else.
Otherwise it's a splendid and equilibrated phone considering the price tag.
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Thanks for the heads up. The Nexus 4 also gets the sound distorted but with the right kernel I can control the mic gain.
Maybe we can change that in the future.

Try this video, it is not music, and not a club, but construction site is also rather loud.

Fredoslaw said:
Try this video, it is not music, and not a club, but construction site is also rather loud.
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Thank you!

Mmm difficult question. I'm very happy with the phone, great, really great battery life, fast processor and clean Android with fast updates.
But my next phone will definitely be smaller. The only thing about the MiA1 that I don't like... is the size. I don't have very large hands an when I try to type and hold the phone with one hand, it starts getting uncomfortable. It's not a deal breaker for me, but if a company releases smaller similar phone, with smaller bezels or an 5.0/5.1 inch screen, I'll absolutely trade this device and get the smaller version.

Remuzzz said:
Mmm difficult question. I'm very happy with the phone, great, really great battery life, fast processor and clean Android with fast updates.
But my next phone will definitely be smaller. The only thing about the MiA1 that I don't like... is the size. I don't have very large hands an when I try to type and hold the phone with one hand, it starts getting uncomfortable. It's not a deal breaker for me, but if a company releases smaller similar phone, with smaller bezels or an 5.0/5.1 inch screen, I'll absolutely trade this device and get the smaller version.
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Couldn't Redmi 4x be a better choice?