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Anyone use a DAC?

Evening all.
Although I don't expect stellar sound from any mobile, I want to make the best of my S7E. My 50+ year old ears can't differentiate between my carefully ripped and converted CD FLACs and mp3s, but I'd appreciate a little more oomph.
Looking for a small cheap DAC, the Audioquest Dragonfly Black is contender #1 due to availability, coupled with USB Audio Player Pro.
Any tips/advice/experiences/critique will be hugely aporeciated.

Actually, HTC10, LG V10 and sony (almost all) phones (seriously, the old Xperia E1 sounds a lot better that GS7 with headphones) have a really good audio because they have a dedicated audio chip, there be more out there, but I know those
and about DAC I could recommend to you the audioquest dragonfly black, audioquest dragonfly red (a little better than black), and if u want a little more quality (and options) I shall name the oppo HA-2 (or the HA-2SE for the best sound)

Thanks QBerto. I was aware that the phones you mentioned sound better - a colleague has the HTC10 and it frankly blows the S7E away soundwise.
The Oppo DACs look tempting, but not sure I can justify the price for use with my old IEMs (Sennheiser IE 8). Right now I think I'd rather upgrade the earphones and see if/how a cheaper DAC works with them.
Not a huge choice of instore DACs here, but I want to audition ASAP and am too impatient to order online ?

The dragonfly black really improved the audio quality of my (exynos) s7e + it is very portable and does not affect the battery too much. You have to use very good IEMs to utilize it effectively.

the audio will be improved a lot with the dragonfly ones, they are actually pretty good (also ur earphones are not bad), so if is your first time trying a dac, is a really good start, I have owned the three of those dacs, and I'm sure the Oppo one worth it, but in my case, becasue I take advantege of all of their connections xD, still again, the dragonfly worth it too u won't regret it!

I use a Fiio E17K via USB-OTG and USB Audio Player Pro with my S7 Edge. Excellent for the price.

Thanks to all for the input - very helpful.
I'm going to go for the Dragonfly Black. Cheap (about 90 Euro here in Norway), so a safe purchase as my first DAC. The FiiO E17K looks very tempting too (215 Euros here), I'll consider it for a later date. Will buy new IEMs too - I love my IE8s, but they're 7 or 8 years old now and a bit battered. Any recommendations in the 300 Euro range, preferably with a mic?
I was inspired to dig my old Cowon S9 out of my desk drawer last night. Oh my... now THAT's quality. Time to resurrect it for non-casual use

I'm using the B&O Modul that came with my dad's LG G5. I like it a lot. Although i must say that the sound of my S7Edges Exynos DAC with adapt sound enabled is pretty good too! But the B&O DAC amplifies a lot!

Nothing wrong with the dac in the Exynos version at least - what you need is an amp depending on your headphones (doesn't really matter which one you choose). People usually say "oh this is so much better" when in reality they couldn't tell a difference when doing a blind test. Some audio myths for those interested.

Toss3 said:
Nothing wrong with the dac in the Exynos version at least - what you need is an amp depending on your headphones (doesn't really matter which one you choose). People usually say "oh this is so much better" when in reality they couldn't tell a difference when doing a blind test. Some audio myths for those interested.
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Agree. The amp in the Dragonfly will suffice hopefully. And I ABXed myself to death 5 years ago, can't differentiate between FLAC and vbr mp3.
Buying RHA T20 IEMs on a friend's recommendation.

I personally use a Fiio Q1 (simply because I've had it for ages) and while it offers more clarity, and in my opinion better rounded low-ends, but it would also depend on the headphones you use.
I couldn't recommend the Q1 enough.
It's a fantastic little bit of kit, however it's a little large compared to the Dragonfly.
Just my two cents

On the contrary, my S7E with chord mojo provides top shelf portable sound that can rival many desktop setups costin 5x. As long as you're sending bitperfect data source doesnt really matter much. UAPP is BY FAR the best music app.
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B3311 said:
Thanks to all for the input - very helpful.
I'm going to go for the Dragonfly Black. Cheap (about 90 Euro here in Norway), so a safe purchase as my first DAC. The FiiO E17K looks very tempting too (215 Euros here), I'll consider it for a later date. Will buy New IEMs too - I love my IE8s, but they're 7 or 8 years old now and a bit battered. Any recommendations in the 300 Euro range, preferably with a mic?
I was inspired to dig my old Cowon S9 out of my desk drawer last night. Oh my... now THAT's quality. Time to resurrect it for non-casual use
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ike_1985 said:
On the contrary, my S7E with chord mojo provides top shelf portable sound that can rival many desktop setups costin 5x. As long as you're sending bitperfect data source doesnt really matter much. UAPP is BY FAR the best music app.
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EMPIRE EARS has paired with Asius technologies to release their new lineup of IEM/CIEMs feaaturing ADEL module technology. Highly suggest you look into this revolutionary tech.
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Hadn't heard of them before. But at at an entry level of $430 they're unnecessary for me. If my ears were 20 years younger I'd be interested, but they'd be wasted on this 70s-Funk-bass damaged pair?
Bought the RHA T20s I mentioned. Really impressed, can't fault them yet. A bargain at €200.

Has anyone figured out how to actually user our DAC?

It is driving me crazy that we can get this thing to output at 24bit/192k Hz or even just 24bit/96k (I would be perfectly fine with 96k as I can honestly barely tell the difference between 96 and 192).
I was listening to some 24bit vinyl stuff on my phone and I could help but wondered why it sounded "dull" for lack of a better term. Back into PC and all of a sudden all of the high end clarity is back (relieved to know I am not going deaf).
But this leads be to the question, our phones must be downsampling to 48K. Even Neutron says it can only sample 48hz so what the deal? I know the DAC in this phone is supposed to support something absurd like 32bit/356k Hz but it seems like it is only outputting 48K.
Is it just me, or are my ears lying to me lol???

You are correct. The phone downsamples and converts everything to 48khz pcm. Nobody who buys this phone seems to care about it and LG is not in any hurry to correct it.

mlknez said:
You are correct. The phone downsamples and converts everything to 48khz pcm. Nobody who buys this phone seems to care about it and LG is not in any hurry to correct it.
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I rather suspect that the large majority of V20 owners don't have any true hi-res music files
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douger1957 said:
I rather suspect that the large majority of V20 owners don't have any true hi-res music files
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If it's true hi res at DSD (DIFF), WAV 24/96 at least, or flac 24/96 or the very least flac 24/48, and with a good quality headset, IEM or CANS, you should hear the differences, forget the B&O one's, they don't make much differences, then you know the quality. Never compare the V20 with any standalone DAP, maybe low quality one's.

kms108 said:
If it's true hi res at DSD (DIFF), WAV 24/96 at least, or flac 24/96 or the very least flac 24/48, and with a good quality headset, IEM or CANS, you should hear the differences, forget the B&O one's, they don't make much differences, then you know the quality. Never compare the V20 with any standalone DAP, maybe low quality one's.
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I use a pair of AKG k240s when I am out and about. I use my Q701s often, but I was really eager to try the k501s with the v20, and I am really sad this phone isn't utilizing the DAC properly.
(I'm an AKG guy btw haha)

shadowxaero said:
I use a pair of AKG k240s when I am out and about. I use my Q701s often, but I was really eager to try the k501s with the v20, and I am really sad this phone isn't utilizing the DAC properly.
(I'm an AKG guy btw haha)
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My V20 seems to be using it, with the hifi dac toggled on and off , I can clearly hear the differences, when compared to my G5 hifi DAC, it sound slightly better, but only a marginal better, I think it all comes down to the quality of the components use, either way my sony ZX 2 sound way better, but my xperia X performance does not compare to the LG.
Ilike sony, you can see my IEM collection below in the sig, going to pickup a pair of MDR EX1000.

kms108 said:
My V20 seems to be using it, with the hifi dac toggled on and off , I can clearly hear the differences, when compared to my G5 hifi DAC, it sound slightly better, but only a marginal better, I think it all comes down to the quality of the components use, either way my sony ZX 2 sound way better, but my xperia X performance does not compare to the LG.
Ilike sony, you can see my IEM collection below in the sig, going to pickup a pair of MDR EX1000.
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To me it just sounds like when I toggle the hi-fi mode it is just pushing more voltage. Just a glorified "gain" control lol. It gets louder but no clearer and still sounds a bit hollow. when I compare to my sound blaster z direct stereo mode the v20 is crap. And it's saddening because we all know it has the hardware to be so much more. Some one get an LG rep in these forums lol.

shadowxaero said:
To me it just sounds like when I toggle the hi-fi mode it is just pushing more voltage. Just a glorified "gain" control lol. It gets louder but no clearer and still sounds a bit hollow. when I compare to my sound blaster z direct stereo mode the v20 is crap. And it's saddening because we all know it has the hardware to be so much more. Some one get an LG rep in these forums lol.
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I think it sound more that louder, it has a slight differences in tone.

shadowxaero said:
To me it just sounds like when I toggle the hi-fi mode it is just pushing more voltage. Just a glorified "gain" control lol. It gets louder but no clearer and still sounds a bit hollow. when I compare to my sound blaster z direct stereo mode the v20 is crap. And it's saddening because we all know it has the hardware to be so much more. Some one get an LG rep in these forums lol.
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I have to admit that this is true when compare between my Xonar and the phone. I am very disappointed and the only reason I keep it cuz v10 is so slow now. Better Audio for audiophile?? my ass, just louder, all sounded like mp3, so why must we use flac. Not to mention the camera is super dull for late 2016.

mlknez said:
You are correct. The phone downsamples and converts everything to 48khz pcm. Nobody who buys this phone seems to care about it and LG is not in any hurry to correct it.
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I see you love to spread misinformation.
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shadowxaero said:
It is driving me crazy that we can get this thing to output at 24bit/192k Hz or even just 24bit/96k (I would be perfectly fine with 96k as I can honestly barely tell the difference between 96 and 192).
I was listening to some 24bit vinyl stuff on my phone and I could help but wondered why it sounded "dull" for lack of a better term. Back into PC and all of a sudden all of the high end clarity is back (relieved to know I am not going deaf).
But this leads be to the question, our phones must be downsampling to 48K. Even Neutron says it can only sample 48hz so what the deal? I know the DAC in this phone is supposed to support something absurd like 32bit/356k Hz but it seems like it is only outputting 48K.
Is it just me, or are my ears lying to me lol???
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Go into LG world, HiFi and grab true high res music and play it in stock LG music app. You will see how well it works.
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Any player will play those files... however, every player is decimating the files down to 48khz prior to sending them to the DAC because the phone is reporting that 48khz pcm is the only available ability of the DAC.
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I see you love to spread misinformation.
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Your player is playing the files, but before it sends the info to the DAC, it is decimating them to the best reported rate, which is 48khz pcm.

BROKEN1981 said:
Go into LG world, HiFi and grab true high res music and play it in stock LG music app. You will see how well it works.
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I'm not sure what your on about, I have 24bit/192k files already, why do I need LGs? I also have tracks I have recorded at 24bit/96k and personally mixed and mastered my self. I know how down sample audio sounds.
The problem isn't the files its the fact that the DAC isn't outputting anything higher than 48k. I'm not sure if you have any other DACs you can test with but that fact that there is a major difference between my sound blaster z and the v20 is proof enough that the DAC isn't functioning as it should.

Hearing is not a one sound fits all.
The DAC Hi-Fi on the V20 does an excellent job compaired to many other phones out there.
At least with my V20 I can hear the over all better quality of playback when turning on Hi-Fi. The music is much more rich. And tones that I have never heard in music before can now be heard.

shwnr11 said:
Hearing is not a one sound fits all.
The DAC Hi-Fi on the V20 does an excellent job compaired to many other phones out there.
At least with my V20 I can hear the over all better quality of playback when turning on Hi-Fi. The music is much more rich. And tones that I have never heard in music before can now be heard.
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That doesn't change the fact that many of us bought this device for specific reason. Once of the biggest reason for me personally was because the ES9218 has some really impressive specifications. If supports DSD and yet converts to PCM. I have a problem with that, it isn't functioning as it should. It supports 32 bit stereo at an outrageous 384Khz and yet decimates everything to to 48Khz. So that means for those of us who have invested in good pair of cans, we are upset.
I am glad you think is sounds good and I don't want to take away from your experience but it does not change the fact that 24bit 96/192khz files sound like crap coming out of this phone compared to a DAC outputting the signal correctly.

shadowxaero said:
I am glad you think is sounds good and I don't want to take away from your experience but it does not change the fact that 24bit 96/192khz files sound like crap coming out of this phone compared to a DAC outputting the signal correctly.
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What are you using to play your files.
You mentioned neuron, but what about the stock player?
Its very possible that its not the phone that's the issue. But the software / player your using could be the problem instead.

Just received my male to female adapter today and all i got to say is Wawwww. I am hooked...

shwnr11 said:
What are you using to play your files.
You mentioned neuron, but what about the stock player?
Its very possible that its not the phone that's the issue. But the software / player your using could be the problem instead.
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I have used the stock player, poweramp, neurtron, JetAudio lol all of them down-sample the audio. The phone is definitely the issue. If you have another DAC that outputs at 192kHz you would be able to tell very easily that the v20 is down sampling to 48kHz

shadowxaero said:
I have used the stock player, poweramp, neurtron, JetAudio lol all of them down-sample the audio. The phone is definitely the issue. If you have another DAC that outputs at 192kHz you would be able to tell very easily that the v20 is down sampling to 48kHz
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Your software could be down sampling. Not the hardware.

shadowxaero said:
That doesn't change the fact that many of us bought this device for specific reason. Once of the biggest reason for me personally was because the ES9218 has some really impressive specifications. If supports DSD and yet converts to PCM. I have a problem with that, it isn't functioning as it should. It supports 32 bit stereo at an outrageous 384Khz and yet decimates everything to to 48Khz. So that means for those of us who have invested in good pair of cans, we are upset.
I am glad you think is sounds good and I don't want to take away from your experience but it does not change the fact that 24bit 96/192khz files sound like crap coming out of this phone compared to a DAC outputting the signal correctly.
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@shadowxaero -
@beavis5706 mentioned in his testing of the V10 that:
"I have done some more tests given the information provided here and I have come up with some answers. An interruption when switching the DAC on/off signifies a player that can output true hi-res. I did some test recordings on Audacity through the input on my laptop with a music file that has known frequency response up to 88,200Hz. The players that can output true hi-res (the ones that interrupt with DAC on/off) play those frequencies all the way up with no cutoff. The players that cannot (no interruption with DAC on/off) are using Android's internal resampler and are getting resampled to 48kHz (24,000Hz frequency response).
The players I have found that can output true hi-res are ZPlayer, PlayerPro, Shuttle+ (thank you stupc), LG stock music player, Google Play Music and ES File Explorer media player.
Having said that my ears tell me that all players work with the DAC. However only the ones I have listed above can output true hi-res. The rest, while they do still sound good and do benefit from the DAC, are not outputting true hi-res and are instead being resampled to 48kHz." (from post #7 of http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v10/general/music-apps-using-dac-t3252596)
My understanding is that this is likely true for the V20 as well, as really only the OS and the hardware changed and it's extremely likely that LG did as little changes as possible considering their rocky start with the LG V10, which has the exact same re-sampling issue.
So that's 6 music player apps that actually bypass the down-sampling on the V10 and probably the V20, but the only way we can know for sure on the V20 is if someone with a similar test bench to @beavis5706 can replicate his work on the V10 testing music player apps on the V20.
So who has a good sound card, test tones over 24 KHz in a hires file, and Audacity or the like?

US Version Headphone Jack VS. Competition

Can anyone chime in on the quality of the audio Jack?
I would like to not order the Asian version if the US Version can compete with atleast the V20.
I loved my V20....
Please tell me it's pretty good?

I had the V10 with a boot loop. I never tried it with my DT 1770 Pro's, but the G6 can push them to a decent volume with nice clarity. Ti had to boost the sub-bass frequencies by about 1-2dbs to give a bit more warmth compared to my setup with the Fiio X5 & E12 setup. Keep in mind though that the G6 does have a 32bit / 192kbps chip inside the US version, and for most people it is plenty powerful to push their headphones. With that said, the V10 and V20 surely had more power to push headphones, but the G6 still sounds pretty good.
But just an FYI, I always use a dedicated music player instead of a phone for listening to music. But compared to the Fiio X5 (not paired with an amp), the G6 does not have a lot of power to push the 1770's to high volume levels. Keep in mind these cans are rated at 250 ohms and a SPL measurement of 102, making them not the hardest cans to push, but certainly not the easiest still.

Thanks for that in depth reply.
I am no audiophile, but I sure do appreciate a good set of wired headphones.
And didn't know the US G6 had a 32bit. The more you know.
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Jooosty said:
Thanks for that in depth reply.
I am no audiophile, but I sure do appreciate a good set of wired headphones.
And didn't know the US G6 had a 32bit. The more you know.
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Not a problem!
My mistake, I actually do NOT know if the DAC in the US variant of the G6 has a 32bit dac, but it certainly doesn't sound bad at all. It doesn't change my original statement about the sound quality. Plus, I've heard much worse from other phones.
Edit: I put on a few of my FLAC 24bit/192kbps songs onto an SD Card and it plays just fine. Poweramp also displays the correct metadata (FLAC 24bit/192kbps) when playing the song. Not sure if its actually outputting at those specs, but it sure does sound nice! lol

How is the sound quality in the NON QUAD DAC version?

Hi guys, just want to know how is the sound quality in the NON QUAD DAC version. Is it good enough? Maybe like the HTC 10, Axon 7 or Galaxy S7 sound quality? I know it must be worse than the QUAD DAC version, but how much worse? Is it still worth it or if i'm looking for a good sound smartphone i should look for another one? Where i live the version being sold is the 32GB H870.

Same as like LG G4. Over compressed weak output.
My only hope:Root-custom kernel.soundmode (Imperium G4 rom included)

kabirjedi said:
Same as like LG G4. Over compressed weak output.
My only hope:Root-custom kernel.soundmode (Imperium G4 rom included)
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It's that bad? It doesn't has a more simple DAC? It's using the Qualcomm one?

Mate! The HTC 10 sound quality is worlds apart from this phone. I have the g6 and am returning it due to the weak audio output. Don't know why LG gave us Europe nothing. Oh well.
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godofpornings said:
Mate! The HTC 10 sound quality is worlds apart from this phone. I have the g6 and am returning it due to the weak audio output. Don't know why LG gave us Europe nothing. Oh well.
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That's sad to hear. I'm not going to buy it then.

I think it sounds pretty good.
General consensus is that it sounds just a bit worse than the V20's Quad DAC and better than Galaxy S7, close to HTC M10's quality. Most users and reviewers are impressed.
I believe it does have a DAC. At least i've read that somewhere but i'm not 100% sure.
Offcorse it all depends on headphones. If you have cheap, ****ty headphones no amount of DAC can help you.

WstrKuNoužč said:
I think it sounds pretty great.
General consensus is that it sounds just a bit worse than the V20's Quad DAC and better than Galaxy S7, very close to HTC M10's quality. Most users and reviewers are impressed.
I believe it does have a DAC. At least i've read that somewhere but i'm not 100% sure.
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Its not anywhere near HTC 10 audio quality.
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Its not anywhere near HTC 10 audio quality.
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I don't own HTC 10 so i can't know that BUT i did see a lot of ppl on forums saying and agreeing it's pretty close to it quality wise.

WstrKuNoužč said:
I don't own HTC 10 so i can't know that BUT i did see a lot of ppl on forums saying and agreeing it's pretty close to it quality wise.
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No no no. The HTC 10 has a built in DAC and a amp which really makes the music stand out compared to any other phone I have ever owned. Too bad I sold it after a year and upgraded to the g6.
The g6 is a amazing phone only let down by the audio output. If they put the quad DAC in all units then that would of made this phone godly.
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No no no. The HTC 10 has a built in DAC and a amp which really makes the music stand out compared to any other phone I have ever owned. Too bad I sold it after a year and upgraded to the g6.
The g6 is a amazing phone only let down by the audio output. If they put the quad DAC in all units then that would of made this phone godly.
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As i said i think it does have DAC. It is true that the output volume is not as high as M10's BUT that also depends on headphones.
If you got a pair of good headphones it's gonna sound great and loud. The headphones that come with G6 are pretty crappy tho...
All-in-all M10 is an audiophile phone so it's probably designed for high and low quality headphones meaning even crappy headphones sound okay-ish or at least a lot better than on other "normal" phones.

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As i said i think it does have DAC. It is true that the output volume is not as high as M10's BUT that also depends on headphones.
If you got a pair of good headphones it's gonna sound great and loud. The headphones that come with G6 are pretty crappy tho...
All-in-all M10 is an audiophile phone so it's probably designed for high and low quality headphones meaning even crappy headphones sound okay-ish or at least a lot better than on other "normal" phones.
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Yeah that's true. I'm using the hi Res headfones I got from the HTC 10. The g6 has no DAC. The sound quality is very poor for a flagship phone for £600 I must say. But each to there own.
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I use the free vlc player and the 10 level equalizer along with my library of flac music. I run it onto my fender audio system (jetta) via Bluetooth and the sound is incredible. Deep bass, great mids and vocals. The sound with the headphone jack into the aux port isn't noticably better. I highly recommend vlc's free player, I had no idea that it would sound so good. Just play around with each equalizer level till your music sounds the way you want it to. Make sure you start with the levels flat, then go from there. I also put my music on a 128gb Samsung microsdxc card which I purchased on Amazon for only 30.99 I also highly recommend this card. Not as fast as more expensive cards but sound quality can't be beat. Model MB-MP128D. Peace..

Sound is OK it's not bad. But compared to my V10 the sound pales. Not as clean output or wide/deep sound signature.
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LOL. Every digital device that outputs sound has to have a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), it just converts those 1 and 0 binary codes to electric signal. It's just the quality differs due to price. Some DACs have enough power on their own to drive small headphones, what sets "audiophile" smartphones apart is the addition of an Amp, it takes the electric signal from DAC and amplifies it to drive more power to large headphones with high impedance.

Is there any point in keeping my g5 for its b&o dac or not I have a s8 now well law has had it 6months

Can I use Google headphone adapter from Pixel 2 on my LG G6? Dac and Amp inside Google's headphone adapter is pretty good and powerful, same as Iphone 7 headphone adapter. I bought G6 few days ago (version without Quad DAC) and I think this should be one of possible alternatives for great sounding headphones quality.

Windforce0511 said:
Can I use Google headphone adapter from Pixel 2 on my LG G6? Dac and Amp inside Google's headphone adapter is pretty good and powerful, same as Iphone 7 headphone adapter. I bought G6 few days ago (version without Quad DAC) and I think this should be one of possible alternatives for great sounding headphones quality.
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Yes,
I use the adapter from an Essential PH-1

Normal one doesn't sound very good but with quad-DAC it is outstanding IMO.

quadacless g6 sound big nothing....

tech_head said:
Yes,
I use the adapter from an Essential PH-1
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How is it compared to Google's one? I know adapter from Google is sounding 99% same as one from Iphone. I haven't tried Google one yet, but one from Iphone is very powerfull and have wide sound stage. I don't know where tu buy it btw..

LG V20 is it better for in ear headphones?

Hello people, so I'm the kind of person who listen music every day on my headphones, right now I'm using Sony MDR-XB50APW and they might not be the most expensive headphonse they are pretty good. As for my phone, I have HTC M7 wich is really really old. I'm thinking to buy a new phone and my mind goes to LG V20, over the LG G6.
Now my wonders are,
- is LG V20 a good pick right now at this time? should I look for a much newer phone? the budget allows me to buy a phone in V20 price range.
- I heard that LG V20 has a special 3.5 dac that lets you enjoy music with big headphones, but what about the small ones? the in ear headphones, does V20 sounds better than other phones? for example HTC M7 has beats audio, wich is pretty garbage for today standards but still, I only to listen music on V20 on in ear headphones.
- is V20 overall a good pick right now? I play it to buy it in 2-4 months from now.

The absolute best audio experience I've ever had from a phone. You don't have to have the 200 dollar earbuds to hear the difference. All ear buds I've tried between my V20 and S7 took a gain from the quad DAC. Premium headsets still benefit the most . Real HiFi audio played in flac is unparalleled.

When it comes to audio quality, the v20 is among the best. Literally is the best audio I've ever heard from any mobile device ever. The only thing that I own that beats the v20 is a custom built desktop with a Soundblaster zxr modded with a set of Burson audio v6 chips on it (about a 400 dollar audio card while modded like that)

You absolutely must use a set that kicks of the full power and glory of the DAC\AMP. All other solutions are no better then decaf coffee, non-alcoholic beer or a blow up love doll. They have (HAVE) to be over 50 ohms with 150 being the sweet spot. There are plenty of great IEM\s ear speakers from Aliexpress that sound great ToneKings, Venture Electronics, etc at very reasonable prices. Get the V20 at these wonderful prices (<$300). It is equivalent to dedicated DAPS costing 3 to 5 time more (I'm looking at you Astell&Kern).

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You absolutely must use a set that kicks of the full power and glory of the DAC\AMP. All other solutions are no better then decaf coffee, non-alcoholic beer or a blow up love doll. They have (HAVE) to be over 50 ohms with 150 being the sweet spot. There are plenty of great IEM\s ear speakers from Aliexpress that sound great ToneKings, Venture Electronics, etc at very reasonable prices. Get the V20 at these wonderful prices (<$300). It is equivalent to dedicated DAPS costing 3 to 5 time more (I'm looking at you Astell&Kern).
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well as I said in my main post, I use a sony pair of in ear headphones. 4 - 24000 Hz & 40 Ohm ... hope they are enough to feel the difference xD or hit the sweet spot as you said

iLikebigdacs said:
well as I said in my main post, I use a sony pair of in ear headphones. 4 - 24000 Hz & 40 Ohm ... hope they are enough to feel the difference xD or hit the sweet spot as you said
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Don't listen to that guy. You don't need anything that kicks in High impedance.
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dartinbout said:
You absolutely must use a set that kicks of the full power and glory of the DAC\AMP. All other solutions are no better then decaf coffee, non-alcoholic beer or a blow up love doll. They have (HAVE) to be over 50 ohms with 150 being the sweet spot. There are plenty of great IEM\s ear speakers from Aliexpress that sound great ToneKings, Venture Electronics, etc at very reasonable prices. Get the V20 at these wonderful prices (<$300). It is equivalent to dedicated DAPS costing 3 to 5 time more (I'm looking at you Astell&Kern).
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That is clearly not true. You don't need anything that is high impedance.
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I scored a VS995 a little over a week ago and I've tried the HiFi DAC toggle and I honestly cant tell much of a difference. There may be a sliver of extra clarity in the upper treble range but that's it. No extra stereo separation and sound stage is about the same. Quite honestly it sounds flat to me.
Ive played with equalizer fx from the play store because of the absent native eq and that wakes up the sound to me. The effects tab with bass boost (bass on top of bass), virtualization (introduces a little hiss) and loudness (a slider for the bold) make up for some of this because they do a little more than the portray.
It shows the potential on the power and clarity side of this quad DAC/AMP combo to where the volume plenty loud at 50 and 55+ is asking for ear problems. My testing source is Spotify(free) set at high quality. I tried not to fatigue my ears on treble listing on Phillips SHE3581 and various custom built speakers on a sure "8w x 8w" amp at 16v. Nothing pricey but not total junk. In the end, with the eq, it sounds good and the volume boost over my Xperia Z3v is welcome but I miss the treble clarity and smooth bass response it put out. At times I still get the Z3v to listen to music with it. . . like right now. I'll invest into a better set of headphones later down the road that are 60+ bucks. SHP 9500/s? or some sennheizers.

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Don't listen to that guy. You don't need anything that kicks in High impedance.
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That is clearly not true. You don't need anything that is high impedance.
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Obviously any reported improvement is subjective but, when the V20 plays local 24\192 flac's (there is no streaming service that makes use of the dac at present, as they don't provide sufficient band width) and I use >50 ohm headphone. HD 650, Fostex t50, ATH MSRNC, Hifiman Massdrop R00, Toneking 150 and a few others, then "subjectively" my socks fall down (literally, as I can't keep from dancing around). I humbly suggest that you just try this little recipe but get your garters ready, otherwise the chill you might feel, at ankle level,is no accident.
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(i never liked Nescafe, near beer or squeaky girls named n0ra, but others might 8*)

I use shure se846-cl IEM's, verizon lg v20 with a bump to simulate higher impedance connected to an IFi IE match adapter for hissing elimination, not really needed on v20 but otherwise the IEM's are only 9 ohm at certain frequencies, i wouldnt use the extra power w/o it. And you guys have to try the new SAURON AINUR AUDIO MOD FOR MAGISK!!! a Russian found a totally better cleaner way of doing audio mods, blows arise out of the water, trust me. The Bass is so much tighter, puncher and more tunable to precision, with way less bloat and ported crap that mostly don't work anyway. And u can use viper, atmos, and a few other mods with it. "Amazing Quality" Read the thread! He just got it working for phones with dac's, but be warned it's pretty early in development so if u don't like to take risks or not good with magisk mods as I wasnt it is risky. I learned magisk and xposed and tried the new alpha ROM which was the cause of most of the problems I believe, new update fixed them. It's basically a new Weta version with new security ota updates. But to answer ur question, for how much the v20 costs right now and how awesome u can make them sound, high quality - mid ear/headphones and low or high impedance, dont have to be in high mode to sound good btw, It would be stupid not to get this phone, Imo. If you really like quality audio anyway. And the removable battery and SD card is a must for me. Just wanted to share my finds anyway. Good luck.
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Just read previous guys post, if you are playing around with crap eq's from play store w/android audio limitations it sucks, gotta root it w/dirty Santa and get viper to get the glory, if you know how to tweak anyway, and my 9ohm IEM's sound better than any .5 million dollar home theater that I have ever installed in my life, which I do, i do wanna get some nice high end cans to compare to, thinking bout the sennheiser 800s might do the trick, saving pennies since I'm not rich, $700 on these shure se 846's was a leap for me, they're usually $1k most places, but glad I quit buying $100 buds that the cables always failed on. Invest and reap the rewards. Study tweaking on xda and really have some fun. Will make you dance as previous guy said.