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[Q] snapdragon's 120fps - doesn't look 720P to me :(

hello there
i was wondering on this issue.
the snapdragon 800 supposedly can do real 720P slo-mo at 120fps. right?
well, i checked many YT videos of the NOTE 3 alongside the A7's similar slo-mo (apple's 5S),
and it DOES NOT LOOK 720P at all. it looks pixelated, or better say, UPSCALED 480p.
while the A7 produce a video that's really usable, and really looks like genuine 720P.
why is that? from the specs i read on the SD800 it clearly says it HAS that capability.
this is a feature i just gotta have in my next phone and i want an Android phone with proper screen size.
any thoughts on the matter?
thanks!

Hmm I think you got it completely wrong..
http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-apple-iphone-5s-is-not-actually-recording-720p-slo-mo-video/

orbitech said:
Hmm I think you got it completely wrong..
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yea i saw it, thanks.
whether of not this is true, i could see with my own eyes from the many YT 720P videos that it's vastly superior to any other rivals with this option.
mainly the Note 3.
so they say the 5S is not genuine 720p? so it means the Note 3 is even less than 480p? i need FACTS.
and my eyes tell me the 5S looks like 720P. and the NOTE 3 looks like an upscaled 480p
please look in YT and tell me i'm wrong?
the 5S videos are usable to me. the NOTE 3 aren't.
so, why is that?

I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?

orbitech said:
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
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you misunderstood me.
i don't own a Note 3. i am looking for an Android device that can do a decent 720p slo-mo,
and from all the latest snapdragon's out there, the Note is the only one that claims to do a real 720p slo-mo.
i looked at many comparisons videos on youtube, downloaded them and studied them.
conclusion: the 5S is doing at least a x2 better job, whether it's fake or not.
if you could upload a sample of a 120fps slo-mo from your Note 3 and let me study it, i might be proven wrong.
but from MANY samples on YT, my eyes tell me a different story. please check for yourself and tell me.
(i'm not allowed to paste links yet, sorry)
btw - the gsm arena themselves say that they took a 720p video (NOT slo-mo) from the Note 3 and compared it to the 5S slo-mo, so obviously they didn't compare it right imo.

Ok I will be Cpt Obvious but... Do not trust YT. Or the internet samples from the vast majority of YT channels. I only read respectable sites and not the biased stories of every guy that posts or reposts the same videos with unproven or unscientific or biased methods.
Beyond all that, logic says a smartphone that can shoot 4K video @30fps and [email protected] certainly can do 720p @120fps. Especially with a processor like the S800.
If I have some time to upload a video I will do it for you, but I can't make any promises.
rozroz said:
btw - the gsm arena themselves say that they took a 720p video (NOT slo-mo) from the Note 3 and compared it to the 5S slo-mo, so obviously they didn't compare it right imo.
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Read the article again carefully. They did that since iPhone 5s does not support regular 720p video . Also the method is more than legit if you follow their logic. I am sorry to say that again but I would take the GSM Arena's findings any day over a YT's channel.

orbitech said:
Ok I will be Cpt Obvious but... Do not trust YT. Or the internet samples from the vast majority of YT channels. I only read respectable sites and not the biased stories of every guy that posts or reposts the same videos with unproven or unscientific or biased methods.
Beyond all that, logic says a smartphone that can shoot 4K video @30fps and [email protected] certainly can do 720p @120fps. Especially with a processor like the S800.
If I have some time to upload a video I will do it for you, but I can't make any promises.
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i completely agree with you on that.
that's why i asked you for a genuine sample
really hope you could make the effort (or anyone else here for that matter )
thanks.

rozroz said:
i completely agree with you on that.
that's why i asked you for a genuine sample
really hope you could make the effort (or anyone else here for that matter )
thanks.
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I will try I promise.Currently at work and way too much rain here today. It would be better to capture with better conditions for better results.

orbitech said:
I will try I promise.Currently at work and way too much rain here today. It would be better to capture with better conditions for better results.
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many thanks!

This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.

neoKushan said:
This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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from what i remember you can only record a "slow motion" option.. no? ( i don't won a Note 3, sorry).

I'm not seeing anything like that anywhere though.
EDIT: Never mind, found it!

neoKushan said:
This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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Once you choose the video resolution you open the "gear" menu and select the recording mode from a videocam icon that is there. There is no 30/60/120, just normal,fast,slow/smooth/limit for MMS options,depending on the video resolution you choose.

Thanks, I managed to find the options. There are actually some other options as well, you can set 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 (default).
I've made two quick recordings of me picking up a pen and dropping it, one in slow-mo (1/8) and one at regular 720p. There's a definite difference in quality, I think.
Rather than upping them to youtube, here are the files straight from the device for a better comparison:
Regular: http://www.multiupload.nl/PFSU1W0H5R
Slow-mo: http://www.multiupload.nl/ZZF0SB3IFG

orbitech said:
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
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He's not kidding. I think many people can't tell. It does indeed look pixelated and i'm here in Singapore. I showed my friend and she can't tell, i wish everyone in the world can't tell so we can all just live a big lie but it's pretty obvious there if u compare it with another 720p at 30fps
I'm just surprise that there isn't too many mentioned about it. :laugh: Sad to say, cos of this issue, i haven't been doing any 120fps video cos of the bad quality, a feature i was really excited over nothing. I wish Samsung would fix it though, if they even think it's a problem to begin with.

dehaani said:
The slow-mo record is quite disappointing. :S
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I know! I haven't once use it to take a video that i can upload but i'm thankful for the 60fps FHD. That one works really well

There are three modes for slow-mo.
If you select slow-mo 1/2 videos are recorded at true 720p - 120fps (quality is same as with regular 720p)
If you select 1/4 or 1/8 slo-mo (slower movements) videos are recorded at 240/480 fps and resolution is definitely lower (probably 480p upscaled) and you could clearly see difference in quality as well as pixelation.
Try recording at 1/2!

admir83x said:
There are three modes for slow-mo.
If you select slow-mo 1/2 videos are recorded at true 720p - 120fps (quality is same as with regular 720p)
If you select 1/4 or 1/8 slo-mo (slower movements) videos are recorded at 240/480 fps and resolution is definitely lower (probably 480p upscaled) and you could clearly see difference in quality as well as pixelation.
Try recording at 1/2!
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Tried. Quality looks better but i'm pretty sure that's not 120fps? Cos it's almost the same speed as a normal 30fps. Regardless, i think it's really poor. I hate to say this but iPhone 5S one looks way better even though it's not true 720p. And it can actually vary the speed, which is really nice.
Weird thing is the FHD 60fps look so much better that perhaps they should go for 120fps at FHD

I have the same problem.I would like to record 720p at 1/8.Isn't there any third party app that can help us or does it have something to do with hardware limitations?

neoKushan said:
Thanks, I managed to find the options. There are actually some other options as well, you can set 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 (default).
I've made two quick recordings of me picking up a pen and dropping it, one in slow-mo (1/8) and one at regular 720p. There's a definite difference in quality, I think.
Rather than upping them to youtube, here are the files straight from the device for a better comparison:
Regular: http://www.multiupload.nl/PFSU1W0H5R
Slow-mo: http://www.multiupload.nl/ZZF0SB3IFG
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many thanks!
watched the slo-mo.
yea, definitely not 720p for 120fps.
5S wins heavily.

Nexus 6 Ultimate 4K Video Test

Change to 4K/2160p in Quality Settings! The only real compression is on youtube's side. And I will say I see a little better quality on my Master File than on youtube.
I decided to test the 4k video recording on the Nexus 6 by shooting my entire vacation with it. I've compiled a recap video showcasing the camera's abilities.
-There conditions recorded in are: high light, low light, sunny, overcast, indoors and outdoors, etc.
-I've zoomed in a few times and moved the phone to force refocus in a few clips.
-There has been NO post editing to the footage such as color correction, cropping, stabilizing, etc.
-Crossfading, fade to black, muting of audio, and title overlays are the only alterations made to compile this video
ENJOY!

Looks like OIS keeps making things a bit juttery and focusing in and out at times.

knitler said:
Looks like OIS keeps making things a bit juttery and focusing in and out at times.
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Yes Google camera does that. Same on nexus 5

rootSU said:
Yes Google camera does that. Same on nexus 5
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Does using another camera app prevent it?

knitler said:
Does using another camera app prevent it?
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I've never tried. I doubt it

Then it's a hardware issue I assume.

knitler said:
Then it's a hardware issue I assume.
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No... But 3rd party cameras are not a complete solution. They use the existing libs and camera HAL etc, which is software.
But you can try it, who knows?

i need to look around to see if there are any apps that lock focus.
That would come in handy

Robert_W said:
i need to look around to see if there are any apps that lock focus.
That would come in handy
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Try with Cinema FV-5

I watched the whole thing before realizing my monitor at work isn't 4K
nice video - I'll have to watch it later at home to really see the quality. The focusing issue sucks and is really pronounced on this phone, I wonder if L Camera is any better at it.

springer.music said:
Try with Cinema FV-5
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I have that app in my wish list. Gotta do some more research to see if it offers what I want. I prefer simplicity like the stock app is designed, but I don't think google will ever include these especiall features.. Including 60/120/240 fps.

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Try with Cinema FV-5
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camera focus doesnt seem to be an issue with cinema fv-5. pretty sure its an android issue as my nexus 5 had the same problem (as mentioned above). anyway i just shot a few minutes of 4k video w cinema fv-5 and i dont see any re-focusing nonsense going on

rman18 said:
I watched the whole thing before realizing my monitor at work isn't 4K
nice video - I'll have to watch it later at home to really see the quality.
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Did you get to watch it in all its glory? Lol

Cinema FV-5 seems to fix the constant jittery focus issue. Wish I make this video test in that app instead

Manual Camera is, by far, the most feature-packed camera app for the Nexus 6. Full support with the new camera API's too ?

StrizzMatik said:
Manual Camera is, by far, the most feature-packed camera app for the Nexus 6. Full support with the new camera API's too
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fv5 supports the new apis as well. i read manual camera has issues. like you can't zoom and theres no way to switch between front and rear cameras...
but on topic, does manual camera support video recording?

indianajonze said:
fv5 supports the new apis as well.
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I hope they add 60/120 fps soon. That's the only camera feature I really want

Open camera supports everything people!!!! Just downloaded it and is now my default camera!!!! It support all resolutions for stills and recording, shows amount of memory left in real time, and a lot of other things and you get really check the options for a lot and best part of all its open source!!! So always free and never ad filled, I think Google should have hired this guy to make their camera app!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
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I started watching the video on my phone, then decided to stream it to my 42 inch flat screen tv to check out the quality on a larger scale, and then realized my 42 inch TV is lower resolution than my phone as a result. lol!
i was recently looking around for other camera apps so as to see how the device's ability to shoot in RAW compares to various cameras. I was considering trying FV5 but was checking out the free alternatives first.
I tried L Camera, which did let me adjust ISO, white balance, and so on, but it had some pretty major issues that need to be worked out still.
While I haven't tried FV5 yet (so I can't say much about that app specifically) I just tried out Open Camera (the above post caused me to remember it showing up in the app store several times while I was browsing) and wowee it's actually really good so far. Only one bug so far that I've encountered and it's very minor. The customization and various settings are really well thought out.
It says it can do 60/120 fps with a disclaimer that it may not always reach the designated fps if the hardware doesn't support it..so maybe?
auto-focus seemed quite a bit faster compared to google's stock camera app and it's much easier to adjust the lighting quickly than any other camera apps I've tried so far.
Right now the only thing I can really find "wrong" with it is the overall design and layout of the app, but it's not poorly designed at all.
I'll be using Open Camera as my default camera app until a major flaw presents itself or google amps up it's own app to compete. Very pleasantly surprised so far.

Robert_W said:
Change to 4K/2160p in Quality Settings! The only real compression is on youtube's side. And I will say I see a little better quality on my Master File than on youtube.
I decided to test the 4k video recording on the Nexus 6 by shooting my entire vacation with it. I've compiled a recap video showcasing the camera's abilities.
-There conditions recorded in are: high light, low light, sunny, overcast, indoors and outdoors, etc.
-I've zoomed in a few times and moved the phone to force refocus in a few clips.
-There has been NO post editing to the footage such as color correction, cropping, stabilizing, etc.
-Crossfading, fade to black, muting of audio, and title overlays are the only alterations made to compile this video
ENJOY!
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Awesome video and very helpful. Thank you.

YouTube HDR for Nexus 6P ?

1hr ago i saw a post on XDA with the title ¨Google Brings YouTube HDR Support to Pixel Devices via Software Update¨
The question is , our displays are capable to playback HDR content ? If yes soon we will see YouTube HDR on 6P , not official , but still.:fingers-crossed:
There are already a few phones with YouTube HDR support like S8 , Note 8 , LG V30 and G6 , Xperia XZ Premium etc.

I highly doubt Google will bring support for it. Don't know if our displays are hardware capable for HDR but N6P is dead for Google now. Be happy if we even get Android 8.1 since the official support ends this month.

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I highly doubt Google will bring support for it. Don't know if our displays are hardware capable for HDR but N6P is dead for Google now. Be happy if we even get Android 8.1 since the official support ends this month.
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That´s why i said ¨not official¨ , because if N6P display is able to playback HDR content devs will port YouTube HDR from Pixel to N6P !
Edit : I just saw on my sister´s Galaxy S8 1440p60 HDR , is very laggy but the quality difference is HUGE !

IonuZ said:
That´s why i said ¨not official¨ , because if N6P display is able to playback HDR content devs will port YouTube HDR from Pixel to N6P !
Edit : I just saw on my sister´s Galaxy S8 1440p60 HDR , is very laggy but the quality difference is HUGE !
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The biggest problem i see with HDR on the 6p is codec support since i doubt there is hardware support we will need a software codec and who knows if the cpu can handle it.

With this modified youtube app you can turn on the VP9 codec under iYTBP settings. It's also adfree, background playback, and themed.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-iytbp-injected-youtube-background-t3560900

hawkswind1 said:
With this modified youtube app you can turn on the VP9 codec under iYTBP settings. It's also adfree, background playback, and themed.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-iytbp-injected-youtube-background-t3560900
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And what exactly does this ¨VP9 codec¨ ?

Laggy 4k 60fps video recording

Hi there all,
I received my 6T 8/256 last week. I'm still in official ver 0.7. I've checked that all my videos recorded in 4k 60fps are laggy. They skip frames and do not reproduce accordingly. I thought it may be a buffer problem in the phone itself, and moved them to the computer. They are laggy per se, they're recorded with this failures. Let's say they lag every 2 o 3 seconds (only video, not audio), giving the impression of a low quality, under resources smartphone.
Can you double check this? Can anybody confirm this problem is fixed in next updates? Otherwise I will have to switch to 30fps, which is a real pity in the quality standard.
Thx guys.

adanyeva2 said:
Hi there all,
I received my 6T 8/256 last week. I'm still in official ver 0.7. I've checked that all my videos recorded in 4k 60fps are laggy. They skip frames and do not reproduce accordingly. I thought it may be a buffer problem in the phone itself, and moved them to the computer. They are laggy per se, they're recorded with this failures. Let's say they lag every 2 o 3 seconds (only video, not audio), giving the impression of a low quality, under resources smartphone.
Can you double check this? Can anybody confirm this problem is fixed in next updates? Otherwise I will have to switch to 30fps, which is a real pity in the quality standard.
Thx guys.
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Does not lag on mine, but I have McLaren edition

Me too
Lags on my OP6 too. Even the 4k30 results are choppy. It's been like this for months now, videos come out like crap all the time.

Video is running fine on my OP6T at 4K60. I also have the 8/256 variant. I am currently on OB17. Maybe update your phone to the latest OOS as I know they made a few camera updates between what you're running and the latest OOS (9.0.17). Or you could download a newer APK for the camera from another source. I believe the newer camera versions from the 7/7 Pro work on the 6T but have issues in some modes (Pro mode, I believe}.

dj_ooms said:
Video is running fine on my OP6T at 4K60. I also have the 8/256 variant. I am currently on OB17..
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Same. Faulty unit?

Same here. I think this is because of crapy camera app that needs to be rebuilt because it has bad algorithms botch video and photo

I honestly prefer GCam on this device. I haven't noticed any issues with it on the device. Even with recording at the specifications that you noted above. Pictures are also of much better quality.

trafalger888 said:
I honestly prefer GCam on this device. I haven't noticed any issues with it on the device. Even with recording at the specifications that you noted above. Pictures are also of much better quality.
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+1 for this.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk

trafalger888 said:
I honestly prefer GCam on this device. I haven't noticed any issues with it on the device. Even with recording at the specifications that you noted above. Pictures are also of much better quality.
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Do you also use the GCam Tool in the play store?
?

Elloco305 said:
Do you also use the GCam Tool in the play store?
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No I use the port found here with the config file that is located here as well.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2-beta/

Elloco305 said:
Do you also use the GCam Tool in the play store?
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I use the GCam Tool from the Play Store. I use it mainly to stop the multiple subfolders created when taking portrait photos but it can also be used to flip/mirror the front camera images if the camera app you use doesn't offer the option (some combinations of GCam and Custom ROMs need to have the flip option enabled to correct the images).
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I honestly prefer GCam on this device. I haven't noticed any issues with it on the device. Even with recording at the specifications that you noted above. Pictures are also of much better quality.
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I am quite certain GCam doesn't support 4K60 on the OP6T, only 4K30 max. I may be wrong, so apologies if I am.

dj_ooms said:
I use the GCam Tool from the Play Store. I use it mainly to stop the multiple subfolders created when taking portrait photos but it can also be used to flip/mirror the front camera images if the camera app you use doesn't offer the option (some combinations of GCam and Custom ROMs need to have the flip option enabled to correct the images).
I am quite certain GCam doesn't support 4K60 on the OP6T, only 4K30 max. I may be wrong, so apologies if I am.
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Hmm...I set the settings and it showed the 60fps icon in the corner so I assumed it was recording at that frame rate.

These are just what I have set with the config file for the beta. Seems to record and playback fine.

Best Google Camera port and settings?

Hi, is there a Google Camera port out there that is generally considered as the best for Max Pro M1 (3GB) right now? I've been watching videos on Youtube, and they usually use different settings. Most videos are in Hindi as well, so I don't fully understand, I mean, why do they use just HDR instead of HDR+? Why Full HD 1080p for videos instead of 4K UHD 30fps? How do you determine the right port and settings, do you just try them out one by one? Right now I'm using the latest port by marlin-ku, which is GCam_7.0.009_A_011.

xtannn said:
Hi, is there a Google Camera port out there that is generally considered as the best for Max Pro M1 (3GB) right now? I've been watching videos on Youtube, and they usually use different settings. Most videos are in Hindi as well, so I don't fully understand, I mean, why do they use just HDR instead of HDR+? Why Full HD 1080p for videos instead of 4K UHD 30fps? How do you determine the right port and settings, do you just try them out one by one? Right now I'm using the latest port by marlin-ku, which is GCam_7.0.009_A_011.
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It's trial and error for the version, the one which works works simple, I use hdr+ it's good for me and video quality personal preference.

z1_nile said:
It's trial and error for the version, the one which works works simple, I use hdr+ it's good for me and video quality personal preference.
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Thanks for the reply! I tested many versions though and all of them seems to work well, so I'm not really sure what to pick. I guess people don't use 4k that much because it can be laggy?

Does the night mode works well with this cam? With my gcam version I get greenish tint in all the photos with night mode.