Hi all,
I have heard that Motorola uses 32 bit software even thought the snapdragon processors are all 64 bit now. Some developers have also started making 64 bit ROMs for the moto g5 plus. How would the 64 bit rom benefit the moto g5 plus over the 32 bit rom. Would the geekbench scores slightly increase, or the app start up time would be faster or the moto g5 plus would use more battery? Thanks.
From my experience I can say that ValidusO 64bit is as smooth and battery friendly as ValidusO 32 bits.
Only big advantage for me is that Google Camera HDR+ works on 64bit ROMs.
Ok thanks! So will the Google camera apks from APK mirror work on the g5 plus running a 64 bit rom. Also did you see any difference in geekbench or antutu scores?
DarthMaul14 said:
Ok thanks! So will the Google camera apks from APK mirror work on the g5 plus running a 64 bit rom. Also did you see any difference in geekbench or antutu scores?
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I saw a 3000 point jump on the Antutu scores with the 64 bit XenonHD rom vs using the 32 bit Pixel experience rom. never tested geekbench
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Ok thanks! So will the Google camera apks from APK mirror work on the g5 plus running a 64 bit rom. Also did you see any difference in geekbench or antutu scores?
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Please see my other post here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74629380
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Here are the various benchmark results from the OnePlus X device.
AnTuTu Benchmark score:38132
AnTuTu HTML5 test: 18219
Geekbench 3 score: Single-Core: 918
Multi-core: 2433
3DMark Score: SlingShot using ES 3.0 : 701
I've attached the screenshots of all the test result for reference.
38132 Antutu makes no sense. My OnePlus One with the same CPU/GPU gets almost 50K
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38132 Antutu makes no sense. My OnePlus One with the same CPU/GPU gets almost 50K
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Reaches upto 40K+ for mine in an tu tu.
And OPO has 2.5Ghz CPU but OP X has 2.3Ghz that differs the score.
I had 50k with my oneplus one and 39k with my oneplus x.
But, the htc one m8 had 2.3ghz s801 with 2gb of ram and had 45k antutu...
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I had 50k with my oneplus one and 39k with my oneplus x.
But, the htc one m8 had 2.3ghz s801 with 2gb of ram and had 45k antutu...
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As far as I know op x uses the least powerful 801 and m8 used the more powerful sd801 2.3ghz cpu.
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As far as I know op x uses the least powerful 801 and m8 used the more powerful sd801 2.3ghz cpu.
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Yup, the X has the AA variant which has a lower clocked CPU and GPU hence the differences between other SD801 chips.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7846/...-snapdragon-800-and-801-clearing-up-confusion
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Yup, the X has the AA variant which has a lower clocked CPU and GPU hence the differences between other SD801 chips.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7846/...-snapdragon-800-and-801-clearing-up-confusion
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So, enough for UI animations and Fruit Ninja. I think that's a reasonable expectation for a $250 device with an awesome build.
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So, enough for UI animations and Fruit Ninja. I think that's a reasonable expectation for a $250 device with an awesome build.
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U could say that. Putting sd801 doesn't mean that u can always expect the top notch performance. Not everyone does hardcore gaming on mobile leave that to pc. Looking at price point it's kinda perfect.
I knw some ppl would tell sd615 performs better but that's a newer chip.
Those scores really don´t do the OnePlus X justice. The device runs so smooth and fast it´s an incredible device for 250$! I had no lags at all since using it.
The oneplus x uses sd 8974AA
but the gpu is clocked at 578mhz just like AB and AC version
^ Interesting.
Specs and benchmarks aside, it's a really smooth and fluid experience. I can't tell the difference between the OPX and OPO regardless of the extra 5k or so in Antutu. They did a really good job with the hardware and software for a nice user experience.
Agreed with everyone!
I dont know why antutu benchmark is low on this device, it runs smooth and neverlags till now, even tough i have filled my device with all the daily apps i need ,
If u ask me, i guess oxygen os is again to be blamed here,
I m not sure about this, but on my previous device some custom rom offers a difference of almost 5-6 k. So i believe an update or custom rom might enhance the score,
But still antutu benchmark dosent matter to me if my device is running smoothly??
Yup ur right Oxygen OS is the enemy here... Can't wait for custom ROMs
do the benchmarks change after flashing the custom kernel? If so, can someone upload a pic of the new benchmarks and see how it compares?
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do the benchmarks change after flashing the custom kernel? If so, can someone upload a pic of the new benchmarks and see how it compares?
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Here you go on default settings of blu_spark v25 kernel
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Here you go on default settings of blu_spark v25 kernel
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Thanks, seems like benchmark didn't go up by much but the performance definitely is better !
41k
My antutu benchmark was 40801 with the stock kernel and stock cpu&gpu governor.
Changing both the CPU and GPU governors (on stock kernel) let me reach 43375.
I think there's room for further optimization.
By the way, the SOC version is nether AA or AB, since the complete code is
MSM8974PRO-AA,
just as this is a sort of "pro" version. In the table, the AA GPU frequency is 400 MHz, whereas in the OPX it is 578 MHz. I looks like qualcomm produced a newer version of the SOC, unsurprisingly the cited article, more than 1.5 years old, may didn't notice this.
Wow, my LG G2 is slightly faster? Disappointing because I got an invite and was going to buy one. Hmmmmm.
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Wow, my LG G2 is slightly faster? Disappointing because I got an invite and was going to buy one. Hmmmmm.
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I wouldn't hold to much stock in what the benchmarks have to say. On my one plus one some of the laggiest kernel's gave the best scores.
Though having said that has anyone looked in to the voltage tables and CPU binning? I suspect there is more useful information there than a whole bunch of benchmark scores.
I have always regarded CPU benchmarks to be more about management of heat and thermal throttling than user performance.
For example my old lg g2 would let the CPU bake at about 72° where as on my one plus one the CPU is pretty much brick walled at about 60°, thanks to my kernels very conservative thermal profile.
The result is disappointing benchmark scores of around 32-38 antutu's. But in day to day use the one plus one is much smoother than my old g2.
I could install the original cm12s and start scoring about 51 antutu's, but in day to day use that ROM is a lag monster in comparison to what I have now. Also I prefer not to thermally stress my phone to much with hot CPU's. That's what killed my g2.
antutu is biased because it is favouring 64bit processors. a 32bit processor with 3 gb ram will always work better than 64bit processor with 3gb ram. this is an old debate on the desktop world when intel introduced 64bit processors. 64bit processors require double the ram just to give the same performance as as similar 32bit processors with half the ram. here are the Quadrant benchmark scores which does not bias/cheat results in favour of 64bit just to drive market sales.
23751 oneplus x
24187 oneplus one
26459 oneplus two
New perspective, interesting.
Quadrant? The 2012 app?
Enviado desde mi ONE E1005 mediante Tapatalk
any names for 32 bit benchmark apps ?
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Quadrant?
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yes back when benchmarks were not biased in favour of 64bit.
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any names for 32 bit benchmark apps ?
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Quadrant
psychem said:
antutu is biased because it is favouring 64bit processors. a 32bit processor with 3 gb ram will always work better than 64bit processor with 3gb ram. this is an old debate on the desktop world when intel introduced 64bit processors. 64bit processors require double the ram just to give the same performance as as similar 32bit processors with half the ram. here are the Quadrant benchmark scores which does not bias/cheat results in favour of 64bit just to drive market sales.
23751 oneplus x
24187 oneplus one
26459 oneplus two
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My CPU score is saying something different... CPU score More than One plus Two ... Ooops
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My CPU score is saying something different... CPU score More than One plus Two ... Ooops
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23751 is the total score
Hey guys,
Check out this video comparing the speeds of both the devices and find out if that less 2gb RAM really matters that much. https://youtu.be/j3J2DNHIbR4
OnePlusX only has the SD801 and it's still mostly faster. The 5X would have really been future proofed for a while with another GB of RAM.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
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Hey guys,
Check out this video comparing the speeds of both the devices and find out if that less 2gb RAM really matters that much.
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Is the opx tweaked in any way?
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Is the opx tweaked in any way?
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No, it's running stock OxygenOS 3.1.3 without any tweaks.
Definitely seems like the 5X was doing better until a few apps were in memory, and the redraws began. One extra GB of RAM would have been huge for the 5X...
I would have considered buying the OPX, even with the older SoC, but the lack of band support for US carriers was a dealbreaker.
I had OPX and I've changed it to Nexus 5x because OPX "wasn't" compatible with concrete pavement The thing i miss most is that 1 GB of RAM. Nougat is doing his best to open apps from memory as soon as it's possible but form time to time there are small hiccups and I have about 300 mb of free ram available (it's quite low IMO). Nevertheless, OPX was very delicate and I loooove low-light capabilities of camera in N5X.
Hey guys,
Check out this video comparing the speeds of the devices and if the extra gig RAM really matters. https://youtu.be/j3J2DNHIbR4
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Hey guys,
Check out this video comparing the speeds of the devices and if the extra gig RAM really matters.
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Is the opx tweaked in any way?
its normal for the opx to open apps faster than the nexus, after all the 801 is still a good cpu clocked @ 2.3ghz vs the 808 which is a low powered quad core + more powerful dual core @ 1.8 ghz, thats why the opx is still a bit faster. But knowing what i know now, i would definitely go for the nexus 5x over the OPX
Unfortunately opening apps faster is not all that matters. Ram speed and other stuff is important too, as well as software updates
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Is the opx tweaked in any way?
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No, it's running stock OxygenOS 3.1.3 without any tweaks.
Synchronize the touches on both phone FFS. Total waste of 2:25
all buddies here at xda i would like to know what is the difference between 64bit os and 32 bit os. and pros and cons of each os.
as i am seeing some development of 64 bit os for redmi 2/prime
please kindly reply those who knows.
note that i googled but didn't got satisfactory answer.
For 2GB (Prime) variant it's good. For 1GB, it's a hell.
Explain:
The 64-bit OS is based on ARMv8 Aarch64, with many improvements in instruction set, specially the SIMD instructions and about memory access. But it consumes more RAM. I flashed the MIUI8 arm64 in my Redmi 2 1GB. The whole system is blazing fast, stronger in benchmarks, snappy as ever. But after installing some apps, the device becomes slow because low RAM.
Maybe with a lightweight AOSP rom could take away the RAM usage issue and receive the full benefits of the newer arch. While it doesnt occurs, I'm very satisfied with my RR 5.8.2. Stable, snappy and fully customized.
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For 2GB (Prime) variant it's good. For 1GB, it's a hell.
Explain:
The 64-bit OS is based on ARMv8 Aarch64, with many improvements in instruction set, specially the SIMD instructions and about memory access. But it consumes more RAM. I flashed the MIUI8 arm64 in my Redmi 2 1GB. The whole system is blazing fast, stronger in benchmarks, snappy as ever. But after installing some apps, the device becomes slow because low RAM.
Maybe with a lightweight AOSP rom could take away the RAM usage issue and receive the full benefits of the newer arch. While it doesnt occurs, I'm very satisfied with my RR 5.8.2. Stable, snappy and fully customized.
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is that rr 5.8.2 64bit and with working volte?
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For 2GB (Prime) variant it's good. For 1GB, it's a hell.e
Explain:
The 64-bit OS is based on ARMv8 Aarch64, with many improvements in instruction set, specially the SIMD instructions and about memory access. But it consumes more RAM. I flashed the MIUI8 arm64 in my Redmi 2 1GB. The whole system is blazing fast, stronger in benchmarks, snappy as ever. But after installing some apps, the device becomes slow because low RAM.
Maybe with a lightweight AOSP rom could take away the RAM usage issue and receive the full benefits of the newer arch. While it doesnt occurs, I'm very satisfied with my RR 5.8.2. Stable, snappy and fully customized.
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You are wrong, also there is no performance improvements from 32 to 64bits (maybe better ram management and new cpu instruction set avaliable), I also seem to have the Redmi 2 with 1gb of ram, from all the 3 64 bits rom I noticed no performance decrease, maybe a improvement on the nougat arm64, I'm getting over 31000 on antutu, 560 and 1600 on geekbench, but arm64 is really nice to redmi 2, since it will unlock the support for some apps and games, also a prolonged support to when the normal 32bit arm art no longer be supported (just a theory of course).
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You are wrong, also there is no performance improvements from 32 to 64bits (maybe better ram management and new cpu instruction set avaliable), I also seem to have the Redmi 2 with 1gb of ram, from all the 3 64 bits rom I noticed no performance decrease, maybe a improvement on the nougat arm64, I'm getting over 31000 on antutu, 560 and 1600 on geekbench, but arm64 is really nice to redmi 2, since it will unlock the support for some apps and games, also a prolonged support to when the normal 32bit arm art no longer be supported (just a theory of course).
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I saw performance improvements between MIUI8 32 x MIUI8 64. Look: there is really many changes in floating point instructions (arm64 supports double-precision fp, for example) and memory access. The gap is around 10~20%. I saw it in another phone, Doogee X5 MAX Pro. After Aug/16 the stock ROM was converted to x32. And performance decreased slightly. Antutu score decreased arount 15%. So, arm64 have performance improvements over arm32.
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I saw performance improvements between MIUI8 32 x MIUI8 64. Look: there is really many changes in floating point instructions (arm64 supports double-precision fp, for example) and memory access. The gap is around 10~20%. I saw it in another phone, Doogee X5 MAX Pro. After Aug/16 the stock ROM was converted to x32. And performance decreased slightly. Antutu score decreased arount 15%. So, arm64 have performance improvements over arm32.
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Are you using another device? from what I know this is redmi 2, we have a different source from other devices, and don't trust benchmarks, they are always wrong, a 64bit OS for redmi 2 is a good deal, there aren't fps improvements, but overall ram management, smoothness, and a really high decrease in stutters is very visible.
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Are you using another device? from what I know this is redmi 2, we have a different source from other devices, and don't trust benchmarks, they are always wrong, a 64bit OS for redmi 2 is a good deal, there aren't fps improvements, but overall ram management, smoothness, and a really high decrease in stutters is very visible.
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What ROM are you speaking? I flashed in the past and the RAM management was terrible. The phone froze for 10 seconds to become "live" again. There is a AOSP/LOS based ROM build in ARM64 to make real-world tests, or have we only MIUI one?
About another device: was the only time I could see side-by-side the ARMv8 and ARMv7 performance in the same setup. And ARMv8 aarch64 was faster, snappier. Not only in benchmarks, but in real-world scenario
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What ROM are you speaking? I flashed in the past and the RAM management was terrible. The phone froze for 10 seconds to become "live" again. There is a AOSP/LOS based ROM build in ARM64 to make real-world tests, or have we only MIUI one?
About another device: was the only time I could see side-by-side the ARMv8 and ARMv7 performance in the same setup. And ARMv8 aarch64 was faster, snappier. Not only in benchmarks, but in real-world scenario
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Compare am64 caf-aosp vs arm caf-aosp
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Compare am64 caf-aosp vs arm caf-aosp
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I'll do it.
Where is the ARM64 CAF-AOSP? There is only the ARM one in the thread
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I'll do it.
Where is the ARM64 CAF-AOSP? There is only the ARM one in the thread
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Search on the comments Pirej posted a link for a 64 rom