MIUI9 pro rom 7.11.23
i am not the developer of this rom. I am just posting this rom
Based on 6.0.1
Rom feactures
Quick reply notification
Notification box
VoLTE
FACE ID
Autobrightness
Beauty Mode is working like pro
Camera with gender and age
Camera with recording upto 4K
FPC fingerprint
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
FM RADIO
Video Playback
Audio
Sensors
Flash
LED
GPS
Read Mode
Lots of customisation
Ios style status bar..etc and many more
7+HOURS SOT.....
BUGS:
NOTHING
U say
Instructions :
You need a official unlocked bootloader...otherwise rom locks your bootloader
Reboot to official TWRP recovery
Make a factory reset wipe
Flash the zip ROM it take 3-5 mins
Kernel included so no need to flash
Reboot and enjoy
DOWNLOADES
For 7.11.23
https://goo.gl/pYHYj5
Older version
For 7.11.9
https://goo.gl/e9pExP
SCREENSHOTS
Based on android N or M
whats new?... i think we already have a thread for this
Android N???
purval6300 said:
Based on android N or M
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Based on M and N will be coming..
Nice effort buddy... Which kernel cones with the rom btw??
jay2204 said:
whats new?... i think we already have a thread for this
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FACE ID included in this rom and bugfree completely stable
aman.sharma2911 said:
Nice effort buddy... Which kernel cones with the rom btw??
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Stock
Can I flash this directly from LOS?
ponyongie said:
Can I flash this directly from LOS?
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No clean Flash is needed
amank179 said:
No clean Flash is needed
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Should I get back to stock miui first?
It's MIUI PRO ROM, MAYBE EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT IT , WHO IS ON XDA , IT'S BASED ON CHINESE BETA ROM NOT ON GLOBLE BETA, NOTING NEW OTHER THAN FACE LOCK IN IT.
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ponyongie said:
should i get back to stock miui first?
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no, just clean flash through twrp
y should share ss of about phone 2 get clear picture of this rom
Kate? Kenzo? Special Edition? Which one is this for?
MikeyLee said:
Kate? Kenzo? Special Edition? Which one is this for?
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This rom is for kenzo but u can try on kate as well and flash your firmware after installing rom.
amank179 said:
This rom is for kenzo but u can try on kate as well and flash your firmware after installing rom.
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Any idea where I'd find the firmware only? I'd like to try this ROM.
MikeyLee said:
Any idea where I'd find the firmware only? I'd like to try this ROM.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/development/firmware-hmnote3proglobal-t3574361
amank179 said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/development/firmware-hmnote3proglobal-t3574361
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Thank you!
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amank179 said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-3/development/firmware-hmnote3proglobal-t3574361
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Do you know if it matters whether or not I use the one with emmc_appsboot.mbn or without?
MikeyLee said:
Thank you!
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Do you know if it matters whether or not I use the one with emmc_appsboot.mbn or without?
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If firmware contains emmc_appsboot.mbn then it relocks your bootloader if unlocked unofficially so it doesn't matter flash without emmc_appsboot.mbn
amank179 said:
If firmware contains emmc_appsboot.mbn then it relocks your bootloader if unlocked unofficially so it doesn't matter flash without emmc_appsboot.mbn
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Perfect, thanks again. Haven't messed with this device a whole lot but it's not my daily driver at the moment so I figure I'll play with it.
Related
I am using asus zenfone 2 laser ze550kl with unlocked bootloader, i use many roms but they are not so stable...so can anyone tell me which is the best rom for my device.. I don't need any customization.. Only i have need a rom with great battery life and simple,smooth,stable...
Please help me.......
Thanks in advance...
:confus
mg712702 said:
I am using asus zenfone 2 laser ze550kl with unlocked bootloader, i use many roms but they are not so stable...so can anyone tell me which is the best rom for my device.. I don't need any customization.. Only i have need a rom with great battery life and simple,smooth,stable...
Please help me.......
Thanks in advance...
:confus
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Try oct-os rom , m using since last 20 days, there is not a single bug.
If u want a best rom..then go for lineage os 13..its rock stable and is based on marshmallow..ryt now nougat rom are in a development...so no stable builds yet..this rom has even support for volte..if u want a latest version of Android..then this not the one for u
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After flashing the rom...u won't get instant volte support...do this: dail *#*#4636#*#*. Go to phone info...at last u ll find option oem specific setting..go to it n select turn on volte debug... Restart the phone... Enjoy volte
Try Once HTC ROM
TaaNishSaiiFu said:
Try Once HTC ROM
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But bro it is not a flashable zip...
mg712702 said:
But bro it is not a flashable zip...
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Check out the latest thread it's flashable
TaaNishSaiiFu said:
Check out the latest thread it's flashable
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Link please..
mg712702 said:
Link please..
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Does the HTC ROM is made by you
mg712702 said:
Link please..
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-2-laser/development/rom-htc-rom-ze550kl-t3569979
Hit Thanks If u feel it's a good ROM
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mg712702 said:
Does the HTC ROM is made by you
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Yup that's y I'm telling u to try
TaaNishSaiiFu said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-2-laser/development/rom-htc-rom-ze550kl-t3569979
Hit Thanks If u feel it's a good ROM
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Yup that's y I'm telling u to try
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Ok I will sure try it
mg712702 said:
Ok I will sure try it
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Thanks
RR Noughat
Use resurrection remix os. I have been using that since last 1 month and its totally awesome. Its benchmark results are better than those of lineageOS 14. And so far as i experienced there were no bugs.
Resurrection remix is one of the best right now. Even the Nought roms are pretty stable.
One problem I have with all custom roms is the proximity sensor problem, but there is a thread which tell you how to solve.
So try RR OS N. Subtratum and Volte are supported.
Pls sugest how to unlock bootloder for marshmallow
sapthagiri said:
Pls sugest how to unlock bootloder for marshmallow
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use the unlock tool apk
or
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ze...de-unlock-bootloader-asus-unlock-app-t3405850
Try Resurrection Remix OS..its pretty stable...I am tried many of ROM...but all ROM is made me dissapoint with some bugs,anything like that....but RROS Is very good ROM...all thing are working very properly..try it
mg712702 said:
I am using asus zenfone 2 laser ze550kl with unlocked bootloader, i use many roms but they are not so stable...so can anyone tell me which is the best rom for my device.. I don't need any customization.. Only i have need a rom with great battery life and simple,smooth,stable...
Please help me.......
Thanks in advance...
:confus
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You should definitely try CosmicOS. Very stable and buttery smooth.
MrStark007 said:
You should definitely try CosmicOS. Very stable and buttery smooth.
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I already tried, battery backup not so good, apn setting missing and heating some times...
What about lenage
Dot OS Initial Impression...
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https://youtu.be/S_71fVajKvU
Hi guys, i just got this rom from Xiaomi official website.
I uploaded into my own google drive for every developers to extract data from it (vendor, qfp apk etc.)
17/8 Latest version
miui_MI5S_7.8.17_5417105a71_7.0.zip
Code:
[URL="http://bigota.d.miui.com/7.8.17/miui_MI5S_7.8.17_5417105a71_7.0.zip"]http://bigota.d.miui.com/7.8.17/miui_MI5S_7.8.17_5417105a71_7.0.zip[/URL]
For the previous version, u can feel free to check it here.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByOygkNohVL5clNLNkpsaWxFc2M
FASTBOOT File
https:// drive.google. com/file/d/0ByOygkNohVL5b2lDNnY2eGNLam8/view?usp=sharing
capricorn_images_7.5.15_20170515.0000.00_7.0_cn_fe0e22298b.tgz
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Hi guys, fastboot file is also added.
recovery rom link error 404
CLIFFx said:
recovery rom link error 404
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There is "two space" in the link.
It should be correct
kimyeungg said:
There is "two space" in the link.
It should be correct
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i think there 3 space
https:// 1drive.google. 2com/open?id=0ByOygkNohVL5LXM3ZG5GeHloVEE 3miui_MI5S_7.5.15_7063d14986_7.0.zip right??
CLIFFx said:
i think there 3 space
https:// 1drive.google. 2com/open?id=0ByOygkNohVL5LXM3ZG5GeHloVEE 3miui_MI5S_7.5.15_7063d14986_7.0.zip right??
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sorry for making it unclear!
HTML:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByOygkNohVL5LXM3ZG5GeHloVEE
MI5S_7.5.15_7063d14986_7.0.zip is file name
kimyeungg said:
sorry for making it unclear!
https:// 1drive.google. 2com/open?id=0ByOygkNohVL5LXM3ZG5GeHloVEE
MI5S_7.5.15_7063d14986_7.0.zip = File name
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its work. thanks for your mirror. i want test it.
the link should be much cleaner now
Seems it's chinese beta test rom right ?
Send this rom for Xiaomi.eu to clean the chinese apps and put al languages.
kimyeungg said:
the link should be much cleaner now
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Thanks - so this is a first beta for Xiaomi MIUI nougat ROM for the mi5s. Have you tried it yet? Why do I need the fastboot file? Isn't it enough to clean flash the large zip file from TWRP as usual?
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Is this a Chinese ROM?
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luismatosdias said:
Send this rom for Xiaomi.eu to clean the chinese apps and put al languages.
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I think they already have it. They wrote they'll be busy for the next 3 weeks or so beta testing the nougat MIUI for mi5s, amongst other models that will also finally receive Android 7
L0nelyE4rth said:
Seems it's chinese beta test rom right ?
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yeaa, it is still a beta rom with lots of bug (!?)
the reason i put it here is mainly for developing purpose since developer may wanna extract some stuffs from 7.0 based official rom
luismatosdias said:
Send this rom for Xiaomi.eu to clean the chinese apps and put al languages.
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emm.. u can do it but i dont think it is a good suggestion since it is still on beta progress
onlyLyon said:
Thanks - so this is a first beta for Xiaomi MIUI nougat ROM for the mi5s. Have you tried it yet? Why do I need the fastboot file? Isn't it enough to clean flash the large zip file from TWRP as usual?
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Is this a Chinese ROM?
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I think they already have it. They wrote they'll be busy for the next 3 weeks or so beta testing the nougat MIUI for mi5s, amongst other models that will also finally receive Android 7
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yup, this is the first version of 7.0 based MIUI official rom which released today.
it is suggested to use fastboot flash instead of recovery flash for BIG update
but i dont think everyone can use the rom due to lack of beta access
Maybe there is a trick to use without permissions?
http://www119.zippyshare.com/v/c1oyRB1L/file.html
Camera proprietary files from this version. You all know where and how to place them, right? You can post results from MIUI and LOS builds then
j1505243 said:
http://www119.zippyshare.com/v/c1oyRB1L/file.html
Camera proprietary files from this version. You all know where and how to place them, right? You can post results from MIUI and LOS builds then
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Camera doesen't start anymore
jigs4wkiller said:
Camera doesen't start anymore
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On MIUI, right? The same was for me on MIUI (using gemini camera binaries), but I did not try on LOS (this build is the newest - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxktHhMrAobWTy15T0JzdlNIa0k/view?usp=sharing)
j1505243 said:
On MIUI, right? The same was for me on MIUI (using gemini camera binaries), but I did not try on LOS (this build is the newest - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxktHhMrAobWTy15T0JzdlNIa0k/view?usp=sharing)
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No on LOS
is the fp better than Android 6?
Gesendet von meinem MI 6 mit Tapatalk
i tried tons off google installer apk but cant get google play store running
Edit: Nevermind it didn't work.
What should I tell you after flashing It??? Can I install on any Nougat ROM?
oieNao said:
What should I tell you after flashing It??? Can I install on any Nougat ROM?
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It probably won't work on MIUI, just any Nougat ROM. I want to see if it boots into the homescreen, and if everything works.
I'm on Razziell 5.8.4 Android 7.1.2, now I test and tell you
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Watanabe_You said:
It probably won't work on MIUI, just any Nougat ROM. I want to see if it boots into the homescreen, and if everything works.
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P.s. your file is a zip, shouldn't it be a boot.image? Do I need to backup boot partition and after that simply flash your file through TWRP?
oieNao said:
I'm on Razziell 5.8.4 Android 7.1.2, now I test and tell you
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P.s. your file is a zip, shouldn't it be a boot.image? Do I need to backup boot partition and after that simply flash your file through TWRP?
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Yes, backup boot partition then just flash it.
Watanabe_You said:
Yes, backup boot partition then just flash it.
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I did as you asked...It got stucked on splashscreen
oieNao said:
I did as you asked...It got stucked on splashscreen
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Nevermind then. Looks like it doesn't work.
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Nevermind then. Looks like it doesn't work.
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Should we help you someway?
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Should we help you someway?
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Nope.
@Watanabe_You Any news on this topic, any conclusion?
Blackeyed73 said:
@Watanabe_You Any news on this topic, any conclusion?
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Conclusion:
Kernel image was taken from mido, but does not boot in markw.
Therefore, although they use the same processor but the drivers are very different.
Thus, your markw is a ****lot of pain to work on.
Also, I'm not doing anything.
Ok, tnx for info!
Watanabe_You said:
Conclusion:
Kernel image was taken from mido, but does not boot in markw.
Therefore, although they use the same processor but the drivers are very different.
Thus, your markw is a ****lot of pain to work on.
Also, I'm not doing anything.
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As expected.
Testicle.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-4-prime/development/faust-kernel-7-1-2-mido-t3662769
It works! I just flashed over RR. System booted up, so far everything seems normal.
try his kernel guys
@Watanabe_You Why you remove test kernel?
Blackeyed73 said:
@Watanabe_You Why you remove test kernel?
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Testicles. Lots of it.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-4-prime/development/faust-kernel-7-1-2-mido-t3662769
Thread closed at OPs request
Hello i'm not a developper, i just share someone's else work. He can't create thread as is not senior xda member.
Everything below is what he asks me to write.
Hello everybody. Some days ago I built a firmware , it works. Everything what I tested worked.
Instructions:
1. Wipe everything
2. Flash zip dotOS
3. If u want flash gapps
Firmware: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HHmAxBf1BaULoDd5YzkV_gZvQsSLJ43m/view last update: 24th of may
Don't need to flash kernel anymore to boot ROM.
Here's my xda profile https://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=9918459
OHi everybody. If u have an questions feel free to ask
thx for the rom! testing now
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UIxDess said:
OHi everybody. If u have an questions feel free to ask
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cant make it to boot, tried everything, rom+kernel, only rom... etc
novato97 said:
thx for the rom! testing now
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cant make it to boot, tried everything, rom+kernel, only rom... etc
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I send in pm another link. I did some changed and didn't check, sorrrry
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novato97 said:
thx for the rom! testing now
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cant make it to boot, tried everything, rom+kernel, only rom... etc
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Waiting for feedback
Rom link updated
Can you publish source code? Like the device tree and vendor you used?
mysa50 said:
Hello i'm not a developper, i just share someone's else work. He can't create thread as is not senior xda member.
Everything below is what he asks me to write.
Hello everybody. Some days ago I built a firmware , it works. Everything what I tested worked. But problem which I can't fix is it can't be loaded without flashing kernel. Because my computer died and I don't have money for the server I can't fix it
Instructions:
1. Wipe everything
2. Flash zip dotOS
3. Flash kernel
4. If u want flash gapps
Firmware: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Noov6mWxRrBfe37DJFJtmzixC-rMGy31/view?usp=drivesdk
Kernel: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LM4ylpioK8Zlu7fmW57hvVRBMhFotj8X
Here's my xda profile https://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=9918459
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Can I have the source of the device please ?
Mashrmallow said:
Can I have the source of the device please ?
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I can't send because of xda. I will give in pm
LivingLing said:
Can you publish source code? Like the device tree and vendor you used?
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Look in pm)
Great rom. It works very well. Thanks for the work.
I will try it and made some review... i am really waiting for bugless aosp based rom for sirius...
virganda said:
I will try it and made some review... i am really waiting for bugless aosp based rom for sirius...
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we have aosip, havoc, cosp
UIxDess said:
we have aosip, havoc, cosp
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UIxDess said:
we have aosip, havoc, cosp
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GSI rom??
Btw dotOS didnt boot on my phone... It going to fastboot after boot
Thank you
Can you send me updated rom link. Thank you
virganda said:
GSI rom??
Btw dotOS didnt boot on my phone... It going to fastboot after boot
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Flash the Kernel (boot.lmg) after installing the ROM.
You'll see how it starts, it's a great rom.
It is not a gsi. It's a ROM, install from twrp the zip.
canaac said:
Flash the Kernel (boot.lmg) after installing the ROM.
You'll see how it starts, it's a great rom.
It is not a gsi. It's a ROM, install from twrp the zip.
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Yeah, everything right. Later we will publish havoc, AEX, PE and so on
UIxDess said:
Yeah, everything right. Later we will publish havoc, AEX, PE and so on
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I really appreciate the work being done, is there any hope we could get the device officially supported? Maybe by Lineage?
What is bugs ?
guglicap said:
I really appreciate the work being done, is there any hope we could get the device officially supported? Maybe by Lineage?
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idk about official support. firstly we should optimizate dt
Dears miui pro awesome
Not is my work credits MIUI PRO
Download
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1oWp7qS46r6p4xDw-R_pg9r5XbnxUS9UT&export=download
Otniel1193 said:
Dears miui pro awesome
Not is my work credits MIUI PRO
Download
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1oWp7qS46r6p4xDw-R_pg9r5XbnxUS9UT&export=download
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Is it for DaVinci?
ayazuddinkhan said:
Is it for DaVinci?
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Zip name says "davinci" so i guess it is...
Is this one better than miuimix or mi-globe? thanks
Otniel1193 said:
Dears miui pro awesome
Not is my work credits MIUI PRO
Download
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1oWp7qS46r6p4xDw-R_pg9r5XbnxUS9UT&export=download
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Have you tried it?
Amazing, thanks a lot
It's best miui based ROM, but "it's not free!!!!"
Don't you have 20.3.26 download link? Plsssss?!?!
@javidman what do you mean it's not free? Paid roms aren't allowed on xda
In this rom many mood its very good yes its paid but devlepor patch the rom for free
Otniel1193 said:
Dears miui pro awesome
Not is my work credits MIUI PRO
Download
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1oWp7qS46r6p4xDw-R_pg9r5XbnxUS9UT&export=download
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Can you upload againnnn, pleaseeeeeee
sauliiin said:
Can you upload againnnn, pleaseeeeeee
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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mGzcCmRyQxvN1TfAl6kq9JqHBrNzNnIf
miuipro is a russian project and if you go to its site you'll see that for download their rom, you need to pay!
i dont remember the price tho
but their work is the best in case of customization
Yes it is a paid ROM. An alternative could be MIRoom rom, it is kind similar, and its free.
Link don't work
Please can you upload again or give me a link am so curious
How to install this rom? Any steps? Or just like other miui.eu roms?
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asad_asad said:
In this rom many mood its very good yes its paid but devlepor patch the rom for free
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What languages are in this rom? Can you please say?
Miui pro davinci 20.4.9
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=12EXd5HCgUhrHylKqo4ZSNUlAMV61bzKN&export=download
Download rom
Flash zip with twrp support android 10
Format data
SUMMERBREEZE said:
How to install this rom? Any steps? Or just like other miui.eu roms?
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What languages are in this rom? Can you please say?
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English and languages of European.
Excuse me i don't speak english
Hello. Failed to install. The bootlogo flashes. I tried back from Miui 12.
hondasoma said:
Hello. Failed to install. The bootlogo flashes. I tried back from Miui 12.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-9t/development/recovery-unofficial-twrp-xiaomi-redmi-t3960726
Use this recovery and format data
I'd like to try this build. Exactly how to install? Currently, Xiaomi eu. I am using beta 9.12.12. (davinci) TWPR 3.3.1
Otniel1193 said:
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=12EXd5HCgUhrHylKqo4ZSNUlAMV61bzKN&export=download
Download rom
Flash zip with twrp support android 10
Format data
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This one is stuck on bootscreen and nothing happens. needs a fix. i tried with the latest twrp and format data but didnt solve the issue
so i am back to 20.3.5 miui pro in the first page and it works well.
None of the versions work! I tried data formatting, the latest TWRP, but nothing! The loading image, then just lights up! Do you have an idea? The Google driver is no longer available for the file!