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Stock vs Custom

So yesterday, I rooted and installed CyanogenMod 12 on my Nexus 6. Didn't like it. Wasn't impressed at all. First, there was very little difference between CM and the stock rom. No difference in battery life or anything special like that. I did like the customizations and also the fact that the notification light was now active (which btw is a real battery killer). I also liked the double tap to wake feature. However, the firmware itself was as buggy as it could get. Lag everywhere. Some apps wouldn't open properly and, worst of all, the camera app kept malfunctioning when I needed it the most.
Now I know CyanogenMod updates their nightlies just about everyday, and the majority of those bugs are fixed by now, but because it didn't bring anything really new to the table, I switched back to the rooted stock rom, installed LightFlow and a zip file which would enable the double tap to wake feature on rooted devices, and haven't looked back. Moral being, in my opinion at least, Stock is better than Custom.

So you flashed cm, which in my opinion isn't the greatest rom, and decided that stock is better than any custom rom? Maybe try one of the many roms out there that are way better than cm

lol, cm. cm hasnt been any good now for what, 4, maybe 3+ years? try some of the other non cm or cm based roms. there are many great, completely stable, aosp roms out there. i use terminus, with the elementalx kernel.

So wrong.

OP,
Are you seriously serious? Have you bothered to try any of the aosp based roms? So many to choose from, even some custom roms based on stock that would give you at least some of tHe things you say you like.

toledodj said:
So yesterday, I rooted and installed CyanogenMod 12 on my Nexus 6. Didn't like it. Wasn't impressed at all. First, there was very little difference between CM and the stock rom. No difference in battery life or anything special like that. I did like the customizations and also the fact that the notification light was now active (which btw is a real battery killer). I also liked the double tap to wake feature. However, the firmware itself was as buggy as it could get. Lag everywhere. Some apps wouldn't open properly and, worst of all, the camera app kept malfunctioning when I needed it the most.
Now I know CyanogenMod updates their nightlies just about everyday, and the majority of those bugs are fixed by now, but because it didn't bring anything really new to the table, I switched back to the rooted stock rom, installed LightFlow and a zip file which would enable the double tap to wake feature on rooted devices, and haven't looked back. Moral being, in my opinion at least, Stock is better than Custom.
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Lmao stop trolling ya nutcase

I find Stock ... for lack of a better description, boring.
Running Multirom test build for the nexus 6 for a week or so now and not looking back. I have the latest stock build as my internal rom that I can load by simply restarting my phone to remind me why I spent the time and effort ( and occasional donation) setting up custom roms. One can do a lot with stock/root and third party apps, but the really slick stuff needs to be built in to work well. Hence the rom development!
I am currently farting around with DU's 5.1 build for the themes and Chroma's latest for the layers. I have these installed as secondary roms on the Phone , all 3 roms take up about 9 GB right now and allow for three distinct flavors at the drop of a reboot.

toledodj said:
So yesterday, I rooted and installed CyanogenMod 12 on my Nexus 6. Didn't like it. Wasn't impressed at all. First, there was very little difference between CM and the stock rom. No difference in battery life or anything special like that. I did like the customizations and also the fact that the notification light was now active (which btw is a real battery killer). I also liked the double tap to wake feature. However, the firmware itself was as buggy as it could get. Lag everywhere. Some apps wouldn't open properly and, worst of all, the camera app kept malfunctioning when I needed it the most.
Now I know CyanogenMod updates their nightlies just about everyday, and the majority of those bugs are fixed by now, but because it didn't bring anything really new to the table, I switched back to the rooted stock rom, installed LightFlow and a zip file which would enable the double tap to wake feature on rooted devices, and haven't looked back. Moral being, in my opinion at least, Stock is better than Custom.
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So out of all the greatest stable daily driver of aosp, and custom stock base ROMs your first choice was CM a known buggy Not fully stable ROM? [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] Rookie's.

Lol wow some of you guys are rude. It's just an opinion. Yes, I've installed other customs roms and, while they're all fine and stable, nothing new is brought to the table that can't be installed on the rooted stock ROM. I did mention that I'm still rooted, right? Really no need for custom roms for me.

OP does have a good point.

toledodj said:
Lol wow some of you guys are rude. It's just an opinion. Yes, I've installed other customs roms and, while they're all fine and stable, nothing new is brought to the table that can't be installed on the rooted stock ROM. I did mention that I'm still rooted, right? Really no need for custom roms for me.
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This isn't what your first post says. You say you installed cm and go on to basically bash it and then say stock is better than custom. You never say anything about any other custom rom, so what do you expect people to think?
For me personally, using a rom the has either layers themes or cm themes alone makes that custom rom better than stock. I love having the ability to make my phone look different any time I want to.

I agree with the many posters. Who cares if stock rooted is better than a custom ROM? Just run stock then no need for a thread. And once again CM hasn't been good since CM7 lol

toledodj said:
So yesterday, I rooted and installed CyanogenMod 12 on my Nexus 6. Didn't like it. Wasn't impressed at all. First, there was very little difference between CM and the stock rom. No difference in battery life or anything special like that. I did like the customizations and also the fact that the notification light was now active (which btw is a real battery killer). I also liked the double tap to wake feature. However, the firmware itself was as buggy as it could get. Lag everywhere. Some apps wouldn't open properly and, worst of all, the camera app kept malfunctioning when I needed it the most.
Now I know CyanogenMod updates their nightlies just about everyday, and the majority of those bugs are fixed by now, but because it didn't bring anything really new to the table, I switched back to the rooted stock rom, installed LightFlow and a zip file which would enable the double tap to wake feature on rooted devices, and haven't looked back. Moral being, in my opinion at least, Stock is better than Custom.
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What about the Chroma ROM? That is better than stock, it's brilliant. Zephik made some huge ART optimization recently. I can say it makes a difference. More features keep being added too.

i agree with op
Stock is much more stable than cm, aicp is what i use right now but still looking for a non cm based rom.

Have you tried Rastapop, Terminus, Slim....Anything besides CM? There are plenty of custom roms that run 100x better than CM.

kingston73 said:
This isn't what your first post says. You say you installed cm and go on to basically bash it and then say stock is better than custom. You never say anything about any other custom rom, so what do you expect people to think?
For me personally, using a rom the has either layers themes or cm themes alone makes that custom rom better than stock. I love having the ability to make my phone look different any time I want to.
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Eh, to each his own. I'm finding no problem in customizing the stock ROM to my liking.

BennyJr said:
Have you tried Rastapop, Terminus, Slim....Anything besides CM? There are plenty of custom roms that run 100x better than CM.
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Yeah, I've used LiquidSmooth, Chroma, Euphoria, etc. Not saying that I dislike custom roms. I like the thrill of installing a new ROM and praying to God that it works and functions properly (yes, I'm a root rookie). Customizing the stock ROM is just less of a hassle.

toledodj said:
Yeah, I've used LiquidSmooth, Chroma, Euphoria, etc. Not saying that I dislike custom roms. I like the thrill of installing a new ROM and praying to God that it works and functions properly (yes, I'm a root rookie). Customizing the stock ROM is just less of a hassle.
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You should run AOSP then. I usually don't like my roms much farther than stock either

I thought CM was AOSP based?

toledodj said:
I thought CM was AOSP based?
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Try benzo ROM with Zen9 kernel closest to stock experience but much better.

Resurrection remix vs. Dirty unicorns

Been using Resurrection Remix current build for several months now and was considering flashing dirty unicorns. But if dirty unicorns is basically the same exact thing I don't see any point in flashing it. RR is cm based which is caf based (?) And Du is also. I've also been using elementalx and franco. What is the difference between Resurrection Remix and dirty unicorns? I'm looking for something that's fast stable like everyone else but I also like themes. Do you guys know of anything that's different?

dontbeweakvato said:
Been using Resurrection Remix current build for several months now and was considering flashing dirty unicorns. But if dirty unicorns is basically the same exact thing I don't see any point in flashing it. RR is cm based which is caf based (?) And Du is also. I've also been using elementalx and franco. What is the difference between Resurrection Remix and dirty unicorns? I'm looking for something that's fast stable like everyone else but I also like themes. Do you guys know of anything that's different?
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The major difference that I would point out is the originality of DU. A great deal of the code found in DU is actually written by the developers of DU. RR is basically just a bunch of commits from different developers thrown together to create the feature list that it has, no actual original code as far as I know. Then you have the things in DU like Fling, Pulse, and Smartbar. Fling is a really fantastic and different way of using the navigation bar without buttons.

From my experience, and this is my experience, DU seemed to have slightly better battery life and as Heisenberg said, some very unique and exclusive features. On the flip side, RR was more stable for me and also has no shortage of features. As for speed, I did 5 or 6 speed tests on each over the course of a few days using An tu tu benchmark. DU averaged about 86,000 while RR never clocked below 90,000. Both were tested using the pre package kernel that ships with their ROM. Can't really go wrong either way.
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Resurrection Remix 6.0.1

RR for me

Also DU os not CM based and they avoid using most of anything from cm. The only thing is the theme engine.

DU is class and is AOSP based .... Purely class
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dontbeweakvato said:
Been using Resurrection Remix current build for several months now and was considering flashing dirty unicorns. But if dirty unicorns is basically the same exact thing I don't see any point in flashing it. RR is cm based which is caf based (?) And Du is also. I've also been using elementalx and franco. What is the difference between Resurrection Remix and dirty unicorns? I'm looking for something that's fast stable like everyone else but I also like themes. Do you guys know of anything that's different?
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You're so off the mark on so many things here dude, and I think that's what is making you write DU off preemptively. Not only is DU AOSP as opposed to based on CM, they abhor CM to the point that they avoid merging anything stemming from it all costs with the exception of Theme Chooser. It's stock kernel (Unicorn Blood) is also AMAZING and almost warrants flashing it in it's own right.
Up until last week I would have listed fling, pulse and Smart Bar as the main "differences" that set DU apart from RR and any other ROMs, since all those things originated with DU and were exclusive to it to boot, but the DU crew released the souce code for it and a number of other ROMs, including RR, started merging the commits for them over the course of the last week or so. Now the main thing that sets DU apart from RR is stability and commitment to improving thecustom firmware development scene as a whole. While I admittedly also think RR is cool, at one point it was even my favorite ROM, I find it to be a bit unstable and sluggish for my blood (from my experience RR is substantially less stable and fluid than DU regardless of what kernel I've flashed alongside it. It's like night and day) whereas DU is straight up one of the most fluid and bug-free experience I've had with any ROM ever, hands down. A ton of the stuff we take for granted as standard perks of flashing an M based ROM (like full screen recents, for example) originated with DU as well, and since there will doubtless be many, many more to come DU affords you the opportunity to get in on that sh*t o the ground floor.
Basically, while RR is a great ROM in it's own right any similarities to DU are merely superficial. While it does have slightly more than DU in the features department pound for pound, DU still has a ton on offer in it's own right and is just generally a way tighter and more cohesive experience. I know I sound like a massive DU fan boy, and that's because I am, but for good reason lol.
If you're not sold on the merits of DU over RR and want something that deviates a ton from what you're currently using I'd also recommend VRToxin. I can't even begin to list all the features it has on offer and it has an unimaginable depth of original and exclusive features and customization offers baked in. Plus it's AOSP and not based on cm13, so while not even a fraction as stable as DU it's every bit as stable as RR, if not more so, despite having everything under the sun included.

Well it;s better to avoid ROM's having CM13 base as it breaks one or the other stuff.. I have been using Omni Rom for a while and is quite stable and rocking. This week I thought to flash DU hence was checking on this thread.. Nice read though from @pringled

pringled said:
You're so off the mark on so many things here dude, and I think that's what is making you write DU off preemptively. Not only is DU AOSP as opposed to based on CM, they abhor CM to the point that they avoid merging anything stemming from it all costs with the exception of Theme Chooser. It's stock kernel (Unicorn Blood) is also AMAZING and almost warrants flashing it in it's own right.
Up until last week I would have listed fling, pulse and Smart Bar as the main "differences" that set DU apart from RR and any other ROMs, since all those things originated with DU and were exclusive to it to boot, but the DU crew released the souce code for it and a number of other ROMs, including RR, started merging the commits for them over the course of the last week or so. Now the main thing that sets DU apart from RR is stability and commitment to improving thecustom firmware development scene as a whole. While I admittedly also think RR is cool, at one point it was even my favorite ROM, I find it to be a bit unstable and sluggish for my blood (from my experience RR is substantially less stable and fluid than DU regardless of what kernel I've flashed alongside it. It's like night and day) whereas DU is straight up one of the most fluid and bug-free experience I've had with any ROM ever, hands down. A ton of the stuff we take for granted as standard perks of flashing an M based ROM (like full screen recents, for example) originated with DU as well, and since there will doubtless be many, many more to come DU affords you the opportunity to get in on that sh*t o the ground floor.
Basically, while RR is a great ROM in it's own right any similarities to DU are merely superficial. While it does have slightly more than DU in the features department pound for pound, DU still has a ton on offer in it's own right and is just generally a way tighter and more cohesive experience. I know I sound like a massive DU fan boy, and that's because I am, but for good reason lol.
If you're not sold on the merits of DU over RR and want something that deviates a ton from what you're currently using I'd also recommend VRToxin. I can't even begin to list all the features it has on offer and it has an unimaginable depth of original and exclusive features and customization offers baked in. Plus it's AOSP and not based on cm13, so while not even a fraction as stable as DU it's every bit as stable as RR, if not more so, despite having everything under the sun included.
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Wonderful explanation. I will be trying out DU today. Thx.
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While I won't write a mile long comment. I do agree with Sobek. Dirty Unicorns has been around for a long time...a few years ago both Liquid Smooth and DU were my choices. I never had any problems with DU...I was on Resurrection MM for a while until I switched to WETA N 8.4...I might switch back to MM. If I do, I will most definitely go to DU. The latest 10.6 is rock solid. Unfortunately, I do not know if DU is under the process of updating to Nougat. I sure hope so because I can't see the community losing an instant classic like DU...Nothing against Resurrection though - it's a good ROM too, but personally I'd rather use DU...I really like that updated CMTE Resurrection is using. I'm not sure if DU moved to substratum once they started basing there builds on AOSP. I imagine DU no longer uses CMTE and instead uses Substratum.
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jxcorex28 said:
While I won't write a mile long comment. I do agree with Sobek. Dirty Unicorns has been around for a long time...a few years ago both Liquid Smooth and DU were my choices. I never had any problems with DU...I was on Resurrection MM for a while until I switched to WETA N 8.4...I might switch back to MM. If I do, I will most definitely go to DU. The latest 10.6 is rock solid. Unfortunately, I do not know if DU is under the process of updating to Nougat. I sure hope so because I can't see the community losing an instant classic like DU...Nothing against Resurrection though - it's a good ROM too, but personally I'd rather use DU...I really like that updated CMTE Resurrection is using. I'm not sure if DU moved to substratum once they started basing there builds on AOSP. I imagine DU no longer uses CMTE and instead uses Substratum.
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Shame that the LS990 version of DU is only on 10.2 and has a known LTE issue. So still on RR MM, which I'm fine with as I know my way around. Thankfully I was able to flash a stable copy of aCC kernel, and now with Alucard governor getting much better battery life. I'm not yet sold on the new theme engine from CM yet, but probably because it's still new to me. Hopefully there will be a Nougat version of DU available and working properly at some point for my LS990. If not, I'll just stick with RR as it's always treated me well.
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Ah man LG G3....I remember having a LG Optimus T back in the day...a lot of huge changes since than...The updated CM theme engine is nice. I was never a big fan of Layers, but now they call it something entirely different (substratum). It's amazing how much around here changes after not having a phone for almost 2 months. I take it the G3 is your primary phone or is it your backup? I've only got the Nexus 6p
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Hey bro can you find Dirty Unicorns Android 8.1 for Lg G3 Ls990??
Sobek5150 said:
Wonderful explanation. I will be trying out DU today. Thx.
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Hey bro can you find Dirty Unicorns Android 8.1 for Lg G3 Ls990??

Anwaar Android said:
Hey bro can you find Dirty Unicorns Android 8.1 for Lg G3 Ls990??
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Just did a quick search and nothing. Not surprised though, as I was never able to find a Nougat version for LS990 or VS985. Unless you know of someone with the Dirty Unicorns team that plans on building for an almost 4 year old device, I think you probably won't be finding one.

Which Custom ROM on Axon7 do You prefer and why?

Simple Question. Got Nuclearom on my phone and am quite happy with it. But I am thinking of switching to DarkRom, Candy or AOSPX. What were you experiences, which performed best etc?

For the g model dark ROM does a good job with the Los thread modem, no call bug, viper works and the delta updates are a great feature too. Battery life is good too.
No lags !!!

Oddshotshotbox said:
Simple Question. Got Nuclearom on my phone and am quite happy with it. But I am thinking of switching to DarkRom, Candy or AOSPX. What were you experiences, which performed best etc?
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Nuclea. all of the others had performance problems not even fixable with a custom kernel. Some (Lineage, RR) had terrible GPU handling when I used them, but that was like 5 or 6 months ago, so maybe they ironed that out. Thing is, radioactive kernel has a very nicely tweaked governor (when it doesn't break your touchscreen, that is )
I'd say you should backup your current install on an SD card if you want to try something else, because you might as well want to go back. Most other custom ROMs are carbon copies of each other for some reason. For instance, RR looks like AICP, Nuclea like those but with less tweaks... and the difference is mostly the maintainer and the name (usually even the 'goal' of the ROM is the same, to "provide with the best tweakability and functionality while keeping performance best" or something on the lines).

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Nuclea. all of the others had performance problems not even fixable with a custom kernel. Some (Lineage, RR) had terrible GPU handling when I used them, but that was like 5 or 6 months ago, so maybe they ironed that out. Thing is, radioactive kernel has a very nicely tweaked governor (when it doesn't break your touchscreen, that is )
I'd say you should backup your current install on an SD card if you want to try something else, because you might as well want to go back. Most other custom ROMs are carbon copies of each other for some reason. For instance, RR looks like AICP, Nuclea like those but with less tweaks... and the difference is mostly the maintainer and the name (usually even the 'goal' of the ROM is the same, to "provide with the best tweakability and functionality while keeping performance best" or something on the lines).
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Feel you man, Tried Carbon and RR before Nuclea and got disappointed, very slow and buggy in comparison. But DarkPixel looks promising and people are reporting good speeds and more/better features.
Is someone around here who tested DarkPixel with Radioactive Kernel? Or did some other kernel perform better? Or might it even be the best to stick with the Kernel of the ROM? So many options, so few differences :/

coremania said:
For the g model dark ROM does a good job with the Los thread modem, no call bug, viper works and the delta updates are a great feature too. Battery life is good too.
No lags !!!
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Nice to hear that, might try it out. Any Costum Kernel Attempts or nah?

Oddshotshotbox said:
Nice to hear that, might try it out. Any Costum Kernel Attempts or nah?
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No, not necessary, the kernel that comes with rom does perform absolutely fine in my eyes. Only modded a bit with kernel auditor, read ahead, no big changes. Viper aroma 2.94 and lawnchair as launcher, just using the black ui, no substratum. The rom is smooth, lagfree and not overloaded with features. For smooth browsing I use the chromium swe
here from xda. Magisk 14 with unified hosts just work fine.
No saftey pass issue.
This are all personal choices of course, but it gives me a good performance.

Overall I find there's very little differences between all the lineage based roms. I use aokp with llama kernel but I may switch again if I can bothered. I use war mod too.

Used all of those ROMs for some time and finally settled with DarkRom. It is stable, fast, got its own color engine, so I replaced substratum with daily issues and never ending updates. Delta updates is another plus. I "customized" it by adding viper4android, Omniswitch and Phonograph music player and that's it. I play with the kernel, but return to the built in one, which is unbeatable smooth.

[Q] ROMS: No Limits [8.0.0] vs Resurrection Remix [8.1.0]

Hey guys,
I'm just curious about what ROM do you prefer?
Tue godly xxx No Limits or the new RR OS with 8.1.
I've used RR on my OnePlus One for so long, but now I got used to OOS with my 5 and ended up on xxx No Limits because it sticks loyal to OOS itself.
What do you prefer?

I used xXx No Limits from the time I purchased the phone (August) until January, when I switched to the first RC DU build based on Android 8.1. I honestly enjoyed the DU experience, and it was great being on the latest software, but I ended up reverting to xXx No Limits simply because of how snappy it feels compared to any custom ROM out there. I think it's the reduced animations that do the trick, but everything feels a lot snappier on OOS than on custom ROMs, including the speed of the FP sensor.
I'd recommend that you stick with No Limits. However, if you want all the features RR offers, then, well, switch to RR.
Your call, mate. Cheers.

timartinhof said:
Hey guys,
I'm just curious about what ROM do you prefer?
Tue godly xxx No Limits or the new RR OS with 8.1.
I've used RR on my OnePlus One for so long, but now I got used to OOS with my 5 and ended up on xxx No Limits because it sticks loyal to OOS itself.
What do you prefer?
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Those are two totally different roms which cannot be compared. Use whichever you prefer.

Yousvel said:
Those are two totally different roms which cannot be compared. Use whichever you prefer.
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The fact both are so different it's the exact reason I'm asking help here.
Discussion and comparison is for that reason.

timartinhof said:
The fact both are so different it's the exact reason I'm asking help here.
Discussion and comparison is for that reason.
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If you like OOS, go for no limit, if you prefer AOSP, go for RR. But my personal preference is Codename Phoenix, AOSiP and Omni.

Yousvel said:
If you like OOS, go for no limit, if you prefer AOSP, go for RR. But my personal preference is Codename Phoenix, AOSiP and Omni.
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I've never been able to test Codename. Can't find anything about them.
Just the closed G+

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I've never been able to test Codename. Can't find anything about them.
Just the closed G+
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Here you go : https://t.me/CodenamePhoenix

Aosip is better than rr right now. I like xxx right now though. I can use ozone and theme everything I want for free, the qs doesn't put a shade on everything like aosp based roms, easier to get weird mods together all in one install (modded YouTube, adaway, gcam, build prop tweaks, etc)
I do like all the customization on aosip though, just not enough to pull me away from xxx. Now when Android p comes out and it's 6mons before xxx makes an update or if he does, I'll move on. But as of now, I'm not going anywhere

xXx NoLimits for the win.

Add gestures back in DU

Hey all!
On the latest DU, they removed off screen gestures (menu where you can choose what the gestures do like open an app or switch on the flashlight) and they don't want to add them back in again. This could then be used by a lot of people who would like to use DU but can't really live without the off screen gestures.
I wanted to know if there is a dev out there that can help me integrate this back in since I don't have enough knowledge ^^ Or if there is a commit out there that can help, it would be perfect
Thanks for those who can help!!

Why don't you use a different ROM? Codename Phoenix and CandyRom are good. CrDroid and AOKP are pretty good as well. Adding your own features to a custom ROM doesn't seem like a practical solution because you will need to add the features again and again every time the ROM is updated. I like DU but I haven't been at all impressed with it on the OP5. There are definitely better ROMs.

jhs39 said:
Why don't you use a different ROM? Codename Phoenix and CandyRom are good. CrDroid and AOKP are pretty good as well. Adding your own features to a custom ROM doesn't seem like a practical solution because you will need to add the features again and again every time the ROM is updated. I like DU but I haven't been at all impressed with it on the OP5. There are definitely better ROMs.
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The idea is to use a ROM that is based on AOSP, and has a Gerrit site that it regularly updated
Adding the custom stuff can be made only once but indeed there can be some merge issues with upstream...
I'll check the roms that you suggested, I'm currently on Phoenix but closed source (and I don't like that) and was thinking about omnirom (based on AOSP but don't really like the menus and all).
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