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cheaper Nexus One?

So i called tmobile to get the unlock code for the mytouch 3g, as i'm getting my nexus one on monday. I just started asking questions about it and the rep told me somthing interesting. He said the cheapest way to go for the nexus one is to order it through tmobile on a brand new line. Then he said when u get your phone call them and they will just add it to your existing plan(mine being a family plan). Then i would just be paying for a 3rd line for a few months(which is like 10 bucks more a month or somthing like that) and then can just cancel that line. yes you are paying for an unsused line but its a whole lot cheaper than buying the phone for $529. Any thoughts? has anyone done this?
Even if u kept a 3rd line on your account for 2 years thats only 120 more.thats 299 for the phone. still cheaper than 529.

predator290 said:
So i called tmobile to get the unlock code for the mytouch 3g, as i'm getting my nexus one on monday. I just started asking questions about it and the rep told me somthing interesting. He said the cheapest way to go for the nexus one is to order it through tmobile on a brand new line. Then he said when u get your phone call them and they will just add it to your existing plan(mine being a family plan). Then i would just be paying for a 3rd line for a few months(which is like 10 bucks more a month or somthing like that) and then can just cancel that line. yes you are paying for an unsused line but its a whole lot cheaper than buying the phone for $529. Any thoughts? has anyone done this?
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im pretty sure that if you just wait til the 14 days are up and cancel, pay the ETF for that line it would work.

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im pretty sure that if you just wait til the 14 days are up and cancel, pay the ETF for that line it would work.
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I read earlier that if u did that they would still make u pay full for the phone. or am i wrong here?

actually you are right. you probably do have to let it ride for a few months.

I thought you werent allowd to get it for $179 and add the line to an existing plan. Dont you need to have it as a Even More plan. I guess I dont quite understand how you would get around it?

after reading that line on my contract it says:
"for contracts of one year or more, I may cancel my service without paying a termination fee if I return all phones I acquired with my activation within 14 days from my activation"
hmm not sure but it seems that if you pay ETF you get to keep your phone, correct?

well its just what the tmobile guy told me that he tells everyone. He said u keep the plan until the phone comes in the mail. Then you call them and they can just add the line to your existing plan. As in my case i'm already on a family plan. so i only pay 10 bucks for a 3rd line instead of the 80 bucks of the even more.

Sounds like there might be an opening there to save some money. I guess this is why Verizon raised their ETF to 350 on smartphones (though is being questioned by FCC).

predator290 said:
So i called tmobile to get the unlock code for the mytouch 3g, as i'm getting my nexus one on monday. I just started asking questions about it and the rep told me somthing interesting. He said the cheapest way to go for the nexus one is to order it through tmobile on a brand new line. Then he said when u get your phone call them and they will just add it to your existing plan(mine being a family plan). Then i would just be paying for a 3rd line for a few months(which is like 10 bucks more a month or somthing like that) and then can just cancel that line. yes you are paying for an unsused line but its a whole lot cheaper than buying the phone for $529. Any thoughts? has anyone done this?
Even if u kept a 3rd line on your account for 2 years thats only 120 more.thats 299 for the phone. still cheaper than 529.
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Highly doubt that works.
You can't merge accounts like that...
And I bet they'll make you keep the $80 plan no matter what, not $10 / month

talked to a tmobile rep and this definitely does not work, nice try though btw you forgot to mention the 35$ activation fee.

It may theoretically work if you give up not the line you've just purchased, but the older one that you had in your family for years. So you may need a line you had for years and it should be available for immediate termination (i.e. the previous 2 years contract has expired).
Keep us informed.

Data is required for all of the 2 years, you CAN'T have it removed.

The ABSOLUTE cheapest option ever is getting the phone unlocked + Even More Plus at $59.99, then remove the unlimited texting for a total of $49.99 / month, and no contract whatsoever. (Use Google Voice for free unlimited texting.)
$49.99 month vs the subsidized (and forced) phone plan of $79.99 a month is $30 per month saved. $30 * 24 months = $720 saved, MUCH more than the cost of the phone itself.

I had no idea you could cancel the text messaging part of the plan... good to know. Any idea how much it then costs should I accidentally send or receive an SMS?

swetland said:
I had no idea you could cancel the text messaging part of the plan... good to know. Any idea how much it then costs should I accidentally send or receive an SMS?
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If you really wanted to play it safe and use only Google Voice without the slightest possibility of ever getting charged for a text, T-Mobile actually offers a very easy to activate text messaging block. Just log into the website -> Manage -> Plans and Services -> Add Services:
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Anyway, here's the standard messaging rates:
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$0.20 per message sent or received. This applies to messages you send to or receive from domestic numbers while you are in the U.S., Canada, or Puerto Rico. This rate also applies to international messages sent or received while you are in the U.S and Puerto Rico. If you have a T-Mobile messaging bundle or a plan that includes messaging, messages received from international numbers are deducted from the allotted number of messages included in your bundle or plan.​

The cheapest plan is $54.99, not $49.99.

heygrl said:
The cheapest plan is $54.99, not $49.99.
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You should read the entirety of a post before responding.

i haave herd of people doing the google voice trick but how the eff do you get a goggle voice number? I applied for one awhile ago and didnt get a response.

Really?
The ABSOLUTE cheapest option ever is getting the phone unlocked + Even More Plus at $59.99, then remove the unlimited texting for a total of $49.99 / month, and no contract whatsoever. (Use Google Voice for free unlimited texting.)
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Google Voice reqiures use of data, so how did you plan on using it? Standalone data is $25, not $20

heygrl said:
Really?
The ABSOLUTE cheapest option ever is getting the phone unlocked + Even More Plus at $59.99, then remove the unlimited texting for a total of $49.99 / month, and no contract whatsoever. (Use Google Voice for free unlimited texting.)
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Google Voice reqiures use of data, so how did you plan on using it? Standalone data is $25, not $20
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Is it true about the wireless?

Is it really true that in order to use wifi on the xoom you have to have some kind of plan with verizon?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab

Unless Motorola or Verizon officially say it was a misprint... yeah.

magicdroid said:
Unless Motorola or Verizon officially say it was a misprint... yeah.
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It's not true. Best Buy will not sell the device without activating it with month to month data before you leave the store. There isn't a way for VZW or BB to lock out the WiFi if 3G data isn't activated, they just won't sell the device unactivated. You can cancel month to month data at any time, since there's no contract. There are a lot of misconceptions and misunderstanding around data plans. Since there's no subsidy on the device (if the leaked BB ad pricing is true) there's no contract.

dwboston said:
It's not true. Best Buy will not sell the device without activating it with month to month data before you leave the store. There isn't a way for VZW or BB to lock out the WiFi if 3G data isn't activated, they just won't sell the device unactivated. You can cancel month to month data at any time, since there's no contract. There are a lot of misconceptions and misunderstanding around data plans. Since there's no subsidy on the device (if the leaked BB ad pricing is true) there's no contract.
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I really wish that Motorola would actually come out and refute this information, if it is, in fact, misinformation gone viral. I think that Best Buy ad has done a great deal of damage to the potential success of this tablet.

Xevilious said:
I really wish that Motorola would actually come out and refute this information, if it is, in fact, misinformation gone viral. I think that Best Buy ad has done a great deal of damage to the potential success of this tablet.
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It makes me think that even if I somehow magically get the money that I may or may not get one... also is anyone else surprised that Verizon of all places is getting such an awesome tablet.

"Confirmed"
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/1...1-month-data-package-required-to-unlock-wifi/
Note I still think this isn't the right ad.

So sad!
It's like castrating your horse the morning before the big race.

We’re assuming that you can cancel immediately after and enjoy the device with just WiFi, but you’ll shell out an extra $20 on day 1
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I wish someone could confirm this bc if it is true then it might be put back on my Christmas wishlist.

vamp6x6x6x said:
I wish someone could confirm this bc if it is true then it might be put back on my Christmas wishlist.
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I don't see why this wouldn't be true. Its the same way with the Verizon Galaxy Tab at Best Buy. As I was purchasing mines back in November the Sales rep told me I could cancel the plan as soon as I walked out the store.
Hell, now that I think about it I purchased another Verizon Galaxy Tab for my brother for his Christmas gift (also from Best Buy) and didn't have to activate it.

I say the activation is NOT required. There's a post somewhere in this Xoom forum where a "self claimed" MOTO tester said that they skip activation all the time and have no issues with WiFi.
I personally think that the activation "fine print" is there for the 3G/4G tethering option they are advertising with the Xoom... basically, no activation, no tethering...
You were never required to activate the Galaxy Tab on purchase, but you couldn't bypass the activation without doing a Google search and doing the "Up/Down, Up/Down, ... " method to bypass the activation screen.
I call BS on the activation requirement, but I do think the $799 cost is true... <sigh>

Christmas wishlist? Do you mean Christmas December 2011?
By then, there will be a whole lot more Android Honeycomb devices.
Maybe Android Ice Cream Sandwich!
Wifi only ... and for sure the price will go down a lot.
To be honest, I don't think it is the right time to buy gadget during Christmas, because it is way too close to "CES" on January. Which you will droll on the new product announcement.
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I wish someone could confirm this bc if it is true then it might be put back on my Christmas wishlist.
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Here is my question about the activation. Assuming it's not something on the tablet, and just that they wont let you out of the door without activating it. If you cancel it 20 minutes later when you get home, without using any data.. will you get charged? 2 Year contracts have a grace period IIRC.. why not month to month.

Yay! You can find the cached versions of BestBuy.com's Xoom launch site on Google.
Assuming the price was temporary and it really is $799, I found 2 things interesting.
For one, the main Xoom intro site (found here) says:
Compatible with Wi-Fi networks*
*1 month data activation required.
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Confirming a data plan is required.
However, on the actual device page (found here) it doesn't say that, it simply says :
Built-in 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz Wi-Fi (802.11b/g/n)
Connect to the Internet without wires.
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And for a contract/internet it says:
Embedded 3G mobile broadband technology with EVDO Rev A
Keeps you connected. Upgradeable to 4G LTE. (Wireless service contract required; sold separately. Check with carrier for coverage area and availability in your area.)
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Anyhow, it likely just neglects mentioning the required plan on the product page, but I'm still holding out hope that it's not required, we'll see though.

If you already have a Verizon Wireless account can you just add it to that?

If I had to put money on the table, I’d bet on what many have explained as Bestbuy simply not selling the device without the customer “also” buying a month of data.
However, if that’s true, then I’ll pose this scenario:
Guy walks into a BestBuy… He has cash in hand for the device (off contract), tax, and activation fee. Walks through the process and finds via the credit check that for some reason, Verizon cannot approve him. What happens next?
Does BestBuy sell him the tablet? Has BestBuy “already” sold him the tablet (depending upon when data plan enrollment takes place in the process)?
Is there some sort of blood pack promise to simply not use WiFi? Self-destruct sequence activated on the 802.11 radio?

setite said:
Here is my question about the activation. Assuming it's not something on the tablet, and just that they wont let you out of the door without activating it. If you cancel it 20 minutes later when you get home, without using any data.. will you get charged? 2 Year contracts have a grace period IIRC.. why not month to month.
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I canceled my Verizon Galaxy Tab within 24 hours and was refunded the activation fee just fine, however they made me pay a pro-rated $1.03
IIRC, with Verizon you have up to 72 hours to cancel and reclaim your activation fee and beyond that you just pay a pro-rated amount of your usage.
With my Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7 on AT&T, I canceled on day 16 of the first 30 days and they gave me back my activation fee and didn't make me pay any pro-rated, they just zero'd it out.
For my Sprint Galaxy Tab I was month to month, but you pay 2 months bills initially, so when you cancel you aren't charged "more", but it doesn't deactivate until the end of the month you already paid for.
Hope that helps.

burningembers said:
I canceled my Verizon Galaxy Tab within 24 hours and was refunded the activation fee just fine, however they made me pay a pro-rated $1.03
IIRC, with Verizon you have up to 72 hours to cancel and reclaim your activation fee and beyond that you just pay a pro-rated amount of your usage.
With my Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7 on AT&T, I canceled on day 16 of the first 30 days and they gave me back my activation fee and didn't make me pay any pro-rated, they just zero'd it out.
For my Sprint Galaxy Tab I was month to month, but you pay 2 months bills initially, so when you cancel you aren't charged "more", but it doesn't deactivate until the end of the month you already paid for.
Hope that helps.
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You're correct. It's on Verizon's website under their Return Policy
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/globalText?textName=RETURN_POLICY&jspName=footer/returnPolicy.jsp said:
You may terminate service for any reason within 14 days of activation. If you purchased a wireless device at a promotional price at the time of activation, you must return it within the device return period to avoid being assessed an Early Termination Fee of $175, or $350 if you purchased an Advanced Device. You will remain responsible for your Activation Fee unless you terminate service within three days of activation. You will also be responsible for all applicable usage fees, prorated access charges, taxes, surcharges or other charges that accrued to your account through the termination date. If you paid a security deposit, it may take between 30 and 60 days to process the return of your security deposit. The charges for any service used on the account before the service termination date may be applied against your security deposit.
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burningembers said:
I canceled my Verizon Galaxy Tab within 24 hours and was refunded the activation fee just fine, however they made me pay a pro-rated $1.03
IIRC, with Verizon you have up to 72 hours to cancel and reclaim your activation fee and beyond that you just pay a pro-rated amount of your usage.
With my Samsung Focus Windows Phone 7 on AT&T, I canceled on day 16 of the first 30 days and they gave me back my activation fee and didn't make me pay any pro-rated, they just zero'd it out.
For my Sprint Galaxy Tab I was month to month, but you pay 2 months bills initially, so when you cancel you aren't charged "more", but it doesn't deactivate until the end of the month you already paid for.
Hope that helps.
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Were you an existing customer? As far as I can tell, even existing customers are subjected to the whole credit check process. I asked VZ via online chat last night and they said yes, new line and credit check are required. She hinted that could all be avoided by calling customer care. Also, I tried to start an order for a Galaxy Tab to see how it worked and you can only upgrade or add a new line.
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In the Wirefly unboxing the unit boots up to configuring your account. At that point it says if you do not have cellular access to click and setup your wifi settings. Seems to me that BB is just forcing everyone to get 1month of Verizon service as a policy and not cause of technical limitations.
Plus, since the device is basically a Google Experience device, seems a little "ungoogle" to make you sign up for cellular service. At least from the software side.
Unboxing video - http://goo.gl/P0jSc
Go to 7m03s and see what I'm talking about.

atoy74 said:
In the Wirefly unboxing the unit boots up to configuring your account. At that point it says if you do not have cellular access to click and setup your wifi settings. Seems to me that BB is just forcing everyone to get 1month of Verizon service as a policy and not cause of technical limitations.
Plus, since the device is basically a Google Experience device, seems a little "ungoogle" to make you sign up for cellular service. At least from the software side.
Unboxing video - http://goo.gl/P0jSc
Go to 7m03s and see what I'm talking about.
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I think it only proves he didn't get his device through normal retail channels Obviously, Verizon is making it a requirement. They are also making it a requirement on the Galaxy Tab.

2GB Data Plan Not Allowed with SIII - 5GB ($25) minimum

When buying the phone today in Queens at a corporate store, they would not allow me to keep my 2GB $10 data plan. I was forced to upgrade to 5GB at $25 a month in order to buy the phone. The rep informed that I could simply reduce the plan back to 2GB after a month - however I am still very pissed off about this. I'd love for someone to confirm that is true and I did not simply get swindled in Spanish Harlem, the only store in NYC with any SIII's.

dang its $35 for 5gb for me.... I had to upgrade from the $30 5gb data plan. I think as long as you had data your fine so hope they let you downgrade to 2gbs

PePPaZ said:
When buying the phone today in Queens at a corporate store, they would not allow me to keep my 2GB $10 data plan. I was forced to upgrade to 5GB at $25 a month in order to buy the phone. The rep informed that I could simply reduce the plan back to 2GB after a month - however I am still very pissed off about this. I'd love for someone to confirm that is true and I did not simply get swindled in Spanish Harlem, the only store in NYC with any SIII's.
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you can lower it in a month but it's not simple. You have to go to a tmobile and buy a phone that doesn't require data, like the t359 or something. Have them put it on your line and boom.....nomore data. You can return the phone to another store a week later to get your money back. and go online to add the 2gig plan back.

That is the most retarded policy I have ever heard. T-Mobile used to be good with this stuff.

I was able to order the phone by adding a line and was given (and chose) the 2gb option.
Note: I am on a classic plan and the price for 2gb data is 20$
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After I bought my phone I had to call a customer care rep and they "persuaded" me into a 10 gb/month with hotspot for $35/month. I come to find out that they left out the part where it was $35 on top of the $30 I was already paying for 5gigs and hotspot which was a special promotion I had gotten a few months back.I saw the $65 dollar charge on the website and flipped. Three reps and a lot of bull putty later, I get a customer loyalty rep who was the coolest guy ever and fixed it back.
Maybe try them if you feel wronged

here is what i got
Here is what i got from tmobile customers service, i call tmobile on Monday ask for upgrade to gs3 , but to able get fully upgrade, i have to wait until April 2013. After i talk to the account specialist i able to get fully upgrade price for the galaxy s3 and keep my old data plan, which is 20 dollar data plan with 5 gb 4g speed . Now i have to wait until June 27 and call again for upgrade gs3
Forgive my poor english

hmm... i spoke with customer loyalty today and i was told that i can just add the $10 data plan to my upgrade (this is my 2nd line with no text nor data).

Umm you can do 2GB. Who told you that?
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I wonder if i purchase mine from a "friend" and use it on tmobile if they can tell, I dont even use 2gb a month on my current 2gb plan...

I am still using my old G1 unlimited data and text plan, will I be forced to upgrade it? They changed it to an Android data and text plan when I upgraded to the G2, but it stayed the same price. I pay right at $65 a month right now, wanna keep it that way.

PePPaZ said:
When buying the phone today in Queens at a corporate store, they would not allow me to keep my 2GB $10 data plan. I was forced to upgrade to 5GB at $25 a month in order to buy the phone. The rep informed that I could simply reduce the plan back to 2GB after a month - however I am still very pissed off about this. I'd love for someone to confirm that is true and I did not simply get swindled in Spanish Harlem, the only store in NYC with any SIII's.
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Cell phone store employees make commission on "premium" services. I'd bet the 200mb and standard data plan do not make them any money.
If the manager okay'd everyone FORCING a "premium" service then the employees would. It's guaranteed money to them. Even if it is only $5 in commission, and they sell 20 of the SGSIII's, then they made themselves $100.
I worked at a Radioshack in high school. With my sales the way they were I was in the fast lane to manager training (which is kinda cool to an 18yo). Too many scuzzy people working in commission.

Hmm, on the web it doesn't say required. Only recommended. I call BS. Hopefully when I upgrade they won't make me change my current 2 GB plan
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At the retail store level, it is required for them to put 5gig data on certain phones. This has been in place since the Vibrant came out.

I had problems with my data plan as well. I'm on a grandfathered unlimited data plan (throttled after 5gb) and they tried to make me change my data plan. I told them no way and the store rep accepted it.
Later however, I found out that they had switched one of my lines (by mistake of course) via text message. I spent a half hour with customer service before getting transferred to customer loyalty and they fixed things for me.

If you upgraded your line or bought a new phone, the 5gb is part of the rebate requirement. If you wanted a rebate or they printed the rebate form for you, your data plan was upgraded and the sales person got a commission on your upgrade. they told me once I received my rebate, I could go back to a 2gb plan on the line in question. Check out the T-Mobile rebate page for details.

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If you upgraded your line or bought a new phone, the 5gb is part of the rebate requirement. If you wanted a rebate or they printed the rebate form for you, your data plan was upgraded and the sales person got a commission on your upgrade. they told me once I received my rebate, I could go back to a 2gb plan on the line in question. Check out the T-Mobile rebate page for details.
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What? that's bull, they took away my grandfathered unlimited for a 2 gb data now this?

I already have the 5 GB plan for $30 and when I order the phone online it doesn't make me upgrade - does that mean I can keep it?

i was asked if i would like to switch to the 5gb per month plan and said no, but he went ahead and still changed it. i had to contact tmobile customer support to change it back to 2gb.

I got mine this morning and I had a 2gb plan and they activated it without even mentioning or wanting me to upgrade my plan...went in with a 2gb and walked out with a 2gb.
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I knew I should have waited....

I just knew I should have waited to get my note 3 from att.....
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/30...-with-galaxy-s4-s4-active-note-ii-and-note-3/

The problem is you have to get a contract for the tablet too. If it was contract free then I'd be In there tomorrow since I got my note last sunday
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I should have waited too wonder if at&t will honor previous purchases

Yeah I don't see them honoring previous purchases lol I have only had mine a week but from what I understand you have to sign a2 year agreement and I am not under contract so I am good I just bought 2 of thethose tablets 3 days ago for my daughters for Christmas
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dreDrennon1 said:
Yeah I don't see them honoring previous purchases lol I have only had mine a week but from what I understand you have to sign a2 year agreement and I am not under contract so I am good I just bought 2 of thethose tablets 3 days ago for my daughters for Christmas
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!
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I hope you didn't buy the att note 3 out of contract. You would have been so much better off getting the t mobile version. I wish I would have done my research before opening the pre ordered att note 3 box. I would have sold it on Craigslist and got the t mobile version. This locked bootloader is depressing.

dreDrennon1 said:
Yeah I don't see them honoring previous purchases lol I have only had mine a week but from what I understand you have to sign a2 year agreement and I am not under contract so I am good I just bought 2 of thethose tablets 3 days ago for my daughters for Christmas
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!
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No I wouldn't TMobile is the worst service you can get in my area lol and I don't care about the bootloader issue because I just wanted to root myphone to theme it which I have done with the exception of the dialer and contacts I bought thru their Next program
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!

Too many stipulations/extra contract involved. Not free at all.
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Theres always a catch.

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The problem is you have to get a contract for the tablet too.
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Exactly. The "free" tablet requires a $720 contract.

Gary02468 said:
Exactly. The "free" $179 tablet requires a $720 contract.
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There, fixed

dreDrennon1 said:
No I wouldn't TMobile is the worst service you can get in my area lol and I don't care about the bootloader issue because I just wanted to root myphone to theme it which I have done with the exception of the dialer and contacts I bought thru their Next program
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!
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Let me see if i understand this. You arent in a contract with them but you bought it on the NEXT program which in itself is a contract with them?

The next program is not a contract since you seen like you are trying to be a smartass the only real stipulation is if you terminate service you have to pay the remaining Balance due on the device itself instead of breaking it up into payments
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dreDrennon1 said:
The next program is not a contract [...] the only real stipulation is if you terminate service you have to pay the remaining Balance due on the device itself instead of breaking it up into payments.
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But that's all that happens if you terminate your two-year contract early, too. So is the two-year contract not a contract too?

Gary02468 said:
Exactly. The "free" tablet requires a $720 contract.
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How does a two year $10/mo contract for the tablet equal $720? That's the "free" part here they mention, you can't include the normal phone price...

dreDrennon1 said:
The next program is not a contract since you seen like you are trying to be a smartass the only real stipulation is if you terminate service you have to pay the remaining Balance due on the device itself instead of breaking it up into payments
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!
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No when you break your contact you have to pay an early termination fee for breaking the contact you are not paying for your device we can argue all day long about it but I have worked for sprint and Verizon so I have a little inside PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE on the matter
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!

khaytsus said:
How does a two year $10/mo contract for the tablet equal $720?.
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Thanks, you're right. I misread it. So it's a $240 contract, not a $720 contract.
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No when you break your contact you have to pay an early termination fee for breaking the contact you are not paying for your device
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Huh? The "early termination fee" is just the remaining cost of your device. It's the same concept and the same amount of money, merely described by a different name. Who cares what name is used?

dreDrennon1 said:
No when you break your contact you have to pay an early termination fee for breaking the contact you are not paying for your device we can argue all day long about it but I have worked for sprint and Verizon so I have a little inside PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE on the matter
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No it isn't the early termination fee is a fee you agree to pay if you break your contact the type of device you have under contract does effect how much they charge you for the early term fee the Next program with AT&T , One Up with Sprint and the other deals like these are finance programs for people that want to upgrade every 12 months and do not want to be trapped in a contract so what happens is since you are not under a contract you don't get the contact price for the phone you pay full price for the phone but the price is split up into monthly payments on top of your regular monthly charges and you are not under contract you can leave at anytime without paying the 300.00 early termination fee but you still have to pay for your device
My Galaxy Note 3 Is A Definite Go!!!!!

dreDrennon1 said:
No it isn't the early termination fee is a fee you agree to pay if you break your contact the type of device you have under contract does effect how much they charge you for the early term fee the Next program with AT&T , One Up with Sprint and the other deals like these are finance programs for people that want to upgrade every 12 months and do not want to be trapped in a contract so what happens is since you are not under a contract you don't get the contact price for the phone you pay full price for the phone but the price is split up into monthly payments on top of your regular monthly charges and you are not under contract you can leave at anytime without paying the 300.00 early termination fee but you still have to pay for your device
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I see what your saying but yes, you are under a contract, just not a contract like what we are normally used to.
http://m.att.com/shopmobile/wireless/modals/next-faqs.html
Read this if you think me wrong.
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Is a contract required with AT&T Next?
AT&T Next requires that you sign an installment agreement to pay for the device over 20 monthly payments. If you cancel your wireless service, the remaining unpaid balance on the device is due. A Wireless Customer Service Agreement (voice and data service) is required.
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You are entering into a formal and legally binding agreement (the actual definition of contract) with att to pay for the phone in full.
Now a normal cellular contract is saying I'll pay a subsidized price (in my case $299) in agreement to keep an account with att for however many years. (in my case 2) I'm not sure what my early termination fee is, and I'll find out tomorrow just out of curiosity but I doubt it'll be the rest of the price of the phone. You realize you can't trade the phone in for a new one if it's not pristine right? If the store doesn't think the device is returnable your stuck with continuing your contract agreement or paying the device off in full starting over.
Both options are contracts. You are required to pay for the device one way or another. I believe you save a good deal of money agreeing to a 2 year contract if you fulfill it. Your gonna have cell phone service anyways, you might as well choose a device that's as future proof as possible at the time and deal with having the phone for 2 years.
And I wasn't saying to get service with tmobile, just to buy a tmobile note 3 (your paying the full price of the phone anyways, you've just got a loan on it in a sense) and use it on att. You'll have root, unlocked bootloader and full dev support (which is why I'm here in the first place) I would love to have CWM so I could nandroid, flash mods, play with the kernel (faux123 is making a kernel that I'm envious over) and flash cyanogenmod.

Btw, friend if mine told me that the Tab 3 is a piece of **** and not worth it. I think I will get a note 3 but skip in changing my plan, 240 etc.

dreDrennon1 said:
No it isn't the early termination fee is a fee you agree to pay if you break your contact the type of device you have under contract does effect how much they charge you for the early term fee the Next program with AT&T , One Up with Sprint and the other deals like these are finance programs for people that want to upgrade every 12 months and do not want to be trapped in a contract so what happens is since you are not under a contract you don't get the contact price for the phone you pay full price for the phone but the price is split up into monthly payments on top of your regular monthly charges and you are not under contract you can leave at anytime without paying the 300.00 early termination fee but you still have to pay for your device
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Ok just got off the phone with an AT&T representative. Yes you are under contract. So let's throw around some numbers. As of right now my ETF is $315. My note cost me $614.99 to get out of contract. You'll have to pony up $724.99. "oh but in a year I can get a newer phone!" Yea so can I. In a year you would have paid $420 (wonderful number BTW) and decide to go in and get a new phone. You'll have to trade yours in and you would have paid $420 for what? In a year my ETF will be $195. I'll end up paying 494.99 for my original 299 + ETF at that point but I get to keep my device and get a new one. So a year from now me and you both have new phones, only difference is I still have my old one and I wind up paying like $74 (plus the subsidized price of the next phone) more than you. The next program is a scam for people that don't want to pay up front for a phone.
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ChristianJay said:
Nexus 6 on contract with Verizon...
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My contract expired near the end of 2013.
There are no strings on me.

gtdriver0036 said:
My contract expired near the end of 2013.
There are no strings on me.
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Me either. I'm getting a direct-from-Motorola Nexus 6 and have been living month-to-month on a grandfathered Unlimited Data plan since getting my Galaxy S III 2.5 years ago.
As confirmed with a phone rep at Verizon today, for me this will just be a new SIM card and replacing the device on my existing account.
- ooofest

ooofest said:
Me either. I'm getting a direct-from-Motorola Nexus 6 and have been living month-to-month on a grandfathered Unlimited Data plan since getting my Galaxy S III 2.5 years ago.
As confirmed with a phone rep at Verizon today, for me this will just be a new SIM card and replacing the device on my existing account.
- ooofest
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But if you have UDP you want to be on contract. You can use your upgrade and keep UDP.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon?

JulesJam said:
But if you have UDP you want to be on contract. You can use your upgrade and keep UDP.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon?
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I've seen that writeup before. So much work to get a subsidized rate, but fraught with potential loss of UDP.
There's no reason that I need to be on a contract to retain UDP, from what I've experienced. We easily (and carefully) upgraded my spouse's Galaxy S III to a self-purchased S5 over the holidays at a Verizon store, retaining her UDP without a complication . . . and, I'm going to follow the same route.
- wader

ooofest said:
I've seen that writeup before. So much work to get a subsidized rate, but fraught with potential loss of UDP.
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The risk is small to none if you read the wiki and ask questions before you attempt the methods.
And if you have a TDP or basic line to transfer the upgrade to the risk of losing UDP is ZERO!
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There's no reason that I need to be on a contract to retain UDP, from what I've experienced.
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Verizon can eliminate UDP at any time even if you are on contract. Being on contract makes it less likely b/c they would have to eat the subsidy. Not so if you are off contract.
The reality is that when Verizon was going to throttle UDP lines, it was only the off contract UDP lines b/c they knew if you complained, they could just cut you loose with no loss financially. Not so if you are off contract.
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We easily (and carefully) upgraded my spouse's Galaxy S III to a self-purchased S5 over the holidays at a Verizon store, retaining her UDP without a complication . . . and, I'm going to follow the same route.
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Paying full retail for a phone is not using an upgrade. There is NO RISK AT ALL OF LOSING UDP IF YOU PAY FULL RETAIL. No reason to be careful either. You simply cannot lose UDP if you pay full retail unless you are naive enough to do it in a corporate store where the malicious reps will switch you off of UDP for no reason.
Seriously dude, paying full retail is a no brainer. You won't lose UDP if you do that again unless you are naive and do it at a store where a commission based SA can switch you off for no reason to try to get more of a bonus, lol!

JulesJam said:
The risk is small to none if you read the wiki and ask questions before you attempt the methods.
And if you have a TDP or basic line to transfer the upgrade to the risk of losing UDP is ZERO!
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Thanks, I meet all those conditions, but my new phone is arriving tomorrow (new from Motorola) - so, the point is actually moot. Plus, I preferred to get a new SIM from them for this phone, which they said they would easily provide (just as I got for an offline-purchased S5 for my spouse).
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Verizon can eliminate UDP at any time even if you are on contract. Being on contract makes it less likely b/c they would have to eat the subsidy. Not so if you are off contract
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I've always known that the unlimited data plan would not last forever - if they cut it in the next year and I was otherwise able to use the method you've documented, I'd lose about a year that a 2-year contract would have provided. Not great, but them's the breaks with Big Red, I figure.
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The reality is that when Verizon was going to throttle UDP lines, it was only the off contract UDP lines b/c they knew if you complained, they could just cut you loose with no loss financially. Not so if you are off contract.
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Fortunately, I haven't been throttled in my experience, unless that just wasn't obvious to me. Although, I honestly don't think they'd care whether I was on a contract or not, in such a case - how they deal with the grandfathered terms is certainly up to them.
In either case, the only effective complaint I could expect to make would be taking my family account and moving it wholesale to another carrier.
Paying full retail for a phone is not using an upgrade. There is NO RISK AT ALL OF LOSING UDP IF YOU PAY FULL RETAIL. No reason to be careful either. You simply cannot lose UDP if you pay full retail unless you are naive enough to do it in a corporate store where the malicious reps will switch you off of UDP for no reason.
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I upgraded my spouse's phone for Christmas in the store, with a friendly Verizon rep, who gave us a new SIM to fit the offline-purchased S5 (vs her old SIM in the S III). I expect the same process to happen for this Nexus 6 on my line and have already spoken to them ahead of time to ensure this model and my plan won't suddenly throw any red flags up in their expectations. To them, it's the same as what easily took 20 minutes in their store 1.5 months ago.
So, I feel our situation is good, thanks.
- wader

Wow my first post prophetically sums up the following posts perfectly. As Roy Batty (Nexus 6) so eloquently said:
"Terrible thing to live in fear..... (of losing unlimited data, lol)...that's what it is to be a slave".

ChristianJay said:
Wow my first post prophetically sums up the following posts perfectly. As Roy Batty (Nexus 6) so eloquently said:
"Terrible thing to live in fear..... (of losing unlimited data, lol)...that's what it is to be a slave".
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Just saving some money for now by buying the phone direct from Motorola - moving away from UPD would cost me an additional $30/month (minimum), for example. I'll easily move back under standard contract with them (for this particular line - other lines in our family are under two-year contracts) when UDP is fully withdrawn or their other plans miraculously become more attractive. Has nothing to do with which phone is on which line, though.
- ooofest

ooofest said:
Plus, I preferred to get a new SIM from them for this phone, which they said they would easily provide (just as I got for an offline-purchased S5 for my spouse).
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You can buy a new SIM card from a Verizon Authorized Retailer for $10 any time you want. Verizon phone reps will mail you a SIM card for free if you tell them you are buying a used phone. Just don't use the automated system to activate it - call and have a rep do it.
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I've always known that the unlimited data plan would not last forever - if they cut it in the next year and I was otherwise able to use the method you've documented, I'd lose about a year that a 2-year contract would have provided. Not great, but them's the breaks with Big Red, I figure.
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I am staying on contract b/c the odds are highest of keeping UDP the longest if you are on contract.
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Fortunately, I haven't been throttled in my experience, unless that just wasn't obvious to me.
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They only throttle if you have a 3G device on your UDP line.
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Although, I honestly don't think they'd care whether I was on a contract or not, in such a case - how they deal with the grandfathered terms is certainly up to them.
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The contract is the same no matter what plan you are on - they can change the terms of your service at any time for any reason. If you are postpaid they have to give you written notice and then you have 60 days to object to the change. If they don't change you back then they have to let you out of your contract w/o an ETF.
If you are off contract, they can change anything they want and you have no contract so there is no penalty to Verizon since you have already paid back the subsidy by completing your contract.
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In either case, the only effective complaint I could expect to make would be taking my family account and moving it wholesale to another carrier.
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If they are going to eliminate UDP then they will have taken that consequence into account when they made the decision to eliminate UDP.
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I upgraded my spouse's phone for Christmas in the store, with a friendly Verizon rep, who gave us a new SIM to fit the offline-purchased S5 (vs her old SIM in the S III). I expect the same process to happen for this Nexus 6 on my line and have already spoken to them ahead of time to ensure this model and my plan won't suddenly throw any red flags up in their expectations. To them, it's the same as what easily took 20 minutes in their store 1.5 months ago.
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Well the issue is the device IMEI being whitelisted. Verizon gives out SIM cards by mail for free, that is a non-issue. And you can buy them from a VAR for $10 no issues.
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Just saving some money for now by buying the phone direct from Motorola - moving away from UPD would cost me an additional $30/month (minimum), for example.
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You aren't saving any money by buying the phone direct from Motorola. You can buy it subsidized from Verizon using your upgrade very soon and still keep UDP. But if you don't want to wait, you can use your upgrade to flip an iPhone and use the profit to put toward the N6.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon?

JulesJam: I sincerely appreciate that you've come up with a scheme and support forum to help upgrade phones with subsidies and retain UDP with Verizon, but that doesn't mean everyone is equally interested in what you've outlined elsewhere on the matter. Something to keep in mind.
On to some specific items of note.
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You can buy a new SIM card from a Verizon Authorized Retailer for $10 any time you want.
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I went into a Verizon store today in order to get the official line and they willingly went through the motions to see if they could get my phone a SIM card and into their system, using their standard process. I just wanted to see how they would react and then use that to talk further about how they might accept manufacturer-purchased phones.
Of course, they couldn't at this time because the system didn't recognize my phone's identifier - but, they said the same thing happened with early iPhone 6 purchasers who came into the store, which had to wait until their systems formally accepted their numbers. I've had three Verizon reps tell me that this Motorola-bought phone should be OK to register, so we'll see. But, I'll have to wait a bit for that formality.
I appreciate the information on process to activate, if I did get a card from a retailer.
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I am staying on contract b/c the odds are highest of keeping UDP the longest if you are on contract.
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Maybe, but as I said, it would be a matter of months lost if that occurred, so I wouldn't cry too much. I know we're living on borrowed time.
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If you are off contract, they can change anything they want and you have no contract so there is no penalty to Verizon since you have already paid back the subsidy by completing your contract.
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I managed to keep an OLD voice/msg plan for many years beyond its official timeout, only changing when I needed to add a new line. They haven't changed my terms dynamically before, but if they start up with that, oh well.
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You aren't saving any money by buying the phone direct from Motorola. You can buy it subsidized from Verizon using your upgrade very soon and still keep UDP. But if you don't want to wait, you can use your upgrade to flip an iPhone and use the profit to put toward the N6.
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I'm not into flipping, but thanks. Still, if I did the legwork to get a subsidized phone on UDP, I'm would definitely not want to wonder if I could get a switch order taken off my account, either - our other plan needs have been changing with a growing family. I can see all the work you and others have put into this contribution to others for potential savings, but - compared to moving into a limited data plan with a subsidized Nexus 6 - I'm actually making out better before two years is up from the date of purchasing this phone directly from Motorola (i.e., that's how much I would save on $30/month UDP vs what I would need to switch to for an adequately sized, limited data plan).
And, Verizon just lowered their other plan rates, so I'm taking a new look at their offerings with a subsidized phone. My Nexus 6 just arrived yesterday I've only opened the box to charge and ensure the phone turns out, has no glaring defects, etc. I don't look forward to it, but if I need to sell because their new plan pricing would actually be a better deal per month, I could sell this phone in the next couple of weeks and get a subsidized, is one route to take. But, with limited data. I've got some calculating to do tonight.
- ooofest

I hope they give and activate nano sim for you. I just went through this a week ago and couldn't get sim activated without IMEI of Verizon phone to be used. So I got me friends droid turbo, which uses nano sim, and used its IMEI number to activate sim and put it in my Nexus 6. No problems.

phillywood said:
I hope they give and activate nano sim for you. I just went through this a week ago and couldn't get sim activated without IMEI of Verizon phone to be used. So I got me friends droid turbo, which uses nano sim, and used its IMEI number to activate sim and put it in my Nexus 6. No problems.
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I actually had a followup with them later in the afternoon over the phone - they did some research with their Management, interestingly enough. Since more calls have been coming in for the Nexus 6, this Rep wanted to get up on things.
AFTER they start offering Nexus 6 phones on their network, then they'll add an unaffiliated Nexus 6's information (i.e., IMEI, serial number, etc.) into their own phone database, which will allow it to be recognized for activation. After that, they'll simply go through the standard process to activate, including provision of a new nano-SIM.
When I brought in an independently purchased Galaxy S5 that was already in their database, they easily gave me a new SIM to upgrade the spouse's existing line (from her prior Galaxy S III).
So, if I don't want to purchase a nano SIM from an Authorized Retailer (as suggested earlier) or cut my existing one down to size (it's tempting), it's just a matter of waiting a few weeks to go through the standard registration and activation process for this manufacturer-sold phone.
- ooofest

ooofest said:
JulesJam: I sincerely appreciate that you've come up with a scheme and support forum to help upgrade phones with subsidies and retain UDP with Verizon, but that doesn't mean everyone is equally interested in what you've outlined elsewhere on the matter. Something to keep in mind.
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I didn't come up with the scheme as you call it. Others did. Just spreading the word, and although you may not be interested, many others are. I promise not to mention the "schemes" to you again, lol!
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I managed to keep an OLD voice/msg plan for many years beyond its official timeout, only changing when I needed to add a new line. They haven't changed my terms dynamically before, but if they start up with that, oh well.
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AFAIK, the only legacy plan Verizon has ever d/c'ed is the unlimited international roaming plan.
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I'm not into flipping, but thanks. Still, if I did the legwork to get a subsidized phone on UDP, I'm would definitely not want to wonder if I could get a switch order taken off my account, either
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You mean pending activation. Switch orders are attached to the SIM card when you order from a 3rd party retailer and you get rid of them by destroying the SIM card the phones ship with. When you order through Verizon, no switch order, but there is a pending equipment order. Both pending activations and pending equipment orders have reliably fallen off of everyone's line within about 2 months at the latest. Oh wait, sorry I promised not to talk to you about my "schemes" anymore, lol!
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And, Verizon just lowered their other plan rates
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This is only true for the 1-4GB and 20GB plans. The 10GB plan went up substantially (25%) and the 15GB plan was eliminated and replaced with more expensive 14GB and 16GB plans.
The plan they are now advertising for a family of 4 is $145/mo with 4 smartphones on edge sharing 8GB. Two days ago, you could get 4 smartphones on Edge sharing 10Gb of data for $140/mo. How is $5 more and 2GB less of shared data a price decrease, lol!!!
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When I brought in an independently purchased Galaxy S5 that was already in their database, they easily gave me a new SIM to upgrade the spouse's existing line (from her prior Galaxy S III).
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Of course they did. Why do you keep repeating this like it is some great feat you pulled off? Verizon gives any current Verizon customer free SIM cards for any phone you want to put on your line as long as the phone is whitelisted. They will mail them to you if you ask and they send them out 2 day shipping for free. In corporate stores they give you one no questions asked but you have to bring the phone in and they activate it for you.
VARs will sell you one for $10.
Don't use the automated system to activate a new SIM card if you have UDP.

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I didn't come up with the scheme as you call it. Others did. Just spreading the word, and although you may not be interested, many others are. I promise not to mention the "schemes" to you again, lol!
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Say whatever you want, it's a free board.
"Scheme" is an appropriate term, btw: it's a crafty path, a method and way of doing something. If you don't like that terminology, argue with Merriam Webster.
This scheme is "yours" in the sense of it being the one you linked to in this topic and started evangelizing. I see how active you are in that Slickdeals topic and it's obvious you've invested in using the various methods involved. It's as much "yours" in this topic as anyone who contributed to the wiki, obviously.
Further, "spreading the word" doesn't need to include treating me as if I'm doing something wrong by avoiding that scheme - I'm not insulted or amused, just now becoming mildly annoyed at your odd insistence to habitually respond in weird attempts to somehow counter my explanations of why I don't see personal value in trying those methods, as if I should suddenly wake up, see the light and just go along with it all.
Not that you should even care, but I don't cleanly meet the line/phone/upgrade criteria for most of the methods shown that can use Verizon as the path: 4ever, Flying Arrow, Snkydvl, etc. The paths most likely to fit with our account status involve using a third party - hence, the "switch order" reference.
Let's make this clear: you don't know me, my account or what I've read and how many options I researched before determining my current way to get a Nexus 6 on this line - don't assume I need schooling on this. I thanked you for your time and reference, have given you the time of day, but I don't think you should expect anything more in my clarifications.
- ooofest

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Further, "spreading the word" doesn't need to include treating me as if I'm doing something wrong by avoiding that scheme
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I in no way implied you were doing something wrong. Something that I consider foolish, sure, but wrong, no.
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- I'm not insulted or amused, just now becoming mildly annoyed at your odd insistence to habitually respond in weird attempts to somehow counter my explanations of why I don't see personal value in trying those methods, as if I should suddenly wake up, see the light and just go along with it all.
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You are OTT and now I need to shut this conversation down. Ciao!
Good luck with those "lower" data plan prices Verizon is offering, lol!

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I in no way implied you were doing something wrong. Something that I consider foolish, sure, but wrong, no.
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It seems you have no idea what you actually said, there. And, I'm staying with my UPD - the Rep was apparently offering me discount at the store, not one available online.
Have a great day.
- ooofest

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Have a great day.
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It's night where I live, but ciao to you too!