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I own my Nexus 10 since March 2013. Everything worked fine for me (i was always on the latest Stock Rom - did no reset etc.).
Well, by the time i noticed that the nexus has become a bit slow and laggy. Especially since I got a Nexus 5 which is just fast without any lag since christmas last year. Everything is also on stock there...
Last week I had enough and I did a factory reset. Well, compared to the Nexus 5 it still feels laggy. Every click takes a some time before something happens. It's not that bad that I couldn't use it, but it is a bit disturbing.
Main question 1: Guys, am i just confused because my Nexus 5 is that smooth, or is the Nexus 10 just simply old and too weak for KitKat.
I know, i could use some custom roms. But i am totaly ok with the Stock rom. I like it, as it is! So i don't urgently need a custom rom.
Main question 2: What possibilities do I have, to make the stock rom a little bit more smooth?
Thanks for your tips!
I've noticed that the performance seems to have slipped a bit since KitKat. Maybe its just me, but some of the 4.2.2 ROMs here were very smooth (though they are sadly discontinued now). There are still a handful of solid roms for kitkat. I haven't been on a stock ROM since the day I bought my Nexus 10 so I can't comment on stock.
You sound pretty firm about not flashing a custom ROM but I would urge you to reconsider for the boost in performance--not to mention added features. Aside from that you could try a custom kernel or various tweaks. There are some mods here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking that add a little boost through scripts like zipalign, better memory management, etc. That's about all you can do.
brGabriel said:
I've noticed that the performance seems to have slipped a bit since KitKat. Maybe its just me, but some of the 4.2.2 ROMs here were very smooth (though they are sadly discontinued now). There are still a handful of solid roms for kitkat. I haven't been on a stock ROM since the day I bought my Nexus 10 so I can't comment on stock.
You sound pretty firm about not flashing a custom ROM but I would urge you to reconsider for the boost in performance--not to mention added features. Aside from that you could try a custom kernel or various tweaks. There are some mods here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking that add a little boost through scripts like zipalign, better memory management, etc. That's about all you can do.
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I agree with ^^^^^^. Custom roms + overclock would be your best friend for an aging device. When you are used to the speed of a faster device like the nexus 5, the nexus 10 will just naturally feel slower (which it is). There is really not much you can do if you insist on staying stock. For me, I'm using mrrobinson's 4.3.1 buttered AOKP with Manta kernel, OC CPU to 1900mhz, set touchboost to cpu 1500mhz and gpu 533mhz. The device feels noticeably faster than stock, but of course it will never be as smooth/fast as your nexus 5.
Hi!
Thanks for your answers and for the confirmation of my perception.
I just don't have the time for testing so many roms, but maybe i will try one or two...
I also thought maybe I could change the CPU Govenor of Stock or Overclock it...
Well, however - it's a two year old device - that's tech live!
guitargod said:
Hi!
Thanks for your answers and for the confirmation of my perception.
I just don't have the time for testing so many roms, but maybe i will try one or two...
I also thought maybe I could change the CPU Govenor of Stock or Overclock it...
Well, however - it's a two year old device - that's tech live!
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I run 4.4.4 on my N10 with no appreciable amount of lag.
I run Slim Rom.
I don't overclock, mod kernels, etc.
This tablet doesn't need any of that.
I do run Greenify, Ad Away, and Autostarts. This keeps my tablet as snappy as the day I loaded the ROM.
Run any ROM for a while and it starts to lag. Root allows you to correct the issue.
I find it really lags when apps are updating, or when restoring apps. I never considered my Note 2 fast but it handles all of these tasks with barely a whimper. Guess # of cores is important.
Its time for a new tablet soon, but not really sure what I'm going to go with. I want to get away from Samsung's physical/capacitive buttons, but also want high res and speed.
Holy crap mine started lagging out of the blue about a week ago. I'm going to take this as a sign that a new nexus 10 is coming and google wants us to upgrade!
My Nexus 5 has really spoiled me as far as smoothness. I'm on slimkat on my Nexus 10 but I'll be trying a 4.2.2 rom to see if there is a difference as some threads around here say.
As far as KitKat Roms go, I find Liquidsmooth to be very snappy (however the YouTube app crashes are a deal breaker for making it my daily driver )
Probably the smoothest ROM I've ever run was Sabermod 4.2.2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292927
Also the early Eos 4.2.2 ROMs were really good too. They also had tablet mode or left-aligned navigation buttons.
There are plenty other good ones but that's just my two cents.
My advice would be to run the 'performance' CPU scheduler, which locks the CPU at 1.7ghz. Makes quite a big difference, and the impact on battery life is minor. :good:
I've installed AOKP 4.3.3 and so far it's way smoother than KK. In going to try Eos 4.2.2 and see how it does.
The nexus 10 is not too weak for kitkat
I find that Nexus 10 on KitKat with a custom rom and kernel runs very smooth and fluid (at least as fluid as nexus 4 which is very good).
Personally I run official Omnirom 4.4.4 with franco kernel r16. I have also flashed bionic and dalvik optimized libraries which are actually intended for qualcomm devices - but by some magic work well on my nexus 10 and improve performance in benchmarks by as much as 20%! And browser and interface feels much smoother after flashing these library patches.
You can download them in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/mod-dalvik-bionic-library-optimization-t2537299
I flashed the Z2 bionic and the Moto X 4.4.2 dalvik files. (They work on 4.4.4). Flash patches before flashing custom kernel. (download 4.4.4 KTU84P stock library also and flash in case you get a bootloop after flashing the optimized libraries)
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Try is out yourself. Not everyone has the same experience with the same rom.
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I have tried few most popular roms for note 3 (even tho its TMO i was using supported ones) and i can tell you that stock lolipop gave me best experience and here is why.
My first rom ever to be flashed was darklord note 5 port by darkera13 and even though it gave me stunning battery idle time it also gave me some bad experiences using camera software which was either poor quality or simply not working when it was needed.
Next I tried s6 port by same developer assuming 5.0.2 base would be much more compatible with our official one but there were some massive memory redraws and weird display brightness bug(screen becomes dim on wakeup).
Since roms above were used as base to other port style roms I dont expect any better from them.(not saying they are bad,contrary,but when stability and reliability is in question ill prefer stock sluggy rom.
I must say that I have never used CM on note 3 so I must leave that to someone else but by the time I am writing this i am using stock and only 5.0 rom provided by TMO on top of lean kernel.(also its massively debloated ).
Cheers,hope it helps!!
AryaMod: Fully featured. Stable. Fluid too (as fluid as stock), and believe some features are really handy, like the alarm notification on lock screen which Samsung omitted from Lollipop. Just use it without Xposed, and you are good to go.
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I have tried few most popular roms for note 3 (even tho its TMO i was using supported ones) and i can tell you that stock lolipop gave me best experience and here is why.
My first rom ever to be flashed was darklord note 5 port by darkera13 and even though it gave me stunning battery idle time it also gave me some bad experiences using camera software which was either poor quality or simply not working when it was needed.
Next I tried s6 port by same developer assuming 5.0.2 base would be much more compatible with our official one but there were some massive memory redraws and weird display brightness bug(screen becomes dim on wakeup).
Since roms above were used as base to other port style roms I dont expect any better from them.(not saying they are bad,contrary,but when stability and reliability is in question ill prefer stock sluggy rom.
I must say that I have never used CM on note 3 so I must leave that to someone else but by the time I am writing this i am using stock and only 5.0 rom provided by TMO on top of lean kernel.(also its massively debloated ).
Cheers,hope it helps!!
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Try tazzy-aurora note 5 port with darklord kernel 1.5 & LS speed mod. Everything works fine and it's really fast with good battery life.
I flashed the s6 settings + stock ui mod (extra mods) and i'm really happy with. Also no camera flickering with darklord kernel
See my sig. Temasek ftw ^^
ithehappy said:
AryaMod: Fully featured. Stable. Fluid too (as fluid as stock), and believe some features are really handy, like the alarm notification on lock screen which Samsung omitted from Lollipop. Just use it without Xposed, and you are good to go.
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AryaMod IMO is by far the best Lollipop TW based experience available. I tried literally every single rom from here for 5.0 and nothing compares to Arya when it comes to stability, usage, battery... I highly recommend it!
Always back to cyanogemod CM12.1 = quick, slim, reliable. Only negative is of course the lack of s pen, but you got some third party apps for that.
Used to be great fan of miui, however they are now getting less popular by making their new MIUI 7 lollipop based, which is a sad thing.
I have been using custom rom on this device since i bought it and took it out of the box (4-5 months ago).
To be honest and coming from other "superior" device, in terms of performance this device never disappointed me, for me it's like a "diesel car", you'll not have the power that maybe you are able to get whether you have a device powered by a Snapdragon 800-35 series. But this device ever performs very decently in every task, without major troubles.
Today i used my girlfriend's G4 Plus Dual-SIM XT1641 (totally stock, non-rooted, no anything, besides the lot of trash apps/games and Google bloatware that she has installed) and surprisingly i felt it much more "light/fast", for example when scrolling. So, i decided to make comparissions using the so much hated benchmark test (Geekbench 4 specifically, and AnTuTu 3D).
My results were:
Stock Nougat (7.0 June security patch):
Single-core: 742
Multi-Core: 3081
Stock LineageOS 14.1 (without modifications):
Single-Core: 662
Multi-core: 2314
The stock G4 plus did the test 5 minutes more quickly than the other one (mine XT1641 Single-SIM).
Then, i did the same test with AnTuTu, the result was similar, the stock one scored like a 20% better, and ended the test 3-4 minutes first. But the important thing for me was in the graphics test (GPU), honestly the stock one destroyed my device (running 14.1) in terms of graphic smoothness (FPS). The graphics in my device were really slow and i could see this slowdown in real time (running the test in both devices side to side, in the same time) [5/7FPS less than the stock one].
I use LineageOS 14.1 with his stock kernel, as it comes.
The obvious question:
[Question]: Why this happens?
I ask this because in every device that i owned the results were the opposite, i mean: CyanogenMod/LineageOS was pretty superior than the Stock rom (in terms of performance and even in benchmarking tests).
Don't get me wrong and think that i am complaining about the custom rom performance, in fact, i love (and i'm currently using) custom roms. I am just curious about the reasons of these results.
Your opinions are really welcome.
I never use or trust benchmarks. I always go off by what feels better to me.
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I never use or trust benchmarks. I always go off by what feels better to me.
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Definitely that's te way to go. :good:
I can also say that stock is alot smoother than the custom ROMs. Gaming performance is also better and I've even tried asking why custom ROMs gaming performance suffers compared to stock but no one seems to respond
I've tried LOS and ViperOS on my G4 Plus (XT1640 2gb RAM). The performance was much better with both custom ROM's, It was very snappy, held more apps in memory and was a more pleasant experience. Stock ROM perfoemance is not bad, but I see very clearly that the apps won't stay im memory for long and often I have scrolling lag when using facebook on chrome. For gaming I havent noticed any diference whatsoever.
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I've tried LOS and ViperOS on my G4 Plus (XT1640 2gb RAM). The performance was much better with both custom ROM's, It was very snappy, held more apps in memory and was a more pleasant experience. Stock ROM perfoemance is not bad, but I see very clearly that the apps won't stay im memory for long and often I have scrolling lag when using facebook on chrome. For gaming I havent noticed any diference whatsoever.
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What games have you tried?.
I've tried bleach brave souls and I get seriously bad lag compared to stock.
Although you are right about stock having bad memory management
yes even i feel the same in custom roms while scrolling or even while pulling the quick settings bar there is a lag but stock rom is pretty smooth and even the battery backup on stock is better than many custom roms but for most of the people thats ok and they dont care about these things and they like the customizations and theme support and many other features that are not available in stock
i personally feel like i can literally see the battery percentage going down in custom roms too fast
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yes even i feel the same in custom roms while scrolling or even while pulling the quick settings bar there is a lag but stock rom is pretty smooth and even the battery backup on stock is better than many custom roms but for most of the people thats ok and they dont care about these things and they like the customizations and theme support and many other features that are not available in stock
i personally feel like i can literally see the battery percentage going down in custom roms too fast
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Try the aosp one's like omni, aosp extended, ultra-caf, du, cypher (btw official 4.1 is out), pure nexus, cosmic they are smoother than most of the lineage based one's.
In my opinion, I'm thinking that if you root the phone the performance decreases. The more you do, the more the performance decreases. Stock roms all always better for me.
Will you install an stock rom or stay in linage??
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In my opinion, I'm thinking that if you root the phone the performance decreases. The more you do, the more the performance decreases. Stock roms all always better for me.
Will you install an stock rom or stay in linage??
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I am on stock right now, rooted with EX. I obtained the same results as the post (with Geekbench 4). I know that the score isn't really important, anyway, i will use this rom a couple of days, to take better conclusions.
I notice that on stock, I get 5-7 hours of SoT, but on any ROM, even stock aosp, I get 3-4 hours. Quite strange.
I am by no means an expert on this but maybe the Moto stock rom is just much better than most stock ROMs. Where a custom rom may show performance improvements over other custom ROMs, they aren't an improvement over other stick ROMs? I don't know . I think the developers of ROMs for our device have done a fantastic job and I enjoy the customizations the ROMs offer. After having hard bricked my last phone twice (unable to bring back to life the last time), I am sticking with a locked bootloader and stock for awhile. Don't want to have to replace my phone again.
Multi-core: 2330 with Cypheros 7.1.2
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I am by no means an expert on this but maybe the Moto stock rom is just much better than most stock ROMs. Where a custom rom may show performance improvements over other custom ROMs, they aren't an improvement over other stick ROMs? I don't know . I think the developers of ROMs for our device have done a fantastic job and I enjoy the customizations the ROMs offer. After having hard bricked my last phone twice (unable to bring back to life the last time), I am sticking with a locked bootloader and stock for awhile. Don't want to have to replace my phone again.
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Totally agreed, developers like Silesh.Nair, Jleeblanch, vache, and others did amazing jobs here. We are lucky to have devs of that level, because we have ROMs of quality and variety for this device. Thanks for your great opinion.
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Try the aosp one's like omni, aosp extended, ultra-caf, du, cypher (btw official 4.1 is out), pure nexus, cosmic they are smoother than most of the lineage based one's.
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I installed OmniROM yesterday, used it for a while, and yes, it runs much more smoother than the LOS based ROMs i've tried, also i did the Geekbench 4 test, the results were: Multi-Core: 3081, Single-Core: 738, hence, the test is not lying (same results as the stock rom).
Still i do not know why the performance of the LOS baseds rom is not like the AOSP ones. I am not saying this only based in the results of a test.
I am currently on RR because i love his customization and features, but i see the difference when i try AOSP in terms of overall performance.
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I installed OmniROM yesterday, used it for a while, and yes, it runs much more smoother than the LOS based ROMs i've tried, also i did the Geekbench 4 test, the results were: Multi-Core: 3081, Single-Core: 738, hence, the test is not lying (same results as the stock rom).
Still i do not know why the performance of the LOS baseds rom is not like the AOSP ones. I am not saying this only based in the results of a test.
I am currently on RR because i love his customization and features, but i see the difference when i try AOSP in terms of overall performance.
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Which ROM did you recommend for more battery and performance? Based on your device and your experience.
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Which ROM did you recommend for more battery and performance? Based on your device and your experience.
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OmniROM, without a doubt. I tried plenty of roms, it's seems to be the only purely AOSP based. This rom performs like the stock one but whit the plus of a better battery life.
The only bad thing about Omni could be that is has not all the features that the LOS based ones offers, like Invicta or RR.
well, that's right. for me stock rom also feels a lot smoother faster and battery life is incredible. best stock software i've seen from motorola. i like custom roms and all the possibilities they bring, and we already have some very stable like invicta, or LOS. but i love this phone on stock (and debloated hehehe)
Hi,
My father is using my old S5 (KLTE) for about 2 years now. He's recently complaining about the performance (response and battery) of the phone. So I was in search for a price/performance phone to replace his S5.
But then I decided that in the old days, I was able to have better performance from my old Android phones by just changing the rom. (to a lite and recent version) together with a factory reset, I believe he will have better performance for at least a few more months while I find a better phone for him
So, I'd like to get your suggestions on a performance rom.
Preferably, I'd go with a touchwiz based rom because I don't want to change his familiarity of the interface. But I know that it (touchwiz) would mean loss of performance.
he's used to use video talk over the GSM so I believe this is only available in touchwiz , right ?
On the other hand, a lite rom with possibly Nougat (7.1.x) would be a good upgrade.
I can't select at the moment which path to go.
Can you recommend me best roms for each path ? (Touchwiz and Non-Touchwiz)
Thanks.
Currently I'm with the stock Marshmallow ROM from Samsung and it's pretty fast. You can check my signature for all the info about it. But I'll soon change to MagMa ROM VX3 (when it gets released) which is a port from the S8/Note 8. While still on Android 6.0.1 it has all the features and is lighter I think. Try out a few ROMs and see which one's the best. It all depends on apps installed, kernel used, disabled stuff, etc. In my opinion better to stay on TouchWiz since he's familiar with it. Plus non-touchwiz ROMs tend to have bugs.
I would like to know also if there is any custom rom than has better performance than the last stock one and has no bugs. I'm afraid that custom roms could have neither and add some extra features that won't compensate.
About the battery you can simply buy another one. That was the last Galaxy S to have a removable one and that is the main reason why I have not upgraded it. But I have the feeling the phone has become slower, even I have reset it.
Try these ROM. It is a TouchWiz Rom so I think your dad would like it. It is fast in terms of performance and battery life is okay. Works best with boeffla. Heres the link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...om-xxx-limits-1-1-stable-smooth-fast-t3304941
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Try these ROM. It is a TouchWiz Rom so I think your dad would like it. It is fast in terms of performance and battery life is okay. Works best with boeffla. Heres the link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...om-xxx-limits-1-1-stable-smooth-fast-t3304941
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But in what way is this better that the last stock one? And it has any disadvantage? (battery life, bugs etc that are usual in custom roms)
For me the bigger problem of the phone are not the features, that come mostly from the apps and they are the same. It is the performance as it always have a delay before starting any app that is not present in newer devices.
Even cheap devices as the Moto 5 has better performance, but the camera and the display is worse as the Galaxy S5 was a high end device making the upgrade a mix bag. Unless I go to more expensive devices. But the ideal would be a rom that optimize more the speed.
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But in what way is this better that the last stock one? And it has any disadvantage? (battery life, bugs etc that are usual in custom roms)
For me the bigger problem of the phone are not the features, that come mostly from the apps and they are the same. It is the performance as it always have a delay before starting any app that is not present in newer devices.
Even cheap devices as the Moto 5 has better performance, but the camera and the display is worse as the Galaxy S5 was a high end device making the upgrade a mix bag. Unless I go to more expensive devices. But the ideal would be a rom that optimize more the speed.
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So far so good. No problems or bugs at all. The performance of the Rom is absolutely amazing when it comes to games or whatever you are doing. I even got a 64000 score in Antutu Benchmark without overclocking. I think it is the most stablest Rom that I had to my galaxy s5.
My recomendation if you want fast its the Ressurection Remix 5.8.5...
Its the fastest rom I've tried no doubt
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My recomendation if you want fast its the Ressurection Remix 5.8.5...
Its the fastest rom I've tried no doubt
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But is buggy in any way? And what is the link for the rom? I have done a search and appears lots of different versions.
My s5 has the tendency to stall at the start of google maps and is rather slow with google assistant. Eventually I will buy one new but I would prefer a s9 (that is quite near) or s10
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But is buggy in any way? And what is the link for the rom? I have done a search and appears lots of different versions.
My s5 has the tendency to stall at the start of google maps and is rather slow with google assistant. Eventually I will buy one new but I would prefer a s9 (that is quite near) or s10
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I can tell you its that google maps its faster on rr 5.8.5 and on home screen you slide to the left and you are on google assistant so its great for you
You find the oficial rr rom on the oficial site
Search on google
Currently on a Standard Rooted Touchwiz 6.0.1 Port Rom (basically S5 rom, very stable and s pen and everything works.).
I was wondering if there is any other rom that is great/better for gaming and general usage. I don't mind touchwiz or pure android...
I think for more performance without tweaking the kernel much, your best choice would be going for AOSP ROMs like RRN or LineageOS. Stock Android ROMs tend to offer much more performance (at the cost of battery especially while gaming) with stock settings. Both of the two mentioned ROMs are stable enough for general usage (I've used both of them for weeks and months and had no issues whatsoever).
If you want to stay with a TouchWiz based ROM, best choices (but not limited to these only) would be MagMa NX ROM, Aspire ROM along with the Phantom kernel. Phantom kernel at it's new releases offer great stability and best combination of battery life and performance.
My advice would be this: Try each one of them out. Trying period should last at least 2 days so that the ROM and kernel can settle down. Then you should be able to decide which one suits your needs best
All the best in experimenting!
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I do prefer Aspire ROM with tweaked gugu0Das kernel, maybe it's not that stable as not tweaked one, but offers the best performance. For example AspireROM+gugu0dasTW + Real Racing 3 on High works perfect.
But if you want something more stable, then do like @grumpycoder100 said, that would be the best choice then.
And do try each one of them, because it depends from you which one will have the best performance in your opinion.
Best regards!