I was hoping there is a call recording feature with the Essential phone. I would appreciate a toggle switch to enable or disable the ability. I'm not interested in downloading an application specifically for the purpose or even having to root my phone. I want a native app which can accomplish this task.
Please give the people what they want.
PS I am able to record calls on my Xiaomi Mi5 but I'm ready for a change.
In a lot of states this is against the law so most companies remove it to avoid legal issues.
Xiaomi doesn't sell their devices in the US so that's why they have that feature.
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Not being willing to even downloading an app to add a feature seems very much against the spirit of both Android and XDA
Anyway, since their philosophy is to minimise the number of pre-installed apps they add, and all (p)reviews say it is more stock than a Pixel, I'd be surprised if they have done this irrespective of the legal issues.
I have experimented with multiple phone call recording applications I am no longer willing to re-root my handset after every software update.
At the end of the day, I just want something to be of high quality and reliable. This is the Only reason I am still with Xiaomi. They give me the features I want and if I am giving my personal information to the Chinese, instead of the Americans, so be it.
See the attached screenshots. My Xiaomi Mi5 handset permits me to record in low, standard, and high quality MP3 audio.
wezy904 said:
I have experimented with multiple phone call recording applications I am no longer willing to re-root my handset after every software update.
At the end of the day, I just want something to be of high quality and reliable. This is the Only reason I am still with Xiaomi. They give me the features I want and if I am giving my personal information to the Chinese, instead of the Americans, so be it.
See the attached screenshots. My Xiaomi Mi5 handset permits me to record in low, standard, and high quality MP3 audio.
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There are lots of app that get the result you want and none of them require root.
wezy904 said:
I have experimented with multiple phone call recording applications I am no longer willing to re-root my handset after every software update.
At the end of the day, I just want something to be of high quality and reliable. This is the Only reason I am still with Xiaomi. They give me the features I want and if I am giving my personal information to the Chinese, instead of the Americans, so be it.
See the attached screenshots. My Xiaomi Mi5 handset permits me to record in low, standard, and high quality MP3 audio.
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You have been told why it isn't there. Google has no call recording built into stock Android. Oem that, have it add it in themselves.
You will not only have to root to do this but you will also need a separate app.
As for the info of either China or America. Keep this in mind. Most Chinese data gathers also install malware as well as viruses. Main reason their stock software is not allowed to be on devices outside of China. But hey its just your personal privacy. Not a big worry
Actually since we all have other people's personal data on our phones I'd say data security is never just about your own privacy (something that those who decide they don't care overlook).
wezy904 said:
I was hoping there is a call recording feature with the Essential phone. I would appreciate a toggle switch to enable or disable the ability. I'm not interested in downloading an application specifically for the purpose or even having to root my phone. I want a native app which can accomplish this task.
Please give the people what they want.
PS I am able to record calls on my Xiaomi Mi5 but I'm ready for a change.
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Call recording is important to me as well. Currently on OnePlus2 with root. I'm using Call Recorder by skvalex. It is a paid app. Cost 10$ but worth every penny. It has many nice features, i.e. cloud and contacts integration. You can read about here: https://callrecorder.skvalex.com/info
The app was pulled from Play Store. But you can still get it from the developer directly. I doubt there is support for Essential Phone yet. But it might still work with Standard API recording method.
Xiaomi does come with stock call recording which is a great plus to me, but it is not very useful to scroll through hundreds of files to find the recording you need. There is no way to manage or sort them, except through regular file sorting in android.
Anyone interested in getting built-in support: I would recommend you contact Essential and make a request: https://support.essential.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
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sash11 said:
Call recording is important to me as well. Currently on OnePlus2 with root. I'm using Call Recorder by skvalex. It is a paid app. Cost 10$ but worth every penny. It has many nice features, i.e. cloud and contacts integration. You can read about here: https://callrecorder.skvalex.com/info
The app was pulled from Play Store. But you can still get it from the developer directly. I doubt there is support for Essential Phone yet. But it might still work with Standard API recording method.
Xiaomi does come with stock call recording which is a great plus to me, but it is not very useful to scroll through hundreds of files to find the recording you need. There is no way to manage or sort them, except through regular file sorting in android.
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I have used the trial version of skvalex on my Essential w/o root and it works.
Jul 9, 09:59 MST
I need to find out from you (the manufacturer) if the phone will have the capability to record mobile phone conversations in high quality audio files. This capability is very important to me and this will determine if I purchase the phone. It looks beautiful and I hope the OS capabilities match the hardware.
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jnmacd said:
Anyone interested in getting built-in support: I would recommend you contact Essential and make a request: https://support.essential.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
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I have used the trial version of skvalex on my Essential w/o root and it works.
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This is very good to know! Thank you for sharing. Is there any chance you may do a short instructional video and put it on YouTube so that I and others may learn about your Essential phone and the potential configurations that actually work?
I have written to essential as you suggest. Thanks for that too.
I have had Skvalex installed on my phone once before and even tho it was a root situation I want something which is discrete. I don't want it to be blatantly apparent that the call is being recorded either. I use my phone in the open and if there is an obvious recording going on, the person's around me will notice especially if I'm using the speakerphone option.
I've also used Boldbeast which was pretty neat.
I don't think Google has realized the potential implications of :-
1) providing a native onboard call recording Android feature ( on enabling you are forced to click through Legal mumbo-jumbo - "May not be legal to record in your state, two party concent, blah blah blah")
2) onboard and cloud storage option with paid expanded storage options ( 5 Gb, 10Gb etc)
3) the thousands of hours of recordings are now used to perfect understandings of accents, slangs, dialects etc. This is used to perfect AI, because it's where our hands free world is going.
I don't kid myself. I'm sure the Chinese are doing this exact thing with all of my recordings which are stored online at :- https://account.xiaomi.com/
If they are doing it, the west should as well. Realize the inevitable, keep the information in "safe, responsible" hands, and give the people the options they really want. If Mi5, Mi6, FBI, all have my recordings, if I'm the one making they phone call, why the hell shouldn't I have a copy too?
My 2 cents.
wezy904 said:
This is very good to know! Thank you for sharing. Is there any chance you may do a short instructional video and put it on YouTube so that I and others may learn about your Essential phone and the potential configurations that actually work?
I have written to essential as you suggest. Thanks for that too.
I have had Skvalex installed on my phone once before and even tho it was a root situation I want something which is discrete. I don't want it to be blatantly apparent that the call is being recorded either. I use my phone in the open and if there is an obvious recording going on, the person's around me will notice especially if I'm using the speakerphone option.
I've also used Boldbeast which was pretty neat.
I don't think Google has realized the potential implications of :-
1) providing a native onboard call recording Android feature ( on enabling you are forced to click through Legal mumbo-jumbo - "May not be legal to record in your state, two party concent, blah blah blah")
2) onboard and cloud storage option with paid expanded storage options ( 5 Gb, 10Gb etc)
3) the thousands of hours of recordings are now used to perfect understandings of accents, slangs, dialects etc. This is used to perfect AI, because it's where our hands free world is going.
I don't kid myself. I'm sure the Chinese are doing this exact thing with all of my recordings which are stored online at :- https://account.xiaomi.com/
If they are doing it, the west should as well. Realize the inevitable, keep the information in "safe, responsible" hands, and give the people the options they really want. If Mi5, Mi6, FBI, all have my recordings, if I'm the one making they phone call, why the hell shouldn't I have a copy too?
My 2 cents.
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Here is the issue. As it is not legal in all states, if it was built in then it would prevent those devices from being sold in that state.
Google has been asked about this before and they have said over and over that due to the laws it is just not something they are interested in.
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Here is the issue. As it is not legal in all states, if it was built in then it would prevent those devices from being sold in that state.
Google has been asked about this before and they have said over and over that due to the laws it is just not something they are interested in.
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Other phones are already doing this (zenfone 3). Its "opt-in" so its up to the owner of the phone to determine if they should enable or not.
Edit: Although, it certainly is interesting if I let someone borrow my phone, and they make a phone call. I have inadvertently recorded a phone call between two people, neither knowing it was recorded.
Funnily enough, Google (who owns Waze) navigates the same legal requirement to prevent an active driver from using their phone while the car is in motion. They (Waze) have exercised their "due diligence" in the eyes of the law by putting in the following screen warning "Typing is disabled while driving. Please try again while stopped". At this point the Waze user can click the 'PASSENGER' button, and the warning goes away and the driver can use his phone as normal.
Noted, it doesn't prevent the driver from using his phone, it only covers Waze's @$$ should the driver be involved in an accident and any hint of liability in Waze's direction. This is the due diligence I speak of.
In the same breath, Google could meet every expectation of legality with a warning prior to first useage of the Native recording applications such as "Recording of phone calls is not legal in every state. Make sure you check the laws which apply to your location. Google assumes NO liability with the continued use of this feature"
jnmacd said:
Other phones are already doing this (zenfone 3). Its "opt-in" so its up to the owner of the phone to determine if they should enable or not.
Edit: Although, it certainly is interesting if I let someone borrow my phone, and they make a phone call. I have inadvertently recorded a phone call between two people, neither knowing it was recorded.
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Yes but then zenfone is made by a Chinese company not held to the same laws Google is.
wezy904 said:
In the same breath, Google could meet every expectation of legality with a warning prior to first useage of the Native recording applications such as "Recording of phone calls is not legal in every state. Make sure you check the laws which apply to your location. Google assumes NO liability with the continued use of this feature"
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Also keep in mind you would have to know the laws in the state you are calling as well.(lets not even think about a conference call) See where it is just easier for google not to do it themselves. They leave that up to the OEM like Samsung (euro/Asia versions) and Zenfone as well as other companies who's main target is "not" the US. There are many things that are illegal here that are completely legal in other places. It really is a slippery slope for international companies. Soo many different rules and laws that could end up in massive lawsuits.
The only way this would work is the way that companies have it and that is with an warning to both people at the start of every single call.
wezy904 said:
This is very good to know! Thank you for sharing. Is there any chance you may do a short instructional video and put it on YouTube so that I and others may learn about your Essential phone and the potential configurations that actually work?
I have written to essential as you suggest. Thanks for that too.
I have had Skvalex installed on my phone once before and even tho it was a root situation I want something which is discrete. I don't want it to be blatantly apparent that the call is being recorded either. I use my phone in the open and if there is an obvious recording going on, the person's around me will notice especially if I'm using the speakerphone option.
I've also used Boldbeast which was pretty neat.
I don't think Google has realized the potential implications of :-
1) providing a native onboard call recording Android feature ( on enabling you are forced to click through Legal mumbo-jumbo - "May not be legal to record in your state, two party concent, blah blah blah")
2) onboard and cloud storage option with paid expanded storage options ( 5 Gb, 10Gb etc)
3) the thousands of hours of recordings are now used to perfect understandings of accents, slangs, dialects etc. This is used to perfect AI, because it's where our hands free world is going.
I don't kid myself. I'm sure the Chinese are doing this exact thing with all of my recordings which are stored online at :- https://account.xiaomi.com/
If they are doing it, the west should as well. Realize the inevitable, keep the information in "safe, responsible" hands, and give the people the options they really want. If Mi5, Mi6, FBI, all have my recordings, if I'm the one making they phone call, why the hell shouldn't I have a copy too?
My 2 cents.
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I've been using Call Recorder by skvalex for as long as I can remember. There is no obvious way for other people to see that call is being recorded. Only a small audio tape like icon on the status bar is shown while call is ongoing. You really have to know what to look for in order to recognize that call is being recorded. I think you are blowing it out of proportion)
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I can confirm that Skvalex's Call Recorder works "right out of the box" without root.
With that said, I prefer Total Recall by Killer Mobile software (www.killermobile.com). I've been using it for several years now quite successfully, and I prefer it. The developers and customer service have always been highly responsive, new "mainstream" devices get supported quickly after they are released, and the UI is simple and intuitive, and it has a ton of features & options. It is also very discreet - the notification light does NOT blink when recording, and the only indication it is recording is a very small microphone icon in the status bar.
The current version (2.0.59) does not yet work to capture the other side of the call at sufficient volume to hear it well. I emailed the developer about this, and was given the opportunity to try a test build, which worked perfectly, *without root*. It is my understanding from the developer that this "fix" will be included in their next release. Based on past experience, I expect this will be very soon, i.e. a week or two, if not significantly less.
Price: You can buy a year long subscription for $5, you can subscribe for 1 month for $1 from within the app, or you can purchase a lifetime license for $10 at www.killermobile.com (which, BTW, can be transferred / re-registered to a new device within the first 12 months from purchase). Trust me when I say I'm a tightwad, I prefer free apps, but this is one app I've always been willing to pay for because it's been "bulletproof" for me. :good::good::good:
(disclaimer: I'm NOT affiliated with the developer in any way, not getting compensated for this, and was NOT asked to do this. I'm just a very, very, very satisfied user!!)
FWIW, Total Recall was just updated today to version 2.0.61, with a new recording method called "Native X". I have tested and can confirm that this new method successfully captures both sides of a call, loud and clear.
Can Element record calls after Android 9.0?
I can't get Total Recall to work on Element, but I'm also running Android 9. Do you think that's my problem? I've tried every configuration I can think of, both inside and outside of the app. Native X no longer seems to be the smoking gun...
I created this thread as an Android Pie 9 issue. Google removed the API so all third party apps that do not work are now broken with Pie.
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I'm looking for a replacement for Mobile Defense since they seem to have discontinued their product. What's the best FREE app that will locate your phone, blast the ringer, remote wipe, etc...?
Thanks!
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Lookout is a good app, if u set it up properly u wont even know its there yet, it does its job pretty well, no probs since mt4g came out, its free, but they recently added "premium" services, witch are really just to lock ur phone throught the site, ,, U can backup, locate, an keep virus free, for free though, you just cant lock it from online,.. also i doubt its a battery drainer, i still havent noticed any xtra battery loss
Thanks for the info. I'm looking to be able to remote wipe and remote lock and track the phone as well for free. Mobile Defense does all this but I don't think they're developing anymore and I heard there were issues with it on Froyo...
Lookout Mobile Security
Yea but Lookout charges you for the features I want...
Legaleye3000 said:
Yea but Lookout charges you for the features I want...
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sometimes everything is not free. And sometimes you get what you pay for.
True, but if Mobile Defense offers all of those for free, someone else must also. I remember seeing an app that had everything for free, I just don't remember what the other app was.....
I saw this Lost Phone app. Haven't used it but it is free:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/lost-phone/com.gadgetprojects.lostphone
Wavesecure is the best!!!!!!!
When u autolock it sounds an alarm.....and when a different sim is inserted it sends text messages to numbers that u list in ur buddy list....doesn't let the person do a master reset
*Sent from my Tmobile MT4G*
When it comes to goofy apps and misc apps; free is always nice. But when it comes to security, I never compromise. Free or not, you get what you pay for.
I use the Premium version of Lookout. I used the free version for a long time and the jump was worth it.
There will always be someone who wants everything for free. Well...some things AREN'T. Get over it. Deal with it. That's the way it is.
If you want something bad enough and no-one makes it, why don't you be the first then?! Go develop a free security app that does everything you want then give it away to the rest of us who aren't complaining...
JM2C
Prey
The app you're looking for is called Prey. The company's website is PreyProject.com. I tried posting links but I can't because I'm a new user.
Legaleye3000 said:
I'm looking for a replacement for Mobile Defense since they seem to have discontinued their product. What's the best FREE app that will locate your phone, blast the ringer, remote wipe, etc...?
Thanks!
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Just to clarify, Mobile Defense has not discontinued anything as I am still happily using their product. They have simply closed their open beta period (and it has been closed for quite awhile, 6 month or so). If you got in before it closed and simply had to swap phones, they have links on their website to re-download the client as long as you have a login.
You can no longer find them via the Market due to having closed their open beta period.
Please post questions in Q&A section.
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The app you're looking for is called Prey. The company's website is PreyProject.com. I tried posting links but I can't because I'm a new user.
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There are several threads in the MT4G area about 'lost phone' style apps. Even though you sometimes get what you pay for, I'd rather not pay the $20-$30 per year for the ability to lock and fine my phone (as both Wavesecure and Lookout would seem to require) unless there's really no other alternative.
After reading through the recommendations in all of these threads, Prey actually looks like it might be the best in terms of offering the most features in the free version. I'd be interested in hearing more of other people's thoughts and experiences in using these apps (with consideration of their respective prices).
For now, I'm going to download Prey and I'll report back later with my thoughts.
Trip report on Prey:
So I got Prey installed on both Mytouch 4G's on my account and tried it out. The free version of the app lets you specify your phone as 'lost' via a user-defined SMS, and this worked every time. Upon sending the SMS to put the phone in 'lost' mode, you can also have the app perform several actions on the phone, including sounding an alarm, displaying a user-defined alert message, and locking the phone (with the stock android locking mechanism, but a Prey specific unlock password). These actions can be modified from he Prey website control panel (even after phone is in lost mode), and are performed a frequency of between 10 and 40 minutes while the phone remains lost. You also receive an e-mail alert when your phone is put into 'lost' mode. Prey also has the option to put itself into lost mode if the sim card is replaced.
Regarding everything above, Prey seems to work great. A couple things to be aware of though: when the alarm sounds on your phone, it starts at the loudest volume but can be reduced in volume to zero with the rocker on the side of your phone even when locked. If it sounds again after the specified interval, it starts out at the loudest volume, but again can be reduced. Also, if you opt to lock your phone, then the user-defined alert message won't be displayed until the correct unlock password is entered on the device. Thus, you can't both lock your phone and display a message to the person who has it. The developers indicated that a future version of Prey may allow for an alert message to be displayed first, with a keypress then sending the phone to the lock screen. This would be a significant improvement imo, since it would be nice to display contact information for someone who may have innocently found your phone while at the same time protecting your privacy by having the phone locked down.
[[[EDIT: This paragraph no longer applies. As reported in my post (below), the developers have now fixed this problem, but I'm leaving this paragraph here as part of my original review. "Prey currently fails on the MT4G when it comes to generating reports in order to track the activities and location of your lost phone. The reports are supposed to be generated at the same frequency as the actions above (10 to 40 minute intervals) when in 'lost' mode, with the free version allowing you to have up to 10 reports on file before the newest report will replace the oldest one. However, after trying every possible setting I could think of on both the Prey side and phone side, I could never get these reports to generate on a consistent basis (success on <10% of attempts). I contacted the developers about this and other questions/concerns, and they were friendly and helpful with trying to resolve the issue. Apparently they haven't had any problems like this on their test device, but again, the reports are not reliable for the MT4G."]]]
In summary, Prey works great for being able to lock down your phone via SMS if it's lost or stolen, with an optional alert message and alarm sound. It currently does not [EDIT: DOES...the problem was fixed] work in terms of helping you find the location of your lost or stolen phone via gps/wifi, etc.
Note: Lookout does offer the ability to locate your device in the free version of that app, but does not allow wipe or lock without purchasing the premium app. Thus, perhaps using Lookout in conjunction with Prey allows the free version of each of these apps to compliment one another.
Edit: The developers of Prey continue to be very friendly and responsive. They contacted me to let me know that they are continuing to work on resolving the problem with generating reports. I'll report back when the issue is resolved.
Thanks to me if you found this review helpful : )
Update: The developers of Prey did some debugging and were able to find the problem that was keeping the location reports from being consistently generated. I tested out a fixed version on both of my Mytouch 4Gs and it now seems to be working perfectly.
We really need to rally and get Google to fix some major issues with the Android OS. If Android is going to be truly universal and be able to compete, and beat Apple, it needs to at least be able to do what it can do. Please read: http://claar.org/blog/?p=180 and call, email, post, blog, whatever you can to get Googles attention on these issues.
And thank you for your support.
P.S. Pass this url on to every android user you can.
http://claar.org/blog/?p=180
Sent from my ADR6300, not my wife's iPad...
You have a legitimate argument but those items you listed are never performed by me. =[ Sorry. Everything I need done, works. =]
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Android still has a way to go before being all things to all people. It has the potential though so i'm sure we'll see improvements in the areas where it's currently weak.
Nice write up though. I hope these issues are resolved for you soon.
Write your congressman. Attend your local PTA meeting.
Don't gey me wrong, I love my Android phone, just saying that Google is missing the boat on the Enterprise side of things. Used to have an iPod touch that worked flawlessly on our corporate intranet, can't say the same for my dinc. As the workforce continues to become more mobile, they'll be carrying iPads instead of Xooms or Galaxy tabs.
Sent from my ADR6300, not my wife's iPad.
are there really people who use android's and ipad's/iphone's for work???
o-o?
id rater use a PC or laptop. but yha.
think all the company's want to be cool?
i cant go suport this.because my android does what it needs to do.
remember. smartphones and tablets aren't pc's,so they shouldn't do the work of a pc.
ghost010 said:
are there really people who use android's and ipad's/iphone's for work???
o-o?
id rater use a PC or laptop. but yha.
think all the company's want to be cool?
i cant go suport this.because my android does what it needs to do.
remember. smartphones and tablets aren't pc's,so they shouldn't do the work of a pc.
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Why shouldnt they? Why should they have limitations. I say the more capabilities the better!
Universally, I don't understand Googles LACK of contact and attention to it's customers. Like most people are aware that e-mailing google is a complete WASTE OF TIME. I'd love to meet someone who has yet to actually get a meaningful response from google. I understand that they are a HUGE company and can easily get overwhelmed by emails, but the complete lack of response in general is UNACCEPTABLE. Why do they act this way, ESPECIALLY to their customers? Eitherway, they should respond in some way to all emails, understandable for free products, but for PAYING customers like us Android users, should get a response.
Google is worse than Sprint when it comes to response. I don't get it or understand.
I'm an IT Director for a medium sized medical manufacturing company and I've been testing ipads as a laptop alternative for our salesforce, and I have to say, I would be absolutely pissed if I had to use an ipad(or any tablet for that matter) for work.
Don't get me wrong. They work. But do you want to do all your work on them? HELL NO.
I have a remote desktop app on my mytouch 4g and I use it every now and then when I need to fix something or get onto the server for any reason. That doesn't mean I'm going to ditch my computer because my phone is capable of doing something my laptop does. Tablets, smartphones, mobile devices in general...they should be used to supplement computers, not replace them.
And as far as google 'not listening to their customers', you obviously haven't been on any sort of development team before. Especially not one that had any sort of fast progress. I don't know if you've noticed, but chip manufacturers have released dual core mobile cpu's. So google can either work on your vpn problem and appease a small number of enterprise users(people who will actually use a vpn on their phones), or they can concentrate on optimizing their code so it will work well with the next generation of hardware. They're obviously going to concentrate their manpower(or womanpower) on development for next-gen hardware. If the support ticket exists, they'll work on it. But there are thousands of them, and people need to realize that just because it's important to you specifically, doesn't mean it's an important problem. VPN access doesn't effect the overall functionality of the os during normal use, so it's going be put on the back burner, that doesn't mean it won't be fixed.
And whoever said go to pta meetings, PTA = parent teachers association. Good luck getting heard there.
While on the subject of fixes, I'm more concerned about linked market data and being able to transfer purchases to different accounts. I.E. switching from a google apps account to a gmail account. Also, the 'master account' crap. There should be a way to change which login you use to connect to gtalk and the market without having to reset your device to factory. That just sucks.
LOL, I used to get those "wake-up" calls from the 3rd shift platform operators. I got my butt out of bed, got on my PC and fixed the problem or marked it "next day" and fixed it when I got to work.
I can't see using a phone's screen size to debug a couple hundred lines of JCL or batch COBOL program Not to mention, I was usually talking to the operator at the same time I needed to see something on the PC; very hard to do with a phone.
Can it connect to Microsoft's pptp? Yes - http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/smartphones/connect-to-a-pptp-vpn-from-your-android-phone/2145
problem 1. You can connect to a proxy (unless i'm not understanding your complaint) There's Proxy options under the settings menu.
Problem 2. I've noticed this but apparently some 3rd party browsers can do it.
Problem 3. Not sure about this one, but i connect to many different networks (public, domestic and at uni) and have never had a problem like this.
What you're saying is that you have various problems that the vast majority of people will never experience and you are wondering why Google aren't dropping everything to fix it immediately? These problems (to me at least) seem incredibly minor.
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Universally, I don't understand Googles LACK of contact and attention to it's customers. Like most people are aware that e-mailing google is a complete WASTE OF TIME. I'd love to meet someone who has yet to actually get a meaningful response from google. I understand that they are a HUGE company and can easily get overwhelmed by emails, but the complete lack of response in general is UNACCEPTABLE. Why do they act this way, ESPECIALLY to their customers? Eitherway, they should respond in some way to all emails, understandable for free products, but for PAYING customers like us Android users, should get a response.
Google is worse than Sprint when it comes to response. I don't get it or understand.
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Because they already have your money, therefor they could care less. And they will continue to get your money, his money, her money etc because they make a product and provide a service that we all have come to rely on. They've got the hook set, you can't break free and they can let us dangle as long as they want.
But maybe the combination of google, samsung, and verizon has destroyed my outlook.
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I think many of these issues will take a long long time to see resolved.
You need to consider what motivates google RE Android. Hint: It is not paying customers.
Thing is, normal market forces are not at work in the Android space. This is
my BIGGEST issue with Android.
@andmiller
You don't think your needs are most important ones, do you? There are many, many things to do, not only these mentioned by you.
For me your "This is Important" bugs are minor. Actually I didn't know about them to this time. I care much more about NDK APIs, performance and UI improvements and this is exactly what Google does.
Also there is one good reason to focus on new APIs, standard libraries, developer tools, etc.: Google is only one who can improve them and sooner is better. They could fix bugs at any time, they could also port them to older versions of OS. But if they add new API, it will take some time for developers to use it, because new API won't be supported by most of devices. So it's much better to work on a new features first and fix minor bugs later.
BobPaul said:
I think many of these issues will take a long long time to see resolved.
You need to consider what motivates google RE Android. Hint: It is not paying customers.
Thing is, normal market forces are not at work in the Android space. This is
my BIGGEST issue with Android.
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You have got that completely backwards. Iphone is not normal market space. Each manufacturer running android os have to set themselves apart from each other, hence skinning the os. If customers demand, need it, it will get fixed or innovated.
Apple controls all, What they say goes. Example: no flash, theming....
Amazon drops their android app store on tues. Why, market forces.
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hey dude most of those issuses were fix sort of well i wouldnt say fix because google came out with a whole new O.S. most of ur issuses hav been resolved in the honeycomb os and greater but u dont need a fix u need a app that can handle what u need
> Can it connect to Microsoft's pptp? Yes - http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/sma...oid-phone/2145
No, or at least, not for several hundred people at least, some who have even provided logs of both sides of the conversation. Some bug comments are from companies, representing complaints from their customer base, so it is probably more. I could write an article that shows how to do it, too, but that doesn't mean that I've tested all combinations. If the author's VPN was not encrypted, he wouldn't have seen the problem, and--since his connection worked, and there's that encryption checkbox--he might have just assumed it worked. He might have even tried it: You can connect with encryption, you just can't stay connected for any length of time.
> problem 1. You can connect to a proxy (unless i'm not understanding your complaint) There's Proxy options under the settings menu.
I can manually set a proxy, although there are reports that this is not a standard part of android, but a value-add by the phone mfr. A third-party program could perhaps recognize which WAP I connect to and set values accordingly, but only if I want everything to go through the proxy, and not just some things. That would have worked at HP, but my ulterior motive is to proxy a specific blocked port so that I can pop my email to my wifi tab. OK, I'll admit, my actual reason isn't a compelling case for Google! ;-)
> Problem 2. I've noticed this but apparently some 3rd party browsers can do it.
I'm not surprised that some clever programmer patched around the breakage, but it needs to be solved generally. Really, this and VPN are the most important issues for me.
> Problem 3. Not sure about this one, but i connect to many different networks (public, domestic and at uni) and have never had a problem like this.
You have never had a problem like this that you know of! Most folks have been bitten by this when the run into a place with short leases, and only find out--if they do--by accident, since most places don't check for violators.
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For the person who asserted that these are fixed in the latest release, that doesn't appear to be the case, according to the bug reports.
Are there really people who use their portable device for work? Not if it is android-based! (I know, cheap shot, but--for many of us--a true statement).
I have a galaxy tab. With working VPN and ssh, I could login and do a simple database change "echo blah blah blah|mysql", restart a job, whatever. I'm not going to write a couple of thousand lines of code, but I might look at a couple of thousand lines of a log file! Instead, I have to fire up the PC, which means I have to be around the PC, and I'd rather have the freedom of mobility.
With the Note3, and all that I have been reading, I was thinking the new phones have finally caught up. I hate to say it after spending the money, but the technology seems crude compared to the Touch Pro2. So far I've been quite disappointed.
1. With the Touch Pro2, I can hold down the button on the ear piece and say:
"Call Nicole at mobile"
it will come back with "Call Nicole at mobile?" and it will not be a robot voice. It will be as natural as a normal speech.
Then I answer either "Correct" or "Yes" and it makes the call.
I can also do this with the screen on, and pressing and holding the call button.
With the Galaxy, the screen must be off for it to work. I also have to turn it off or it keeps listening and getting confused. On my TP2 it's always on, but I need to push a button before sending it a command, not activate and deactivate it each time. This is a usability killer.
2. The S-Pen does no better job interpreting text than the TP2 does. Where the TP2 beats the stars out of the Note 3 is that with the TP2, it is simply another keyboard, just like Voice is, and it has little edit icons to fix things, again like voice. The writing area is where the keyboard would normally be, and it translates after the end of each sentence. Thus, any app you install that you can type in, can use it, such as in a Word document, with word wrap.
3. the Touch Pro2 can automatically record all of your conversations, and then ask you at the end if you want to save it. That saved me in a legal suite already where I could prove a $1300 error on a vendor's part. I've also used it countless time to forward conversations, which is far more effective and efficient than taking notes. I hope I can find an app for this that works as well.
4. I also use the TP2's voice recorder in meetings a lot in meetings. While I haven't tried one of them out yet, perhaps there is a Note 3 app that is just as good.
5. Full backups and restores were easy with the TP2, and it backed up via USB to your PC. You can clean it down to the nothing, and restore it completely, no rooting required because you always did have root.
6. With the TP2, you always have root, and you can custom flash to anything you want, and right back to factory if you want to. With the Note 3, everybody sweats warranty, no OTA updates, etc.
The problems with the TP2 is the hardware. Even overclocked it can be pretty slow at times, Microsoft turned of Bing turn-by-turn navigation for it, new apps are no longer written for it, no 4GL, and the list goes on. I like the flexibility that I'm used to from the TP2, but the iPhone app interfaces seem to be more natural and better thought out. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet, but I didn't expect to be at this point after all of these years.
Any thoughts of what I may be missing would be appreciated.
1. If you havent, download and install google now and under settings check the box that allows you to use google now on any screen. Then you dont have to touch the phone just say "OK, Google" then your commamd such as call someone, I use it all the time especially when im driving.
2. Dont use this feature enough.
3. You can thank Verizon for this. The international variant has this feature, Verizon liking to have total control took this option away. There are 2 options though; most custom roms have that feature baked in call recording. And also there are apks out there that have been said to work really well such as AndroRec, automatically runs in the background (if you use this use mode 2 btw for best recording volume) and I believe tbis is a free apk.
4. Theres a stock android apk called voice recorder already installed on your phone. Look under your tools folder if you still have it completely stock, ive rearranged my apk draw so not sure where its at exactly but its there thats a basic apk thats preinstalled, and its simply called voice recorder.
5. You can do this to an extent using Titanium Backup, your Google account to back up apks and data, and even Verizon assistant. I just had to get a new phone 2 weeks ago and it took about 20 minutes on wifi for mt phone to auto download 95% of my old apks and sync all my contacts, email, photos, etc etc. No root required just signed into google services.
6. Dont blame the phone for lack of root. Thus is strictly an OEM/Carrier thing. As I said earlier Verizon goes in and changes things and request manufacturers to lock and block features out all the time. Every carrier does this, except for Apple every OEM listens. Including Google a la Galaxy Nexus. Its just carriers wanting the final say in a product just to hold it over the consumer as to say "It may be your phone, but we're still the boss". You cant hold this to the phone lacking.
The Note 3 and most android phones are great devices from the manufacturers. Sadly most phones are hampered by carrier needs and demands. Apple does make a great phone my wife switched from the GS3 to a 5s, and currently has a 6 plus, and I just ordered one myself for my business line. If you want a stock OS that isnt carrier modified with great support and updates thwn Apple is a great phone, you just cant modify/customize and even do as much with it as most Android phones. On ther flip side except for really Nexus devices, if you want a customizable phone with alot of tweaks and mods but for the most part be carrier locked down then go with Android. Its a rock and a hard plave thats for sure.
amebiasis said:
1. If you havent, download and install google now and under settings check the box that allows you to use google now on any screen. Then you dont have to touch the phone just say "OK, Google" then your commamd such as call someone, I use it all the time especially when im driving.
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It came on my phone. It's in the Google folder. However, I don't see a check box to allow using Google on any screen. When I turned S-Voice off, it takes over when I'm connected Bluetooth. It does not respond to "OK, Google" with the screen on or off. Perhaps there is a different one on play?
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3. ...there are apks out there that have been said to work really well such as AndroRec
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It is clearer than Automatic Call Recorder it seems, but it suffers from the same problem in that it doesn't record any calls that are made from a Bluetooth headset. (No doubt easily cured by root access)
amebiasis said:
4. Theres a stock android apk called voice recorder already installed on your phone. Look under your tools folder...
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And it works better than anything I've installed. Thank you.
amebiasis said:
5. You can do this to an extent using Titanium Backup.
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That requires root
amebiasis said:
...your Google account to back up apks and data, and even Verizon assistant.
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That wouldn't be legal for me. It must be local.
amebiasis said:
6. Dont blame the phone for lack of root. Thus is strictly an OEM/Carrier thing. As I said earlier Verizon goes in and changes things and request manufacturers to lock and block features out all the time. Every carrier does this, except for Apple every OEM listens.
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Do you get root with Apple? That would be interesting. Android is a Linux fork. IOS is a UNIX FreeBSD fork, and FreeBSD and Apple work together all the time. I moved all of our servers off Linux to FreeBSD, so the environment would probably be somewhat familiar.
amebiasis said:
...Apple does make a great phone my wife switched from the GS3 to a 5s, and currently has a 6 plus, and I just ordered one myself for my business line. If you want a stock OS that isnt carrier modified with great support and updates thwn Apple is a great phone, you just cant modify/customize and even do as much with it as most Android phones.
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Being able to modify the looks is nice to have, but for me, Android+carriers doesn't give me the functionality I need and can get on a 2006 Touch Pro2. If I can get that functionality from an iPhone out of the box by adding a few apps, that makes sense. One other drawback that I heard though is the iPhones cannot walk and chew gum unless it is on a GSM carrier.
My needs are business needs:
1. A good local backup that I can restore the whole phone back to a previous point in time.
2. Local synchronization with Outlook desktop or exchange.
3. Automatically record both sides of telephone conversations, including when on Bluetooth.
4. Be able to initiate calls using my Bluetooth headset
5. Be able to use voice commands to initiate calls from the phone without the headset
6. Decent navigation
7. RDP so I can work on customer's and our servers.
8. VPN so I can work on customer's and our servers.
9. A good file manager like ES that can work over an SSH connection.
10. A good SSH terminal program like PuTTY.
My wants are:
1. Good speech to text. (I could care less about text to speech)
2. Good handwriting recognition in useful apps, like my TP2 has.
Thanks!
I installed "Google Now" from play, and it said it updated what was already on the phone. I haven't gotten the "OK, Google" to work, but when I press the microphone on the home screen and say "Call <somebody>", I get a popup that it wants all of my contacts. It even does that when I tell it the number to dial a number. Thus, needing them for voice purposes as indicated in the message is a deliberate lie. If I skip it, it does a web search on the phone number. I don't need to give them my contacts when I call via Bluetooth, and it works just fine. That indicates to me that Google doesn't need your contacts for voice purposes, it is selling your contacts to anyone who will pay. Those who would pay would only be unsavory characters.
Hi everyone. I'll explain you. After i watched the documentary about Edward Snowden, i feel that someone is spying on me. I found the blackphone online, and his PrivateOS is awesome! I'm not a porter, so if someone may port the PrivateOS to our OnePlus X, it would be awesome!! Some guys, wanted to port it on xperia (sauce: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/privatos-rom-1-0-1-t2833178)
If you want privacy buy a BlackBerry.
Hi, I had it on my Wiko Wax. I didn´t like it because de UI it´s not nice and it has a lot of security apps that I think it´s unnecessary for users like us. We have decent protection with security patches and the best security is the user. Maybe the blackphone rom is very secure yeah but if you want 100% security with this ROM just buy the blackphone, I don´t think it will be useful on our OPX. And yeah someone is spying on you. Google.
Exodusche said:
If you want privacy buy a BlackBerry.
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Respect his idea, don't make fun.
sheraz1015 said:
Respect his idea, don't make fun.
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Thank you so much sheraz1015!
Yesterday, i found a video on youtube. This guy was explaining how to get your search history of Google.
I found that Google, was spying on me...they recorded with microphone of my OnePlus X my voice, every 2h!!
I was surprised that they recorded me also when i was sleeping!!!
I found also that they tracked my position, but my gps is always switched off!!
I didn't know that, but everyone who has google play services on the phone, they keep in history when you open
or close any app that you have. I'm pissed off!
Will someone try to port it, or make a secure rom, maybe not based on google apps?
WithoutValorFreedomDies said:
Thank you so much sheraz1015!
Yesterday, i found a video on youtube. This guy was explaining how to get your search history of Google.
I found that Google, was spying on me...they recorded with microphone of my OnePlus X my voice, every 2h!!
I was surprised that they recorded me also when i was sleeping!!!
I found also that they tracked my position, but my gps is always switched off!!
I didn't know that, but everyone who has google play services on the phone, they keep in history when you open
or close any app that you have. I'm pissed off!
Will someone try to port it, or make a secure rom, maybe not based on google apps?
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Can you send me the link please..
sheraz1015 said:
Can you send me the link please..
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Here it is dude
Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtmR9L0ITlM
Go to minute 2:03 also
Wasn't trying to be rude just herd blackberry has best security. But In this case I don't think it would matter. Thanks for sharing this don't think too many people know about it.
okay first: appreciate, that obviously there are other people concerned about their privacy.
second: there are people even more concerned about their privacy, like i.e. German's chancellor, making them pay 10,000$ for a cell phone - hacked. so how secure can som cell phone for some 100$ be?
next: about BlackBerry: where is ur privacy when all ur communication is routed through a private companies servers? As long as u do not fully trust such a company i'd call that surveillance too...
that being said: what do u consider to be secure regard ur privacy? first answer urself this question before making any progress. keep in mind, that ur cellphone is basically a full featured tracking system (which isnot a bad thing per se).
What do I mean?ˋWell for instance personally i don't consider photos synced to dropbox/google drive/microsoft's whatever to be private. they're located on servers inside the use, and as such accessable by officials whenever there's desire. also I do absolutely not consider my passwords to be safe when synced to my google account. Next i will not consider any call to be secure in a matter of "no one can listen"- that wont change unless u use end-to-end encryption which requires the called person to have an according setup. etc etc
i came to the conclusion that my phone simply is NOT secure! So if u do not intend to just keep ur hands off any device connected to the internet/gps u can be tracked. Just a matter of the effort to achieve that....
Now how can i just keep calm with all that. well i actually don't. its a compromise for me, as i just don't want to miss certain points which are provided by smartphones.
However I totally disagree with just handing over my private data making it needless to spy on me cause i instafacetweet**** whenever i'm at starbucks taking a coffee or sending private photos using services, that claim property of such (needless to call it by name..)
finally, to shorten this and maybe give u one or two hints especially regarding google apps etc:
- y handing google my actual name (u certainly won't be able to hide ur identity just because of this!! but referring to the last paragraph above this is step no1)
- personally i use opengapps pico which shrinks the amount of spyware down a bit (however there are some packages included safe to uninstall)
- regarding the "google tracks my app usage": well this is because u grant playstore/play services permission to do so (settings-->security-->app ausage access)
- also i have restricted access to pretty much anything for google apps as i only want playstore running(privacy guard or similar)
- using greenify (xposed required i guess) u can "uncover hidden synchronizations" which will (what a surprise) a HUGE list of syncs to be disabled in settings -->accounts-->google-->whatever
- also take a look in google settings (ads/"security")
- system administrator
etcetcetc...
if u want to minimize the chance one can create location profiles: mac spoofing (i guess thats the english term). also when u use buetooth headset, u ar visible for any near device. same goes for wlan search, nfc bla.
These are just a few things that make me personally feel a bit more comfortable using such devices. a huge part in this takes NOT using whatsapp/facebook or anything like that. i'm convinced computers don't understand social interaction, and as such they should only take a minor "transmitting" role in this and not tell me who/what i might like or what the f***
I actually do have friends and they will know if theres sth worth to know, which works the other way round too.
I hope I somehow stuck to the read thread (do u really say so? ) and maybe there were 1 or 2 points of use for u.
Whats most: the more u use/rely on such technology, the more of ur life can/will be exposed OR the more effort u will have to put into it to prevent that. (with the only result u increase the effort in spying on u/whatever).
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okay first: appreciate, that obviously there are other people concerned about their privacy.
second: there are people even more concerned about their privacy, like i.e. German's chancellor, making them pay 10,000$ for a cell phone - hacked. so how secure can som cell phone for some 100$ be?
next: about BlackBerry: where is ur privacy when all ur communication is routed through a private companies servers? As long as u do not fully trust such a company i'd call that surveillance too...
that being said: what do u consider to be secure regard ur privacy? first answer urself this question before making any progress. keep in mind, that ur cellphone is basically a full featured tracking system (which isnot a bad thing per se).
What do I mean?ˋWell for instance personally i don't consider photos synced to dropbox/google drive/microsoft's whatever to be private. they're located on servers inside the use, and as such accessable by officials whenever there's desire. also I do absolutely not consider my passwords to be safe when synced to my google account. Next i will not consider any call to be secure in a matter of "no one can listen"- that wont change unless u use end-to-end encryption which requires the called person to have an according setup. etc etc
i came to the conclusion that my phone simply is NOT secure! So if u do not intend to just keep ur hands off any device connected to the internet/gps u can be tracked. Just a matter of the effort to achieve that....
Now how can i just keep calm with all that. well i actually don't. its a compromise for me, as i just don't want to miss certain points which are provided by smartphones.
However I totally disagree with just handing over my private data making it needless to spy on me cause i instafacetweet**** whenever i'm at starbucks taking a coffee or sending private photos using services, that claim property of such (needless to call it by name..)
finally, to shorten this and maybe give u one or two hints especially regarding google apps etc:
- y handing google my actual name (u certainly won't be able to hide ur identity just because of this!! but referring to the last paragraph above this is step no1)
- personally i use opengapps pico which shrinks the amount of spyware down a bit (however there are some packages included safe to uninstall)
- regarding the "google tracks my app usage": well this is because u grant playstore/play services permission to do so (settings-->security-->app ausage access)
- also i have restricted access to pretty much anything for google apps as i only want playstore running(privacy guard or similar)
- using greenify (xposed required i guess) u can "uncover hidden synchronizations" which will (what a surprise) a HUGE list of syncs to be disabled in settings -->accounts-->google-->whatever
- also take a look in google settings (ads/"security")
- system administrator
etcetcetc...
if u want to minimize the chance one can create location profiles: mac spoofing (i guess thats the english term). also when u use buetooth headset, u ar visible for any near device. same goes for wlan search, nfc bla.
These are just a few things that make me personally feel a bit more comfortable using such devices. a huge part in this takes NOT using whatsapp/facebook or anything like that. i'm convinced computers don't understand social interaction, and as such they should only take a minor "transmitting" role in this and not tell me who/what i might like or what the f***
I actually do have friends and they will know if theres sth worth to know, which works the other way round too.
I hope I somehow stuck to the read thread (do u really say so? ) and maybe there were 1 or 2 points of use for u.
Whats most: the more u use/rely on such technology, the more of ur life can/will be exposed OR the more effort u will have to put into it to prevent that. (with the only result u increase the effort in spying on u/whatever).
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Thank you very much for your dedication on a precise answering. All that you said.....you are right. Damn
I'm just trying out Nameless ROM. I noticed it has privacey guard as mentioned above. Whether it actually does anything who knows.
I'm paranoid about google services aswell.
Hence i installed a fresh build of CM13 / AOSP CAF
Installed F-Droid as primary market and replaced apps with open source replacements. (Replaced Chrome/AOSP browser with chromium etc.).
I also installed Firewall, adblocker+ and system manager for monitoring malicious apps and processes. Privacy guard & app ops also works wonders together
this not only gives u ability to customize android your way but also provides good level of security.
If you are still paranoid about identity, u can use orbot and tor network for anonymous identity. (Both found on F-Droid).
This also greatly improves battery life and keeps the phone snappy.
Hope this helps
In all honesty, just use Sailfish and remove everything you find funky. Private OS isn't worth porting. Another alternative would be to just flash any ROM without flashing GAPPs
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At the end of the day though, you are still at the mercy to some company... We have already lost this fight.
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If you are still paranoid about identity, u can use orbot and tor network for anonymous identity. (Both found on F-Droid)
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I agree... in theory. however if u assume to be under surveillance, u better assume that u are not the only one inside the tor network to be under surveillance. u just need to observe a not too small amount of tor servers (which is still a relatively small amount, taking the capacity of todays intelligence services into consideration) to be able to reconstruct the whole path of any communication routed through that network. now also seeing that bandwidth is just lousy, there's just no point in using tor (except u want to access services, that require u to do so).
To cut a long story short, if u want ur internet traffic to be secure, u'll have to go for a vpn provider! (of course u have to trust that provider, as they are able to read anything u pass through that gate)
regards
t
P.S.: if u're interested in vpn service, pm me and i'll tell u my hoster which i think is one of the most trustworthy around and also provides some advanced methods other just don't.
(just to stick to the rules and not advertise here )
According to Samsung customer support and some members of this forum, this device does not have a built-in way of blocking Internet access for specific applications!
Many of those apps have permissions like "storage", "phone ID", "contacts", "calendar", "camera", "microphone", etc...
Therefore, when those applications are given Internet access they will be able to send all our data via the Internet...
That's why it would be of crucial importance and vital to have a built-in way of blocking Internet access to those apps.
For example, if an application has access to your data, to your storage or your contacts, it stands to reason that it should not have Internet access...
The only explanation for the lack of such an integrated system of blocking Internet access for specific applications can only be explained by the fact that Samsung and Google intend to have all our data and info sent over the Internet ... probably for specific domains ...
Google, Samsung or any other companies should not have, simultaneously, access to our storage data, contacts, calendar, camera, microphone..., and Internet access to send out all those data and info...
Besides, most apps are proprietary... so nobody knows what info or data the app is really sending out...
(Curiously and as a side note, my son has a Huawei P10 and that device allows the user to block Internet access to specific apps).
Therefore, given that this Samsung device does not have a way to limit specific applications from reaching the Internet, the phone is a spyware device!
Niccolò Paganini said:
The only explanation for the lack of such an integrated system of blocking Internet access for specific applications can only be explained by the fact that Samsung and Google intend to have all our data and info sent over the Internet ... probably for specific domains ...
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Its google that doesn't want to implement an internet permission, we can block apps from access to storage/location/contacts and whatnot but not the internet, blame google not samsung.
peachpuff said:
Its google that doesn't want to implement an internet permission, we can block apps from access to storage/location/contacts and whatnot but not the internet, blame google not samsung.
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Well, blame them both. Samsung is knowingly 'accepting' the Google 'flaw' on it's phone. So Samsung is also culpable.
Talk about an Over the Top Melodramatic 1st post!
Stay off the internet - Get rid of your Smart TV - Live in a box... SMH
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Niccolò Paganini said:
According to Samsung customer support and some members of this forum, this device does not have a built-in way of blocking Internet access for specific applications!
Many of those apps have permissions like "storage", "phone ID", "contacts", "calendar", "camera", "microphone", etc...
Therefore, when those applications are given Internet access they will be able to send all our data via the Internet...
That's why it would be of crucial importance and vital to have a built-in way of blocking Internet access to those apps.
For example, if an application has access to your data, to your storage or your contacts, it stands to reason that it should not have Internet access...
The only explanation for the lack of such an integrated system of blocking Internet access for specific applications can only be explained by the fact that Samsung and Google intend to have all our data and info sent over the Internet ... probably for specific domains ...
Google, Samsung or any other companies should not have, simultaneously, access to our storage data, contacts, calendar, camera, microphone..., and Internet access to send out all those data and info...
Besides, most apps are proprietary... so nobody knows what info or data the app is really sending out...
(Curiously and as a side note, my son has a Huawei P10 and that device allows the user to block Internet access to specific apps).
Therefore, given that this Samsung device does not have a way to limit specific applications from reaching the Internet, the phone is a spyware device!
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I wouldn't worry about it the NSA and Google already know everything about you.
without permissions 99% of your apps won't work. want to stop tracking ?dig deep into your account, real real deep to cut off a lot of privacy issues
then when you have time, google your name
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....then when you have time, google your name
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Not much came out for me, just a Google+, Twitter, Photobucket and my company activity...
But: I must agree with OP to some extent...at the end it is weighting between functionality vs privacy.
Gregzi said:
Not much came out for me, just a Google+, Twitter, Photobucket and my company activity...
But: I must agree with OP to some extent...at the end it is weighting between functionality vs privacy.
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Agreeing to ANY extent with the OP's RIDICULOUS and ABSURD post & a Thread Title that is Entirely Misleading and Uninformed!
While everyone is entitled to their opinion - This Thread & Particularly it's Title are perilously close to warrant being Reported to the Mods!
It's a simple process to Disable Background Data for each and every Application that you decide to disable in Settings - Apps - Permissions - Data - Background /Toggle Off.
I made reference to Smart TV's as they are constantly "listening" in order to provide functionality - Then there's Laptop cameras which could be equally used to "spy" on their users... Are we to disable the functionality offered by Ok Google - Which is also "listening" to provide the functionality that we have come to expect from our technology?
Two Tin Cans and String are the bastion of the Paranoid & Conspiracy Theorists.
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**** this I'm going back to a Palm Pixi so the NSA can't spy on me!
What if.....
The NSA IS Google?!
Seriously? You're downloading things from F-Droid and Yalp and you're concerned with what data individual apps are sending? If you don't trust an app to have an internet connection, why on earth are you using it? If you don't trust the company behind an app to use your data appropriately, whey are you using that app? Do you shut off all data so your internet/mobile provider can't sniff out what you're doing? Tin foil is relatively cheap.
Niccolò Paganini said:
The only explanation for the lack of such an integrated system of blocking Internet access for specific applications can only be explained by the fact that Samsung and Google intend to have all our data and info sent over the Internet ... probably for specific domains ...
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Surely this is "the only reason", surely. I'll assume you have thought through the entire process of creating a mobile phone operating system as complex as Android, and also every detail involved in creating an application ecosystem that scales to millions of user created applications access by billions of people that worldwide probably generates over a trillion dollars in overall economic revenue (including employment by business built around it, advertising money spent, etc). Surely you saw a foolproof way too easily do all of this AND follow seemingly arbitrary privacy rules? You MUST have also COMPLETELY ruled out every other innocent explanation using this model, including showing conclusively that it wouldn't cause ANRs, app crashes, or anything else. Right?
You also have data showing more than just you would revoke this permission right?
Right?
Mr. Orange 645 said:
What if.....
The NSA IS Google?!
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You mean you only just realised this NOW???!
I have to say, I'm always amazed how little people care about the spying that's being done through their phones. Saying "live in a box" or "just don't use the app" is a stupid response. You can still want to be part of society (which nowadays REQUIRES using whatsapp/facebook/google) EVEN THOUGH you're uncomfortable with the privacy implications. Someone acknowledging and being aware of this, and trying to improve upon it (or even simpler, just demanding improvements by the companies you pay a thousand dollar for a new phone) is often ridiculed as if it wouldn't matter, or people accept it as an something that is required for the systems we use. Social networks could work totally fine without being centralized, google maps doesn't actually need to send your location to google to function, and no app that i know of needs to send your usage of the phone to their company to do whatever it promises to do. Yet many apps do. It's not so much about that it is possible, the problem is that it is allowed. It shouldn't be allowed, much of the data collection should simply be outlawed. But, since hardly anyone seems to care, I don't see that coming anytime soon. I've tried to find people interested in this, but not even on reddit /r/privacy/ this seems to be a major concern.
@the_toast
There's a difference between being responsible for the amount of privacy you have and the amount of personal information that has already been made available... long before people were even aware of the amount of personal information that was already gleaned from the Products and Services that you have been using for years. To some extent trying to reign in your personal information is like closing the barn door after the horse is long gone.
The guy who originally posted this Thread is focusing his "panic" on one device and THAT is naive and Grossly Misleading!
Whether it's FB (which I don't use) or signing up for a Loyalty card - Your personal information is everywhere! Using common sense going forward is the only rational approach, but standing on an imaginary mountain top and shouting to the world that one device is "spyware" is ridiculous and deserves to be called out ?
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Ahh, the time of the Internet where everyone knows who you are, what you're doing, what you're buying, what sites you browse, your fetishes, etc. Most importantly, here in the U.S., your IP now can sell your internet history to anyone they please, even that time you looked up 2 girls and a cup. Sorry, Charlie, your life is no longer a private one and never will be again.
MiMtnBiker said:
Ahh, the time of the Internet where everyone knows who you are, what you're doing, what you're buying, what sites you browse, your fetishes, etc. Most importantly, here in the U.S., your IP now can sell your internet history to anyone they please, even that time you looked up 2 girls and a cup. Sorry, Charlie, your life is no longer a private one and never will be again.
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And if you Travel into the USA... Did you know THIS?
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4494371#ampshare=http://www.cbc.ca/1.4494371
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@shaggyskunk True, the OP is alarmist and uninformed. I was just put off by many of the answers, which basically said "why do you use Internet then". With respect to your post about searching phones - we can easily make this a scare thread (and people would be scared for good reasons). Let me continue:
- apps that want to use your microphone without apparent reason (of course also the ones WITH a good reason to use the mic) can track you through high-pitched sounds you cannot hear, which are emitted e.g. by some retailers to track you through their store.
- You talk about 1 in 13.000 people arriving in the US getting their phone/laptop looked at and potentially copied? How about knowing for 1Bn people (1 in 7 on earth) who they talk with, when they talk with them, and in which location they are whenever their phone has internet. That's Whatsapp.
@MiMtnBiker Gnn that's exactly my problem, people just accept it and believe it's never going to change. I'm not happy they know what kind of porn I'm looking at, and even less happy that they could sell the information (although I don't live in the US). If it is that way, it CAN be fixed, you CAN prohibit selling this information. Or to collect it at all. It's definitely better to know the big 5 have all my information but won't have all future information about me than to know they can continue like this forever
@the_toast
Many of the answers - including "live in a box" - "stay off the internet" were in direct response to the careless & irresponsible comments by the OP - like = like?
Not only your phone has the potential to gain access to your personal information - But your Laptop camera - Your Smart TV (that is "listening") But this technology is something that most people appreciate and expect their tech to provide them with the functionality that they want - Being aware of the capabilities of your Tech is prudent - being paranoid & frightened by it is just sad.
The issues of Privacy are extensive and if someone decides to pull on that thread - it's going to be never ending.
Common sense & being informed is the most appropriate way to go ??
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@shaggyskunk True, the OP is alarmist and uninformed. I was just put off by many of the answers, which basically said "why do you use Internet then". With respect to your post about searching phones - we can easily make this a scare thread (and people would be scared for good reasons). Let me continue:
- apps that want to use your microphone without apparent reason (of course also the ones WITH a good reason to use the mic) can track you through high-pitched sounds you cannot hear, which are emitted e.g. by some retailers to track you through their store.
- You talk about 1 in 13.000 people arriving in the US getting their phone/laptop looked at and potentially copied? How about knowing for 1Bn people (1 in 7 on earth) who they talk with, when they talk with them, and in which location they are whenever their phone has internet. That's Whatsapp.
@MiMtnBiker Gnn that's exactly my problem, people just accept it and believe it's never going to change. I'm not happy they know what kind of porn I'm looking at, and even less happy that they could sell the information (although I don't live in the US). If it is that way, it CAN be fixed, you CAN prohibit selling this information. Or to collect it at all. It's definitely better to know the big 5 have all my information but won't have all future information about me than to know they can continue like this forever
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I'm afraid the only way you are going to change it is to completely get off the grid. Many people are oblivious to the fact that they are willingly giving up their personal information when they have their noses buried in their smartphones pert near all day. What's worse is that the politicians only seem to cater to the wealthy, and since they are salivating at the idea of getting their grubby hands on your info, this will continue. Unless there is a huge uprising and people assemble in protest of this, it will not stop. Heck, I don't even think it will stop, then. Nope, money is the reason as to why this won't change and, unfortunately, you have no say in the matter. Unless, that is, you do get completely off the grid.