Alright, here's the situation. I recently set up my own desktop for gaming and that takes care of all my other activities too. I have a laptop (13" MBP) that I am contemplating doing away with in favor of portability and quite frankly I don't need all that power as the desktop makes it redundant. This has me thinking about getting a tablet to replace the lappy. Ideally I want something in the 10" range, 7" being too small. I want my tablet to be able to connect pen drives, keyboards (in case I need to create a document or two).
Dont hate me for this, but I have narrowed my choice down to the N10, iPad 3rd Gen and the Surface RT. Now I have heard complaints about how the N10 is stutter'y'. And I am not sure how good an investment an RT tablet is going to be. I would have liked to get the Surface Pro, but I cannot justify that price.
I would really appreciate inputs for any user (especially those who have had or still have an ipad and the N10). Maenwhile, I am trying to go through all the threads and see if I can get some info.
TIA
- don t buy the RT - waste of time and money. ( limited in every way )
-nexus 10 its ok but if you can wait .... wait for something better with android ( the closest compare with a laptop - yet )
you can attach easy a mouse with just an otg cable ... or a bt keyboard ...
- ipad 3 its ok also but only if you can agree with IOS ... not good for a desktop replacement .
- you can still take consider a 8 inch tablet . it s not so small as you think . ( this is really portable )
see the compare topic in general nexus 10 forum - ask there better
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anirudh412 said:
Alright, here's the situation. I recently set up my own desktop for gaming and that takes care of all my other activities too. I have a laptop (13" MBP) that I am contemplating doing away with in favor of portability and quite frankly I don't need all that power as the desktop makes it redundant. This has me thinking about getting a tablet to replace the lappy. Ideally I want something in the 10" range, 7" being too small. I want my tablet to be able to connect pen drives, keyboards (in case I need to create a document or two).
Dont hate me for this, but I have narrowed my choice down to the N10, iPad 3rd Gen and the Surface RT. Now I have heard complaints about how the N10 is stutter'y'. And I am not sure how good an investment an RT tablet is going to be. I would have liked to get the Surface Pro, but I cannot justify that price.
I would really appreciate inputs for any user (especially those who have had or still have an ipad and the N10). Maenwhile, I am trying to go through all the threads and see if I can get some info.
TIA
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The n10 is a speed demon. It will be a while before apps are able to fully utilize the power that this SoC has. There really isn't any performance issues other than poorly optimized apps. If you do run into any problems as long as you are comfortable rooting and using custom ROM/Kernel combo then nothing is an issue.
Yeah, the RT seems to be a no go. Too bad, its a nice piece of kit (especially the touch cover).
From what I gather, the n10 seems to have its issues like choppiness and stutter because of
1. The insane number of pixels it needs to push and
2. Non optimized stock android
But yeah, an android tablet is my best bet for a laptop replacement.
For now, however, even though I am by no means averse to the entire idea of flashing roms (one reason why I never move away from android phones), i decided I needed something tried and tested. Got the 4th Gen iPad. I just hope google optimizes android on tablets, at least their own nexus line. It will also be fun to see what Apple does with their much anticipated iOS7.
Thanks for all your help guys :highfive:
Shame really because the Ipad won't connect to a BT mouse. Just a keyboard. The N10 isn't stuttery for what I am using it for - some apps may be, but there are always others.
Alan
Since I have a NX10 my laptop sits all the time alone in the corner. If needed, I just plug one receiver over OTG that is connect to mouse and keyboard plus a monitor over HDMI and voila, I dont need really a laptop anymore. Sitting all the day on the desktop at work makes using NX10 and home really relaxing...
My Nexus 10 doesn't have the choppiness or stuttering you keep referring to.
I'm on kaos rom with Franco kernel r10. Never had a better experience other than on KTmanta kernel.
If you know how to utilize an android tablet to its fullest you'll find that it replaces laptops better than ios or windows.
I have not used my laptop since the release of this tablet.
Any thread complaining about choppiness is more than likely due to using apps that aren't optimized for the Nexus 10. I tend to ignore threads that generalize the device since it ends up being user error due to them changing something or trying something new, etc.
Nexus 10 is still new and I'm sure there will be plenty of great improvements over the year.
Sent from my Nexus 10
The G Pad GPE is surely faster than the "LG one" (V500) but you would have to give up, among other things, Knock On, the IR Remote and full SDcard support and those are huge deal breakers for me.
LG's ROM is most certainly slower and laggier than stock Android but it's also way more feature complete (which is probably also *why* is slower...). Features that I do use, and besides the ones just mentioned, there are dozens of things like Quickmemo, the overlay apps (QSlide), the keyboard with the numbers row, the volume and brightness sliders and on and on...
All of these talks about "bloatware" (both for Samsung and for LG ROMs) really piss me off... this "bloatware" are SOFTWARE FEATURES which other ROMs generally LACK and which for the most part I do find useful (one above all, Samsung MultiWindow)!! (and most if not all of which you can uninstall/freeze/disable if you don't use it anyway!!)
It reminds me of iOS users who used to rave (they can't anymore since from iOS7 theirs has become a slower and laggier operating system, not to add far, far buggier!!) about the smoothness and fastness of their toy operating system while it was doing sweet F-all compared to Android (no real multitasking, no widgets, no powerful notification center, no live wallpapers and so on) !!
On older Samsung smartphones and tablets I have found that it's only the launcher to be sometimes "slow", not the overall ROM. For example, I use Nova Prime on my Note II (stock, rooted ROM) and I am very satisfied with its performance and with the SW features which are better done and more "coherent" than anything else out there for the Note II. Once you "complete" it with Xposed and the AppSettings and NFClockscreenoffEnabler modules it's the ultimate smartphone for the poweruser... (well, the second best after the Note 3 actually )
Anyway, I don't do stupid themes, live wallpapers, CPU intensive useless "esthetic" stuff, I don't even play games on my mobile devices but I am a poweruser who takes full advantage of the PC-like capabilities of Android devices (as a quick hint, I have 64GB cards in both my Note II and G Pad and they are full of the same most used files I use on my Windows 7 PC) and the G Pad, once setup with the apps and services I use IS S-L-O-W. Getting back to the home is slow and the tablet "freezes" for a couple of seconds before accepting any input, widgets take a while to load, rotation is slow etc
...or, is it?!?
Yesterday I finally had some time to spare (I have had my G Pad since less than a month and that has been a very busy month) and finally got around installing and properly setting up Nova Prime which I had been very happily using on my OG Note and got on my Note II since day 1 and the results on the G Pad are IMPRESSIVE! It solved most of my complaints about it being slow, it really feels like having a new tablet and it's now finally a pleasure to use! Everything I listed above is FASTER and even battery life seems to have improved (I need at least another couple of days to be sure it's not a placebo effect LOL).
In other words... DO IT! DO IT NOW!
You will get a much better, powerful and feature complete launcher to boot! I even like it a lot better looks-wise.
Hello all,
Because my N7 2012 is end of life and my Nexus 5 almost is, I'm looking for a replacement. Has anyone experience with the Pixel C and the DJI Go app, what's the performance?
I want to use it for my daily stuff and for the fpv on my DJI Phantom 3.
Thanks in advance.
I keep going on and off with this thing on ROM'ing it but one thing has sort of made me decide to jump yes if there is an android 10 ROM out there. I love using ps4 remote play in my house. Right now I use my pixel 2 but Id love to use a larger screen. With my pixel c dead I have either this or my nexus 9 (which prob couldnt handle remote play anyway) to try and run a rom to see if I can connect the dual shock to the tablet as well. Remote play will work on anything above 5 but in order to use your dual shock instead of touch controls (yuck) you need android 10.
Is there a 10 based ROM or is this tablet just too old to have it?
Anyone know if it would work? (what Im looking to do)
Thanks
I don't think so, we only have an unofficial, and apparently on development halt LOS 16. It would be nice if we had a recent official build, then it could be picked up automatically by the microG fork.
Meanwhile the little brother Galaxy Note 3 has been on proper LOS 16 development, and there is an unofficial LOS 17, and two other roms (crDroid and Havoc OS) based on that.
The Note 10.1 is a really good device, the last one with stylus, before the stylus was reintroduced. And it's still kicking!
Hey Everyone,
I recently purchased a brand new sealed 64GB Pixel C for $275. I have ALWAYS wanted one but never really needed a tablet until recently. My kindle crapped out, and I have been listening to some audiobooks and I wanted a way to combine the 2. I also plan on maybe watching some movies from my Plex server, some Netflix, and that's probably it...oh and some comics as well....
I had some general questions for those of you who have had a Pixel C for some time.
1. I know there are some screen issues, and I believe based on the serial (i'll confirm when it arrives in two days) mine seems to be made in 2016 sometime, and even though I am in the US, it's a EU version.... Do the problems seem to be on all C's or just a specific run of them?
2. If you were me, and only wanted a tablet for ebooks/audio books and of course some media, but no apps that are super intensive, would you just upgrade from the 6.0 to the 8.0 that's official (or 7.0 if it's good?) , or install a custom rom. If the latter, any recommendations from personal experience?
3. Since it's 2020 and this tablet is coming up on almost 5 years....do you feel I overpaid? This is a completely irrelevant question, I just REALLY REALLY wanted one, I hate Samsung and wanted something with as close to a pure google experience like my Pixel phone. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I have seen them selling used in good shape in the upper 100's range, and most are 32GB.....
4. Anything else I should know that I don't see jumping out at me in the forums that you would pass along to a new C owner?
Thanks everyone in advance!
Hank
Hank_Rearden said:
Hey Everyone,
I recently purchased a brand new sealed 64GB Pixel C for $275. I have ALWAYS wanted one but never really needed a tablet until recently. My kindle crapped out, and I have been listening to some audiobooks and I wanted a way to combine the 2. I also plan on maybe watching some movies from my Plex server, some Netflix, and that's probably it...oh and some comics as well....
I had some general questions for those of you who have had a Pixel C for some time.
1. I know there are some screen issues, and I believe based on the serial (i'll confirm when it arrives in two days) mine seems to be made in 2016 sometime, and even though I am in the US, it's a EU version.... Do the problems seem to be on all C's or just a specific run of them?
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I am not aware of better or worse serial numbers. I assume later is better? Mine has image retention / ghosting & a purple shift in white balance but I never got the half screen failure or other issues.
2. If you were me, and only wanted a tablet for ebooks/audio books and of course some media, but no apps that are super intensive, would you just upgrade from the 6.0 to the 8.0 that's official (or 7.0 if it's good?) , or install a custom rom. If the latter, any recommendations from personal experience?
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I recommend either Pixel Experience 10 or LineageOS 17 if you are at all comfortable with flashing. ROMs are little more work. But they offer the latest patches, some new features, some specific fixes for our aging hardware, and because you have to install TWRP first you have that safety net for when things go wrong. I also happen to really like Android 10 for what that's worth. You might have to use Magisk Hide to get some apps working, and you probably have to sideload Netflix from APKmirror but it should work just fine.
If you don't mind how it works out of the box, and you don't care for fiddling with it, and you aren't concerned with the screen lock bug, then stock is perfectly fine. Some people say 7 was better than 8 because of some video driver bug that broke a few Unity based games. I have zero idea if this was fixed in any of the ROMs.
3. Since it's 2020 and this tablet is coming up on almost 5 years....do you feel I overpaid? This is a completely irrelevant question, I just REALLY REALLY wanted one, I hate Samsung and wanted something with as close to a pure google experience like my Pixel phone. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I have seen them selling used in good shape in the upper 100's range, and most are 32GB.....
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I am considering selling my Galaxy Tab S6, even though it is nicer in so many ways, because I just disagree with so many Samsung UX decisions. So I continue to use the Pixel C and I hope you like yours. I am a little envious you found a good condition 64GB one! There are countless little touches where the Pixel C does what I expect and my Samsung devices do not. Using an USB audio device? Pixel C can use it for music and also to make VoIP calls. Believe it or not many Samsungs cannot route 'phone' type audio over USB. Music only! Using a mouse? Open Chrome, right-click on a link. Notice that beautiful options menu that pops up? Try the same thing on a Samsung and notice it is just Android back function. Back to the Pixel C, try to middle-click on a link and notice it opens in a new tab in the background. Just like on desktop Chrome! Then, try with a Samsung and notice middle-click is the same as Android home function. Samsung just decided to break mousing and I hate it. Even things like display scaling work well on the Pixel C and badly on Samsung devices. Want everything to be very small? That's easy to do, and basically everything scales (except the nav bar, but there is a fix for that). On my Samsungs some parts of the UI scale and other parts don't. You end with comically unmatched icons and other elements like the notification shade. I really thought DeX could fix these issues for me and it didn't, but that is a different story. I like Samsung features but by golly they suck at the basics IMO.
4. Anything else I should know that I don't see jumping out at me in the forums that you would pass along to a new C owner?
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Not everything in Google-land is good. The Pixel C was never trouble free and still isn't with even the best ROMs. 3GB of RAM was too little for a 'productivity device' in 2015 and obviously still isn't enough (your use-case should be fine however). The storage speed is slow, it is prone to occassional jank (probably combination slow storage & low RAM), and if the battery isn't perfectly healthy you will experience bad CPU throttling (this is fixed in ROMs and in my case was a night and day difference). You are already aware of the screen problems. The headphone jack quality is not good, and the bluetooth range for headsets is about 5 ft (I am not joking, it's astonishingly bad!). There used to be many WiFi reception complaints but I think it was fixed long ago. Reception is on the weak end however. The touch screen is sensitive to interference and you can get ghost touches when using a low quality charger (YMMV on that one, my hardware might be faulty). Last thing that comes to mind is that occassionally, and seemingly randomly, your lock screen PIN will just... stop working. If you are on stock software with a locked bootloader then all you can do is factory reset!! This alone is a great reason to go with ROMs.
Thanks everyone in advance!
Hank
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Good luck and welcome to the community!
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I am not aware of better or worse serial numbers. I assume later is better? Mine has image retention / ghosting & a purple shift in white balance but I never got the half screen failure or other issues.
I recommend either Pixel Experience 10 or LineageOS 17 if you are at all comfortable with flashing. ROMs are little more work. But they offer the latest patches, some new features, some specific fixes for our aging hardware, and because you have to install TWRP first you have that safety net for when things go wrong. I also happen to really like Android 10 for what that's worth. You might have to use Magisk Hide to get some apps working, and you probably have to sideload Netflix from APKmirror but it should work just fine.
If you don't mind how it works out of the box, and you don't care for fiddling with it, and you aren't concerned with the screen lock bug, then stock is perfectly fine. Some people say 7 was better than 8 because of some video driver bug that broke a few Unity based games. I have zero idea if this was fixed in any of the ROMs.
I am considering selling my Galaxy Tab S6, even though it is nicer in so many ways, because I just disagree with so many Samsung UX decisions. So I continue to use the Pixel C and I hope you like yours. I am a little envious you found a good condition 64GB one! There are countless little touches where the Pixel C does what I expect and my Samsung devices do not. Using an USB audio device? Pixel C can use it for music and also to make VoIP calls. Believe it or not many Samsungs cannot route 'phone' type audio over USB. Music only! Using a mouse? Open Chrome, right-click on a link. Notice that beautiful options menu that pops up? Try the same thing on a Samsung and notice it is just Android back function. Back to the Pixel C, try to middle-click on a link and notice it opens in a new tab in the background. Just like on desktop Chrome! Then, try with a Samsung and notice middle-click is the same as Android home function. Samsung just decided to break mousing and I hate it. Even things like display scaling work well on the Pixel C and badly on Samsung devices. Want everything to be very small? That's easy to do, and basically everything scales (except the nav bar, but there is a fix for that). On my Samsungs some parts of the UI scale and other parts don't. You end with comically unmatched icons and other elements like the notification shade. I really thought DeX could fix these issues for me and it didn't, but that is a different story. I like Samsung features but by golly they suck at the basics IMO.
Not everything in Google-land is good. The Pixel C was never trouble free and still isn't with even the best ROMs. 3GB of RAM was too little for a 'productivity device' in 2015 and obviously still isn't enough (your use-case should be fine however). The storage speed is slow, it is prone to occassional jank (probably combination slow storage & low RAM), and if the battery isn't perfectly healthy you will experience bad CPU throttling (this is fixed in ROMs and in my case was a night and day difference). You are already aware of the screen problems. The headphone jack quality is not good, and the bluetooth range for headsets is about 5 ft (I am not joking, it's astonishingly bad!). There used to be many WiFi reception complaints but I think it was fixed long ago. Reception is on the weak end however. The touch screen is sensitive to interference and you can get ghost touches when using a low quality charger (YMMV on that one, my hardware might be faulty). Last thing that comes to mind is that occassionally, and seemingly randomly, your lock screen PIN will just... stop working. If you are on stock software with a locked bootloader then all you can do is factory reset!! This alone is a great reason to go with ROMs.
Good luck and welcome to the community!
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Thank you so much for the detailed response. I am glad I am not the only one who feels that way about the Samsung tablets. I ALMOST bought an S4, then I ALMOST bought an S5E, but just don't like the way they do Android. I checked my tracking and the tablet comes today! So I think what I will do is just upgrade to the most recent official, leave the device lock off for now as I don't plan on going anywhere with the C, and see how it goes. I have dabbled in ROMS in the past for a lot of phones I have had through the years, so I assume this is not too far different as far as the process. The Lineage ROM seems to be a little better for the C from reading some of the known issues, but I will take a look at them after I assess the performance of the C. I really don't want to have the unit hit 70% then completely crap the bed on the performance side....
The Bluetooth range is sad to hear considering i JUST ordered the Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones. They will be here either Friday or Saturday. If i need to hear something beyond the range of it sitting close to me I'll just use my phone.
I'll report how things are going once I receive it, and thanks again for the detailed response. It has put me at ease!
Cheers
Hank
It came and was exactly as described. Did the update and now it's charging. Updated some apps and it's moving pretty well. We shall see what happens when I get more stuff loaded on there, but I will say it's better than I expected. Such beautiful hardware.....
1. I know there are some screen issues, and I believe based on the serial (i'll confirm when it arrives in two days) mine seems to be made in 2016 sometime, and even though I am in the US, it's a EU version.... Do the problems seem to be on all C's or just a specific run of them?
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I bought an used Pixel C with its keyboard and a pouch and its screen seems still fine. A Youtube video pointed the issue for its cable in the middle behind the screen panel being pressed so I thought keyboard&pouch may have prevented it.
2. If you were me, and only wanted a tablet for ebooks/audio books and of course some media, but no apps that are super intensive, would you just upgrade from the 6.0 to the 8.0 that's official (or 7.0 if it's good?) , or install a custom rom. If the latter, any recommendations from personal experience?
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Mine was on stock 8..1 and now is LineageOS 17 based on Android 10. Stock 8.1 seemed to work fine. I preferred some Android 10's swiping features such as swiping from left or right to go back and swiping up to go to homescreen or other running apps to buttons and black bottom bar previous versions. Netflix HD still works.
On the other hand, unlocking bootloader caused additional 30 seconds to boot with caution message and weird beep noise in boot sequence. As you might know, even when locked in setting, in recovery mode, someone could physically connect your device to another and steal files in the device. Some error messages with security warning pops up in notification so the rom might not fully support Android security features. (I have little knowledge on this.)
When its brightness set close to lowest level, screen seemed to be turned off or brightness seems a bit unstable. (Being able to set close to the mininum is still good.) BTW some of gamepad buttons mapped incorrectly (not sure it was due to LineageOS).
3. Since it's 2020 and this tablet is coming up on almost 5 years....do you feel I overpaid? This is a completely irrelevant question, I just REALLY REALLY wanted one, I hate Samsung and wanted something with as close to a pure google experience like my Pixel phone. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I have seen them selling used in good shape in the upper 100's range, and most are 32GB.....
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It's display ratio is better than 16:10 from other android tablets for e-books, pdf files, comics. Someone wrote its ratio fits for two pages side by side. Among Android tablets as far as I know, there are not many with 3:2 or 4:3. Nexus 9's screen could be great but it has only 2GB ram and other flaws. Xiaomi MiPad doesn't support Netflix HD. iPads would match the need but it seems you didn't want one. What I looked for was an Android tablet which is not Samsung or Huawei and supports Netflix HD. Of course, newer APs have advantages in power consumption, better game support, weight etc. Galaxy Tab S6 lite supports S-pen which is good for pdf notetaking. I tried to write in pdf files with Xodo PDF app and Bamboo Tip stylus and it wasn't so successful. Still, I like mine.
4. Anything else I should know that I don't see jumping out at me in the forums that you would pass along to a new C owner?
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Its PCB is on the left side so it gets hot when running intensive apps or charging. (The bottom of the display turned a bit yellowish. Because of keyboard attached?)
USB PD laptop chargers works but the left side feels hotter compared to charging with 5V 3A chargers.
With its keyboard is good to use on lap or as a stand but it would be pricey to buy a new one.