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[Q] Lagging

A few days ago i noticed some not so smooth scrolling when in my calls log. So i thought the phone had been on too long and did a reboot (which solved the scroll lag).
After the boot. I went into the menu and most of my apps had disappeared (i think mainly on my sd). After a minute or two they appeared (out of order and all on the last menu ) so im guessing it was the sd card (which is the standard class 2 i think which came with the phone) My sd has like 12gb free still. And i only have like 25 apps/games. Anybody noticed similar things? And would upgrading my sd to a higher class slove the prob?
I also noticed that when my phone is on standby and i open the game pad without unlocking the phone (takes 20 secs maybe to launch) then press the back or home button. The 4 quick links next to the menu icon have no icons just blank sqaures for a 10 seconds or so. The same if i open the menu a few icons are the blank ones then they appear. Is this the same for other people?
I never noticed this problem before. And its bugging me. The phone is not rooted, uses the standard wallpaper. And only i have google search on the main screen no widgets. Any suggestions? Im gonna try a reset but thought i would see if other people had any similar experiences. Any help/suggestions would be appreciated

What you are probably seeing here is Android's garbage collection system in place. Basically, when apps need memory, the OS will transparently kill apps that aren't in use without telling you. Generally, the user shouldn't really notice it... but things like your apps not all showing right away is normal when the home app is starting back up after having been killed previously. Things that are relatively resource intensive, such as the Playstation emulator built into the Xperia Play, will most likely cause all other apps that are non-essential to be killed.
I don't know if you've used other Android phones before, but it's pretty normal.

Yeah this is my first android phone . Suppose if its pretty normal i will get used to it in time. Maybe i will unroot the phone and remove all the crap and see if that makes it any better. Thanks for the reply btw

Mozza2k11 said:
Yeah this is my first android phone . Suppose if its pretty normal i will get used to it in time. Maybe i will unroot the phone and remove all the crap and see if that makes it any better. Thanks for the reply btw
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what launcher are you using? if you use launcher pro, there is a "system persistant option" this means it will not kill your launcher in the background, and the apps disapearing issue should not happen

AndroHero said:
what launcher are you using? if you use launcher pro, there is a "system persistant option" this means it will not kill your launcher in the background, and the apps disapearing issue should not happen
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Im just using the standard play UI. Thinking of trying Launcher Pro or GO Launcher EX. If i unlock my phone before opening the game pad the icons are there. Also if i give my phone 20-30 secs after rebooting my apps are where i left them. So i guess i need to have more patience lol

[Q] step by step instructions to delete All unnecessary files from rooted play

OK so my built in memory is always too loo and I'm really getting sick of it. could someone please tell me, with step by step instructions, which files I can remove from my play without crashing the phone. I know that's asking slot but it would greatly appreciate it. thanks in advance.

step 0, open the "safe list" thread at the top of this forum
step 1, download Titanium Backup
step 2, within the app, tap on which App you want to delete
step 3, tap on delete app
step 4, what model phone are you asking about?
step 5, personally I want to know if I can delete QC SEMC Service and preinstalledservice 1.0 on my phone
So far I've deleted
Anonymous Usage Stats
Backup Assistant
CrashMonitor 1.0
Digital clock 1.0
Gmail 2.3.2
MobileCare 6.1.0
My Verizon Mobile
News & Weather
OfficeSuite
StreetView
Skype by Verizon
Talk
Visual VM
VZ Navigator
I've also gone through and deleted, then downloaded from the Market so I can move them to my SD card, with a few Apps.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046699

I'm using an xperia play

jdz7t8 said:
I'm using an xperia play
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Indeed, but is it an R800i? a? x?
I believe they all have different bloatware preloaded.

jdz7t8 said:
OK so my built in memory is always too loo and I'm really getting sick of it. could someone please tell me, with step by step instructions, which files I can remove from my play without crashing the phone. I know that's asking slot but it would greatly appreciate it. thanks in advance.
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This isnt windows, having more free ram WILL NOT increase performance

oh wow I have no clue, I have the xperia play from Rogers in Canada

I think your wrong on that one. if what your saying was so why would people recommend you use advanced task killer when your phone slows down, or why would they recommend that you restart?

jdz7t8 said:
I think your wrong on that one. if what your saying was so why would people recommend you use advanced task killer when your phone slows down, or why would they recommend that you restart?
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Infact it's the oposite, people say you should use task killers as it interfears with androids native memory management, Android is a linux based os and thus "pools" memory, so although the memory may appear to be used, infact it's not, it is pooled waiting to be used by the os, this gives much quicker random access.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
"In Android, processes and Applications are two different things. An app can stay "running" in the background without any processes eating up your phone's resources. Android keeps the app in its memory so it launches more quickly and returns to its prior state. When your phone runs out of memory, Android will automatically start killing tasks on its own, starting with ones that you haven't used in awhile.
The problem is that Android uses RAM differently than, say, Windows. On Android, having your RAM nearly full is a good thing. It means that when you relaunch an app you've previously opened, the app launches quickly and returns to its previous state. So while Android actually uses RAM efficiently, most users see that their RAM is full and assume that's what's slowing down their phone. In reality, your CPU—which is only used by apps that are actually active—is almost always the bottleneck."

really, thanks for letting me know. but I do notice when I use advanced task killer games run smoother, though I find five minutes after I closed an app it automaticaly reopens.

there a lot more things showing up in titanium backup, anymore suggestions? Rogers xperia play Canada. my phone is starting up alot faster.

when I try to uninstall certain things it just hangs and says uninstalling but it never finishes. this happened with gmail and liveware manager.

jdz7t8 said:
really, thanks for letting me know. but I do notice when I use advanced task killer games run smoother, though I find five minutes after I closed an app it automaticaly reopens.
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No trouble just know that android has a memory threshold, it will let processes run until it reaches that threshold, then it will start killing background processes, you can remove/stop all the processes you want, but another app will just take over as the os wont stop it, the only way in reality to have more free ram is have no apps anyway you should search for an application called "mini free manager" this lets you edit the values of the native memory manager, you can set it to be more agressive, android will allow less background processes to run and thus free up more ram

I was bored so i went and found it for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630262
give it a try before you gut your phone trust me

are you sure it's mini free manager and not mini task manager, cause I can't find mini free manager anywhere.

how do you use task killer? like, to set it up? I heard it can put your phone into an automatic restart loop if you don't know what your doing.

U can go into ur text messaging settings and lower the amount of text messages thats phone keeps in thread to like 50 or less. That help me before I rooted to free up memory and stop phone from locking up
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jdz7t8 said:
when I try to uninstall certain things it just hangs and says uninstalling but it never finishes. this happened with gmail and liveware manager.
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Enable usb debugging under applications development settings before starting titanium backup app - this definitely solves hanging when freezing apps so suspect same for uninstalling

Problem
guys i have been deleting things as suggested here but now i notice when i slide out the gamepad the "moregames" option is no longer there, it only shows games currently installed on my phone. What have I done? How do I get it back?

Oh man, I thought it was because i never had the paid version, so i bought it -.-

Running apps without launch

Hello guys, ive juz got my iconia a few days ago.. its my first time using android. Its relatively new to me compared to apple. Ive notice that a few apps is running without me opening e application. is tis normal? ive tried to force close.. but after awhile it comes back up n running again?

What apps?
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burnout69 said:
Hello guys, ive juz got my iconia a few days ago.. its my first time using android. Its relatively new to me compared to apple. Ive notice that a few apps is running without me opening e application. is tis normal? ive tried to force close.. but after awhile it comes back up n running again?
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Generally speaking, yes, this is normal.
Those apps are put into standby and some apps run automatically like Systemupdater, Acer Sync etc... Other apps, like Photo Browser 3D, nemoPlayer, even Maps etc - will start but not in the sense of 'start' like we would think. They are ready states (as I understand them) and in some cases will stay ready or swap out when resources are getting light and the OS needs more headroom.
"By default, every application runs in its own Linux process. Android starts the process when any of the application's components need to be executed, then shuts down the process when it's no longer needed or when the system must recover memory for other applications."
So even if you don't launch and application manually, it could easy start up on it own if a component of it was executed (on some level).
It is not recommended to force-close applications unless the application is causing problems - in which case, uninstalling it is the better option.

gammaRascal said:
Generally speaking, yes, this is normal.
Those apps are put into standby and some apps run automatically like Systemupdater, Acer Sync etc... Other apps, like Photo Browser 3D, nemoPlayer, even Maps etc - will start but not in the sense of 'start' like we would think. They are ready states (as I understand them) and in some cases will stay ready or swap out when resources are getting light and the OS needs more headroom.
"By default, every application runs in its own Linux process. Android starts the process when any of the application's components need to be executed, then shuts down the process when it's no longer needed or when the system must recover memory for other applications."
So even if you don't launch and application manually, it could easy start up on it own if a component of it was executed (on some level).
It is not recommended to force-close applications unless the application is causing problems - in which case, uninstalling it is the better option.
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yes those r the apps that has been running.. tried closing them by using android task manager.. for a moment it will juz start again..by uninstalling them, wats the risks of running my other apps? will it caused any problems?

burnout69 said:
yes those r the apps that has been running.. tried closing them by using android task manager.. for a moment it will juz start again..by uninstalling them, wats the risks of running my other apps? will it caused any problems?
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I (though others would say the opposite) do not recommend uninstalling anything that came preloaded with the tablet. Both for stability reasons and future updates - if however you're really REALLY obsessing over getting back a dozen megabytes of allocated memory from those minor apps then you're going to have to go the whole long road down root avenue and backing up those applications etc ad nauseam. You can get all the info you need throughout the forum.
My advice is, don't worry about those native apps running in the background - if the OS needs more resources it will manage them on it's own. It's not like Windows where you can kill running programs or processes willy-nilly from the task manager when you want to free up memory - in Android, the OS does this as it sees fit, on its own. If it wants more juice, it will make more juice available to itself.

I had the same issues.. a quick fix i ran was to root my tablet and install "bloat freezer" from the market.
it simply stops the processes from running, so your not un-installing them just stopping them from running, Im now seeing my free ram running at appx 65% free at any time which is much better than before.
If i do want to use skype or whatever i simply unfreeze them and freeze them again when finished..
hope this helps..
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just to let you know i have frozen all of the acer bundled apps

Freezing apps is an option. I don't do that so I have no experienced opinion as far as that goes.

i agree with gamma
These apps are not really running. They are connected to context menues.like when younare in camera app and you click the share image menus.you will see the apps that can share the image such at Facebook Picasso dropbox and so on.these are the apps setting in static mode.I know in nor totally correct but its the closes I can do to describe.if your statement needs the memory or CPU cycles these apps might be using it will shut them down..I have tested this theory by launching many apps and logging processes.
task killers running in the background work against the built in memory and resources management's.
Good luck.if im wrong anyone please correct the post.just do so nicely
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yyiinn said:
I had the same issues.. a quick fix i ran was to root my tablet and install "bloat freezer" from the market.
it simply stops the processes from running, so your not un-installing them just stopping them from running, Im now seeing my free ram running at appx 65% free at any time which is much better than before.
If i do want to use skype or whatever i simply unfreeze them and freeze them again when finished..
hope this helps..
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just to let you know i have frozen all of the acer bundled apps
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That does freeze those apps.but if the system needed that ram it would do the same.it gives foreground ape priority.if that or those apps need the resources.the system will kill the lowest priority apps.
Of course thee are some rogue apps that do not play fair.if you find them then uninstall.I use advanced task killer.but never let it run in background.just can launch it lookat what's running. Then close it it will not restart itself

I understand the memory management. But i would rather applications especially skype to run when i want and not as the system see's fit. Social jogger was another culprit they were my biggest bug bears..

yyiinn said:
I understand the memory management. But i would rather applications especially skype to run when i want and not as the system see's fit. Social jogger was another culprit they were my biggest bug bears..
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You can freeze those apps with titanium backup.just remember to unfreeze before you do OTA. update

yyiinn said:
I understand the memory management. But i would rather applications especially skype to run when i want and not as the system see's fit. Social jogger was another culprit they were my biggest bug bears..
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Those apps are not running. The may be started at boot but only partially, then they are "paused" and cached for quicker loading if needed.
Android does an awesome job at memory management and will kill apps when it needs more ram.
I dont like it either since i dont use social jogger, nemo player, acer sync and many more so you have two options
If you are rooted flash a rom without all that crap in it.
Or
Use a file manager with root access and file manipulation like 'rootexplorer' and rename those files so they wont run.
I rename them to socialjogger.apk.bak
Just adding the .bak to the filename is enough.
But dont piss around you can smoke the tablet and have to do a factory reset via recovery if you mess with the wrong file.
Just post a list of thing you wish to remove and we will be happy to let you know whats ok or not.
Oh and btw... the ipad runs a crap ton of stuff in the bckground too, apple jst desnt show you like android does.
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[Q] Suspended or Closed?

Hi,
I likes to use Weather and twitter,FB apps of Win8.But hot to close them after opening them?I have to go to Task manager to kill them.
When i go to task manager there was Suspended written in left side of Application name.
What does it indicate?
What is difference between Suspend & Killing??
Sorry for Bad English

My basic understanding is that it is sort of like a mobile OS (Android, iOS...). Suspended apps are kept in RAM for quick resume but not actively processed. They can also be cleared from memory automatically as soon as it is needed for something else. In theory, you shouldn't have to worry about it, just let it do it's own thing. In practice, task manager is there if something goes wrong.

Correct, Supended apps are held in memory, but they do not use any processor nor do they have any effect on battery life. Very effecient way of multitasking like Windows Phone 7.5.

someone tweeted about it to Sam Moreau in channel9.
and he explained people have to stop thinking about "closing" an app and have to close apps to get your computer work fast. of course they have to tweak it.
and difference with killing, its apps are suspended so they eat some memory but its not like it will kill your memory.
with all apps suspended and all, still I use like 10-15% less memory than windows 7. which is amazing

This is not completely true. Several days ago, I was playing with Windows 8 and I have noticed that it got significantly slower. So I opened a task manager and weather app was using 60% of the CPU. In background. I am not sure, what was doing but I guess that it was drawing weather animation?
Also another drawback is that you cannot control what is in "app switching menu". You just have to keep sliding apps to the right and hope that you find one you are looking for. Apps you don't need don't close and apps you do need might suspend/close.

matejdro said:
This is not completely true. Several days ago, I was playing with Windows 8 and I have noticed that it got significantly slower. So I opened a task manager and weather app was using 60% of the CPU. In background. I am not sure, what was doing but I guess that it was drawing weather animation?
Also another drawback is that you cannot control what is in "app switching menu". You just have to keep sliding apps to the right and hope that you find one you are looking for. Apps you don't need don't close and apps you do need might suspend/close.
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But its because its Dev Preview. and remember these apps are just place holders to have something to show in windows 8. its not like they will be there in the end, since they aren't optimized for example.
so the point is... you will not have to close the app. but since its a dev preview it will have problems. sometimes i cant even type here in IE desktop because it gets slow i guess for the spellchecker. and it wont stay that way in the end, they are fixing all this stuff, adding new features and making awesome apps for stuff like photos, people, messenger hub. stuff like that. but these apps you see like [email protected] and weather are just placeholders.
also developers have to optimize everything for their apps.
and the apps switching is for tablets, the swipe thing. you only click on the left of your screen and it goes to next app. if you pause a second and click again you will go back to your last app. also you can use scroll wheel. and alt+tab and win+tab. and ctrl+win+tab, ctrl+alt+tab.
so you don't have to think these apps you got in dev preview are going to be in RTM or beta. and apps will not be optimized to run nicely (like they do in WP7).
this OS needs work and it will have alot of bugs.

RAM manager - clear memory??

Once in a while if I notice a slight lag, I bring up the task manager (bottom left when accessing recent apps), go to the "RAM" tab and tap clear memory. What's really confusing me is that it always closes a very high number of apps, even if it's only been a day since I've last cleared it. i.e. I just cleared it and it said "27 apps closed"! There have been times where it was even more...once it was almost 40.
I use the phone a lot, but it's always the same handful of apps... at most, even in a given week I don't exceed using about 6-10 different apps.
So can someone please explain to me what the hell are all these dozens of "apps" being closed? ??? I assume they're including system apps in with the regular apps, but what apps could they be? That's around 20 apps I had no idea were even running...

siciliano777 said:
Once in a while if I notice a slight lag, I bring up the task manager (bottom left when accessing recent apps), go to the "RAM" tab and tap clear memory. What's really confusing me is that it always closes a very high number of apps, even if it's only been a day since I've last cleared it. i.e. I just cleared it and it said "27 apps closed"! There have been times where it was even more...once it was almost 40.
I use the phone a lot, but it's always the same handful of apps... at most, even in a given week I don't exceed using about 6-10 different apps.
So can someone please explain to me what the hell are all these dozens of "apps" being closed? ??? I assume they're including system apps in with the regular apps, but what apps could they be? That's around 20 apps I had no idea were even running...
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They're system apps, if you're rooted you could install an app like Clean Master and take a look at which system apps are running.