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I had my lg g3 for couple of days now and here are some facts:
Very slow and sluggish Im coming from an iphone 5 and it were 2 time faster no joke.. I Bought lg g3 thinking its a powerfull device but its not, its not optimazed well and the screen is an overkill. I bought it because i had lg optimus g before which were again a lot quicker than my current phone.
other than that lg g3 is pretty good, excellent camera. Decent battery live but I will be sending it back, any suggestions on what phone i should get?

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devo396 said:
I had my lg g3 for couple of days now and here are some facts:
Very slow and sluggish Im coming from an iphone 5 and it were 2 time faster no joke.. I Bought lg g3 thinking its a powerfull device but its not, its not optimazed well and the screen is an overkill. I bought it because i had lg optimus g before which were again a lot quicker than my current phone.
other than that lg g3 is pretty good, excellent camera. Decent battery live but I will be sending it back, any suggestions on what phone i should get?
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I haven't had any issues with the phone being sluggish or running slow. Even before I rooted it, the phone ran smooth.

devo396 said:
I had my lg g3 for couple of days now and here are some facts:
Very slow and sluggish Im coming from an iphone 5 and it were 2 time faster no joke.. I Bought lg g3 thinking its a powerfull device but its not, its not optimazed well and the screen is an overkill. I bought it because i had lg optimus g before which were again a lot quicker than my current phone.
other than that lg g3 is pretty good, excellent camera. Decent battery live but I will be sending it back, any suggestions on what phone i should get?
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I agree it is slow and sluggish, however being someone who will be installing new roms as they become available, I am willing to wait because I know good things are still to come.
I had a Galaxy S3 and even that wasn't a very pleasant experience, however with the correct Rom and custom kernel I couldn't find anything bad about it anymore other than the hardware limitations.
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Try root and freeze some unwanted apps should help make it a bit smoother. Also changing to art. If its mega slow could be faulty. I do agree the the ui needs better optimisation. Its the only issue this device has but its only just released give it time and they maybe fixes and even new version of android around the corner

They made the screen good without rising the price and now it's an overkill for some people lmao nothing is ever good enough for some people

devo396 said:
I had my lg g3 for couple of days now and here are some facts:
Very slow and sluggish Im coming from an iphone 5 and it were 2 time faster no joke.. I Bought lg g3 thinking its a powerfull device but its not, its not optimazed well and the screen is an overkill. I bought it because i had lg optimus g before which were again a lot quicker than my current phone.
other than that lg g3 is pretty good, excellent camera. Decent battery live but I will be sending it back, any suggestions on what phone i should get?
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Nice 1st post!

devo396 said:
I had my lg g3 for couple of days now and here are some facts:
Very slow and sluggish Im coming from an iphone 5 and it were 2 time faster no joke.. I Bought lg g3 thinking its a powerfull device but its not, its not optimazed well and the screen is an overkill. I bought it because i had lg optimus g before which were again a lot quicker than my current phone.
other than that lg g3 is pretty good, excellent camera. Decent battery live but I will be sending it back, any suggestions on what phone i should get?
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Get another iPhone?

BioVolt said:
I agree it is slow and sluggish, however being someone who will be installing new roms as they become available, I am willing to wait because I know good things are still to come.
I had a Galaxy S3 and even that wasn't a very pleasant experience, however with the correct Rom and custom kernel I couldn't find anything bad about it anymore other than the hardware limitations.
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Roms and kernels won't help,maybe a little but the phone struggles to power the QHD screen. LG went too early and with an underpowered system on chip (for QHD). Sad, but that's it .
PS, The M8 is blindingly fast and smooth so if thats what you're looking for get that.

optimusv45 said:
They made the screen good without rising the price and now it's an overkill for some people lmao nothing is ever good enough for some people
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Its an overkill because the screen is clearly affecting performance of the phone. It looks like the phone cant handle a screen with massive resolution. I dont know about you but I would rather have a phone with a full hd display rather than quad hd if it performs like a 2014 flagship rather than 2012 flagship. No joke, lg g3 is as quick as an iphone 4s i use at work. Maybe it will get a bit better with updates, will see.

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Get another iPhone?
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I dont want an iphone. Iphones are really good phones, excellent build quality, really good performance and good warranty service but they are limited. I would say that iphones are perfect for an average user..

bobsie41 said:
Get another iPhone?
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Is the iPhone 6 out already since he already had the latest and greatest Apple Engineers could produce. I had this phone since Friday and noted no slowness. When root is available I plan to debloat the phone. You can try a different launcher like Nova or my favorite now Holo. There are some setting in developer mode that can speed up like turning off the Animation setting or switching to ,5X

Sadly I'm thinking the 801 was a poor choice with that monster screen hopefully some patches can improve it
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Batfink33 said:
Roms and kernels won't help,maybe a little but the phone struggles to power the QHD screen. LG went too early and with an underpowered system on chip (for QHD). Sad, but that's it .
PS, The M8 is blindingly fast and smooth so if thats what you're looking for get that.
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Roms and kernels won't help ? Lol funny claims sounds like you are better off with another phone. Elaborate on this struggle ? Under power ? The snapdragon in it is the best on the market.
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devo396 said:
Its an overkill because the screen is clearly affecting performance of the phone. It looks like the phone cant handle a screen with massive resolution. I dont know about you but I would rather have a phone with a full hd display rather than quad hd if it performs like a 2014 flagship rather than 2012 flagship. No joke, lg g3 is as quick as an iphone 4s i use at work. Maybe it will get a bit better with updates, will see.
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It LOOKS like it can't handle ? Because it looks good and you feel like it can't handle ? Yeah maybe iphones are better choices for you then since this comparison seems so clear to you
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devo396 said:
I dont want an iphone. Iphones are really good phones, excellent build quality, really good performance and good warranty service but they are limited. I would say that iphones are perfect for an average user..
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Yeah they spend years making the same phone, it better be somewhat good

devo396 said:
I had my lg g3 for couple of days now and here are some facts:
Very slow and sluggish Im coming from an iphone 5 and it were 2 time faster no joke.. I Bought lg g3 thinking its a powerfull device but its not, its not optimazed well and the screen is an overkill. I bought it because i had lg optimus g before which were again a lot quicker than my current phone.
other than that lg g3 is pretty good, excellent camera. Decent battery live but I will be sending it back, any suggestions on what phone i should get?
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Go back to your iphone. Sounds like its all you can handle.

Another thing to remember is this phone is cheaper than S5 and Note 3 despite being better ( only to some of course and only iphone 4s good for some other $570 no contract att version. It just came out, already has root and from the look of things bootloader is almost unlocked too (att version).

Batfink33 said:
Roms and kernels won't help,maybe a little but the phone struggles to power the QHD screen. LG went too early and with an underpowered system on chip (for QHD). Sad, but that's it .
PS, The M8 is blindingly fast and smooth so if thats what you're looking for get that.
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This is such a misguided statement. The LG G3 in no way struggles to power the QHD display nor does it struggle to power the Optimus overlay. Now, it would struggle to meet the same level of gaming performance when compared to a Snapdragon 800/1080p display.
But saying that it's struggling to push simple pixels on the screen is simply ignorant and starting to fall into circle jerk territory.

Thanks for sharing, I'm glad you feel important enough to go around the impressions thread and make your own thread on the G3 forum. go back to iphone, seems better suited for you. I experience none of what youre experiencing.

Mine runs buttery smooth all the time... The screen isnt affecting performance. I'd say any slowdowns are due to LG's software.

Enddo said:
This is such a misguided statement. The LG G3 in no way struggles to power the QHD display nor does it struggle to power the Optimus overlay. Now, it would struggle to meet the same level of gaming performance when compared to a Snapdragon 800/1080p display.
But saying that it's struggling to push simple pixels on the screen is simply ignorant and starting to fall into circle jerk territory.
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For a start it's using up 600mb of Ram for video much more than an HD screen, leaving only around 300-400 for apps. It's using more resources to produce the extra pixels leaving less for multitasking etc. You can see the dropped frames during animation transitions and feel the heat from it as it's working harder. I loved the phones design but I really couldn't take the lag,stutter and throttling after 2mins of use so that's why I returned it,it's really no big deal, if you like it then stick with it. I might try and get an S805 version when it's released.

Are you, LG G2 owners, upgrading to the LG G4?

Hello XDA.
This is a thing that has puzzled me a bit, so first I'll present my own point of view and then I'd really like to hear what you guys think.
You can see pictures of the G4 here http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-G4-leaks-in-all-of-its-glory_id68166
My G2 has served me really well, and honestly it doesn't have to be replaced. It's still very fast and gets the job done. However, after 1 ½ year it gets old - it has never been the most interesting phone design-wise and with the new phones having a much more attractive design you get tempted. Add to that, that the battery isn't what it used to be either. What made me buy it back then, was it's absolutely fantastic internals at an affordable price. And I don't regret purchasing it.
The LG G4 looks great - especially in leather - and the fact that it has MicroSD support and a removable battery means that I won't run short of storage (especially when flashing and keeping backups on the phone) and wiping internal storage is no longer a headache. The camera is supposed to be brilliant, but we'll have to see how it works out in real life. The screen looks promising - rumors say it's using 'Quantum Dot' display which results in better color accuracy and is more battery efficient. All good so far!
But according to the latest rumors, this thing comes with a Snapdragon 808. And mildly put, it doesn't look too well. Sure LG didn't have many options - either go with the overheating 810 or put in a worse 808. Not only is the 808 worse than the 810, it's also worse than the 805 in terms of GPU capabilities and power. It's not much but last year most people considered a Snapdragon 805 the absolute minimum requirement for a phone with a QHD display. We all saw how the LG G3 performed with its QHD display - it wasn't bad, but by no means impressive.
I think that LG should've sticked to the 810 and disable two of the four A57 cores on a kernel level. I'm sure a 4+2 setup is plenty processing power, but the Adreno 430 GPU outperforms the Adreno 418 (found in the Snapdragon 808) by a huge margin. In addition to that, Snapdragon 810 supports DDR4 RAM.
I'm torn, and thinking to wait for the Samsung Note 5 and hope it won't come with a UHD display. What are your thoughts?

The Lg g2 had been my best ✆ for three years. It was gorgeous, it was very fast, it lasted all day.
I wasn't impressed with the G3 but I think the G4 has my name written on it. They've had some time to play with the configuration, I'm sure it will be excellent.
They're going to have to crank up the design next year though. Just saying.
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I don't think I'll buy a G4, but I'm pretty sure that my G2 will dress the G4 rom...
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eh i will skip G4 becouse i bought my G2 one year ago and i still need to stay with it for 12 months, but i will probably buy G5 or other 2016 flagship phone

As lg phones are locked down, I'm not gonna buy it. The g2 is great and is still the greatest phone they made. But as a flashaholic and someone who likes modding their phone, an unlocked bootloader is very important to me. I only bought the g2 because it was such great value. It turned out to be such a powerful and fun little beast though with a great community as well. It was lightening in a bottle. But my criteria is a bit more strict now. I'll be sticking with the 1+ for a while

No need. I see no advantage to upgrading because my G2 can do everything I need it to. When I get another phone it'll be a nexus or the Asus Zenphone 2, whichever has the larger community.
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siggey said:
I don't think I'll buy a G4, but I'm pretty sure that my G2 will dress the G4 rom...
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Either this or I just may break down and grab a Note 5 or S6 Edge after they iron the initial kinks out.
We'll see... G3 is a good phone and would rank higher if the G2 didn't exist but wasn't great enough to make me sell My G2.
With that said...let the games begin

I don't think I'll buy a G4, but I'm pretty sure that my G2 will dress the G4 rom...so do I·

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With the G2 being a beast phone there's really not enough to convince me why I should upgrade to the G4 besides the Camera, Removable Battery and Expandable Storage. I live perfectly fine without a Removable Battery and Expandable Storage and the G2 has 32GB of Internal Memory and a 3000mAh battery.. so why bother? There's more chance of me getting a 1+ if I was going to upgrade. I have yet to experience a world with an unlocked bootloader.
Yay for capitalism!
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siggey said:
I don't think I'll buy a G4, but I'm pretty sure that my G2 will dress the G4 rom...
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This will more than likely happen.

G2 is great with me, but looking for better camera with G4.
FullHD is enough, 2k is not really necessary. More important thing is the battery life - which many people said that 2k display on G3 made the battery worse.

I think like the OP. I have a vs980 but I'm seriously thinking about jumping to T-Mobile. I thought I read last year that LG was going to allow unlocked bootloaders going forward with the G3. Given the fact that the G4 has a Snapdragon processor, an external SD card slot and removable batteries I'm thinking there is a lot of potential for a large dev community (especially since the S6 doesn't offer these things). We'll see.

No. I went back to the g2 from the g3 because I didn't like the size. I would get a g4 mini iff it was 5-5.2 and had a high end processor. As it stands now, the s6 and s6 edge look like more suitable replacements

I'm tired of drama
I'm not going to use LG anymore, LG does not satisfy me.

Having owned a few Android devices, I am getting a feeling that the best way to get android experience is to buy a Nexus device. The hardware and the price are only a part of the equation, although we know Nexus devices normally have a great price-performance relation. What makes Nexus so cool is having less pre-installed bloat or custumizations and it's pretty much guaranteed that for the next three years or so you will be the first in the line to get the android updates. Case in point is the stock ROM situation with the current G2. It gives you a glimpse of what it will be like to use the G4 18 months from now. Even though Lollipop 5.1 has come and gone, and the Nexus devices are now running the latest revision of Android 6.0.x, the G2 is still on 5.0.x. Another great example is my Samsung Galaxy Tab S tablet that I bought only a year ago. (This was Samsung's flagship tablet in 2014). Same story here. Still using 5.0, and I imagine Marshmallow is something like six months away and it will be the final update from Samsung. On the other hand, the ancient Nexus 7 is still getting Marshmallow updates.

Thinking about buying the 6GB version.

Hello all.
I got the LG v20 but my wife really wants a new phone.
Should I get the 6gb version for myself or should I get her the 4gb version.
In terms of camera and UI speed. How do you think all compare? Meaning the v20 and both axon phones.
Any other aspects I should be thinking about?
Thank you.

I think the LG V20 is a superior phone to the A2017, but that's normal, it's a phone double the price of the Axon. If you already have that, I don't see a real reason for buying an axon 7. If I were you I'd keep the LG V20 for yourself and ask her what she would use her new phone for. Unless she's someone who really needs the best of the best, loves tinkering with phones and needs all the newest features, I doubt she would be disappointed by, let's say, a nexus 5X...
The Axon camera is no good, really. Much worse than my previous N5X. I doubt the 2GB RAM difference between the two axon versions is noticeable. ATM there's not much use for the Force Touch feature of the most expensive model, as well...

borisb said:
Hello all.
I got the LG v20 but my wife really wants a new phone.
Should I get the 6gb version for myself or should I get her the 4gb version.
In terms of camera and UI speed. How do you think all compare? Meaning the v20 and both axon phones.
Any other aspects I should be thinking about?
Thank you.
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First question is your location. If you are in the USA then the Axon 7 is the way to go. The Chinese and European models seem to have more bugs and less frequent updates. As far as the 4gb or 6gb versions I would have to say the 4gb wins. 99 percent of smartphone users have no use for the extra ram and the other bells and whistles you get with the 6gb version doesn't justify the price increase.

Gotcha .... thank you

The Axon 7 can't compare to the V20, they're not in the same league. You get what you pay for, at least until OnePlus get their act together. The camera specifically is by far the weakest point of the A7. As far as flagship level phones go the camera on the A7 might actually be the worst one around. In anything but straight up brightly lit areas the camera produces garbage. It's utterly useless in low light, forget ever taking a photo at night with it. I'm not sure if the sensor is actually that horrible, or if ZTE's trash tier software is the main culprit.

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The Axon 7 can't compare to the V20, they're not in the same league. You get what you pay for, at least until OnePlus get their act together. The camera specifically is by far the weakest point of the A7. As far as flagship level phones go the camera on the A7 might actually be the worst one around. In anything but straight up brightly lit areas the camera produces garbage. It's utterly useless in low light, forget ever taking a photo at night with it. I'm not sure if the sensor is actually that horrible, or if ZTE's trash tier software is the main culprit.
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Yeah you are right. Spend way too much on a phone. Sure beats spending half that on a phone, 150 on a decent camera, and still having 200 or more play with in your wallet. If you hate the axon 7 so much why are you in axon 7 forums?

tabletalker7 said:
Yeah you are right. Spend way too much on a phone. Sure beats spending half that on a phone, 150 on a decent camera, and still having 200 or more play with in your wallet. If you hate the axon 7 so much why are you in axon 7 forums?
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He already owns the V20, no one is telling him to go out there and buy another one. Just because I own the device doesn't mean I'm going to pretend it's magic and sell false ideas to those asking questions. The camera is flat out the worst of anything out there targeting the flagship level overall.
You people who get angry and defensive over any non-endearing words towards your mega corporation built devices are something else.

First of all, you don't need 6gb ram. I would wait until next gen that uses 830 snapdragon processors, maybe even next after that. Right now it probably only drains more battery.
I only own an axon7 4gb(for less than a week). V20 was my second choice but decided to go with axon 7. The following might be a little biased.
Screen - Axon 7 has better screen. Lg v20 still uses LCD which will have more issues with to much light. You won't find a better screen on any phone within $400. v20 has a bigger screen but that might be an issue for some people
Camera - Axon 7 has a terrible camera. It's not that bad tough. It only suffers in low light scenarios (night time). During day and with manual mode the camera can take decent photos, as well as other phones. It also have problems with focus. A software update might fix all the issue tough. The best camera out there, I think it's on samsung galaxy phones and iphone 7.
Battery - LG has removable battery which was the main reason I considered LG v20. Axon 7 battery is better tough (almost last twice as long according to reviews)
Performance - they should be equal. Lg v20 has 135k score on antutu benchmark. Average axon7 should be on 135k ish as well. On my Chinese axon 7 I got 142k .
Durability - LG v20 is better, but axon 7 is no joke as well. The quality is at least as good as other flagships, if not better
Audio - Both lg v20 and axon7 have the best audio on market. Lg v20 might be better with headphones while axon7 is better with speakers.
As you can't see lg v20 isn't much better even tough double the price. No matter what flagship you buy, there aren't that much differences and there are always compromises.
I chose axon7 because I don't take picture to often and it can still take average-good pictures if i want to.
Something significantly better than both of them would be iphone7 and that is about it.
Something interesting, but not necessarily better is "Xiaomi Mi Mix Mobile Phone Snapdragon 821 6GB RAM 256GB ROM 6.4"Full Screen 2040x1080P FHD Ceramics 4400mAh Battery"
Hmm Ceramic. But was to outside of my price range. Nearly 1k euro.

Should I get the v20?

I am currently using a sprint LG G4 which unfortunately I can't root because of the revision that came preloaded on the warranty replacement of my original that had some sort of bootloop defect that I guess never got a recall. But that's a story best left for another time. Suffice to say that since getting the replacement I have not been completely happy with the G4 any more and get increasingly frustrated with it. Should I replace it with a V20 (price $552 [24 monthly payments of $23)? I mainly play games like simpsons tapped out, avenger's academy, and a few similar games. The rest is your typical productivity use and web browsing. Thanks for any feedback.

so no interest for music whatsover?
in that case, I would say no, you should choose a different phone, depending on your budget, say a samsung s8 if your budget doesn't have a roof, or a g6 if you like Lg... or anything of the kind.
the v20 is a mean beast, I love it, but if you don't care for its hifi dac capabilities, why bother?? you get a sd820 SoC, which is the same you had on the Lg G5... If gaming and browsing is all you do, pick something else.
s8 if you want a sleek device with top tier features, or g6 which you could probably have for the same 550 usd you're willing to spend on the v20. g6's screen is technically improved (ratio is different, so that's something you need to consider), soc is slightly better and more efficient, looks better, better grip, no camera bump.
otherwise if the lack of b20 isn't an issue... mi6 its performance/price ratio is awesome!
bottom line: I'm into music, a lot, and I enjoy the big screen for netflix 1080p, so that's why I love my v20, it was the only possible choice I had. if you don't care about music, I think you'd be better off with some other device

You shouldn't get LG V20 because i don't think LG care about LG V20s software update anymore. So please don't get it. All the other phones are getting Android 7.1.2 we are still stuck in 7.0 .

@StoneRyno
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1335245-REG/lg_black_g6_32gb_smartphone.html
lg 6(carrier unlocked gsm cdma) plus watch 600
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used v20 starting from 250
I paid 400 for my v20 bran new back on december I wouldn't pay 552 now

like my v20.
removable battery
fast. no lag.
good battery.
great camera
second screen rocks
I chose this over G6
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iemwatiem said:
You shouldn't get LG V20 because i don't think LG care about LG V20s software update anymore. So please don't get it. All the other phones are getting Android 7.1.2 we are still stuck in 7.0 .
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ehm... just so you know, LG never cared about x.x1 and x.1 updates, so no, 99% we won't see 7.1.2 coming to our phones. but they usually grant 2 major updates, so android O and P should be the ones to keep an eye out for.

The V20 is a great phone and I do not regret picking this phone once the N7 debacle happened. That being said, if music is not a big focus for you, then the world is your oyster. My apprehension for you getting the v20 now is the cost ($23 for 24mos) and the standstill of development. There is not a lot of development for any LG device, but being this is becoming an "older" device, we will start seeing Devs dropping off to work on new projects for new devices. If you want LG, the G6 is a great phone and is $10 less a month on Sprint. Otherwise, the S8 is a hell of a phone for about the same price as the G6.

buongu said:
so no interest for music whatsover?
in that case, I would say no, you should choose a different phone, depending on your budget, say a samsung s8 if your budget doesn't have a roof, or a g6 if you like Lg... or anything of the kind.
the v20 is a mean beast, I love it, but if you don't care for its hifi dac capabilities, why bother?? you get a sd820 SoC, which is the same you had on the Lg G5... If gaming and browsing is all you do, pick something else.
s8 if you want a sleek device with top tier features, or g6 which you could probably have for the same 550 usd you're willing to spend on the v20. g6's screen is technically improved (ratio is different, so that's something you need to consider), soc is slightly better and more efficient, looks better, better grip, no camera bump.
otherwise if the lack of b20 isn't an issue... mi6 its performance/price ratio is awesome!
bottom line: I'm into music, a lot, and I enjoy the big screen for netflix 1080p, so that's why I love my v20, it was the only possible choice I had. if you don't care about music, I think you'd be better off with some other device
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Yes you should. Lots of folks have gripes (maybe legitimate) but overall the V20 is the fastest and best phone i've ever owned. It's still right up there will phones just coming out. And for audio there's nothing like it. Put Viper on it and you're experiencing music the way it was meant to be.

kaluna00 said:
like my v20.
removable battery
fast. no lag.
good battery.
great camera
second screen rocks
I chose this over G6
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add ons:
Metal Design (with removable back cover) (military grade protection)
Expandable Storage
Camera (wide angle fun option)
Knock wake / sleep
Removable app drawer
Launcher themes
Fingerprint Scanner (wakes device without pressing)
Android N out of box.
I agree with this list.. I did a ton of research to find a phone that had all the features I wanted... and this one fit almost every bill. I do wish Battery life was a little better.. but QuickCharge is amazing and i could always buy an extra battery to swap in at any time.

Coming from a g4? Absolutely the phone is a beast compared to the g4. The 808 processor is a piece of crap in terms of both performance and thermal.
I would pick the LG v20 if these features are the most important:
- removable battery
- secondary screen
- high quality audio
- want a highly customizable camera experience (lots of options to get that perfect photo)
Yes the processor isn't the fastest of the ones currently available but unless you have both processors in action in front of you you won't notice the difference between them​ in day to day operations.
The LG v20 is probably going to be the last of the removable battery phones if the preview of the v30 is any indication.
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Yeah, $400 to $425 with some looking should get you a new V20.
ricohz said:
@StoneRyno
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1335245-REG/lg_black_g6_32gb_smartphone.html
lg 6(carrier unlocked gsm cdma) plus watch 600
https://swappa.com/buy/lg-v20
used v20 starting from 250
I paid 400 for my v20 bran new back on december I wouldn't pay 552 now
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I should add that root is a must given my experience with the G4. The longer development support of roms for whatever device I get the better. Ideally I would only upgrade to a new device about every 5 years. If they could be upgraded internally like PCs can I could get 7-8 years out of them before needing a complete replacement. Also I can't stand laggy software. Currently my experience with the G4 is that several games I play I have to open the recently used apps thing and click clear all so that it doesn't feel like I'm running them on below minimum system requirements. Sometimes it is so bad it's like I'm running the CPU at 200MHz instead of the 1.8GHz.
buongu said:
so no interest for music whatsover?
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I've almost never used my smartphones for music. And when I do I have high quality headphones I use.
buongu said:
depending on your budget, say a samsung s8 if your budget doesn't have a roof, or a g6 if you like Lg... or anything of the kind.
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Budget is flexible. Especially if I can root and there is a lasting development base for updated roms supporting whatever device I get. If this were the case for me with the G4 I'd not even be considering replacement this soon after purchase. But I've not been able to root the G4 because it came preloaded with a not rootable version.
ricohz said:
I paid 400 for my v20 bran new back on december I wouldn't pay 552 now
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Oh wow the way sprint is advertising this it's like it was just released. Given this info I for sure am going to look at my options including shopping for a lower price if I decide to get the v20.
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If you want LG, the G6 is a great phone and is $10 less a month on Sprint. Otherwise, the S8 is a hell of a phone for about the same price as the G6.
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To date I have had samsung devices. The G4 was my first LG device. The reasoning behind getting it rather than another samsung was it looked like samsung was pulling an apple and doing minor hardware bumps and charging a fortune for them compared to the going price of the previous model. My main objection to getting a G6 is that I'm trading off certain things: removable battery, camera quality, sensors, for only CPU GPU and RAM bumps. All in all if I'm going to upgrade I need the new device to improve upon most everything related to how I use it. I don't take a lot of pictures but enough that a dependable well featured camera be in the device.

those who have the phone

So you will have all had the phone for a month or so now .
Still waiting here for the UK release ,but is it worth waiting for ,love the design of it
What's all your views on it .
my choices are
Wait for essential in the UK
Pixel 2 XL
HTC U11 + if it comes es to the UK
LG V30

I've grown to love this phone. Out of the phones you mention, the only one I would consider would be the P2XL. However, since Essential is starting to release source files, I'll be perfectly happy to stick with the PH-1 if we start seeing some development.

If I had the choice now, I'd probably go for the Pixel 2 XL. Having owned the PH-1 for a month now, I realize that it is still pretty much unfinished product. The hardware is no doubt, beautiful but the software still feels incomplete. Although Essential has sent out a few updates and the software had improved markedly, it is still not up to par with other phones in the market (e.g. phone lags when scrolling, it freezes every now and then and the camera software is still not that great).
Although we haven't seen how the Pixel 2 XL really works, I'd assume it's in better shape than the Essential software. In short, I'd ask whether you'd want to be a beta tester for Essential or go with a more established player like Google. In my case, I am getting the Pixel 2 XL and will sell the PH-1 (or may keep it as a backup) when it arrives.

I was waiting for the Pixel 2, not XL (850+ dlls for me is too much), but then the full desing leaked and the Pixel 2 ended up horrible. For me it was 650 + taxes for the pixel 2, with 64 gb and outdated design. On the other hand Essential is 700 for 128gb an much better looking, also I had the oportunity to saw one at a local best buy and it was amazing on the hand, great build quality.
If you have no problem with spending 850+ dlls for a phone and you really need the fastest Android updates then go for the Pixel XL 2, but I think the essential is at a reallly good point right know and it looks like things are going to be better

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So you will have all had the phone for a month or so now .
Still waiting here for the UK release ,but is it worth waiting for ,love the design of it
What's all your views on it .
my choices are
Wait for essential in the UK
Pixel 2 XL
HTC U11 + if it comes es to the UK
LG V30
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I currently own both the HTC U11 and Essential with the pixel 2 XL on order, so if you are familiar with the U11, i can give you a fairly good idea of what you'l be getting with the essential. Between the two I have, they are very different and you get different value for your money. With the essential you get 128GB, great build and materials. I love the look and design. The edge to edge display is really something you have to see in person to appreciate. Having had the s8+, the Essentials bezel less design is better in my opinion. Battery size is ok at 3040mAh. It's also getting update pretty frequently so there's hope all bugs will be ironed out soon. So far nothing I can't live with.
I think you can get the U11 for $550 and $650 for the 64gb and 128GB respectively. I'm guessing the U11+ will be similar to the U11 in terms of specs, but with hopefully a larger, less bezel. So with the U11 as reference you get a more traditional, possibly outdated design. You either love it or hate it for it's "classic" look. Aside from that you get a solidly built phone as well. It feels good in the hand, it runs great with probably one of the only android skins I actually like. It has a really good camera, once having had the highest DxO score for a bit until it was overtaken by the iphone and now pixels. Still a great camera none the less, miles ahead better than the essential, so I expect the U11+ to have the same if not slightly better. Still nothing wrong if it's the same camera in my opinion. The U11 has a 3000mAh battery, so I expect the U11+ to have at least that much, hopefully more. The edge sense is actually pretty cool and useful too once you setup custom actions per app.
Then's there' s cost. The essential is $700 US dollars for 128GB. If the U11 is $750 normally for 128GB, I can only assume the U11+ will be more if a 128 option exists. The U11+ will most likely have sd card support. That's still cheaper than the pixel 2xl that starts at $850 for 64gb and $950 for 128gb with the exact same internals, with a much better camera. but pixel does have bigger screen but s8 like bezels on top and bottom. At least there's speakers there but if you want edge to edge, the essential is a nicer looking option.
I actually prefer the Essential over my U11. The camera isn't that important to me on a smart phone. It works, takes decent pictures if needed. I'm no professional and I don't pretend to be. But the look, feels and size is what makes the essential my daily driver now. I am totally happy with my essential, and I'll be critical with the pixel 2 given all the good the essential has. I don't regret my purchase and even got one for the wife

Personally I love the essential phone. My favorite this is the size of the phone. It's pretty much identical to size of the Galaxy S5 and it's all screen. As far as software, I don't really have any issues at all anymore, the occasional things creeps up from time to time. Every phone has those random little on offs. There isn't a software on Earth that hasn't frozen hasn't lagged hasn't bugged out at one time or another. Essential has done a really great job of keeping consistent updates coming. Through both the monthly security updates and via essential services and resources app on the play store.
I could honestly careless about the camera, it has never been a selling point for me on a phone ever. That being said, I don't have any issues taking pictures and they turn just fine for me. If you want to shoot a movie on your phone(like all the reviewers expect a phone camera to clearly do) maybe look towards the pixel. I have no interest in pixel xl 2 because it's to dam big for my hands and those size phones are hard for me to use. After using this phone, I have no interest in using a phone that has bezels as big as the regular pixel 2.
You can't go wrong with either phone, and unless you pre-order the pixel 2 xl it's going to be a wait for that device as well.

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Personally I love the essential phone. My favorite this is the size of the phone. It's pretty much identical to size of the Galaxy S5 and it's all screen. As far as software, I don't really have any issues at all anymore, the occasional things creeps up from time to time. Every phone has those random little on offs. There isn't a software on Earth that hasn't frozen hasn't lagged hasn't bugged out at one time or another. Essential has done a really great job of keeping consistent updates coming. Through both the monthly security updates and via essential services and resources app on the play store.
I could honestly careless about the camera, it has never been a selling point for me on a phone ever. That being said, I don't have any issues taking pictures and they turn just fine for me. If you want to shoot a movie on your phone(like all the reviewers expect a phone camera to clearly do) maybe look towards the pixel. I have no interest in pixel xl 2 because it's to dam big for my hands and those size phones are hard for me to use. After using this phone, I have no interest in using a phone that has bezels as big as the regular pixel 2.
You can't go wrong with either phone, and unless you pre-order the pixel 2 xl it's going to be a wait for that device as well.
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Now that I have used for a while, the reviews were really hard. Saying that this phone is bad and telling people not to buy it only because the camare is not good makes me wonder what kind of "reviews" and "tech journalism" we have today

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Now that I have used for a while, the reviews were really hard. Saying that this phone is bad and telling people not to buy it only because the camare is not good makes me wonder what kind of "reviews" and "tech journalism" we have today
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Exactly, I have been waging a war on Android central recently and their over bias bull**** reviews. Sites like those only care about flagship devices, infact the only phones they don't say bad things about are Samsung. That same attitude has rolled over to the forums, just a bunch of people who have never even seen one in person saying it's a horrible device. Yet I come to the good ol' XDA it's full of people actually trying to help other users.
That's why I don't buy phones based on reviews, if I listened to Android central, I would have never owned the HTC 10, the Honor 8 or the axon 7. All of which are fantastic devices, but because they don't do things like Samsung they all got ****ty reviews and recommendations.
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I currently own both the HTC U11 and Essential with the pixel 2 XL on order, so if you are familiar with the U11, i can give you a fairly good idea of what you'l be getting with the essential. Between the two I have, they are very different and you get different value for your money. With the essential you get 128GB, great build and materials. I love the look and design. The edge to edge display is really something you have to see in person to appreciate. Having had the s8+, the Essentials bezel less design is better in my opinion. Battery size is ok at 3040mAh. It's also getting update pretty frequently so there's hope all bugs will be ironed out soon. So far nothing I can't live with.
I think you can get the U11 for $550 and $650 for the 64gb and 128GB respectively. I'm guessing the U11+ will be similar to the U11 in terms of specs, but with hopefully a larger, less bezel. So with the U11 as reference you get a more traditional, possibly outdated design. You either love it or hate it for it's "classic" look. Aside from that you get a solidly built phone as well. It feels good in the hand, it runs great with probably one of the only android skins I actually like. It has a really good camera, once having had the highest DxO score for a bit until it was overtaken by the iphone and now pixels. Still a great camera none the less, miles ahead better than the essential, so I expect the U11+ to have the same if not slightly better. Still nothing wrong if it's the same camera in my opinion. The U11 has a 3000mAh battery, so I expect the U11+ to have at least that much, hopefully more. The edge sense is actually pretty cool and useful too once you setup custom actions per app.
Then's there' s cost. The essential is $700 US dollars for 128GB. If the U11 is $750 normally for 128GB, I can only assume the U11+ will be more if a 128 option exists. The U11+ will most likely have sd card support. That's still cheaper than the pixel 2xl that starts at $850 for 64gb and $950 for 128gb with the exact same internals, with a much better camera. but pixel does have bigger screen but s8 like bezels on top and bottom. At least there's speakers there but if you want edge to edge, the essential is a nicer looking option.
I actually prefer the Essential over my U11. The camera isn't that important to me on a smart phone. It works, takes decent pictures if needed. I'm no professional and I don't pretend to be. But the look, feels and size is what makes the essential my daily driver now. I am totally happy with my essential, and I'll be critical with the pixel 2 given all the good the essential has. I don't regret my purchase and even got one for the wife
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Don't go saying better camera just yet. The HTC U11 and the first pixel are tied at a dxo mark of 90. While google unofficially claims a score of 98 for the new pixels we will see. I am sure HTC has plans to continue it's stellar camera software.

UK owner
I bought mine from a seller in the US as I was willing to take a chance that the early reviews were off the mark.
I've had the phone for almost 4 weeks now, and it's a great phone as far as I'm concerned.
Battery life is excellent, I get a minimum of 5 hours + SOT regularly for my usage, which I have never managed with previous phones., Even managed almost 7 hours a couple of times with lighter usage.
Latest updates from Essential have made real progress in stability.
Yes, the camera is average, but not as bad as many have said.
It takes decent photographs as far as I'm concerned, and I use it occasionally for work purposes with no problems in quality.
It does feel very nice in the hand, and the screen coverage looks great.
Hope this helps.
Something I need to mention that I initially forgot. The screen brightness when outside in sunlight. I think some of the early reviews said it was little under lit, but I think they may have adaptive brightness on, because I've used it often when out and about. I've noticed if you toggle off adaptive and adjust it manually if it's sunny, it's fine.

I would pick the PH-1 over any of those devices, the design is different in a good way, the lack of accessories (cases mainly) makes it more like a acquired taste. hey all use the same Qualcomm MSM8998 Snapdragon 835 and 4GB of RAM so it's based on your style. The Essential has been great to me and it turns heads. If you decide on the others - I would say Pixel 2 XL so you are ensured support

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Exactly, I have been waging a war on Android central recently and their over bias bull**** reviews. Sites like those only care about flagship devices, infact the only phones they don't say bad things about are Samsung. That same attitude has rolled over to the forums, just a bunch of people who have never even seen one in person saying it's a horrible device. Yet I come to the good ol' XDA it's full of people actually trying to help other users.
That's why I don't buy phones based on reviews, if I listened to Android central, I would have never owned the HTC 10, the Honor 8 or the axon 7. All of which are fantastic devices, but because they don't do things like Samsung they all got ****ty reviews and recommendations.
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Don't go saying better camera just yet. The HTC U11 and the first pixel are tied at a dxo mark of 90. While google unofficially claims a score of 98 for the new pixels we will see. I am sure HTC has plans to continue it's stellar camera software.
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Well yes and no. The score is official. But what that number equates to in real world performance is relative. To say the u11 isn't "as good" as the pixel 2 does not mean the u11 camera isn't great, although the phrase does imply that. I think a score in the 90s will result in excellent camera performance to some degree. I have no reason to believe HTC won't improve on what they've built so far. Regardless as an android user we have some quality and exciting phones to choose from.

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Well yes and no. The score is official. But what that number equates to in real world performance is relative. To say the u11 isn't "as good" as the pixel 2 does not mean the u11 camera isn't great, although the phrase does imply that. I think a score in the 90s will result in excellent camera performance to some degree. I have no reason to believe HTC won't improve on what they've built so far. Regardless as an android user we have some quality and exciting phones to choose from.
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I did not know they made it official, well in that case. Let's see what HTC brings with the U11+. I have always loved HTC and their simple user interface. If the rumors are correct it will be a thin bezel design as well, which makes me excited. I honestly wouldn't have given the U11 back had it had a higher screen to body ratio. It was a little too big for my liking.

I loved the look and feel of the phone, substantial in the hand, good button feel and I liked where the buttons were.
NIce looking screen too.
Software and camera were OK,
I *hatehatehate* stock android ! First thing I have always done is root and Rom .
I returned it, very late actually like just last week as I was holding out hope of kernel and Factory image release but not soon enough. I resurrected my 6P and am still using that because I **really* love the 6P.
I would absolutely buy the PH-1 again when my 6P dies and Essential gets some ROMs.
The PH-1 is a fabulous device. Now that Xposed is live for Nougat, using Xposed on the PH-1 would greatly enhance the experience, for me. Where else are you going to get that kind of hardware and 128GB storage for under 700? I did keep the camera JIC lol
Zo0

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I did not know they made it official, well in that case. Let's see what HTC brings with the U11+. I have always loved HTC and their simple user interface. If the rumors are correct it will be a thin bezel design as well, which makes me excited. I honestly wouldn't have given the U11 back had it had a higher screen to body ratio. It was a little too big for my liking.
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I know how you feel. Been an HTC fan since the windows mobile days and loved HTC manilla/rosie/sense and whatever else it was called in between lol. I miss developing for the those older phones. Sense is the only android skin I truly love. Hopefully I'll be apart of the user trials for the u11+ as well. But the essential will be a hard phone to beat design wise.

Still like my PH1. Not sure I want the Pixel 2 xl. I've got a 6p to trade on it also but it's not really a great looking device in my opinion. Haven't ruled it out though as a backup device. Honestly I really want to see if I can get the Xperia XZ1 to run on Verizon as it has all the lte bands. Plus it's got aptx for my home Bluetooth setup. Sony hates the US so it's been an impossible task so far.
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Thanks guys ,some great responses and information,still using my trusty N6P ,if I could gather a UK release date on the PH-1 it would help ,but essential seem reluctant to commit to one so far .Had the early shut down issues in the N6P ,but I changed the battery for lots more life in it just yet .

combat goofwing said:
Thanks guys ,some great responses and information,still using my trusty N6P ,if I could gather a UK release date on the PH-1 it would help ,but essential seem reluctant to commit to one so far .Had the early shut down issues in the N6P ,but I changed the battery for lots more life in it just yet .
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Not sure if www.swappa.com is an option for you but they have some on sale, from used to mint. I buy and sell and on there all the time. Extremely reliable, PayPal verified and secure. One in mint condition at $620 isn't bad.