Generally, I've never used a pin/pw/pattern to unlock my phone. Wise or not, I like to get quick access often.
The G5 Plus is my first phone with a fingerprint reader. I thought that would help me get better security without slowing down access.
However, I can't find any way to enable fingerprint access without first entering a PIN, password, or pattern lock! Online tutorials say there should be a "None" option on that screen, but mine doesn't have any such option.
I don't see how this makes any sense:
- You can have no PW/PIN/Pattern and no Fingerprint
- You can have Fingerprint, but only if you have PW/PIN/Pattern to access Fingerprint. This seems to defeat 95% of the utility of having Fingerprint! (the other 5% being when you need to validate Google Pay or whatever)
It seems like having an in-between option (fingerprint only) would be more secure than nothing, so why isn't it an option?
Is there any way to have fingerprint access without having to unlock first?
You need to have a password as backup. You only have to enter that password once after setting up the fingerprint, and on first boot. After that it does not requires the pin
Also, many custom ROMs have an option to unlock with FP without unlocking it with pin/pattern at all
When you use the fingerprint sensor, it bypasses the password and unlocks the device instantly. Password is a backup in case the sensor malfunctions.
It also asks you for your password once every few days.
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Ok so if your phone reboots or crashes, you will need to enter a password or pattern in order for the phone to work. Even alarms and everything won't work until you enter the password. That's pretty bad especially if you NEED an alarm
Some people mentioned turning it on and off and it would give you a prompt to disable it.
But for us rooted people, it doesn't give us that option. And our data is unencrypted right?
Is there a workaround if I install a custom rom?
The phone is only unencrypted if you unencrypted it. I didn't decrypt when I rooted, and a few days later TWRP was made to support the 6p without decrypting. I don't know about alarms not working when locked, mine works fine every morning and I usually after to enter my PIN or scan my finger when I tap on a notification. I was using Smart Lock with my Pebble Time, but even that still requires a PIN again after 4 hours (I'm not using it for Smart Lock anymore because the fingerprint scanner is so convenient).
If you're referring to the "please enter PIN to continue booting" part, go to security settings when tap your method (mine is PIN) and I am asked if I want to require a PIN to start the device. This will require you to put in your PIN while Android is booting up and won't proceed unless the PIN is entered. THIS would cause you to lose all ability to use the phone such as alarms or emergency calls. I would toggle this OFF ("no thanks"), and it will still require an actual PIN (fingerprint won't work) for the first unlock after a reboot.
fury683 said:
If you're referring to the "please enter PIN to continue booting" part, go to security settings when tap your method (mine is PIN) and I am asked if I want to require a PIN to start the device. This will require you to put in your PIN while Android is booting up and won't proceed unless the PIN is entered. THIS would cause you to lose all ability to use the phone such as alarms or emergency calls. I would toggle this OFF ("no thanks"), and it will still require an actual PIN (fingerprint won't work) for the first unlock after a reboot.
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I believe the OP is talking about how it requires pin on the initial lock screen after booting up. Not even finger print or any smart locks will bypass, you have to enter the pin. As far as I know, the phone is functional at this point, so alarms and calls/text etc should come through.
jasonftfw said:
I believe the OP is talking about how it requires pin on the initial lock screen after booting up. Not even finger print or any smart locks will bypass, you have to enter the pin. As far as I know, the phone is functional at this point, so alarms and calls/text etc should come through.
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Correct, as I stated in the last sentence of my post. My phone is completely usable in this state. I can read and dismiss notifications, but if I tap on one to launch that app, I have to unlock with PIN. Imprint won't work. I have a Tasker profile to launch Spotify when I plug in my headphones at work and it runs just fine after a reboot and before I've unlocked.
Is there a way to make it so that fingerprint unlocks require a PIN or password after a period of time? It's really convenient when you're actively using your phone, but from a security standpoint it would be great if you needed your PIN after the phone has been idle for a few hours.
My device has some strange reactions when using fingerprints on both Stock and Cyanogen:
Configuration:
Ask for pin at startup is disabled
Smart Lock is enabled (by places and bluetooth trusted devices)
Tried with Smart Lock's body detection enabled and disabled, but I get the same result
The main problem is that many times (not all times, it's randomly) when I use finger print to unlock, it also asks for pin/pattern (seems like fingerprint is not enough for my device...) even when I'm at a "trusted place" or connected to a trusted bluetooth device.
Also, the device asks for pin at boot (this option is disabled).
Based on some tests, it's not caused by "failed fingerprint reads", and it happens randomly on Stock and Cyanogen.
It's very annoying to have to use fingerprint AND pin/pattern. It never happened on other fingerprint enabled device.
Any suggestions?
PIN at boot and first unlock after boot are not the same. PIN at boot prevents Android from starting. First unlock after boot will always require a PIN.
If you use your fingerprint all the time, it will prompt for a PIN every 48 hours.
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PIN at boot and first unlock after boot are not the same. PIN at boot prevents Android from starting. First unlock after boot will always require a PIN.
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I'll take a look at that.
For me, it randomly asks for pin after fingerprint, approx. 30-40% of unlocks, in the same day and without reboots.
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Is there anyone experiencing that no matter what lock I use, my phone always allows me to just swipe up once to unlock? I tried facial unlock & that works flawlessly, but I also added the secondary pattern and I still swipe up once and my phone just unlocks completely. I also disabled facial recognition with just primary pattern or number lock as the security and the phone still opens right up like no security is on it at all.
Anyone have a solution for this or does this seem like another bug for a future update?
Settings>Display>Navigation Bar>"Unlock with home button" - is this enabled or in any way related to what you're experiencing? Just a guess
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Settings>Display>Navigation Bar>"Unlock with home button" - is this enabled or in any way related to what you're experiencing? Just a guess
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I just took a look and that option is off. the kick screen doesn't skip. I have to swipe up Everytime...let's me right in
Do you allow Smart Lock on a network or attached device? What you're describing is the phone's behavior when connected to a Smart Lock approved device.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you allow Smart Lock on a network or attached device? What you're describing is the phone's behavior when connected to a Smart Lock approved device.
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I do, my Huawei watch
Swiissjokr said:
I do, my Huawei watch
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That's what is doing it. I had my Asus Zenwatch 2 listed as a trusted device in Smart Lock and my phone was doing the same thing. I removed all trusted devices and now I have to use my pin, finger print or irises to unlock my phone.
Sent from my wickedly kewl Galaxy S8 using my fingers. Duh!!!
It is set to not turn on the lock when the screen goes off for 10 minutes by default. You have to go I to lock screen, secure lock settings
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truckerdewd said:
That's what is doing it. I had my Asus Zenwatch 2 listed as a trusted device in Smart Lock and my phone was doing the same thing. I removed all trusted devices and now I have to use my pin, finger print or irises to unlock my phone.
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I removed it from trusted devices and now I'm back to normal thank you
Swiissjokr said:
I removed it from trusted devices and now I'm back to normal thank you
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Welcome
Sent from my wickedly kewl Galaxy S8 using my fingers. Duh!!!
So it's this a bug? Trusted devices should unlock only when phone is connected or in vicinity to them.
Also seeing this same behaviour. My home wifi is a trusted device and obviously it unlocks when I'm connected to it, but now for the second time I've been away from home for over 2 hours and it happily unlocks with just swipe. It only asks for biometrics if I reboot the phone. So it seems that there's a bug in trusted sources whereby it believes its still connected to wifi for some time after you disconnect!
I had to disable my trusted place (home) even though I was 100km away to fix the issue.
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It may also be the On-Body Detection is set to ON under the Smart Lock feature
The way I fixed mine after reading all of these posts was Settings>Lock Screen and Security>Secure Lock Settings>(Enter Pin or whatever security option you have enabled)>Secured Lock Time>, then add the diode to the first selection, "Instantly with the power key or when the screen times out." Then it prompted my security feature everytime the phone locked. When adding a timeout period if you lock with the lock button for some reason it thinks you did it by choice (owner) and figures you will open it without the need to input security feature. I have everything mentioned above off so, I was baffled as to why it didn't prompt my pin option. Now timeout or self lock (by owner) it prompts pin all the time. Hope this helps.
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Mine has the same issue. but i dont have any trusted devices. i think its a bug in the software. It only asks for pin or iris scan after a couple of minutes being locked otherwise i can just swipe and it unlocks which is ****.
Don't do hard resets, login to the samsung account, go to find my mobile, then unlock your phone from there, it will delete the password. It will tell you to use a pin for access to samsung and the phone etc. Add the pin into the phone, then unlock the phone when you're on the phone screen. This will wipe off the passcode, this is so your settings don't keep restarting (happened to my note 8). Next part is to clear credentials in the settings and reset settings. None your data, apps will be affected, just the theme and basic security stuff. Now you can finally reset your pattern to however to you want it to be. As good as gold! Hope this helps.
Thanks a lot. I finally figured out what the issue was. My On-Body-Detection in the Smart Lock settings was On.
Just go to Setting -->Lock Screen and Security --> Smart Lock. Deactivate all the options there.
I have a Moto E4 and I have a secondary pattern up and everytime I swipe up it unlocks it instead of making me put in the pattern
So, I'm looking around, but all searches are leading me to people who want something completely different.
I'd like to use my fingerprint to unlock apps like Gpay or ADP mobile, but do not want to unlock my phone using a fingerprint, just a PIN. The issue being that, if I remove the fingerprint option from lock screen, my fingerprint is wiped entirely.
Is there a mod out there that allows this? Or am I just stuck deciding between convinience and security?
I really like the idea of that ....I'd interested in that
I've never heard of a mod that does what you want. Android links fingerprint usage in apps to the setup in the lockscreen. I'm not sure how entering a pin is more convenient than using a fingerprint but if your phone is locked can't you always enter the pin instead of a fingerprint anyway? When you set up the pin and fingerprint Android forces you to use the pin at first boot but I don't think it ever forces you to use your fingerprint. When mine is locked and shows a fingerprint prompt if I touch the screen the keyboard pops up so the pin can be entered instead. Forcing you to use the fingerprint to unlock wouldn't make sense because if the fingerprint sensor stopped working you would be permanently locked out of your phone.
You misunderstand the purpose of what I'm asking. I can be legally compelled to provide a fingerprint to unlock my phone, but not a pin. If my phone doesn't unlock via fingerprint, this is not an issue.
So no, it isn't convinient to unlock via PIN, but it is secure.
I still want to use the fingerprint sensor for LastPass, ADP, Gpay, etc.
Would love the same, hate that they are connected. I do not need a lock screen but the convenience for apps would be nice.
barteringram said:
So, I'm looking around, but all searches are leading me to people who want something completely different.
I'd like to use my fingerprint to unlock apps like Gpay or ADP mobile, but do not want to unlock my phone using a fingerprint, just a PIN. The issue being that, if I remove the fingerprint option from lock screen, my fingerprint is wiped entirely.
Is there a mod out there that allows this? Or am I just stuck deciding between convinience and security?
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Just remember on rebooting, the phone requires a PIN.
So if compelled, make sure you hit the power button and reboot the phone.