On Reddit AMA, "THEY" said there will not be any "camera blops"! - OnePlus 5 Questions & Answers

What are camera blops and how this will affect custom ROM making, and photo quality in those?
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If you mean blobs. Basically drivers for the camera, which are needed when running custom roms to get full functionality.
They said the same about dash charge for the 3.

Okay, if it is so then for me this is the reason for not buying the OP5. Without camera blobs we can't ever get the same picture quality with other ROMs as with OOS. Even worst if OnePlus decide to deliver a broken/bugged HAL2 and HAL3 again. Then we can't use another camera app with all functions even on OOS.

Don't worry we'll get them. Official or unofficial. It's just a matter of time.

Is this really a cause of concern?

antiochasylum said:
If you mean blobs. Basically drivers for the camera, which are needed when running custom roms to get full functionality.
They said the same about dash charge for the 3.
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Diddn''t they release the dash charge blobs ?

Hogyoku said:
Diddn''t they release the dash charge blobs ?
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Yes. Dash charge was not really blobs. More so code in the kernel

keessonnema said:
Don't worry we'll get them. Official or unofficial. It's just a matter of time.
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Nope it isn't. I own the OP3 from day one and I never can use my own camera apps "Open Camera" and "A better camera" correctly with it.
OP decides to deliver a bugged/broken camera 2-HAL so only their own camera app is able to work with it.
This is since over a year and corresponding to what I read this will never change as OP don't want to fix this.
A lot of people even tried to unbundle the OOS-camera as a solution for other roms but this never worked 100%.

hurray said:
Nope it isn't. I own the OP3 from day one and I never can use my own camera apps "Open Camera" and "A better camera" correctly with it.
OP decides to deliver a bugged/broken camera 2-HAL so only their own camera app is able to work with it.
This is since over a year and corresponding to what I read this will never change as OP don't want to fix this.
A lot of people even tried to unbundle the OOS-camera as a solution for other roms but this never worked 100%.
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Not working 100% != not working.
We'll get a well working hal3 camera on custom roms. Some things won't be as good or buggy, but atleast we could use the camera.

keessonnema said:
Not working 100% != not working.
We'll get a well working hal3 camera on custom roms. Some things won't be as good or buggy, but atleast we could use the camera.
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just "using" the camera isn't good enough , specially that the selling point of all the phone is the camera , and that behind the stupid non-enhanced camera app the OP5 runs , that shooter has some pretty big potential i guarantee that ... why wouldn't they share or publish the camera blobs anyway ? didn't they already share like all the source codes for the phone ? and aren't they supposed to be user and dev friendly ? ... i get disappointed by this phones more n more everyday ...

ReyTheBoss said:
just "using" the camera isn't good enough , specially that the selling point of all the phone is the camera , and that behind the stupid non-enhanced camera app the OP5 runs , that shooter has some pretty big potential i guarantee that ... why wouldn't they share or publish the camera blobs anyway ? didn't they already share like all the source codes for the phone ? and aren't they supposed to be user and dev friendly ? ... i get disappointed by this phones more n more everyday ...
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Pretty sure they didn't release the full blobs for the OP3 or 3T either. They said they don't want companies copying their technology.

B3501 said:
Pretty sure they didn't release the full blobs for the OP3 or 3T either. They said they don't want companies copying their technology.
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Omfg they're f**king it soo hard you know what , one think left to do , open a new thread for suggestions for another phone . keep an eye for that

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[DEV] [Discussion] Camera2 features

Hello everyone,
Now we are having fun with the Lollipop in our device. But our device doesn't seem to support every features of Lollipop. I was longing to use
the new features of android.hardware.camer2 API. But when i tried apps like Manual Camera, L Camera ; they report " It is not supported in your device". Devs isn't there anyway to integrate Camera2 support in any ROMs.
This might be of interest. http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/moto-g-2014-camera-sensor-t3053476
Heck even newly launched M9 and S6 premium phones camera also don't support all feature of camera 2 api,,, for our moto g ,,this is sure not possible. Its The reason that not even a single OEM go bang on this bad boy api, it requires lot of hardware elements to be in. Don't keep your hopes with Moto g on this ,,I an damm sure even moto x' 14 will not get this
This is the 4th or 5th thread i am going through which talks about Camera API 2.0 its pretty evident that our phones will never ever get the Camera API 2.0 support, please stop creating threads which wont yield anything!!
May I add somthing?
The Moto G has the same camera sensor as the nexus 5, the nexus 5 has camera2 api.
Also the camera2 is no hardware stuff, its an api to controll the camera manually.
Hey, maybe we could get 1080p through some camera2 api majic
QuillzToxic said:
The Moto G has the same camera sensor as the nexus 5, the nexus 5 has camera2 api.
Also the camera2 is no hardware stuff, its an api to controll the camera manually.
Hey, maybe we could get 1080p through some camera2 api majic
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I was going to answer that. Our phone is pretty capable of almost everything Camera API 2 provides to N5 (except 4k). If some dev be interested and start dig arround i bet we would end with something. We have all sources from both devices.
4k would be a tiny bit too boss
QuillzToxic said:
4k would be a tiny bit too boss
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4k wouldn't be possible i believe because of the SoC pipeline. It would be too much data to be handled.
But things like ISO selection this would be perfectly possible, once on N5 this option was selectable even before camera api v2.
sky0165 said:
4k wouldn't be possible i believe because of the SoC pipeline. It would be too much data to be handled.
But things like ISO selection this would be perfectly possible, once on N5 this option was selectable even before camera api v2.
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I would help, but I don't think I would be able to help mutch, I have no idea about kernals/libs.
But I'm looking forward to better shots.
It would be possible with some devlopment... Just mutch slower.
QuillzToxic said:
I would help, but I don't think I would be able to help mutch, I have no idea about kernals/libs.
But I'm looking forward to better shots.
It would be possible with some devlopment... Just mutch slower.
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Indeed. It would be very nice some enlightenment over this question even to people stop creating threads like this. What about @LuK1337 @luca020400 @Pizza_Dox @Shawn5162 ?
sky0165 said:
Indeed. It would be very nice some enlightenment over this question even to people stop creating threads like this. What about @LuK1337 @luca020400 @Pizza_Dox @Shawn5162 ?
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I personally never use camera so I won't even try porting it from N5.
Hi guys, is it possible to change the location folder to SD instead internal memory on this app? I can't find an option to do this.
ErickST18 said:
Hi guys, is it possible to change the location folder to SD instead internal memory on this app? I can't find an option to do this.
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swipe settings on camera and then touch on the SD Card pictogram. (????????)
sky0165 said:
swipe settings on camera and then touch on the SD Card pictogram. (????????)
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Can't see that option, can u post a screenshot or something, please?
Here you are.
I rely on the Phone for my snaps
LuK1337 said:
I personally never use camera so I won't even try porting it from N5.
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The thing is we have a hardware then with a small amount of work we can record even better memories or even full hd videos. Y don't you just lend out your knowledge to help us!
He is a ROM developer dude
The_Ace said:
The thing is we have a hardware then with a small amount of work we can record even better memories or even full hd videos. Y don't you just lend out your knowledge to help us!
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He is a ROM developer dude the software side of things Camera API 2.0 needs support of hardware as well as all those library files and modules. In short a complete rewrite of existing underlying Camera software which is very difficult since it requires proprietary files drivers etc. Seeing S6 or S6 Edge or any other major phone lacking it at the moment i feel we will never it until someone develops an open source driver kinda thing for it
I'm not sure what the big deal is with the camera thing. There are literally dozens of camera apps out there that are as good or better than the stock cameras. On the suggestion of someone at XDA that I forget who, I tried A Better Camera and liked it so much I purchased it. It will save to the SD card and has more features than the standard camera.
Tel864 said:
I'm not sure what the big deal is with the camera thing. There are literally dozens of camera apps out there that are as good or better than the stock cameras. On the suggestion of someone at XDA that I forget who, I tried A Better Camera and liked it so much I purchased it. It will save to the SD card and has more features than the standard camera.
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Try finding an app for manual focus, RAW support, exposure time and ISO sensitivity.
BTW also try Camera FV5. It kicks A Better Camera's a** in terms of bringing powerful features to your phone.
raju sesharaj said:
He is a ROM developer dude the software side of things Camera API 2.0 needs support of hardware as well as all those library files and modules. In short a complete rewrite of existing underlying Camera software which is very difficult since it requires proprietary files drivers etc. Seeing S6 or S6 Edge or any other major phone lacking it at the moment i feel we will never it until someone develops an open source driver kinda thing for it
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We are all speculating here, even you. No one has a digged to find if we can use anything from Nexus 5. The ones who has skills for this kind of thing is simply not interested.
The only thing we don't share with N5 is SoC.

Can we expect marshmallow soon?

Was reading this and given the note 5 ports thought it might not be long until we get a Samsung marshmallow n5 port for our n3?
http://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-...beta-for-galaxy-note-5-to-first-testers-in-us
I know there are 6.0.1 cm13 builds but I like using the stylus or at least having the option to, I might use it some day, you never know
I use CM13 and my pen... there are plenty of ways to get it working.
emuandco said:
I use CM13 and my pen... there are plenty of ways to get it working.
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Oh, with pressure sensitivity? does the camera still work well? 60fps and so on?
Last time I checked there were just too many features from the Samsung roms missing.
defroster said:
Oh, with pressure sensitivity? does the camera still work well? 60fps and so on?
Last time I checked there were just too many features from the Samsung roms missing.
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CM SPen Addon and Squid ftw. Works perfect. Camera works fine, too. No clue of 60fps, I dont need that.
emuandco said:
CM SPen Addon and Squid ftw. Works perfect. Camera works fine, too. No clue of 60fps, I dont need that.
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Using temaseks build? What the heck is squid?
defroster said:
Using temaseks build? What the heck is squid?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.steadfastinnovation.android.projectpapyrus&hl=de
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tushar.cmspen2&hl=de
The captured images won't be of same quality on CM like it is on TW ROMs. Forget about 60 fps, LOL. It's just the something is better than nothing approach, nothing else.
ithehappy said:
The captured images won't be of same quality on CM like it is on TW ROMs. Forget about 60 fps, LOL. It's just the something is better than nothing approach, nothing else.
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Talking about quality on a phone cam sensor? Lololol I have no quality problems BTW.
emuandco said:
Talking about quality on a phone cam sensor? Lololol I have no quality problems BTW.
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Yeah, I am talking about quality on a phone cam sensor. The quality difference is so much that even with naked eye, and even a dull headed person will notice the difference! And I am a DSLR guy by the way!
My biggest issue with CM is that there isn't a good multiwindow implementation yet. I know they're working on it (I think Google, could be CM, not entirely sure who exactly it is that's working on it), but the feature is still in early alpha. I can't use my phone without it. It's like not having a browser or a SIM card.
ithehappy said:
Yeah, I am talking about quality on a phone cam sensor. The quality difference is so much that even with naked eye, and even a dull headed person will notice the difference! And I am a DSLR guy by the way!
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Same camera sensor quality, just no FPS changes currently available, thus far. I am a micro-4/3 guy by the way, but don't see the relevance to this post :silly::silly::silly:
hapa8o8 said:
Same camera sensor quality, just no FPS changes currently available, thus far. I am a micro-4/3 guy by the way, but don't see the relevance to this post :silly::silly::silly:
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Who was talking about camera sensor! Everyone knows software can't change the hardware sensor! Its the post processing that matters, and that's where TW will thump over any CM/AOSP any day, any time.
Guys i have got good news here !!!
Official marshmallow!!!
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Guys i have got good news here !!!
Official marshmallow!!!
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Sweet. Could you link to that specific website, though? I don't want to be that guy, but it would be nice just for quick verification reasons. I might send it to a tech news website then too.
Amanoo said:
Sweet. Could you link to that specific website, though? I don't want to be that guy, but it would be nice just for quick verification reasons. I might send it to a tech news website then too.
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I cant send the link because it is a chat between me and developer in samsung.
AUmemOS said:
I cant send the link because it is a chat between me and developer in samsung.
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I meant to the website where this chat function is implemented, just to be completely that it really is from Samsung. I understand that I can't see your conversation. I'm just curious to take a quick look at the page where the function is located.
Amanoo said:
I meant to the website where this chat function is implemented, just to be completely that it really is from Samsung. I understand that I can't see your conversation. I'm just curious to take a quick look at the page where the function is located.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/support/live-chat.html
ithehappy said:
Who was talking about camera sensor! Everyone knows software can't change the hardware sensor! Its the post processing that matters, and that's where TW will thump over any CM/AOSP any day, any time.
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Then I suggest you go find a custom TW ROM :laugh: problem solved? :silly:
hapa8o8 said:
Then I suggest you go find a custom TW ROM :laugh: problem solved? :silly:
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No, not solved. I didn't have a problem to solve at first place :laugh:
ithehappy said:
No, not solved. I didn't have a problem to solve at first place :laugh:
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Oh, life must be swell then Keep rockin on, friend. :highfive:

[REFERENCE] To all those looking to purchase the Mate 8.

There are many people who come to xda to read reviews and tests about a device before purchasing it, some even check for custom ROMs to see if one has been released but always think more will come in the future. As it is now Custom ROMs based off CM or AOSP is NOT possible. It may NOT be possible in the future either so please buy accordingly.
Indeed.
Single most reason (along with camera) this device is not in my greedy hands already. Shame, really! :crying:
Pfeffernuss said:
Indeed.
Single most reason (along with camera) this device is not in my greedy hands already. Shame, really! :crying:
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Camera is great best I've seen in a while. Better than Note 4 about up to par with V10 in my opinion
Yeah thats true....Glad I am not super big fan of CM. This is just a perfect phone for me specially with the battery life. Camera is pretty good too specially the day shots.
I use layers. Works for enough for me
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Camera is great best I've seen in a while. Better than Note 4 about up to par with V10 in my opinion
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In that case I do not quite understand why most of the photos I've seen (also on XDA) are "adequate", at best :rolleyes"
Pfeffernuss said:
In that case I do not quite understand why most of the photos I've seen (also on XDA) are "adequate", at best :rolleyes"
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Most have been taken before updates to address the issue. Low lighting is what kills the camera but it kills every camera on nearly every phone.
http://imgur.com/a/8hmSB
Ephemera said:
Most have been taken before updates to address the issue. Low lighting is what kills the camera but it kills every camera on nearly every phone.
http://imgur.com/a/8hmSB
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The camera actually is not that bad in low lighting. I used Zenfone 2 previously, much worst.

Most stable rom for i9301i

what's the most stable custom rom at the moment other than the one for By n1kolaa which is reallt good btw
and if i were to install a new rom someone guide me on how to please
including back ups
By far this one . http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=s3ve3g . The only disadvantage is that it has no camera and flashlight (at least for me ). But by performance side and glitches it absolutely amazing.
Axell. said:
By far this one . http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=s3ve3g . The only disadvantage is that it has no camera and flashlight (at least for me ). But by performance side and glitches it absolutely amazing.
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What exactly do you mean by "it has no camera and flashlight" lol?! Of course it does, and if the camera isn't working you are supposed to flash the camera fix.
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What exactly do you mean by "it has no camera and flashlight" lol?! Of course it does, and if the camera isn't working you are supposed to flash the camera fix.
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Well i know that but whatever i've tried it just doesnt work for me maybe for others would work. i flashed a lot of fixes none seemed to work

Why are we working on Oreo???

Why are we working on android Oreo? Should we try to perfect Nougat first. I see this so much with other devices, instead of having a few perfect roms you have a ton of half baked ones.
I'm running this device on Oreo and it works perfectly well for my needs. Its not my day to day tablet, but as a backup tablet, its there when I need it and does what I need it to. Why wouldn't they work on Oreo? There's no such thing as a perfect rom and nobody is ever going to make one due to limitations in hardware and open source drivers etc....
Personally, I'm happy that they have brought the latest incarnation of Android to this device and look forward to watching it improve with each new release.
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I'm running this device on Oreo and it works perfectly well for my needs. Its not my day to day tablet, but as a backup tablet, its there when I need it and does what I need it to. Why wouldn't they work on Oreo? There's no such thing as a perfect rom and nobody is ever going to make one due to limitations in hardware and open source drivers etc....
Personally, I'm happy that they have brought the latest incarnation of Android to this device and look forward to watching it improve with each new release.
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>No such thing as a perfect rom
what are you talking about? Nougat on my RAZR M (just as old as the Nexus 10) runs flawlessly, and everything functions, so yes, there is such a thing as a perfect rom (or at least one with minimal bugs)
Most all roms have all functions on my ancient OG Nexus 7 (albeit a bit slow)
>Running oreo
HW video playback doesn't work, so no youtube app or netflix
Camera is still broken (some people need it for conference calls and hangouts chats)
--flash is broken too (you usually don't need it, but for those few situations you do, this is quite annoying)
Bluetooth wifi bug persists (turning on bluetooth and connecting a device makes wifi slow down and then disconnect)
My point is that we shouldn't just ditch/give up on fixing old bugs just to pursue a newer version of android. I'd rather run stable and fast Nougat than a half baked Oreo or Nougat build any day.
I know development is hard (my build set up errors out like no other) but that is just the reason we need to fix these things before wasting our time on something that will be harder to fix.
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>No such thing as a perfect rom
what are you talking about? Nougat on my RAZR M (just as old as the Nexus 10) runs flawlessly, and everything functions, so yes, there is such a thing as a perfect rom (or at least one with minimal bugs)
Most all roms have all functions on my ancient OG Nexus 7 (albeit a bit slow)
>Running oreo
HW video playback doesn't work, so no youtube app or netflix
Camera is still broken (some people need it for conference calls and hangouts chats)
--flash is broken too (you usually don't need it, but for those few situations you do, this is quite annoying)
Bluetooth wifi bug persists (turning on bluetooth and connecting a device makes wifi slow down and then disconnect)
My point is that we shouldn't just ditch/give up on fixing old bugs just to pursue a newer version of android. I'd rather run stable and fast Nougat than a half baked Oreo or Nougat build any day.
I know development is hard (my build set up errors out like no other) but that is just the reason we need to fix these things before wasting our time on something that will be harder to fix.
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If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you.
The Devs. which are still supporting the N10 said that they are not specialists for the open issues like camera, so they can't fix it. We should be happy that they try to make the best rom which they are capable and motivated for Nougat/Oreo etc.
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If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you.
The Devs. which are still supporting the N10 said that they are not specialists for the open issues like camera, so they can't fix it. We should be happy that they try to make the best rom which they are capable and motivated for Nougat/Oreo etc.
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>making the best rom which they are capable
they aren't though, that's my point. They are slowly moving on to building oreo instead of trying to fix nougat which would both be easier and more beneficial to the community.
>If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you
I obviously don't (not that I'm not trying to), and part of my point is that the people who are the most competent (not competent, just the most competent, if you know what I mean) would get on the camera fix choo choo train, we could probably have a fix sooner rather than never.
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>making the best rom which they are capable
they aren't though, that's my point. They are slowly moving on to building oreo instead of trying to fix nougat which would both be easier and more beneficial to the community.
>If you know how to fix the issues on Nougat, nobody will stop you
I obviously don't (not that I'm not trying to), and part of my point is that the people who are the most competent (not competent, just the most competent, if you know what I mean) would get on the camera fix choo choo train, we could probably have a fix sooner rather than never.
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Got your point. Nevertheless if the developers are not willing or capable doesn't matter. It's their decision and they owe us nothing. If you read the different threads each dev. said why he didn't fix e.g. camera.
tim-scrap said:
Got your point. Nevertheless if the developers are not willing or capable doesn't matter. It's their decision and they owe us nothing. If you read the different threads each dev. said why he didn't fix e.g. camera.
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link me, I have been looking for explanations on the camera for ages now. I didn't know if it was a problem with the Exynos framework for the camera or Nougat/Oreo themselves.
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link me, I have been looking for explanations on the camera for ages now. I didn't know if it was a problem with the Exynos framework for the camera or Nougat/Oreo themselves.
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Sorry my friend I will not read all posts of the last roms and why scanno, followmsi and the others are not fixing the open topics like camera, etc. That's your job. And if it is still not clear for you, you can ask the last active dev. (followmsi). he just pointed out today why he will not do so. Just read the posts around N10.
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link me, I have been looking for explanations on the camera for ages now. I didn't know if it was a problem with the Exynos framework for the camera or Nougat/Oreo themselves.
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Marshmallow is the last version of Android where everything works right on the Nexus 10. I don't have links but from everything I have seen/read, the devs can't do anything about the camera after Marshmallow. Google isn't giving the devs anything to work with anymore so stuff has to be ported or fixed by the devs alone. And I do beleive it has something to do with the hardware. But as it stands, Nougat is pretty flawless except for the camera. And Oreo is getting worked on to fix the HW Video Playback and other bugs which I'm sure they'll get fixed eventually. But most of the issues lie with the hardware. There's nothing much any dev can do about certain bugs. At this point, it's either live with the bugs or move on from the Nexus 10.
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Marshmallow is the last version of Android where everything works right on the Nexus 10. I don't have links but from everything I have seen/read, the devs can't do anything about the camera after Marshmallow. Google isn't giving the devs anything to work with anymore so stuff has to be ported or fixed by the devs alone. And I do beleive it has something to do with the hardware. But as it stands, Nougat is pretty flawless except for the camera. And Oreo is getting worked on to fix the HW Video Playback and other bugs which I'm sure they'll get fixed eventually. But most of the issues lie with the hardware. There's nothing much any dev can do about certain bugs. At this point, it's either live with the bugs or move on from the Nexus 10.
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I'll probably live with the bugs for a bit, I don't use the camera much, but when I do, its REALLY convenient. Marshmallow works great, and worst case I sell my N10 and grab a Nexus 9
Galaxyninja66 said:
I'll probably live with the bugs for a bit, I don't use the camera much, but when I do, its REALLY convenient. Marshmallow works great, and worst case I sell my N10 and grab a Nexus 9
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Yeah, don't get a nexus 9. Oreo has the same problems (no h/w video decoding, no camera) on N9. I've pretty much given up on Android tablets (I own 4, Touchpad, N10, N9 and Amazon Fire w/ LineageOS), it looks like google has too.
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Yeah, don't get a nexus 9. Oreo has the same problems (no h/w video decoding, no camera) on N9. I've pretty much given up on Android tablets (I own 4, Touchpad, N10, N9 and Amazon Fire w/ LineageOS), it looks like google has too.
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I can't, I love android tablets. They are a blast to use, and I use them much more often than my phone. To each their own, but frankly Google can suck it if they think people will stop using tablets.
The point is thet when android 8 wil works on nexus 10 all newer androids will work to thanks to project treble.
source.android.com/devices/architecture/treble
sagu55 said:
The point is thet when android 8 wil works on nexus 10 all newer androids will work to thanks to project treble.
source.android.com/devices/architecture/treble
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iirc project treble was only for devices shipping with oreo out of the box, and was only a requirement, i.e. you must have a compatible AOSP factory image that is compatible with other treble devices (which doesn't count the N10 as it shipped with 4.2). I'll give that link a read but I as far as I currently know it doesn't support the N10
@Galaxyninja66 to fix the camera you need to port the old api1 camera to nougat/Oreo.
The api2 camera code was removed entirely from Android, that's why the camera stopped working.
The reason nobody is working on this is because it takes a lot of time to do that and none of the active devs even use the camera
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@Galaxyninja66 to fix the camera you need to port the old api1 camera to nougat/Oreo.
The api2 camera code was removed entirely from Android, that's why the camera stopped working.
The reason nobody is working on this is because it takes a lot of time to do that and none of the active devs even use the camera
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I also noticed while poking around in the camera HAL that a TON of values were just missing entirely. I would love a working camera but frankly it doesn't seem worth the work if it means either A: porting a deprecated API or B: rebuilding an entirely new one
*sigh* and the layer of dust on top of the Nexus 10 gets a little thicker.
Everyone else is doable tho
considering what an excellent tablet the Nexus was in its brief heyday, this is all very depressing! I really hate how valuable devices can be turned into landfill so gratuitously...

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