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Potential first time Nexus user coming over from Desire Z.
I intend to transfer my old data from my DZ to the nexus4 when I get it via Titanium Backup. My DZ is rooted with S-off, so it's all good.
I've stumbled over instructions on how to unlock the nexus4 via ABD, but if I'm not wrong, that's only to allow flashing of custom bootloaders and ROMs, right?
Which is to say, unlocking != rooting, and in order for Titanium Backup to work properly, the n4 will have to be rooted as well as SU, busybox etc installed.
Am I on the right track?
Cheers.
nexus come unlock.
unlock = to be use with any carrier
rooting = giving beyond standard permissions such as changing how android does things. EG overclocking, changing your sound "quailty" etc and you said. TB (titanium backup)
Unlock can also mean bootloader unlocking so you can flash/boot from custom recoveries, ROMs, kernels etc (the previous poster was referring to SIM unlocking).
It's just as easy to root, simply install/flash SuperSU via recovery though ChainsDD's Superuser works as well.
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Unlock can also mean bootloader unlocking so you can flash/boot from custom recoveries, ROMs, kernels etc (the previous poster was referring to SIM unlocking).
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Thanks Unlawful. Yes, I meant bootloader unlocking.
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It's just as easy to root, simply install/flash SuperSU via recovery though ChainsDD's Superuser works as well.
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Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
endlesstrail said:
Thanks Unlawful. Yes, I meant bootloader unlocking.
Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
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I doubt it. Be cool if it did
Once you have it unlocked you enter the recovery mode and root it there. I'm probably guessing shortly after its release someone is going to make a program so it does it in few steps.
There won't be anything really out that really requires root, other than TB.
endlesstrail said:
Thanks Unlawful. Yes, I meant bootloader unlocking.
Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
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Nexus 4 does not come rooted. You have to root it.
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Nexus 4 does not come rooted. You have to root it.
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Thanks guys. I guessed as much.
Yeah, I'll probably have to do without the backup of my apps for a few days until some kind soul manages to root it and posts instructions. Maybe it'll just be a day or a few hours even! :fingers-crossed:
You will be able to unlock the bootloader right away.
Root maybe not. In order to root it you will need either need a custom recovery for the device or a software exploit.
It won't take long but a custom recovery needs to be built and tested first.
It's easy to root a nexus
First you unlock the bootloader=fastboot oem unlock.
Then you use fastboot to flash a recovery. Once recovery is flashed you have to use adb to make it stick(delete the script that overwrite custom recovery with stock) then you flash su. Zip in recovery. Very simple to do
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Unlock can also mean bootloader unlocking so you can flash/boot from custom recoveries, ROMs, kernels etc (the previous poster was referring to SIM unlocking).
It's just as easy to root, simply install/flash SuperSU via recovery though ChainsDD's Superuser works as well.
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Just want to clarify, I have not had a nexus device before, but my understanding is that, even on a Nexus, without unlocking the bootloader, one would still need to exploit and mount system as RW first to install SU.
USSENTERNCC1701E said:
Just want to clarify, I have not had a nexus device before, but my understanding is that, even on a Nexus, without unlocking the bootloader, one would still need to exploit and mount system as RW first to install SU.
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Without unlocking the bootloader, it's much more difficult to root and as you said, one would need to use an exploit and then do as you have said. However, Nexus devices do come with the luxury of unlockable bootloaders for a multitude of reasons .
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Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
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I think Chainfire meant that in case you wanted to switch from Superuser to SuperSU or if you're just installing the APK (the application). If you do want to root, you should just flash the zip file found here in a custom recovery which does everything for you.
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Without unlocking the bootloader, it's much more difficult to root and as you said, one would need to use an exploit and then do as you have said. However, Nexus devices do come with the luxury of unlockable bootloaders for a multitude of reasons .
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Thanks. Bytheby, my only experience in the past with non-hack bootloader unlocking is with HTCunlock. Have past nexus devices had a permanent watermark even after relocking? I'm hoping that's not the case, cause extensive googling does not have anyone explicitly saying one way or the other, so maybe only HTC is that jacked.
I just want to clear up some terminology to stop people getting confused...
Bootloader a.k.a HBoot - This is the piece of software that runs before anything else on the phone. It basically packages it all up, tells what to run in what order e.t.c Every computer device has a bootloader in some form or another, be it an Android Phone, iPhone, Windows PC, iMac e.t.c. The HBoot is accessible by switching your phone off, then holding down volume down as you turn it back on. The first line of the HBoot will tell you if you are S-OFF or S-ON.
Recovery - The recovery is the piece of software that allows us to write files to partitions while they aren't being used. It is the portal to allow us to flash custom ROM's and kernels. There are custom recoveries with more options than the stock such as ClockworkMod.
Superuser a.k.a su or Root - This is a user that is present on all linux distros that allows higher permissions than standard users have access to. Certain apps need superuser permissions to function, such as Titanium Backup.
A bootloader is traditionally locked. This means it stops you from writing to any partition on the device other than data. What is always true of Nexus devices, and now true of most consumer devices, there is an offical method for unlocking the bootloader. With HTC, you have to download some software, with Nexus devices, it is as simple as booting into fastboot mode, and typing the command "fastboot oem unlock" (assuming you have fastboot installed on your connected PC / mac).
Although this unlocks the bootloader (which by the way resets your device to factory settings), you still aren't rooted. You now have the ability to flash images to the previously locked partitions. Once you have access to write to partitions, the easiest method of rooting is installing a custom recovery (fastboot flash recovery recovery.img, and then using that to flash a superuser zip.
There are exploits for rooting, which either eman the recovery partition gets written to without the bootloader unlocking OR the su files get pushed to the system partition while the bootloader is locked. These exploits are more tricky and are getting harder to find, but allow you to gain root access without voiding your warranty.
To answer someone else's question, when you unlocked the bootloader on the Nexus One you got a watermark on the bootsplash, I don't know about any Nexus after that.
EDIT - Unlocked Phone: To throw some further clarification, when people talk about "unlocked phones" what they actually means is carrier. This term pre-dates smartphones, and a locked phone just meant that if you bought your phone through a carrier, you could only use it on their network, so no other SIM would work unless you bought a code off them to unlock it. This only applied to GSM phones (not CDMA) and s still practised today. The Nexus 4 will not be carrier locked wherever you buy it.
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Thanks for the excellent clarification. It's much clearer now.
USSENTERNCC1701E said:
Thanks. Bytheby, my only experience in the past with non-hack bootloader unlocking is with HTCunlock. Have past nexus devices had a permanent watermark even after relocking? I'm hoping that's not the case, cause extensive googling does not have anyone explicitly saying one way or the other, so maybe only HTC is that jacked.
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Both the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 7 don't have anything changed when you unlock the bootloader (apart from an unlocked lock image on the boot screen beneath the Google logo and then it disappears after going to the boot animation). I would assume this was the same with the Nexus S . Also another good thing about Nexus devices is that you can relock the bootloader after unlocking it and it will be back to a stock configuration (assuming you're on the Google-built ROM).
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There won't be anything really out that really requires root, other than TB.
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I beg to differ; DroidWall is the one utility I refuse to live without, and that requires root.
Other than that and TitaniumBackup though, you're quite right; the new stock features of JellyBean mean I likely won't even bother with any major third-party modifications. Indeed, I'm thinking this'll be the first 'phone in many a year which I won't be installing a custom ROM on for at least the first six months of use.
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There won't be anything really out that really requires root, other than TB.
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Lol, the irony is I really only use TB because I'm switching ROMs. I disagree though, I really like the extra customization that comes with a lot of custom ROM's. But I've run phones for a few months with OEM skins, while waiting on an exploit. I agree there won't be a pressing need for root.
I guess you guys like to actually see ads on your phones.
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I guess you guys like to actually see ads on your phones.
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I actually don't find many apps to have very intrusive ads at all. I also feel better knowing I'm not ripping off the devs
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I guess you guys like to actually see ads on your phones.
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I've never actually ended up with an air push app, and the rest of the ads really don't bother me, sometimes I'll go on a clicking spree to support devs. If it really bothers me I buy the full version or uninstall it.
Is there any way to make this work?
Since CF-autoroot doesn't work in nougat, I dunno how to make this work..
I don't know if is even possible, because as soon as i flash TWRP I cannot encrypt it again..
anyone?
For now only way is to install TWRP + SuperSU then flash old recovery
Im not sure but for this process you dont need no-verity-opt-encrypt..
Im on 7.0 Nougat and waiting better way to root it, i dont want custom recovery and i hear when you install TWRP bootloop is granted in 50/50 attempts
Talentooman said:
For now only way is to install TWRP + SuperSU then flash old recovery
Im not sure but for this process you dont need no-verity-opt-encrypt..
Im on 7.0 Nougat and waiting better way to root it, i dont want custom recovery and i hear when you install TWRP bootloop is granted in 50/50 attempts
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But you tried that method? (Flashing TWRP + SuperSU and then back stock recovery)
Crap... Nougat is really nice, but some basic stuff is missing for me... encryption and Xposed
insaned said:
But you tried that method? (Flashing TWRP + SuperSU and then back stock recovery)
Crap... Nougat is really nice, but some basic stuff is missing for me... encryption and Xposed
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im really sad, so i install custom recovery, flash Nougat debloated rom with root preinstalled and now i lose my CSC, *#060# or any other code not working.. im now on 7.0 UK version stock firmware and UUID codes not working ..
Root and encryption aren't working right now. Chainfire (SuperSU Dev) and a few other users are trying to get it to work.
For the time being, the most you can do is use a ROM like Helios and pick the encryption option. You won't have root but you can flash mods to /system in TWRP
My current setup is
Helios
Stock Kernel
Encrypted
Dual Speaker Mod
Private Mode Works
S Health Works
AppLock Works
Android Pay Works
Banking Apps Work
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Root and encryption aren't working right now. Chainfire (SuperSU Dev) and a few other users are trying to get it to work.
For the time being, the most you can do is use a ROM like Helios and pick the encryption option. You won't have root but you can flash mods to /system in TWRP
My current setup is
Helios
Stock Kernel
Encrypted
Dual Speaker Mod
Private Mode Works
S Health Works
AppLock Works
Android Pay Works
Banking Apps Work
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Well, It's an option... the most interesting mods that I used were with Xposed anyway, and for that the wait is going to be longer.
The device not encrypted is not very nice though... I guess eventually I just try it out meanwhile.
Thanks for the heads up @Galactus
Just out of curiosity, why do you guys "insist" on encryption? I still don't understand the repercussions of a decrypted device, let alone those of an encrypted device. I genuinely don't know. This is not a sarcastic or passive aggressive question!
nitrous² said:
Just out of curiosity, why do you guys "insist" on encryption? I still don't understand the repercussions of a decrypted device, let alone those of an encrypted device. I genuinely don't know. This is not a sarcastic or passive aggressive question!
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Mainly data protection.
If my phone is stolen with encryption, once the thief turns the phone off that is it. The phone won't even fully load without my password. Sure, he can fully wipe the phone but this will also delete all of my data. Once reported stolen, it will simply be an expensive media player. Nougat also doesn't let you turn the phone off by using the power button unless you enter the phones password, so that helps using Android device manager or say Cerberus to locate the phone or enable it to play a loud alert
Without encryption. The thief can simply go into TWRP and take all the data
How about sd card encryption? Is this also not possible with rooted nougat? I just tried it and am stuck at the "checking sd card" message since hours. However the device is still working.
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
LionLorena said:
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Nothing else only warranty
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LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, I don't think rooting affects your anti-theft protection (I recall it's called Factory Reset Protection?). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Also, if you're logged into your device at the time, you could still locate and wipe your phone via Android Device Manager.
Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, rooting shouldn't disable your anti-theft protection (which I recall is Factory Reset Protection). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
LionLorena said:
Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
LionLorena said:
Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
zeomal said:
There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
LionLorena said:
That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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The OTA updates are one of the reasons, yes.
And yes, from that point of view you are right.
I'm currently using some tracking solutions such as Cerberus, and disabling some features while the phone screen is locked, such as quick settings, and power off menu.
Also the extra layer of security imposed by Google version of iCloud, passes me some sense of safety.
The main thing that bothers me related to custom recovery is that the attacker can replace my software entirely.
While with stock I can have some time to recover the device using the tactics. Enabled.
And root could potentially aid me in that, I could add Cerberus to /system and etc.
You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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thats why i'm thinking 3 times before doing it.
I've managed to install TWRP - ver twrp-3.1.1-0-gracelte.img.tar (for N7) via Odin. Straightforward. Could access recovery, but need now to work out how to deal with encryption in order to make backup. Any help would be appreciated.
We're on our way!
Great job keep us posted
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I've managed to install TWRP - ver twrp-3.1.1-0-gracelte.img.tar (for N7) via Odin. Straightforward. Could access recovery, but need now to work out how to deal with encryption in order to make backup. Any help would be appreciated.
We're on our way!
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I think you would need a boot.img that disables it. Or you can disable encryption manually and erase all data to keep it disabled.
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I've managed to install TWRP - ver twrp-3.1.1-0-gracelte.img.tar (for N7) via Odin. Straightforward. Could access recovery, but need now to work out how to deal with encryption in order to make backup. Any help would be appreciated.
We're on our way!
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@jcadduono can help you to have a perfect job about TWRP ...
Ask him on irc ...
Backup failed because /data cannot be mounted, which suggests a mismatch twixt TWRP and device. Decided to push on and try to root. This failed, so that stock firmware had to be installed. I've hacked a number of phones and tabs here, so I was itching to see what could be done with existing N7 mods. Now I know.
It looks as though we need recovery etc specific to FE. Not sure we will have the numbers for it, though. If anyone has any ideas...
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I've managed to install TWRP - ver twrp-3.1.1-0-gracelte.img.tar (for N7) via Odin. Straightforward. Could access recovery, but need now to work out how to deal with encryption in order to make backup. Any help would be appreciated.
We're on our way!
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Your a brave man for trying this and the first to do so on here so thank you!.
As for the encryption on all the last few sammy devices ive had/have including the original Note 7 once you flash twrp you have to format data in twrp (not wipe mind you...format) to remove encryption.
We also had to then flash a zip to deal with dm verity but now SU does that anyway and also keeps the device decrypted when you reboot.
Id hazard a guess and say if you formatted and flashed SU this might actually work.
Now that we know flashing twrp (which was my main worry) and then odin stock without any issues this just got alot less risky.
sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, S7 edge or S6
Well I'm traveling now and will give this a go when I return home. Question: does DM Verity and Magic's or SU root require a a Note FR boot image to work or can they simply patch the boot image?
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Your a brave man for trying this and the first to do so on here so thank you!.
As for the encryption on all the last few sammy devices ive had/have including the original Note 7 once you flash twrp you have to format data in twrp (not wipe mind you...format) to remove encryption.
We also had to then flash a zip to deal with dm verity but now SU does that anyway and also keeps the device decrypted when you reboot.
Id hazard a guess and say if you formatted and flashed SU this might actually work.
Now that we know flashing twrp (which was my main worry) and then odin stock without any issues this just got alot less risky.
sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, S7 edge or S6
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Ah, I followed directions I found on the N7 forum, from which I assumed that SU would do the encryption. This is the first time I have come up against this barrier. I was resigned to possibly not having root, but from what you say I now think we might well manage it.
I've had a number of narrow shaves with various devices, so I felt that I could find my way out of any difficulty I encountered hacking the FE (maybe just fool's luck) . While cortez.i will try it at some stage, I am tempted to dive back in and see what happens.
Incidentally, sammobile didn't have the K variant firmware (may have now). I found it through google on a vietnamese site.
Just found this comprehensive guide to removing dm-verity:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/disable-dm-verity-forced-encryption-galaxy-note-7/
Posting this separately.
FE WILL ROOT!
Factory reset is automatic (with less KT bloat, for some reason).
Titanuim can uninstall apps. But Adaway cannot copy edited hosts file. Sdfix cannot release the card: says there are no groups in WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE. Keep getting a security warning with each reboot from security log agent, but no action on reboot. Hopefully, all this can be sorted.
Finally, TWRP backup successful. Assume for now that it would restore, if needed.
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Posting this separately.
FE WILL ROOT!
Factory reset is automatic (with less KT bloat, for some reason).
Titanuim can uninstall apps. But Adaway cannot copy edited hosts file. Sdfix cannot release the card: says there are no groups in WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE. Keep getting a security warning with each reboot from security log agent, but no action on reboot. Hopefully, all this can be sorted.
Finally, TWRP backup successful. Assume for now that it would restore, if needed.
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You are THE MAN !!!!
WOOOOOOOOOO
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You are THE MAN !!!!
WOOOOOOOOOO
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I second that!
You shoukd be able to freeze security log agent with TIBU or package disabler pro to get rid of that message
force70 said:
I second that!
You shoukd be able to freeze security log agent with TIBU or package disabler pro to get rid of that message
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I uninstalled the log agent with Titanium, ripped out all the Knox, still getting that message. I think I'll backup progress so far and restart FE from within the warning message and see what happens...**
Thank you both for the kudos. But some work still to be done. I'm finding some apps won't start - unfortunately some of them important. It's OK for now - I'm not using the FE yet - but need to get some real benefits from root, otherwise it's back to stock with Adhell (tho' I'd say sammy will spike that soon). Maybe folk with more tech xp than I have can work out what's wrong here.
**Restart from within Security boots into Recovery - in this case TWRP. Looks like a response to the decrypted state, and is set off by any root level action. Can we get rid of this?
zamzenos said:
Posting this separately.
FE WILL ROOT!
Factory reset is automatic (with less KT bloat, for some reason).
Titanuim can uninstall apps. But Adaway cannot copy edited hosts file. Sdfix cannot release the card: says there are no groups in WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE. Keep getting a security warning with each reboot from security log agent, but no action on reboot. Hopefully, all this can be sorted.
Finally, TWRP backup successful. Assume for now that it would restore, if needed.
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which root package did you use, Magix or SU and did you have to use no verity disable zip?
EDIT: Nevermind, i'm rooted with SuperSU. have a 4 hour plane ride home so i'll have plenty time to checkout root before i get home..
cortez.i said:
which root package did you use, Magix or SU and did you have to use no verity disable zip?
EDIT: Nevermind, i'm rooted with SuperSU. have a 4 hour plane ride home so i'll have plenty time to checkout root before i get home..
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Just curious if Knox is now tripped,by using SU ?
For myself,I'm not too worried about it either way,but,those interested in root may want to know,for future Samsung Pay use/possible resale value loss due to Knox 0x1/etc....
KOLIOSIS said:
Just curious if Knox is now tripped,by using SU ?
For myself,I'm not too worried about it either way,but,those interested in root may want to know,for future Samsung Pay use/possible resale value loss due to Knox 0x1/etc....
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Yes sir as soon as you flash twrp its tripped.
And we need twrp for SU so no way around it.
sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, S7 edge or S6
force70 said:
Yes sir as soon as you flash twrp its tripped.
And we need twrp for SU so no way around it.
sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, S7 edge or S6
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I figured that much hadn't changed since I last rooted/ROM'd a Samsung device,thanks for confirming. :good:
Again,for myself,it's not much of an issue,I plan on keeping this phone for the long haul (at least 1-2 yrs) & loss of Samsung Pay/Android Pay is of no consequence to me.
KOLIOSIS said:
I figured that much hadn't changed since I last rooted/ROM'd a Samsung device,thanks for confirming. :good:
Again,for myself,it's not much of an issue,I plan on keeping this phone for the long haul (at least 1-2 yrs) & loss of Samsung Pay/Android Pay is of no consequence to me.
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Ive never cared about knox either....and this phone I will keep until it dies or I do lol
force70 said:
Ive never cared about knox either....and this phone I will keep until it dies or I do lol
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LMFAO,let's hope for the former................... :highfive:
so... after renaming SecurityLogAgent.apk from TWRP, i've had no problems running root apps, modifying build.prop, etc. google Adaway Vesion 3.2 and install this version and it will configure hosts files without issue (at least on my device). will continue testing and report findings should things changes. thanks @zamzenos for risking your device to confirm that the Note 7 version of TWRP is working.
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so... after renaming SecurityLogAgent.apk from TWRP, i've had no problems running root apps, modifying build.prop, etc. google Adaway Vesion 3.2 and install this version and it will configure hosts files without issue (at least on my device). will continue testing and report findings should things changes. thanks @zamzenos for risking your device to confirm that the Note 7 version of TWRP is working.
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The Adaway update worked. Thanks for that. I followed the N7 forum guide, except that I formatted data using TWRP, and used SU as advised. I uninstalled the log agent with Titanium (and as much of Knox as I could find). I no longer get security notifications, but something is still being tripped by any root activity. The apps that won't start don't require root, for instance, Adobe Reader, and sms and call log restore apps. I cannot see any common cause here. SDfix (latest version) says it can't find any groups, so can't do its work.
I'll nose around the S7 & 8 forums and see if any of these problems are turning up there (dev on the N7 was seriously interrupted by the problems caused by sammy's battery restrictions).
As a US customer, I'm hesitant to unlock the bootloader and lose warranty after owning the phone for less than 48 hours. My last phone died due to a power button failure that happened a month after the warranty ran out. I'll probably eventually start flashing roms and all that fun, but for now I'm going to keep it boring and stock for at least a little bit.
I want to made a minor modification to the build.prop file, but I understand I need root access to save it again. Or, I can do it through TWRP's mount over USB, but that would also require the bootloader to be unlocked. I know in the past I've had phones that allowed temporary root with some sort of exploit or another, and would persist until reboot at least. Is there anything like that on the Moto G5+? Or am I stuck voiding my warranty for one measly line of text in a file?
Dishe said:
As a US customer, I'm hesitant to unlock the bootloader and lose warranty after owning the phone for less than 48 hours. My last phone died due to a power button failure that happened a month after the warranty ran out. I'll probably eventually start flashing roms and all that fun, but for now I'm going to keep it boring and stock for at least a little bit.
I want to made a minor modification to the build.prop file, but I understand I need root access to save it again. Or, I can do it through TWRP's mount over USB, but that would also require the bootloader to be unlocked. I know in the past I've had phones that allowed temporary root with some sort of exploit or another, and would persist until reboot at least. Is there anything like that on the Moto G5+? Or am I stuck voiding my warranty for one measly line of text in a file?
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There is no known way to achieve root access without unlocking the bootloader, sorry.
Alright. Well, I guess I can always just unlock the bootloader to install TWRP, but don't bother rooting. I can mount and update the build.prop from the TWRP screen I believe.
I've heard that rooting causes some issues with OTA updates and passing safetynet. If I just unlock and replace the bootloader, will it effect those things as well? Or is that only for rooting?
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Alright. Well, I guess I can always just unlock the bootloader to install TWRP, but don't bother rooting. I can mount and update the build.prop from the TWRP screen I believe.
I've heard that rooting causes some issues with OTA updates and passing safetynet. If I just unlock and replace the bootloader, will it effect those things as well? Or is that only for rooting?
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I don't think you understand, ANY change to the system, even just mounting /system read-write which TWRP would have to do to make changes, can cause any future OTA update to fail... Maybe... We don't what the OTA update script checks exactly as it isn't the same every time.
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I don't think you understand, ANY change to the system, even just mounting /system read-write which TWRP would have to do to make changes, can cause any future OTA update to fail... Maybe... We don't what the OTA update script checks exactly as it isn't the same every time.
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Shoot, that's messed up.
I already unlocked bootloader and booted in twrp (didn't flash into it though), but I'm stuck anyway where it keeps asking for a password I didn't set up in order to make changes to system. So you're saying once I get past that step, it might already break OTA??
Shoot.
Dishe said:
Shoot, that's messed up.
I already unlocked bootloader and booted in twrp (didn't flash into it though), but I'm stuck anyway where it keeps asking for a password I didn't set up in order to make changes to system. So you're saying once I get past that step, it might already break OTA??
Shoot.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I can't remember on this device if the password is your PIN or you have to flash the dm-verity decrypt patch to get past that though.
Unlocking the Bootloader by itself won't effect OTA updates that we have seen, but we do know the script is capable of checking that... So, yeah.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I can't remember on this device if the password is your PIN or you have to flash the dm-verity decrypt patch to get past that though.
Unlocking the Bootloader by itself won't effect OTA updates that we have seen, but we do know the script is capable of checking that... So, yeah.
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So just swiping yes to modify system in TWRP does something that the OTA script detects? Even if I don't actually do any modifications?
I guess I don't really care that much as long as I'm still notified that there's an update and can do it manually. I'm just worried because I found a thread about the most recent update, and it seems folks who were rooted and/or otherwise had OTA fail had a hard time nailing down a reliable way to apply the update to their phones. Will this be a problem going forward?
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So just swiping yes to modify system in TWRP does something that the OTA script detects? Even if I don't actually do any modifications?
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most times the script checks whether the md5 of the system partition has been changed
so as long as you dont modify anything on the system partition OTA should work fine
any small change to system partition will break future OTA
ckret said:
most times the script checks whether the md5 of the system partition has been changed
so as long as you dont modify anything on the system partition OTA should work fine
any small change to system partition will break future OTA
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Aw man, so one build.prop line added will mess it up. Welp, guess I'm not going to get OTA either way now. I'll just reflash to stock if/when an update comes out, or flash the update directly if someone makes it available when it happens. Its worth it to bypass Moto's crummy camera processing.