So from what I am reading on this forum, my Xoom will not play HD Video? Or will not play it very easily? This is disappointing.
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JOHNGAETANO said:
So from what I am reading on this forum, my Xoom will not play HD Video? Or will not play it very easily? This is disappointing.
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You didn't read very far.
It will play HD video. It just wont play all HD video or common encodes of HD video or high quality HD video. All HD video isn't created equal. The Tegra 2 is actually incapable of decoding above L4.1 h.264, so any video above that, which is all 1080p that you can download and a good 70% of 720p, wont play without being converted.
It was easy for me. I currently have Avatar, District 9, and Serenity in 720P on my Xoom.
When you don't have apple forcing you 1 way sometimes that is the byproduct
4k recording is on lte not in 3g.is it true?
if 3g version dosnot have 4k recording then ..there will b patch to record 4k records?let me know
Snap Processor - LTE & 4K recording
Octa Processor - More Ram & 4 Cores but no LTE or 4k
It boils down to processors not 3g
Nope, there will never be any patch. Hardware limitation.
BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
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BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
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May be he has. May be does not. Who cares? Let technology spread out. Otherwise we would have stuck with 3GP and low bitrate MP4s.
I totally agree 4k content atm really rare but so did 1080p. Did people sat idle and stuck with 3GP recording in the fear that OMG! 1080p is so huge!!!!!!! I would not buy a 64 GB card for that.
4k is a nice addition. And to your other point-before 1080p displays came out all the 720p display like S3 were able to shoot and playback 1080p. Did anyone question why 1080p on a 720p native display? No.
I have seen two 4k samples and yes I am excited. Specially from the phonearena sample the moving tree leaves looked outstandingly crisp. And if I am the one out of 10 million people who cares about 4k it wont stuck with me forever. With more devices gonna have 4k native [already started to] display and storage like 128 GB 4k will become regular thing. And to be regular stuff like 1080ps or 720ps initiatives like this will naturally occur.
People just cannot keep other people discouraged from a nice tech evolution. If they would succeed people would never move beyond 2 GB memory card and low bitrate 3GP or .rmv video contents and shoot straight out the people who consume ogg music files.
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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXiWGD18N3c
Costco had a 4k TV playing the same movie as a 1080p TV and I could genuinely tell the difference. But unfortunately my wallet is a bit too small to early adopt the 4k TV's right now
I'm as much for future-proofing as anyone else here. But where is 4K content coming from and how's it being delivered? Content upscaled to 4K (EG: HD TV/Movies originally captured in 720/1080P) aren't going to look any better than they would on a 720P/1080P TV or monitor. They’ll most likely look worse. 4K content is huge. All the ISPs are already *****ing about what video's doing to their networks. How long did it take for Blu-Ray to become a standard? And the only Blu-Ray that looked good was what was natively captured in HD not the upscaled crap like 50's I love Lucy episodes. So for 4K to become meaningful content producers need to start capturing in it. That 'aint gonna be happening fast as the only ones that benefit from 4K as it stands are the TV manufacturers and they aren't significant enough in the food chain to drive standards forward. So we'll probably all be on the Note 4 (and more likely the N5) when UHD (4K) gains any real traction. Because traction requires native content.
So would I want 4K in the N3? Sure, who wouldn't want extra "cool" stuff for the same price. Would I ever use it to record anything? No, the files are huge and would have to be downscaled to my 1080P TVs, monitors, and devices making natively captured 1080P look better anyway. Am I going to run out and buy 4K playback devices? Absolutely. As soon as at least 1/3 of the content I playback is available in UHD.
An interesting article...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
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i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
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Wow 4k looks really nice. Phonearena posted the sample 4k video but it was useless because youtube converts it to 1080p. The native 1080p video that they posted looked better than 4k on youtube. I can't wait to use 4k. It might not be every time I go to record something but if I love being able to have that option.
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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
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It amazes me how short-sighted some people are to say stuff like that. You and Clariion, 2 posts above you, as well as many other people in different threads...Videos, recorded with your phone's camcorder are memories for life. Do you record something only to watch it right away and be done with, never watch it again? 20 years ago, when there was only VHS available - if someone offered you a device, which can record video in DVD quality, would you say "no" to that, because your current TV can only play VHS resolution?...
You're saying "I don't want to record much better quality video just because right now I don't have a TV, that can play it." . In a few years 4k TVs will be a standard in every house, and you'll be watching your wedding's video in sh*itty 1080p, because you chose not to get 4k camcorder just because you didnt have a playback device for it at the time...
I can't believe some of you don't see the benefits of 4k even if you plan on never getting a 4k TV. While recording in 4k, just your ability to digitally zoom while maintaining excellent quality should be worth the feature being present. It's basically lossless digital zoom (up to a point of course.) I can't imagine anyone not wanting that.
Hey guys, after repeatedly spending a considerable amount of hours trying to find specifics on the Shield's HEVC/H265 capabilities, I remembered I'm an XDA member and decided to query your collective wisdom here.
Here's my situation, I'll be thankful for your help:
I'v got a growing library of video encoded with HEVC/H265, with max resolution of 3840x2160 @ 60fps.
My encodes are of varying complexity, the highest complexity so far being '[email protected]@Main' according to MediaInfo.
As I do a lot of encoding myself it is possible the encodes will get more complex and will move up to a higher tier and/or level.
My TV has HDMI 2.0 ports and supports 3840x2160 @ 60fps, no 3D.
What I'm looking for is a box that can smoothly play anything my TV can display, specifically video encoded in HEVC/H265. Basically something I can buy and don't have to replace until I also buy a better TV. All around the web I find great reviews about how the Shield has full HEVC/H265 support, but I seem to be unable to find what 'full support' really means here. Even NVIDIA's own whitepaper on the Tegra X1 is sorely lacking this information. There are competing products, most notably by Minix, that also tout full HEVC/H265 support. But in actual tests of use noticeable frame-drops occur with UHD videos and this is unacceptable to me. I've been unable to find reviews that test the playback of UHD video encoded in HEVC/H265 on the Shield thoroughly. The reviews I do find just report that UHD playback is smooth, and move on.
So, what I really need to know is what is the most demanding HEVC/H265(please report tier and level, plus resolution and framerate) you've played on the Shield, and how did it fare? Were there any frame drops, or stutters? Or is the Tegra X1 in the Shield really as good as I keep reading everywhere? How full is 'full support' really, that's what I'm trying to find out.
Hopefully your answers will help me decide whether the Shield really is the perfect companion to my TV, but will also help others with the same video-related questions.
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I found a sample vid online. It's on this page and this is a direct link to the vid. It's demo vid for an UHD TV. If anyone could test this on a Shield connected to a UHD TV that supports 60fps, and report the results back here, I'd be very grateful! Basically, if this plays smoothly, I can throw practically any 'normal' HEVC/H265 vid at it.
I played a 1440p H.264 Hi10P 30Hz rip of Berserk with no (perceivable) issues. It did downsample to 1080p for my display, but up until now the only device I own that could play it was my gaming desktop. My work laptop and netbook would stutter with it. The Shield had no problems. Not sure about quality level, but at that resolution I imagine it was at least 5.
I have tested Big Buck Bunny at 4k hevc and done a TON of hevc main10p 1080p with absolutely no chance of getting close to issues. I'd be willing to bet that it would work perfectly. If I have time I'll test the sample, but the only thing that I could not manage to play was a 6K clip I found online, but that was a vram issue, not crunch power, so I'm willing to bet with 95% certainty that it'll be perfect for you.
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I have tested Big Buck Bunny at 4k hevc and done a TON of hevc main10p 1080p with absolutely no chance of getting close to issues. I'd be willing to bet that it would work perfectly. If I have time I'll test the sample, but the only thing that I could not manage to play was a 6K clip I found online, but that was a vram issue, not crunch power, so I'm willing to bet with 95% certainty that it'll be perfect for you.
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My TV can't handle 6K, so that's fine. It would be great if you could test the sample, then I'd truly be sure it can handle everything I could possibly throw at it with my current TV.
Your input so far is greatly appreciated
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Tested the sample, plays absolutely flawlessly as expected.
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Tested the sample, plays absolutely flawlessly as expected.
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Well, should you be an undercover employee of NVIDIA then you've certainly earned a bonus!
Ordering one now, thanks!
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Well, should you be an undercover employee of NVIDIA then you've certainly earned a bonus!
Ordering one now, thanks!
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=WXpuNFg4Ukg1T2drREZxa2tZS0xiN05PTnNNYVRB
Proof in case you didn't believe that I tried it. I don't work for Nvidia, though I do sell them where I work. Not because I'm told to, but they seriously impressed me and that's very hard to do.
I believed you, just ordered one. I've been looking for a good media player and the shield appears to be the only one truly good enough. Competitors say they can play UHD at 60fps, but reviews state that there are noticeable stutters. So that left the shield. Granted, it's more expensive, but I also have compatible NVIDIA cards in my PC and laptop so streaming games makes it worth it for me!
Many thanks!
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=WXpuNFg4Ukg1T2drREZxa2tZS0xiN05PTnNNYVRB
Proof in case you didn't believe that I tried it. I don't work for Nvidia, though I do sell them where I work. Not because I'm told to, but they seriously impressed me and that's very hard to do.
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Just noticed the monitor in your photo, it does not appear to be UHD. But I could be wrong, there are UHD monitors of that size. To be honest, I don't know whether downscaling is harder than rendering at full resolution.
Nevertheless, I'm pretty hopeful it'll work out fine. If not, I'll report back before the end of next week. The shield should be delivered by next Thursday. Can't wait!
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Just noticed the monitor in your photo, it does not appear to be UHD. But I could be wrong, there are UHD monitors of that size. To be honest, I don't know whether downscaling is harder than rendering at full resolution.
Nevertheless, I'm pretty hopeful it'll work out fine. If not, I'll report back before the end of next week. The shield should be delivered by next Thursday. Can't wait!
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You are absolutely correct. It's a 1080p monitor. It's actually harder on the hardware to downscale as it's rendered at full resolution then it has to downscale after. It's known as supersampling. It's a better alternative to anti-aliasing. When the device plays a file, it plays at native res, then has to post process weather it's up or downscale, but playback is native. I can add post processing to see how far it'll stress if you'd like, but it's still so underutilized at 4k HEVC that it'll handle a lot more. There's native hardware decode for HEVC which is why it works as well as it does. I have played 24mb/s 1080p H.264 Hi10p files on here and it played near perfect. Sometimes it would go over 28mb/s and that's when it hit it's limit on h.264 hi10p, but that's with absolutely NO hardware decode as 10bit wasn't supported by hardware till HEVC (main10 vs hi10p).
Let me know how it goes for you. Glad to see there is someone else that plays some extreme media files other than myself.
Cool, thanks. You don't need to stress test it on my account. I don't have any h.264 hi10p encodes, I believe. And if so, no problem. I'm aiming to encode my entire archive to HEVC anyway
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I have my Shield TV connected to a Samsung UHD TV (60HU8550). I downloaded yesterday 4 different versions of the Martian. 3 were 4k (3840*1600, 24fps) and one was 1080p (H264) for comparison purposes. Out of the 3 4k ones:
- one H264 around 48Gb
- one H264 around 25Gb
- one H265 around 5Gb
Kodi on the shield TV played all files beautifully. Smooth, no lag, fast loading times, even when jumping through the movie. There was a noticeable difference between the 1080p and the 4K versions, and I am really excited of 4k rips to finally enjoy 4k content on my TV!! And I am also amazed about the H265 compression ratio / quality! I used to download many 1080p H264 movies weighting around 10Gb, and to find 4k ones for only 5Gb is really amazing. I used to have an MX2 linux box dedicated for Kodi, and bought the shield knowing that the MX2 would not decode H265. The Shield TV has been a wonderful experience so far...I would recommended it to anyone.
Thanks, I'm getting even more excited now. H265 can maintain the same quality at roughly a little over half the size. I'm a big fan, though encoding takes quite some time.
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Thanks, I'm getting even more excited now. H265 can maintain the same quality at roughly a little over half the size. I'm a big fan, though encoding takes quite some time.
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I wasn't stressing it for you on the hi10p actually. That's my norm when it came to things before HEVC. I watch a lot of anime and colorbanding bugs the CRAP out of me, so I only do 10bit video, so I was thrilled for HEVC getting main10 and hardware decode. That being said, there is a massive drop in file size for the same quality, along with the hardware decode. One thing to watch out for though I found is sometimes HEVC performs worse (visually) depending on the content. I have the anime movie "Garden of Words) using what should be very similar encodes, one h.264 hi10p and one HEVC main10. The main10 doesn't have the same quality in some scenes and has more visual flaws. That's the only one that I have found an issue with, but the rain scenes just destroy HEVC for some reason. It's amazing to have, but I'm glad that h.264 hi10p plays amazingly for those rare occurrences. To quote the team that released that encode "There is a reason for not using HEVC encode: x265 performs very bad on scenes like rain-dropping or snowing, and this movie just have enough of those scenes." Yes, I do legally own the blu-ray of this media, their encode was just better than mine, but I digress.
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I wasn't stressing it for you on the hi10p actually. That's my norm when it came to things before HEVC. I watch a lot of anime and colorbanding bugs the CRAP out of me, so I only do 10bit video, so I was thrilled for HEVC getting main10 and hardware decode. That being said, there is a massive drop in file size for the same quality, along with the hardware decode. One thing to watch out for though I found is sometimes HEVC performs worse (visually) depending on the content. I have the anime movie "Garden of Words) using what should be very similar encodes, one h.264 hi10p and one HEVC main10. The main10 doesn't have the same quality in some scenes and has more visual flaws. That's the only one that I have found an issue with, but the rain scenes just destroy HEVC for some reason. It's amazing to have, but I'm glad that h.264 hi10p plays amazingly for those rare occurrences. To quote the team that released that encode "There is a reason for not using HEVC encode: x265 performs very bad on scenes like rain-dropping or snowing, and this movie just have enough of those scenes." Yes, I do legally own the blu-ray of this media, their encode was just better than mine, but I digress.
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That is kind of odd, HEVC should be able to at least match AVC/H264, regardless of profile. However, as I encode myself, it is true that the open source HEVC encoder is still relatively new(x265). It's still under heavy development, but still a far cry from how optimised the open source AVC encoder is (x264). This translates to (far) longer encoding times, and fewer available options. Let me give you an example, I have a setting for AVC which I call 'Super Quality'. If I use it to encode a 1080p BluRay movie(90-120 minutes), that'll take around 8 hours. Since HEVC and AVC use similar command-line switches, I've also got a 'Super Quality' setting for HEVC that's virtually identical. If I use the HEVC 'Super Quality' setting to encode an episode of a given show(40-50 minutes), that takes around 24 hours! The system I use has an i7 which runs at 4Ghz, so it's not my system lacking power. So, for now, if you want the best control over your encode, as well as good speed, AVC is still the way to go.
I imagine rain scenes are hard because the HEVC encoding library can't handle them properly yet(or requires disproportionate amount of time), but that should change. It's probably a macro-block issue. If you watch a lot of anime(I don't, though I do have quite a bit of it) you'll love the more modern profiles HEVC has. It has profiles that support more than 10bits colours, for instance.
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That is kind of odd, HEVC should be able to at least match AVC/H264, regardless of profile. However, as I encode myself, it is true that the open source HEVC encoder is still relatively new(x265). It's still under heavy development, but still a far cry from how optimised the open source AVC encoder is (x264). This translates to (far) longer encoding times, and fewer available options. Let me give you an example, I have a setting for AVC which I call 'Super Quality'. If I use it to encode a 1080p BluRay movie(90-120 minutes), that'll take around 8 hours. Since HEVC and AVC use similar command-line switches, I've also got a 'Super Quality' setting for HEVC that's virtually identical. If I use the HEVC 'Super Quality' setting to encode an episode of a given show(40-50 minutes), that takes around 24 hours! The system I use has an i7 which runs at 4Ghz, so it's not my system lacking power. So, for now, if you want the best control over your encode, as well as good speed, AVC is still the way to go.
I imagine rain scenes are hard because the HEVC encoding library can't handle them properly yet(or requires disproportionate amount of time), but that should change. It's probably a macro-block issue. If you watch a lot of anime(I don't, though I do have quite a bit of it) you'll love the more modern profiles HEVC has. It has profiles that support more than 10bits colours, for instance.
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Completely agree. Most have switched to HEVC, and I am also, just wanted to let you know that there are some limitations to HEVC, and from my research you are most likely right on the nail. The macro-block code is in need of looking at when it comes to rain and whatnot, but even if that's the only downside, it excels massively and has hardware support. I've encoded an a 4.7GHz 8 core intel, all 16 threads, and I know how insane the encode times are. Well worth the time for archival purposes though, just have to do test encodes when I'm unsure if it's the right tool for the right job. When it's not, dang does it require some massive performance to play back hi10p files. Eh, tradeoffs
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I found a sample vid online. It's on this page and this is a direct link to the vid. It's demo vid for an UHD TV. If anyone could test this on a Shield connected to a UHD TV that supports 60fps, and report the results back here, I'd be very grateful! Basically, if this plays smoothly, I can throw practically any 'normal' HEVC/H265 vid at it.
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The sample played back perfectly on the shield to my sony xbr55x850b (4k TV).
I went through several chinese 4k boxes and the fire TV 2 before eventually forking out the extra cash for the Shield TV. It was the only box that could play everything I threw at it.
Hey guys, I'm checking in with my experience so far.
It's splendid! I've had the Shield for close to a week now, and it has been able to play everything so far. This challenges me to find its limits, and I'll report back should I have found them!
Thanks to all who were willing to help me before, you've helped me made a good purchase.
good choice!
Hi,
I have been searching for a good VR experience. I have found the game Inmind as well as a video from GE (in the NYT VR app) which are definately my winners up to know.
Which are your favourites? what video or game should i definitely not miss?
V-incent said:
Hi,
I have been searching for a good VR experience. I have found the game Inmind as well as a video from GE (in the NYT VR app) which are definately my winners up to know.
Which are your favourites? what video or game should i definitely not miss?
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You may try some 3d movies
You can try video player with YouTube support, play the 3D or 360 videos.
My best pick is Solar system VR.. Earth imagery is amazing!!
Try TrinusVR and play any PC game in VR. Thats the best experience i've made with my S5.
You can emulate with this a HTC Vive and play the Steam VR games or try the ShowdownVR DEMO. They are far better than any MobileVR App so far.
Watch the insidious apk on google play. One of the best ive seen.
Here is my list of my favorite Cardboard games:
Trinus VR
Proton Pulse
Hidden Temple
I See Ooo VR
Relax VR
VR Tank
Also, you can find my review on each of that games on my blog here
Enjoy !
Search for "NOMone VR Browser" on google play. Now you can see enjoy surfing the web in VR or just watch any video/ movie as if you are in a cinema . Or if you are into reading manga , I think it's gonna be a good experience .