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Now that Joying seems to be pretty close to the release of their RK3188 version of Android 5.1.1 lollipop, do you think we could start some kind of petition to them to upgrade to RK3288? maybe it wont be so hard after all the development done to bring 5.1.1 over RK3188, since RK3188 dont have official support for lollipop they are using an old kernel and more than likely RK3288 code that has official lollipop support from Rockchip, like other custom lollipop roms for the RK3188 out there.
May be if we show them that there is a real demand, they will go for it, after all, the demand for lollipop made them create this hybrid rom for backward compatibility with their existent hardware, wich could be a lot harder that work on an already officialy supported SoM with and SDK.
I know that SoM swaps have been done before from Rk3066 to RK3188 and the gains where huge... so why change the whole Head Unit when we just need a new SoM, also I've heard of providers that actually sell the replacement SoM from RK3066 to RK3188... so why not try between many of us to ask for this next step from Joying, with faster Boot times(this is a must), more CPU processing power, more RAM and better GPU?
What do you think?
I'm very curious about this as well
rubenjavier said:
Now that Joying seems to be pretty close to the release of their RK3188 version of Android 5.1.1 lollipop, do you think we could start some kind of petition to them to upgrade to RK3288? maybe it wont be so hard after all the development done to bring 5.1.1 over RK3188, since RK3188 dont have official support for lollipop they are using an old kernel and more than likely RK3288 code that has official lollipop support from Rockchip, like other custom lollipop roms for the RK3188 out there.
May be if we show them that there is a real demand, they will go for it, after all, the demand for lollipop made them create this hybrid rom for backward compatibility with their existent hardware, wich could be a lot harder that work on an already officialy supported SoM with and SDK.
I know that SoM swaps have been done before from Rk3066 to RK3188 and the gains where huge... so why change the whole Head Unit when we just need a new SoM, also I've heard of providers that actually sell the replacement SoM from RK3066 to RK3188... so why not try between many of us to ask for this next step from Joying, with faster Boot times(this is a must), more CPU processing power, more RAM and better GPU?
What do you think?
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Excellent idea. I just sent away a Facebook message to Joying asking them about this.
RK3288 would indeed be a major upgrade. Cortex A9->Cortex A17, Mali 400 -> 700 series, dual channel DDR3, eMMC4.5 and most likely Bluetooth 4.x support etc.
If you want a real upgrade, get them to move away from Rockchip all together.
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If you want a real upgrade, get them to move away from Rockchip all together.
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Any suggestions?
Joying doesn't make the SoM's, it's Rockchip that places them on the market . basically no head unit manufacturer can make more than a carrier board, they do not have the knowledge for more.
They sell RK3288 SoM upgrades: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Firefly-RK3288-Reload-CoreBoard-Quad-core-A17-1-8GHz-Support-Ubuntu-Android-HDMI2-0-4K/32626693047.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10000560_10000606_10000561_10000073_10130_10000074_10000608_10000709_10000660_10000704_10000703_10000175_10000509_10000507_10000505_10000558_10136_10000068_10000552_10000369_10000063_10000365_10000367_10099_10000663_10000665_10096_10000669_10000569_10000097_10000094_10000337_10000723_10000090_10000147_10000091_10000726_10000144_10000339_10000729_10000150_10000679_10084_10000678_10083_10000676_10080_10000153_10000673_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10000535_10114_10000534_10000089_10000086_10000710_10000083_10000349_10000690_10000135_10000716_10000693_10000080_10078_10000717_10079_10077_10000688_10073_10000684_10000140_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124_10000546_10065_10068_10000746_10000782_10000743_10000132_10000033_10000786_10000030_10000026_10000126_10000023_10000129_433_10000123_10000696_10060_10062_10000699_10056_10055_10054_10000632_302_10059_10000738_10000120_10000774_10000734_10000020_10000778_10000013_10000117_10103_10102_10000016_10000114_10000111_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000621_10000384_10000763_10000629_10000766_10000101_10000100_10000576_10000770_10000579_10000104_10000045_10000578_10000375_10000108_10000377_10000758_10000612_10000390_10000613_10000042_10000750_10000592_10000754_10000594_10000039_10000587_10000036_10000389_10000187,searchweb201603_9,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_price_desc&btsid=ef5e601f-b560-425f-a799-d4145b3ca2f9&algo_expid=54085468-96d0-47dd-9e78-ef975803d812-1&algo_pvid=54085468-96d0-47dd-9e78-ef975803d812 Couldn't you just swap them without any trouble?
Would that fit a Rk3066 800x480 MTCB unit?
Hi everyone,
I'm looking to buy my first HU and after reading the forums for a while I'm undecided what to pick.
It looks like the Intel Sofia platform is the current recommendation - it comes with 2gb, the CPU is powerful enough and it has some support for fastboot. However from what I can tell there's no custom ROM for it (Malaysk is only for RK3x88 series) which is kinda of a big minus for me (since one is at the mercy of the seller).
Am I missing something? From what I can tell the RK3188 and Sofia CPUs are more or less identical in terms of performance, the RAM being the big difference.
I'm looking for stability (not going to play games or videos on the HU - I just want waze and probably the radio) first so a slower, older CPU with a solid community and ROM behind it fits my list.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
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Hi everyone,
I'm looking to buy my first HU and after reading the forums for a while I'm undecided what to pick.
It looks like the Intel Sofia platform is the current recommendation - it comes with 2gb, the CPU is powerful enough and it has some support for fastboot. However from what I can tell there's no custom ROM for it (Malaysk is only for RK3x88 series) which is kinda of a big minus for me (since one is at the mercy of the seller).
Am I missing something? From what I can tell the RK3188 and Sofia CPUs are more or less identical in terms of performance, the RAM being the big difference.
I'm looking for stability (not going to play games or videos on the HU - I just want waze and probably the radio) first so a slower, older CPU with a solid community and ROM behind it fits my list.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
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Theres no "current recommendation", its all down to personal opinion. The Sofia units are ok (both MTCD and "009" versions), so are the Rockchip RK3188 MTCB/C/D ones which bring the benefit of custom ROMs. The Rockchip ones dont come with 2GB as standard and (in Lollipop guise at least) they need it, but that can be added relatively easily. However, the latest MTCD versions and Klyde's versions (probably MTCC but no ones sure at the mo) use the octacore Rockchip PX5 (RK3368) so should offer better performance than the Sofia or RK3188 units.
Your only option for custom ROMs at least at the moment are the RK3188 units. Another benefit of the MTCB/C type is that theres a particularly good audio mod that gives control of the audio chip to Android, although youd have to be able to solder to do it.
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Theres no "current recommendation", its all down to personal opinion. The Sofia units are ok (both MTCD and "009" versions), so are the Rockchip RK3188 MTCB/C/D ones which bring the benefit of custom ROMs. The Rockchip ones dont come with 2GB as standard and (in Lollipop guise at least) they need it, but that can be added relatively easily. However, the latest MTCD versions and Klyde's versions (probably MTCC but no ones sure at the mo) use the octacore Rockchip PX5 (RK3368) so should offer better performance than the Sofia or RK3188 units.
Your only option for custom ROMs at least at the moment are the RK3188 units. Another benefit of the MTCB/C type is that theres a particularly good audio mod that gives control of the audio chip to Android, although youd have to be able to solder to do it.
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Thanks for the reply. Soldering extra RAM is not something I can do easy - I lack expertise and getting hardware in EU tends to be expensive and slow; I'd much rather pay extra (and wait) to have it built in the factory.
I'll keep an eye on the RK3368 boards.
Any idea whether these would be ROM friendly ?
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Thanks for the reply. Soldering extra RAM is not something I can do easy - I lack expertise and getting hardware in EU tends to be expensive and slow; I'd much rather pay extra (and wait) to have it built in the factory.
I'll keep an eye on the RK3368 boards.
Any idea whether these would be ROM friendly ?
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I m in the EU and I got my RAM for about $30 in the group buy, theres a thread open at the mo, they took 3 days to arrive. It would just be a case of finding somewhere to do the soldering for you, thats what most people have done.
If the Klyde PX5 units are MTCC it should mean that anyone with an MTCB or MTCC unit currently could simply change their SoM for a PX5 one, we just dont know yet (the original MTCB units were dual core RK3066 and a lot of people just upgraded their SoMs to the quadcore RK3188). Well, we dont know until someone buys one - theyve been on sale since November, but if they are MTCC an upgrade to a PX5 would be possible if you bought an MTCB or C RK3188 and upgraded the RAM, then youd be able to sell your RK3188 SoM with 2GB RAM as it would be quite sort after due to the extra RAM . . IF theyre MTCC that is.
All that may be a bit long winded for you but at least youd have access to a custom ROM as you wanted with the possibility of upgrading in the future to a version that is more likely to have support from current MTCB custom ROM makers (I m assuming theyd eventually upgrade to PX5 units themselves and start making ROMs for them).
Or you could just buy a Klyde PX5 unit now and have the most up to date unit, but with no custom ROMs support yet :
http://www.szklyde.com/bmw-android-car-dvd-player/38112008.html
If I sound MTCB/C biased, well I have 2 so I am. But from what I ve read the Sofia MTCD and 009 units are good too and at least theoretically easier to make a custom ROM for because Intel release their source code, unlike Rockchip. But no custom ROMs exist as yet.
Thanks again!
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I m in the EU
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Cool - where did you buy your units? Any with warehouses in EU?
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If I sound MTCB/C biased, well I have 2 so I am. But from what I ve read the Sofia MTCD and 009 units are good too and at least theoretically easier to make a custom ROM for because Intel release their source code, unlike Rockchip. But no custom ROMs exist as yet.
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Klyde's unit indicates support for Android 6.0.1 while Intel's on 5.x and most MTCB on 4.x. Reading the forums I thought a MTCD board is required for android 5.x but it looks like that might not be the case - I guess in the end it depends on the manufacturer.
Btw, I read that one nice thing about Sofia is the fastboot feature which is not present on RK31xx/30xx units - not sure whether this is SoM or MCU specific. Do you have this feature on your units?
I like your idea about using an existing, tried-out platform (RK3188) with upgraded ram and custom ROM - it was my initial plan but the whole prospect was off putting.
I'll ask around to see how complicated/expensive would be to do the soldering.
Cheers,
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Thanks again!
Cool - where did you buy your units? Any with warehouses in EU?
Klyde's unit indicates support for Android 6.0.1 while Intel's on 5.x and most MTCB on 4.x. Reading the forums I thought a MTCD board is required for android 5.x but it looks like that might not be the case - I guess in the end it depends on the manufacturer.
Btw, I read that one nice thing about Sofia is the fastboot feature which is not present on RK31xx/30xx units - not sure whether this is SoM or MCU specific. Do you have this feature on your units?
I like your idea about using an existing, tried-out platform (RK3188) with upgraded ram and custom ROM - it was my initial plan but the whole prospect was off putting.
I'll ask around to see how complicated/expensive would be to do the soldering.
Cheers,
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Lollipop has been out for MTCB/C for about a year, this applies to ALL manufacturers and all RK3188 units, Klyde are the only ones who do Lollipop ROMs but the ROM can be used on ANY MTCB/C RK3188 device because they all use the same SoM. Some people find it laggy (I dont) but the 2GB RAM sorts that. Boot time is 20 - 30 seconds depending on what ROM you use, but there is no specific fast boot feature.
I did a group buy as ordering just 2 modules is expensive, but read the second RAM group buy thread in the MTCB hardware mod section and pm the guy who did it I think there may be some left.
Ive been using android units for years, currently Ive got a 10.1 Joying Sofia unit I want to replace, a JY-UL134N2, im fed up with how quickly Joying abandoned it. Ive had various make and spec units in the past as things have evolved.
Im specifically looking for another double din unit with a 10 inch screen.
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
Ive read talk about some units now coming with better DSP setups which would be good.
I saw a 10.1 screen version of the ATOTO A6 Pro I liked but their specs like dual bluetooth make me wonder if theyre Malaysk compatible and the hardware specs seem to lag behind with quad core and less ram.
I also read that Dasaita are very good at ongoing support.
I have also been considering the xtrons TE103AP.
Essentially based on the above I would appreciate peoples suggestions as I want to make a purchase soon since my Joying has become problematic.
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Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
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In that case make sure you get a PX5 MTCE unit - then it will be compatible with the Malaysk or Hal9K roms. If it isn't MTCE you won't have much luck with mods.
Thanks for replying, know any with a 10.1 screen specifically?
Ive been refamiliarising and some of the new intel based airmont ones sound interesting for speed and with dsp but ive only seen the joying unit and im not fond of the type of screen mounting.
Theres also the talk about PX6 units but they seem to be much slower arriving than expected.
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
millab said:
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
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Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
Yeah I have a PX5 with DSP and the DSP is pretty good - there are ways of adding it to a unit, but it requires some soldering apparently. You could ask Xtrons if they can add it for you. I know some sellers give that option.
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
mindriot said:
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
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Yes that one looks the same. Android Auto Shop units also come pre-rooted with Hal9K ROM apparently, and you can get a $25 discount with a link in the Hal9K ROM thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/rom-hal9k-rom-3-mtcd-e-head-units-t3847477
I think that has expired the site doesnt recognise it.
No matter will still consider the purchase.
Never tried hal9k just malaysk some time back before i had the sofia unit.
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
mindriot said:
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
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Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
millab said:
Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
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Xtrons finally responded, saying their unit isnt dsp compatible.
Meaning really they dont have any equipped units to sell.
Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
mindriot said:
Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
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I've been looking at this same one. Do you really need a custom rom though with these? I mean... it's a radio..not a phone. Isn't a custom launcher good enough? (assuming we still have root)
They are much, much more than a radio. They are computers akin to decent tablets WITH a radio and amplifier added, essentially the MCU part combined with the system core board.
In the past ive used malaysk on mtcb and mtcd units, then gtx on a sofia unit. Many cusstom roms on phones too for many years. Ive found custom roms are worth it, removing bloat, making them perform better and adding sensible features, ie a lock screen on boot with gtx or more responsive with mslaysk making them safer to use when driving. Or better sound processing, more useability, xposed, gps fixes, bluetooth fixes, rds fixes, and so on the list is quite significant for some devices.
Unfortunately with most resellers, and makers for that matter, little or at least minimum effort goes into the android aspect beyond looks with these stereos. As always the work done by people here at xda bridges the gap to help make significant improvements to some devices.
In my opinion and experience buying these units in stock form are akin to unfinished, it takes a custom rom to make them what they should. Yes theyre improving all the time and i havent experienced dasaita before (their rep for android updates is good) ive most recently wasted my money on a couple of joying units (never again), also consider the likes of hal9k is sponsored by androidautoshop and they actually supply many of their units preinstalled with hal9k instead of stock i believe.
Just bought a head unit from AndroidAutoShop, I can keep you posted on what I think when it arrives and I get it installed.
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
AMRivlin said:
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
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I looked at Xtrons units, but for my car they only had units with PX30, and I would like something with PX6.
What I have heard, Android 9 is more "smoother" and faster than 8.1. Just an overall improvement I think.
Does DSP affect the ability to use custom ROMs like Malaysk?
mindriot said:
Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
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Malaysk works on Intel Sofia? Thought it was on RockChip
Good night, I want to know if the radio Eonon is a good choice. It has DSP, android 10, IPS screen, "9 and TDA7851L Power Amplifier. But what concerns me is the processor being the MTK 8227l, A7 quadcore 1.2ghz and having 2gb of RAM. I will use google maps, spotify and youtube. With a promotion the radio would cost € 315. On the other hand, I have Joying with everything Eonon has but with an Intel octa-core processor and 4GB of RAM, but the worst thing is that it has Android 8.1 and the screen is not IPS and is more expensive. What do you advise me?
Thanks.
I'm looking into the same question, at the moment the Eonon GA9353 is $250 with free cameras, and the Joying is $100 more. I don't see the benefit of the octa-core being sufficient for me (music + GPS). Did you find more info to help decide?
I've been delving deeper into these radios in the last few days and reading everything about these radios here at XDA and I see that Eonon radios really have very outdated components (processor, like the Cortex a7), and I don't know how they can handle Android 10.
Then we have the Dasaita max 6 which looks very good, but it is very expensive, and then you have the atoto, which will update its radios now in May for the Intel processor equal to that of Joying.
The Joying radio is the best price / quality choice, despite having some bugs and android 8.1, it will probably be my choice.
The Radio is this JY-VO131N4GSN.
So, my question will this device be upgraded to android 9? Thanks
Eonon
More reading, DSP seems to worth the investment. The Eonon Is Android 8.1 faked to display Android 10.
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So, my question will this device be upgraded to android 9? Thanks
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I don't think so.
But why do you want Android 9 or 10? There is absolutely no added benefit from 9 or 10 on these head units.
You should ask: How long will this unit be supported? And how long will security fiexes be supported? That's a more important question.
And theoretically, Android 9 and 10 will be longer supported but hardly any of these resellers do that. As soon as they have a new hardware config, they stop supporting the old one.
Atoto is the only exception, but they are still on Android 6. But support is still continuing over most models.
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I don't think so.
But why do you want Android 9 or 10? There is absolutely no added benefit from 9 or 10 on these head units.
You should ask: How long will this unit be supported? And how long will security fiexes be supported? That's a more important question.
And theoretically, Android 9 and 10 will be longer supported but hardly any of these resellers do that. As soon as they have a new hardware config, they stop supporting the old one.
Atoto is the only exception, but they are still on Android 6. But support is still continuing over most models.
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Yes, you are right.
My concern is that Android will be out of date and the applications will no longer support it, but also the support itself will not provide bug fixes and security bugs fixes, but the OS is also not too old. So I will either go for the 9 "or 10" inch joying, both suitable for the Golf 6. I will also buy a subwoffer the JBL basspro hub, it is at an excellent price on ebay. Thanks, this forum helped me a lot, however when the radio arrives I will post photos and comment on the radio, so I can help other people who need it to choose.
Hi,
Im looking at one of these units from Joying for my older Jeep. Curious if these are FYT based or not?
Joying 6.2 Inch Single Din Android Head Unit with Cheapest Price Mirror Function
SKU: EU-Y-UOS04N1-BShip From: EU Warehouse (Only can ship to EU countries, cannot ship to other countries)CPU: SC7731E 1.3G Quad CoreRam:LPDDR4 1GB Rom:EMMC 16GBSupport Bluetooth,WiFi,DVR,OBD2,Back Up Camera
www.joyingauto.com
Does anyone have one of these adjustable screen units? Im looking to buying, the only thing I'm going to use it for is carplay thru a zbox zlink adaptor to play music and take calls. Will the 1GB model work ok for this? I think the specs are quite low, but the zbox Zlink or Carlinkit apps dont require much resources.
I ask if they are FYT because I have a Px3 2gb coreboard lying around, and if this unit is FYT based and I can just plug it in, getting the cheaper 1gb version vs the 4gb 8 octo core at twice the price seems like it would make more sense.
Anyone know?
sev said:
Hi,
Im looking at one of these units from Joying for my older Jeep. Curious if these are FYT based or not?
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All Joyings are FYT based.
I can't answer your other questions as I use the unit (4GB/64GB) as it is intended.
interesting. i emailed them to ask if the 1 gig+16gig one is fyt based and they said no.
sev said:
interesting. i emailed them to ask if the 1 gig+16gig one is fyt based and they said no.
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Well, I guess they know better than I do, but if you look at all the apps: Those are the FYT apps.
Microntec, Topways, Antoto and other manufacturer apps do look different.
I would ask them which firmare you need for this unit, and then I'm very curious which firmware they point you to.