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Looking to buy Moto X, need some clarifications.

[Tried posting this in Q&A forum but received no answers]
I am coming from Droid Incredible running CM 7.1 on PagePlus for 3 years (Verizon MVNO for those who don't know). So I am familiar with Android ecosystem and rooting.
I am looking to buy Moto X to be used in USA on H2O (AT&T MVNO) because on Pageplus the speed are limited to 3G and most new phones cannot be activated without flashing which I don't want to do.
1) Is there any reason NOT to buy Developer Edition (GSM Networks)? Current price is now the same as AT&T branded version and I am OK with just one color being available.
2) Am I correct in understanding that this version of the phone supports all LTE and HSPA frequencies both for AT&T and TMobile? Quote from the spec:
Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
3) Are there any known issues with Moto X that has not been fixed with software updates yet? I am also considering Moto G which would be good enough for me but it has battery issues ("instant" drops from full charge to 1%) that are now investigated by Motorola but no solution yet. For Moto X so far I only found that some people have small cracks on their cases that are fixed by mailing it for warranty work.

1) I too considered the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X but decided not to get it based on looks. I don't like white phones. The Dev Moto X has a woven white back and I didn't like that. I also have not use for 32GB of internal storage. I didn't even fill the 8GB that was on my RAZR M (previous phone). This was my reasoning, so I went with the MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
2)I don't know about the Dev version but if I had to guess I'd say it's like my phone, so yes. I have an AT&T SIM in my Moto X and I get 4G LTE when I'm in town.
3)The only issues I know of are the cracks as you mentioned and the some of the wood backs having a poor finish applied. There may be another that I've yet to read here but I've not had any problem with the phone.

Hikikomori-Otaku said:
1) I too considered the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X but decided not to get it based on looks. I don't like white phones. The Dev Moto X has a woven white back and I didn't like that. I also have not use for 32GB of internal storage. I didn't even fill the 8GB that was on my RAZR M (previous phone). This was my reasoning, so I went with the MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X (also referred to as the T-Mobile version).
2)I don't know about the Dev version but if I had to guess I'd say it's like my phone, so yes. I have an AT&T SIM in my Moto X and I get 4G LTE when I'm in town.
3)The only issues I know of are the cracks as you mentioned and the some of the wood backs having a poor finish applied. There may be another that I've yet to read here but I've not had any problem with the phone.
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I don't like white phones either but I want to be able to root. Is what you went with (MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X) essentially the same as Dev Edition other than color? Or is it only carrier unlocked but not bootloader unlocked?

JoeSchmoe007 said:
I don't like white phones either but I want to be able to root. Is what you went with (MotoMaker GSM unlocked retail Moto X) essentially the same as Dev Edition other than color? Or is it only carrier unlocked but not bootloader unlocked?
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The main differences between the two would be the retail version can be customs made in MotoMaker and when the bootloader is unlocked you loose your warranty. The Dev version only comes in one style but your warranty will still be intact after unlocking the bootloader.

Hikikomori-Otaku said:
The main differences between the two would be the retail version can be customs made in MotoMaker and when the bootloader is unlocked you loose your warranty. The Dev version only comes in one style but your warranty will still be intact after unlocking the bootloader.
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Thank you for responding. So the warranty will be void completely, even for the hardware issues completely unrelated to unlocking bootloader?
Can bootloader on retail version be re-locked to send it in for warranty?
I think I read that each time OS updates are released for Moto X new exploit may need to be found to root/unlock bootloader. Did I get it right or am I confusing something?
Can root be achieved without unlocking bootloader? If I understand correctly unlocking bootloader is really only needed if one wants to try different ROM-s and root can sometimes be achieved without unlocking bootloader. But Moto X is almost stock Android, so I see no point in trying other ROM-s but I do want to have root.

JoeSchmoe007 said:
Thank you for responding. So the warranty will be void completely, even for the hardware issues completely unrelated to unlocking bootloader?
Can bootloader on retail version be re-locked to send it in for warranty?
I think I read that each time OS updates are released for Moto X new exploit may need to be found to root/unlock bootloader. Did I get it right or am I confusing something?
Can root be achieved without unlocking bootloader? If I understand correctly unlocking bootloader is really only needed if one wants to try different ROM-s and root can sometimes be achieved without unlocking bootloader. But Moto X is almost stock Android, so I see no point in trying other ROM-s but I do want to have root.
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Yes, your warranty will be completly void if you unlock the bootloader on any Moto X except the Dev version.
You can relock (and reunlock) the bootloader but because you have to get the unlock key from Motorola, they will know even if you relock it. I believe there is also a line in fastboot that will will indicate if the warrently is void (as a result of the first unlock).
This is true. With any update there is the potential for an exploit being 'removed'. The same is true for most bootloaders but not necessarily for this phone. Even if the bootloader is updated, the unlock code for your phone will still work.
Yes, root can be achieved without unlocking the bootloader but it's a complex method for this phone. It's much easier to unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, and flash the SU binary. This is also the preferred method if it's avalible for your Moto X.
Unlocking your bootloader let's you do a few things. The most common it to flash another recovery image and thus a new ROM. You can also flash kernals, binaries, apps, and a few other things with the bootloader unlocked.

Hikikomori-Otaku said:
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This is true. With any update there is the potential for an exploit being 'removed'. The same is true for most bootloaders but not necessarily for this phone. Even if the bootloader is updated, the unlock code for your phone will still work.
Yes, root can be achieved without unlocking the bootloader but it's a complex method for this phone. It's much easier to unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, and flash the SU binary. This is also the preferred method if it's avalible for your Moto X.
Unlocking your bootloader let's you do a few things. The most common it to flash another recovery image and thus a new ROM. You can also flash kernals, binaries, apps, and a few other things with the bootloader unlocked.
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So what specific exploit can be removed? For rooting? Or for unlocking bootloader? The way I understand one can always unlock bootloader using code from Motorola no matter if your phone is retail or Dev. Edition, however then root may or may not work? But this contradicts with what you said about if bootloader is unlocked then you can flash custom recovery and SU, so you can still always achieve root. Is there an FAQ or thread on this forum where this is described in details?

JoeSchmoe007 said:
So what specific exploit can be removed? For rooting? Or for unlocking bootloader? The way I understand one can always unlock bootloader using code from Motorola no matter if your phone is retail or Dev. Edition, however then root may or may not work? But this contradicts with what you said about if bootloader is unlocked then you can flash custom recovery and SU, so you can still always achieve root. Is there an FAQ or thread on this forum where this is described in details?
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Any exploit can be removed, so long as they're found and will not inhibit the use of the device. I guess I should clarify a bit. Your bootloader and root access have different ways to get them. The bootloader basically protects the partitions of the phone. The only way to unlock the bootloader of the Moto X is to go to Motorola and get the unique unlock code for your Moto X. The Verizon retail and AT&T retail versions are the only two models of my knowledge that can't be unlocked by Motorola and no exploit has been found for them. How root is achieved by having an unlocked bootloader is as followed; The bootloader is unlocked giving the user access to the partitions of the phone > a custom recovery is flashed > using the new recovery SU binary is added (flashed) to the dormant Android OS. Without an unlocked bootloader, this method is impossible as you can't complete the first step. This is when an exploit in the Android OS is needed. The current SlapMyMoto exploit takes advantage that Motorola lets Moto X users downgrade. Once on a lower version of Android, we can root that and basically 'tunnel' up a path to give ourselves root in they newer version of Android. The unlocked bootloader method is preferred because it's easier and will almost always work (unless Android is given a huge remake). While in recovery, the Android OS is not loaded and thus can't protect itself. This makes adding stuff to it much simpler. When the Android OS is booted though, there are security measures in place that we unrooted can't get past without an exploit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
This thread has a lot of good info from rooting on both locked and unlocked bootloaders, downgrading, and much more.

Honestly I think you answered your own question. If rooting is your number one priority and you don't mind the white back (which I like actually), then I think the Developer Edition is a no brainer for you.
If you want a custom phone and rooting isn't that important, or you don't care about the warranty, then I'd say get the MotoMaker version.
As far as bugs, the only bug I know of is an exchange bug (which I don't use exchange so I don't even know what the bug is/was), but it was fixed in 4.4.2.

You can root the carrier version ie motomaker. That's all you really need is root along with greenify, xposed, gravity box, and viper4android.
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You can root the carrier version ie motomaker. That's all you really need is root along with greenify, xposed, gravity box, and viper4android.
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Currently there is NO root method for 4.4.2 without unlocking the bootloader.

Bought a Moto g4 from best buy but its the xt 1625 model some how.

Is there anyway of me getting root on this phone? Its not a amazon exclusive device and was full price. Im on the retus software channel and have a baseband of m8952 and a build of mpj24 if that helps. Is my best bet to try to contact motorola customer support to get the bootloader unlocked?

Maskills24 said:
Is there anyway of me getting root on this phone? Its not a amazon exclusive device and was full price. Im on the retus software channel and have a baseband of m8952 and a build of mpj24 if that helps. Is my best bet to try to contact motorola customer support to get the bootloader unlocked?
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What's the problem? your phone is unlockable. Follow normal procedure to unlock bootloader.

xt1625 is the US moto G4, try going to the moto bootunlocking site -https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a
Should give you a unlock code just fine.

Rempala said:
xt1625 is the US moto G4, try going to the moto bootunlocking site -https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a
Should give you a unlock code just fine.
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Im giong to close the thread, seems i had got my info mixed up, i had thought 1625 was only for amazon versions of the phone which cant be unlocked. But thats not the case and i have the unlock code already. Sorry for the wasted thread.

Maskills24 said:
Im giong to close the thread, seems i had got my info mixed up, i had thought 1625 was only for amazon versions of the phone which cant be unlocked. But thats not the case and i have the unlock code already. Sorry for the wasted thread.
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Actually, I had the same confusion. My Moto G4 is US retail version, and it also said XT1625, and it does not come with Amazon ads. But when I searched online, a lot of the information on the XT1625 version was the Amazon version (oh, and there is also the India XT1625 version). I had no problem unlocking the bootloader at Motorola's website, and given that the Amazon ones were not unlockable, I knew there must be some difference.
This is really confusing indeed.

Agreed I had same worries but also unlocked just fine, ofc I knew I was good when their werent any lame ads on the lockscreen lol.

New AMZM prime LG G6 Plus H870DSU, Root possible?

I just saw a post about a new prime phone from Amazon, and I was curious if there has been any luck rooting these AMZN based devices?
I really like the G6, but having access to the US unlocked GSM device AND the quad DAC would be perfect for me.
But I gotta have root. So any threads on other devices, or any insider information on whether these Amazon devices have unlocked bootloader's?
https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/26/amazon-lg-g6-prime-discount/
I'm waiting for the unlocked US998, but I would be okay with a quad DAC G6, too. As I don't mind waiting 6 mo the for the V30's to drop in price.

I am also wondering the same thing. Has the LG G6+ been rooted?

You are never going to see an official bootloader unlock for the Amazon devices, because their marketing model is "discount phone with ads." Bootloader unlock would allow you to circumvent the ads by rooting and/or flashing a different ROM, so Amazon would not offer the phone this way without an agreement from LG not to unlock these phones. Other devices Amazon sells this way are pretty tightly locked down, and their communities have not had a lot of success breaking into them.
Bottom line is, it's not coming any time soon, if at all, so don't buy the device assuming that you'll someday be able to root it.

Anybody tried flashing a different stock ROM to the phone using Uppercut yet? I'm wondering if you could just flash the international firmware to the phone if the phone would accept it since it's recognized in LG UP with no issues and shows up as the international version too. Since it's a signed firmware I've gotta believe that if you can't ever unlock the bootloader that you could at least flash a stock LG international firmware file to it.

bmurphr1 said:
Anybody tried flashing a different stock ROM to the phone using Uppercut yet? I'm wondering if you could just flash the international firmware to the phone if the phone would accept it since it's recognized in LG UP with no issues and shows up as the international version too. Since it's a signed firmware I've gotta believe that if you can't ever unlock the bootloader that you could at least flash a stock LG international firmware file to it.
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Anyone who has one try this yet?

yomuppet said:
Anyone who has one try this yet?
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Not gonna happen unfortunately...not unless someone gains root access to the device and then uses something like FlashFire to hot-flash a custom ROM onto the device. That would be our best hope. That being said I'm still using my LG G6 since Amazon removed ads from all Prime devices free of charge (except for Kindles and such) and my phone is better than ever now. I plan on getting at least a year of use out of it and then upgrade to something with a Snapdragon 845 CPU inside it.

Alright guys...im trying to root my H870 AT&T G6 thinq and Idk what I'm doing wrong. I downloaded the files I need and tried getting it into fastboot mode and it just reboots and turns on. I tried adb reboot recovery and of course with no recovery yet it goes to no command. Does anyone have a better way then using adb? I attempted to use kingoroot but I don't read Chinese so I have no idea what it was saying lol

As has been said elsewhere, the European H870 and US 997 are the only ones that are rootable.
There is not and will not be a root for any of the other variants. There is some chat about it on the forums but realistically there will not be any other rooting method other than the official LG route.

Prime Exclusive G5 plus

Hello I bought the Prime exclusive moto g 5 plus 64gb storage and 4gb of ram .
THIS ONE.
According to this post I'll not be able to root it, unlock boot loader or install a custom recovery, is this true??, it seems like a normal xt1687 (mine is xt1687 too acording to fastboot) in my opinion, is there any difference between mine and a non-amazon one??.
I downloaded the G5 plus toolkit and got the unlock boot loader information with no problem, also found an option in developer settings section that says "OEM UNLOCKING (Allow boot loader to be unlocked)"

What versión do you have? Xt1687? If your answer is yes, youll able to root unlock etc, i know cuz i have the same version. Greetings

Armando Lopez said:
What versión do you have? Xt1687? If your answer is yes, youll able to root unlock etc, i know cuz i have the same version. Greetings
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In fasboot mode says xt1687, thanks for the answer

amazon version is harder to unlock and you can get bricked

M1810 said:
amazon version is harder to unlock and you can get bricked
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Is there a especial block that amazon puts in their phones firmware then??

ajvg said:
Is there a especial block that amazon puts in their phones firmware then??
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You have to go through Motorola to get the code to unlock the bootloader. They will know whether you have an Amazon Prime device, and I don't believe they will give you the code. At least I believe that was the issue when the phone originally came out.

Can only retail versions be bootloader unlocked?

I'm thinking about pickup up a used G5 Plus as a backup for my wife's Amazon version. I plan to unlock the bootloader and flash LineageOS 16. Is it safe to assume only the retail versions (software channel retus) can unlock the bootloader? I know in addition to the Amazon version, there is a Consumer Cellular version also.

lmacmil said:
I'm thinking about pickup up a used G5 Plus as a backup for my wife's Amazon version. I plan to unlock the bootloader and flash LineageOS 16. Is it safe to assume only the retail versions (software channel retus) can unlock the bootloader? I know in addition to the Amazon version, there is a Consumer Cellular version also.
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All devices bootloader can be unlocked, you can install ROM in it after unlocking the bootloader. software channel is just to receive the updates, nothing more than that.

riyan65 said:
All devices bootloader can be unlocked, you can install ROM in it after unlocking the bootloader. software channel is just to receive the updates, nothing more than that.
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There are multiple XDA threads saying that there are no Amazon variants on which the bootloader can be unlocked.

lmacmil said:
There are multiple XDA threads saying that there are no Amazon variants on which the bootloader can be unlocked.
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I got a Moto g5 (Cedric) which is amazon version, but I was able to unlock the bootloader. So this device also able to unlock it's bootloader. As far I know Amazon version just mean it includes it apps as system app not as user app.

riyan65 said:
I got a Moto g5 (Cedric) which is amazon version, but I was able to unlock the bootloader. So this device also able to unlock it's bootloader. As far I know Amazon version just mean it includes it apps as system app not as user app.
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There was a short period of time when the Amazon versions were able to be unlocked, but that time has passed.