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Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
Paul22000 said:
BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.
Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.
I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon
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It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)
Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.
If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?
krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.
Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.
Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?
On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.
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On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...
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When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.
I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.
I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.
If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money
At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.
I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.
I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere
The more I read (which is entirely too much lately), the more it seems that the SG2 is going to take a long time to have an "official" release in the US. I try to put myself in the position of there possibly being two different consumers (one for the Infuse and one for the SG2). Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "need" for both devices. It really seems counterproductive for AT&T to release the SG2 so soon after the release of the Infuse.
Call me paranoid but, I would REALLY like to have a phone that isn't a gray item (for warranty). I have faith in the hardware but you never know with electronics.
Anyone have an opinion on it? I have an iP4 which is perfectly fine. I just REALLY want to get an Android device and would prefer to stay on AT&T (service locally is good, and I am on an unlimited data plan).
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The more I read (which is entirely too much lately), the more it seems that the SG2 is going to take a long time to have an "official" release in the US. I try to put myself in the position of there possibly being two different consumers (one for the Infuse and one for the SG2). Unfortunately, I don't think there is a "need" for both devices. It really seems counterproductive for AT&T to release the SG2 so soon after the release of the Infuse.
Call me paranoid but, I would REALLY like to have a phone that isn't a gray item (for warranty). I have faith in the hardware but you never know with electronics.
Anyone have an opinion on it? I have an iP4 which is perfectly fine. I just REALLY want to get an Android device and would prefer to stay on AT&T (service locally is good, and I am on an unlimited data plan).
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If your iphone is in good shape and unlocked, sell on ebay for loads of cash. Purchase a sgs2 for 700-750. Still will be able to use your unlimited plan.
But I really dont see SGS2 on ATT anytime soon.
I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
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I'm leaning on taking the dive early. And wicked car in your sig.
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You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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You'd be wrong, twice. It does indeed work on AT&Ts 3G/"4G" bands [unlocked]. Its also called the Motorola Atrix 4G, not the attic. While quick, MotoBLUR is garbage.
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I thought there was some big non-carrier specific announcement by Samsung in New York on May 24th or something? Honestly, the Infuse is just an oversized SGS with an overclocked CPU.
If you've seen the video demonstrations of just how powerful the SGSII is, you'll start to realize these two devices are actually worlds apart. I'm using an unbranded SGSII, but if you're holding out for AT&T's version, don't give up yet!
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There's an announcement planned, yes. However, it could easily be for the AT&T branded Nexus S or one of the new tablets.
To those of us who care about hardware the phones (Infuse and SG2) are definitely worlds apart. However to Joe Consumer who doesn't know or care about hardware specs, I don't think it will matter.
The wife keeps giving me the evil-eye when I mention ordering one from the UK. I think I'm wearing her down though
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You cold buy a SG2 overseas but it won't work on the same 3g band as AT&T. If you are planning to stay on at&t why don't you.buy the Motorola attic. I own one and its incredibly fast.
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I've messed with an Atrix. Seemed OK. Not spectacular though. I have a friend who actually returned his for the HTC Inspire (and loves it). That doesn't speak well to me. Plus EVERYTHING I've seen about the SG2 proves it's definitely the cat's meow (currently).
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I'm leaning on taking the dive early. And wicked car in your sig.
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Appreciate it, friend.
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There's an announcement planned, yes. However, it could easily be for the AT&T branded Nexus S or one of the new tablets.
To those of us who care about hardware the phones (Infuse and SG2) are definitely worlds apart. However to Joe Consumer who doesn't know or care about hardware specs, I don't think it will matter.
The wife keeps giving me the evil-eye when I mention ordering one from the UK. I think I'm wearing her down though
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It's not just about the specs, those specs translate into REAL world performance differences. The SGSII has not even had the slightest hiccup with web browsing... regardless of how many windows are open, how many graphics are in each window, etc. My SGS, while great when it came out, easily got bogged down, and multi-window browsing was never a truly usable feature. Given the Infuse is has almost identical specs to an SGS, I predict it will have similar issues.
People keep thinking these specs being listed off are only for geeks, but once in a while, they do relate to real world usability and performance differences. And when they do, they are QUITE significant.
The title of your thread almost gave me a heart attack thinking there was some type of major technical issue uncovered. My SGS2 arrives tomorrow. More appropriate title would be "AT&T-branded phone not looking good in the U.S."
I guarantee you several hundred thousand of the 3MM presales are destined for AT&T. If you poke around the technical sites, the general consensus is a 4G version for VZW followed by AT&T this year. Nobody's even mentioning Sprint or T-Mobile. Depending on the timing, the SGS2 could be AT&T's first LTE phone. I haven't seen any updates on their LTE status but I'm guessing they're pushing to get something up quickly to show the world they'll be as good as VZW in the long run.
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The title of your thread almost gave me a heart attack thinking there was some type of major technical issue uncovered. My SGS2 arrives tomorrow. More appropriate title would be "AT&T-branded phone not looking good in the U.S."
I guarantee you several hundred thousand of the 3MM presales are destined for AT&T. If you poke around the technical sites, the general consensus is a 4G version for VZW followed by AT&T this year. Nobody's even mentioning Sprint or T-Mobile. Depending on the timing, the SGS2 could be AT&T's first LTE phone. I haven't seen any updates on their LTE status but I'm guessing they're pushing to get something up quickly to show the world they'll be as good as VZW in the long run.
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Sorry about the startle. I changed the title of the thread.
I am just frustrated (as are many I'm sure). I'd like to offload my iP4 before the value drops too much (iP5 release). Unfortunately, I'm unable to go without a phone and I am really nervous about a gray market item. Hell even an unbranded Samsung direct phone would work for me. I'm going to have to pay full price anyhow.
Yeah, I think ATT will get the SGS2 with LTE.
Use the fuzzy math I used to convince myself the phone was only $475. $800 - $325 (sold G2) = $475 Can you really put a price on whipping your phone out and gathering a crowd around to see it for a couple of months? My take on buying an import is you spin the wheel and take your chances. If you buy it in the UK, Samsung U.S. will service it. If you buy from Expansys they'll ship it back to the UK for you for service. How long you're without a phone is probably the biggest concern. If you use a credit card with buyers and/or warranty protection you'd have a back-up that will at least get you your money back. Go ahead, you know you want to do it
The event is NOT for the Nexus S for AT&T. Otherwise it would be an event WITH AT&T, not an independent Samsung event.
Hang in there OP. I am in the same boat. I refuse to replace my iPhone 4 with a $750 phone that will be $500 through my carrier. That's $250 in my pocket. Another $250 and I can buy one for my wife
I bet the event is for sgs2 variants. Nexus s doesn't warrant a bug event just like here in Canada it came quietly on all carriers. No big announcements. Many peope don't even know it lol.
The phone is been out a month and is at&t compatible. The event is def. about something more exciting
I'm in the same boat here, too. However after my experience with the Captivate, and the shoddy quality control of its hardware, and the still-present GPS woes and color-banding issues on the SGS II, it seems Samsung rushed yet another product to market and perhaps these extra couple months we'll have to wait will be well worth it in the end.
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The event is NOT for the Nexus S for AT&T. Otherwise it would be an event WITH AT&T, not an independent Samsung event.
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Could be the Tab 8.9 though.
I was wondering what could be that of the SGS II that recently went through the FCC with AT&T only bands?
I hoping the announcement on the 25th will be that Samsung will sell the GS II unlocked in the states and working on AT&T's network just like Google does sell their Nexus phones.
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Hang in there OP. I am in the same boat. I refuse to replace my iPhone 4 with a $750 phone that will be $500 through my carrier. That's $250 in my pocket. Another $250 and I can buy one for my wife
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Do you really think it will be $500 subsidized??? There goes my dream of getting it through AT&T!!! The company only pays up to $100 for a new phone so $400 more is hefty *sob*
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Do you really think it will be $500 subsidized??? There goes my dream of getting it through AT&T!!! The company only pays up to $100 for a new phone so $400 more is hefty *sob*
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Go to "USA May 24th announcement" thread to discuss this, I think I mentioned pricing there, or I may be wrong.
I think there is no way the phone will be more than $250 with a 2 year contract on AT&T. My opinion (based on 12 years of buying AT&T phones on 4 lines) it will be around $250, before or after $50 mail-in rebate, depending on when it is getting released. Maybe just straight forward $200 with no rebates if it is released in the fall.
Thoughts on how this phone will compare to new pixel 2 xl? Which are you leaning towards?
Plan on getting it also. Like the Ph1 so far though.
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Main problem is this phone isn't rootable.
I really want to use ARISE, titanium, etc
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Main problem is this phone isn't rootable.
I really want to use ARISE, titanium, etc
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Not yet, but I'm sure once they release the factory images it will be rooted shortly thereafter.
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Not yet, but I'm sure once they release the factory images it will be rooted shortly thereafter.
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I've been patiently waiting!
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I've been patiently waiting!
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That's all we can do at this point. Have a beer and chill.
Pixel 2 is better in every way especially with their proven customer service
I would even rate google at par with Apple or even higher in terms of service
With all the software / hardware problems with essential phone and their customer service
I dont see myself buying their phone anymore especially at $700
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Pixel 2 is better in every way especially with their proven customer service
I would even rate google at par with Apple or even higher in terms of service
With all the software / hardware problems with essential phone and their customer service
I dont see myself buying their phone anymore especially at $700
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Pretty sure the specs are exactly the same?
johnmoon said:
Pixel 2 is better in every way especially with their proven customer service
I would even rate google at par with Apple or even higher in terms of service
With all the software / hardware problems with essential phone and their customer service
I dont see myself buying their phone anymore especially at $700
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This is true, the pixel will have an overall more polished software experience, better camera and CS....however I can't bring myself to buy one because this PH-1's design and feeling in hand outweighs everything for me. I told myself back in the iPhone 4 and 5 days that if someone ever stuffed an Android operating system with the iphone's candy bar design language, I would buy it instantly. Essential did that. And I became happy.
Tho if the pixel 2 went small bezels, I would have jumped on that
Edit: I realized op said XL lol yeah form factor alone kicks the XL out of my list.
I'm definitely waiting to see the finished product of the XL 2 before choosing. It's between the essential and the xl 2 though. The essential is just secksay, but I'm worried about it having been buggy, as well as how long big Android updates (like Oreo) will take. I guess we'll see next week!
I'm either crazy or I swear the leaks for the PXL essentially made it out to be LG V30 more or less (no DAC probably)... and why wouldn't you compare the Essential phone to the Pixel 2 instead XL since they're different form factors. Personally, I love the Essential form factor and plan on keeping it, making it my main phone (if and when I get a fully working one anyways lol).
Well if you're a Sprint customer I think the Essential is a good option. We don't have many phones that we can get from our carrier that are development friendly. In fact, the only 2017 flagship you can get from Sprint at the moment that has an unlockable bootloader is the HTC U11. Plus Sprint being CDMA you can't bring in devices like the OnePlus or other Chinese phones or the international unlock able versions of phones. So pretty much we're left with the google phones which ARE compatible with Sprint, but pretty pricey. Buying from your carrier there are usually perks like 50% off or loyalty credits, interest-free financing, etc. Now that we have the Essential phone purchasable through Sprint we have a bootloader unlockable STOCK android nexus-like device with high-end specs.
Overall though I'm sure the Pixel 2 will be a better phone than the Essential, but the essential is close enough IMO and the fact that it will likely be cheaper than a 128gb Pixel, especially when you factor in carrier incentives makes me pick it over the google phone.
As most of you guys probably already know there are rumors around this phone's possibility of getting carrier support with T Mobile in the United States.
Because carrier support is kind of important in the US as most Americans buy their phones from their carrier, do you think that this is a major step for OnePlus and it will case it to be a more recognizable name in the US cell phone market... and not just some enthusiast brand?
Well, I'm just one person, but if it hits T-Mo, I'm buying it. That simple.
Same here, I'll be looking for it at my T-Mobile store!
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Same here, I'll be looking for it at my T-Mobile store!
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Same
No headphone jack, no notification LED, no sale. I use both all the time. It amazes me the cheap excuses these companies make to eliminate features. The truth is that they are just trying to make more money per sale. They must think we are all as stupid as they are!
I don't have TMobile but I'm buying unlocked.
Either way. But buying from one plus direct is better
Assuming the Pixel 3 doesn't make it to T-Mobile - this will be my next phone.
IPhone Xs/Xs Max preorders aren't very strong as per reports.
A huge chunk of users might like a far cheap Android alternative in the 6T.
Plain and simple. Having it released on T-Mobile only means those who can't afford to buy it out right from OnePlus could now put it on EIP..... So I kind of doubt there will be enough of those people to generate it as "a hit"
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I'm a tmo user and willl be purchasing it upon release!
You do have to remember this will be putting the phone in front of a bunch of people who never heard of OnePlus. This will open up the door for more customers that would not even know to go to OnePlus.com to buy the phone. ?* I dont know, I think it could help make the OnePlus6T much much more successful
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Plain and simple. Having it released on T-Mobile only means those who can't afford to buy it out right from OnePlus could now put it on EIP..... So I kind of doubt there will be enough of those people to generate it as "a hit"
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This is xda and no one is asking the important question; will the bootloader be unlocked? No amount of available from the carrier can overcome the lack of bootloader unlock. Another thing no one is skiing is available freqs, you're giving something up for that low freq (at least one, possibly two LTE bands) it isn't available in many areas and won't be for some time.
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This is xda and no one is asking the important question; will the bootloader be unlocked? No amount of available from the carrier can overcome the lack of bootloader unlock. Another thing no one is skiing is available freqs, you're giving something up for that low freq (at least one, possibly two LTE bands) it isn't available in many areas and won't be for some time.
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I don't believe OnePlus will tie down the bootloader. I think it will be easily unlocked through fastboot per usial. I believe OP knows it's fan base is comprised of hardcore Android users who like to tinker and flash custom firmware and mods. Frequencies I can't chime in on as I'm not knowledgeable enough about them
The situation just the opposite, Tmo decides and oneplus will gladly provide the locked bootloader phones if they ask.
This will be a major jump for OnePlus. I for one have been looking for something unique and when I found OnePlus; I became very interested in their product. For what the Iphone X cost; you could get similar features with the OnePlus for just half the cost. OnePlus 6T will definitely turn heads in the United States. Striking a deal with T-Mobile will also open up the doors for other smart phone manufactures. If sales are good; which they will be; one could only assume that one of Oppo's other companies would want to strike a deal with a U.S. carrier.
The 6T is definitely on my radar to replace my beloved Nexus 6.
But unlocked bootloader is a must. I've walked away from upgrades to other phones due locked bootloaders.
And I am really interested to hear what the difference is between a TMo-"optimized" OnePlus6, and one bought directly from OnePlus. Exactly what optimizations are there?
So I won't be an early adopter. I'll be a fast follower once others report back.
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NGOwner, that's a good question. TMo-"optimized" I assume would mean that it will have a much better chemistry with our LTE bands.
As for the success of the phone; it will also depend on the area that your in. In some areas the phone will have high sales as compared to others, that won't. It all depends how good T-Mobile's floor staff are. In some areas people don't do as much research on these smart devices as others. New York City and and various places in California will probably have the highest turnouts for sales for the OnePlus 6T. I can tell you that in my area; I will probably be able to turn some heads when I show this phone to people in public. It sounds funny; but it's true.
One question I do have is about pre orders? Since this phone is going to be released on T-Mobile; will their stores allow customers to put down pre-orders?
Saw this T-Mobile version info in Android Authority a while ago...
"According to the CNET article, OnePlus isn’t just going to sell the global variant of the OnePlus 6T in T-Mobile stores. Instead, there will be another T-Mobile-specific model that will be optimized for the carrier’s network.
And yes, that will include support for 600mHz bands, otherwise known as band 71."
Tmo was never going to sell an international oneplus in their stores. The questions are how much if any branding will it have, which Tmo apps come pre-installed, is the bootloader unlocked, which LTE freqs did we lose to get the 600 mhz goods. For most people the last question isn't all that important but I travel a great deal and it's a big one for me.