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Well I hope i have some answers for some of you who are having this overheating issue. Being that I am on my second GS4 in less than 4 days due to overheating. This is what I got from a sprint repair store who confirmed a couple things for me. One thing he confirmed is the GS4 has poor air-circulation and when the back cover is on it dissipates heat poorly, just like the GS3 and 2. H,,, wondering why samsung didnt address this issue. Second thing he confirmed it that anywhere from 45-60 percent of the batteries are defective to the point of getting hotter than they should, and roughly 15-20 percent of those could cause permanent damage. He said sprint is trying to develop a different backing for the phone to promote better air circulation to help cool it due to the amount of power the phone has, though he wasnt sure when it would be out. Also an update was sent out today and hopefully a heating problem was included within this update.
So my 2nd GS4 was tested and it had a defective battery. I was told if this one has the same issue then I can go back to my note 2. I am thinking I would rather have a stable phone over a faster phone. Hope this helps some of you. Also those who are having this heat issue do not let the phone charge overnight, or charge the phone with the back off. I know it isnt practicle but until samsung fixes the issue we have no other options. Also underclocking doesnt seem to help all of them
If this helps please send a thanks i would appreciate it

I have three batteries so far. One original that came with the phone. One Samsung OEM that came with an external charger that was shipped from south Korea and a Hyperion. None of them overheat. If these batteries are like anything from the laptop fiasco years ago, with faulty cells overheating to the point where the device catches on fire violently.... From what I've seen and what I've been told by a friend that repairs electronics, li on batteries aren't to be messed with. If they go bad or short, you could have a fireball or grenade in your pocket.

Why would Sprint be making a different backing to prevent overheating? Did you mean Samsung?
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GiantJay said:
Why would Sprint be making a different backing to prevent overheating? Did you mean Samsung?
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yes thank Samsung not Sprint

I don't follow other carriers s4 forums. I haven't read any issues on phone sites about this being a wide spread problem. The battery door is the same, or should be the same, between carriers, just different printing on the door. I don't know if OP overclocked at any point. That might have caused later issues. It could have just been a battery that tested OK at the factory, but a cell developed a problem later and started screwing up. Judging by my personal experience when I bought my phone, the original phone I wanted was black but was missing the sim out of the box. I had to take the only remaining s4 they had, which was white . Other people reporting screen issues, and other things, makes me come to the conclusion that Samsung's quality control isn't doing their job or is being told to ship units anyways.

Interesting.

Did you say update today
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I notice that bone stock the phone runs warm. That's with all 3 batteries I have 1 Sammy 2 anker. After I installed ktoonz kernel. The phone feels cool.
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Ya there's no way Samsung the #1 seller sends out that many bad batteries! I've had many new sammies and never had a bad one.
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That's very unfortunate :/
Definitely haven't had any overheating issues at all on any kernel/rom combo on my S4, plus my three S3s and two Epic's (the multiples are all from loosing my phone lol btw).
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devildogaw said:
Well I hope i have some answers for some of you who are having this overheating issue. Being that I am on my second GS4 in less than 4 days due to overheating. This is what I got from a sprint repair store who confirmed a couple things for me. One thing he confirmed is the GS4 has poor air-circulation and when the back cover is on it dissipates heat poorly, just like the GS3 and 2. H,,, wondering why samsung didnt address this issue. Second thing he confirmed it that anywhere from 45-60 percent of the batteries are defective to the point of getting hotter than they should, and roughly 15-20 percent of those could cause permanent damage. He said sprint is trying to develop a different backing for the phone to promote better air circulation to help cool it due to the amount of power the phone has, though he wasnt sure when it would be out. Also an update was sent out today and hopefully a heating problem was included within this update.
So my 2nd GS4 was tested and it had a defective battery. I was told if this one has the same issue then I can go back to my note 2. I am thinking I would rather have a stable phone over a faster phone. Hope this helps some of you. Also those who are having this heat issue do not let the phone charge overnight, or charge the phone with the back off. I know it isnt practicle but until samsung fixes the issue we have no other options. Also underclocking doesnt seem to help all of them
If this helps please send a thanks i would appreciate it
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Not sure where this tech came up with this stuff but none of this is true...there are no Sprint bulletins/back cover initiatives or known battery issues floating around internally at at Sprint
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if 40%-60% of batteries had overheating issues this forum as well as regular News sites would be filled with stories about it.
Aside from the fake story about poor sales that caused a Samsung stock tank I have not read any news articles about defects or problems endemic to the S4.

First of all, what part of the phone feels warm to you? I'd be willing to bet that it's on top by the camera rather than in the middle by the battery. All it means is that you have a phone with a really powerful CPU and no heat sink. The battery isn't the problem. The SOC just runs kind of warm. No cause for alarm.
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Thought about installing a small fan in the back. I micro fan that turns on when the cpu area gets warm enough would be bad ass.
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Also, bone stock, my phone got HOT, I installed ktoons kernel and undervolted / overclocked. Now it's much much cooler.
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maxpower7 said:
First of all, what part of the phone feels warm to you? I'd be willing to bet that it's on top by the camera rather than in the middle by the battery. All it means is that you have a phone with a really powerful CPU and no heat sink. The battery isn't the problem. The SOC just runs kind of warm. No cause for alarm.
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Actually you would of lost the bet. lol it is actually on the front of the screen where the battery is. Which also tells me the phone has an issue getting rid of heat. Yes i know screens get warm, but there i diff between warm and so hot the phone shuts off ( i dont use the adjust brigtness auto so please dont say that is the problem). I went back to sprint yesterday and they had the second GS4 I had in the back for three hours, when they were finally done they let me know that they had no fix for it and the manager proceeded to tell me he had 15 GS4's in the back with the same issue. So he said if I was not comfortable with the phone he would give me a new Note 2, so that what I did. I cant believe that samsung would put out such a powerful phone with little to no heat sync. Pretty disappointed

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Not sure where this tech came up with this stuff but none of this is true...there are no Sprint bulletins/back cover initiatives or known battery issues floating around internally at at Sprint
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They are actually all over the Sprint community forums. Know I cant vouch on validity of what I was told about a new back in the works all I can do is post my findings here in hopes others will see it. I did not post that to be scrutinized or questioned. It is a known issue the GS4 has a overheating problem you ca call any sprint repair store and they will tell you, and look at the sprint forums. Now he could of said that to get me to stay in the GS4 but I have had many phones and never had an issue with overheating and shutting off.
You also cant say it isnt true. Just because you cant find it doesnt mean it isnt in the works. Just think if they posted that online. Do you know how many upset customers they would have? I think it is smart not to post it until there is a confirmed report done by either samsung or sprint about this issue. Right now all they have are many phones with this issue and the folks who are bringing them in to be checked.

Very interesting.

devildogaw said:
They are actually all over the Sprint community forums. Know I cant vouch on validity of what I was told about a new back in the works all I can do is post my findings here in hopes others will see it. I did not post that to be scrutinized or questioned. It is a known issue the GS4 has a overheating problem you ca call any sprint repair store and they will tell you, and look at the sprint forums. Now he could of said that to get me to stay in the GS4 but I have had many phones and never had an issue with overheating and shutting off.
You also cant say it isnt true. Just because you cant find it doesnt mean it isnt in the works. Just think if they posted that online. Do you know how many upset customers they would have? I think it is smart not to post it until there is a confirmed report done by either samsung or sprint about this issue. Right now all they have are many phones with this issue and the folks who are bringing them in to be checked.
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The community forums are just that...a public forum very similar to this.
Beyond that, I manage a Sprint repair store...the information claimed here does not exist. Sorry.
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00mred00 said:
The community forums are just that...a public forum very similar to this.
Beyond that, I manage a Sprint repair store...the information claimed here does not exist. Sorry.
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lol i work for sprint also, so let me guess your going to say you work for samsung part-time. You must not know to much about the company you work for. yes they are forums, forums that sprint monitors to see what is going on, because lets face it not every customer reports their problems to a repair center. Also maybe you didnt get the memo
gain the information I posted we what was given to me

[Q] Potential Buyer

Hey guys, im thinking of getting a new phone after my disappointment with the lumia 920 and im thinking of getting the s4, g2 or the z1 and with samsung ive had some experience with the sgs and the note and i havent really had any problems with them but ive never had any exp with lg so i wanted to ask you about any COMMON problems (hardware mostly) that this phone (the international version) has because ive been reading things about the screen that frighten me. also worth mentioning is that this phone costs about 550 euros in my country and so does the z1, the s4 about 440 also the customer service is not very good so fixing or replacing the phone will be a little bit of a problem.

Nobody?

What issues have you heard about the screen? This is the best android device ive ever had plain and simple. You wont regret picking one up.

x714x said:
What issues have you heard about the screen? This is the best android device ive ever had plain and simple. You wont regret picking one up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QOMB8UTx4, and ive noticed that there arent alot of custom roms available for this phone, whats the deal with that?

First of all that issue isn't widespread. Why would you be frightened to death to buy a phone? I'm sure every phone has some kind of return policy if it has issues. Just buy it and try it out no need to be frightened don't be scared.
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samkle said:
Hey guys, im thinking of getting a new phone after my disappointment with the lumia 920 and im thinking of getting the s4, g2 or the z1 and with samsung ive had some experience with the sgs and the note and i havent really had any problems with them but ive never had any exp with lg so i wanted to ask you about any COMMON problems (hardware mostly) that this phone (the international version) has because ive been reading things about the screen that frighten me. also worth mentioning is that this phone costs about 550 euros in my country and so does the z1, the s4 about 440 also the customer service is not very good so fixing or replacing the phone will be a little bit of a problem.
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The only advantage of having the s4 over the g2 is you can flash google edition roms if you get bored of touchwiz.which also means that the s4 will probably get kitakat as a google edition update faster than other phones. If you dont care about vanilla android, stick to the g2 it trumps the s4 in every category.

shook187 said:
First of all that issue isn't widespread. Why would you be frightened to death to buy a phone? I'm sure every phone has some kind of return policy if it has issues. Just buy it and try it out no need to be frightened don't be scared.
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what about exessive overheating while gaming i know it is normal to get hot but does it get scary hot?

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what about exessive overheating while gaming i know it is normal to get hot but does it get scary hot?
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I play heavy games on here and I haven't had any issues with overheating. Sure it gets warm. But so will every other device.
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As for the lack of ROMs, I'm quite confident that when the Nexus 5 comes out a lot of ROMs will be ported over.

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what about exessive overheating while gaming i know it is normal to get hot but does it get scary hot?
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Where did you hear of "excessive overheating"? Literally every smartphone these days does that when you do too much hardcore gaming. At least it won't do this to you http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...the-shape-of-the-phone-on-womans-body_id42542
S800 does a nice job of throttling so it doesn't get too hot.

malek777 said:
The only advantage of having the s4 over the g2 is you can flash google edition roms if you get bored of touchwiz.which also means that the s4 will probably get kitakat as a google edition update faster than other phones. If you dont care about vanilla android, stick to the g2 it trumps the s4 in every category.
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i wouldnt get the snapdragon version of the s4 anyways, i would get the octacore which would be as getting the same port as the g2 would get from the nexus 5, or cyanogenmod which almost everyphone would get, im just worried about lg as a brand because i havent had any experience with it and those small hardware i cant really stand

I can't comment on the z1 but I had an s4 and now I have the note 3 and the g2. I am so happy with the g2 that the note 3 sits turned off in the box. The g2 is the first android phone that I have not rooted to make it better. As the saying goes if it isn't broken............
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Intub8 said:
I can't comment on the z1 but I had an s4 and now I have the note 3 and the g2. I am so happy with the g2 that the note 3 sits turned off in the box. The g2 is the first android phone that I have not rooted to make it better. As the saying goes if it isn't broken............
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what about durability, have you had any experiences with dropping or anything similar because theres only one drop test on yt and it didnt fare very well there

samkle said:
what about durability, have you had any experiences with dropping or anything similar because theres only one drop test on yt and it didnt fare very well there
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You're asking some of the silliest question that you can research yourself... Like most smartphone if you drop it you're f-ed, which is why people put them in cases and or add insurance.
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what about durability, have you had any experiences with dropping or anything similar because theres only one drop test on yt and it didnt fare very well there
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All the drop tests that sites conduct are complete BS. If you want a phone to survive any drop they you would've gotten a) a Nokia or b) an Armor case from Otterbox.
Simply put, if you want drop protection, buy the phone in my signature. It sucks crap at everything except for durability. And the Z1 shouldn't get any more praise than any other phone; drop it from a considerable height and you'll have a mess.

Ive owned the S4, HTC One, and S4 active (and more but those are the most current) this is by far the best I love it... The only complaint I have is it took me so many phones to find the perfect one

Is there anywhere to get the 32gb in UK, as I keep reading conflicting information about if it does have a memory card slot or not

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Is there anywhere to get the 32gb in UK, as I keep reading conflicting information about if it does have a memory card slot or not
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Only on the korean version

prices slashed already

2 months in, and tmobile is already taking $120 off the retail price. sales must be horrendous

I bought my G4 about 1 month ago and mention this discount to a representative who credited my EIP $60 as as courtesy.
Through my trials and tribulations with the G4 I was able to submit three different rebates for both the extra battery and the 128 SD card and sold them all on eBay for an additional $270 minus fees... So all in all I'm in the G4 for dirt cheap but I'm still not satisfied with this piece of crap phone.
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This root less phone is just not worth anything.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & LG G4

every day I use the phone I find more bugs. I can no longer type fast because it misses so many taps. My phone is froze every morning from the wireless charger, so is my girlfriends. half the time double tapping the volume down won't open the camera. if I get a text my screen will turn on and stay on. it will never turn off until I read the text message. If I have an app up that keeps the screen on and I hit the power button, when I turn the screen back on to check the time it will stay on and never go off, even though still at lock screen. I could go on forever. I bet root would fix 98% of this. I think the worst problem, missed taps, is a hardware issue and cannot be fixed with software or root. I'm afraid the phone is complete ****.

I think everyone that has issues should try one factory reset. I feel like that solved all of my problems. Root would be very nice but not a deal breaker like it used to be for me. Now that I have kids the number one priority for me is the camera, and this is about the best there is.
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every day I use the phone I find more bugs. I can no longer type fast because it misses so many taps. My phone is froze every morning from the wireless charger, so is my girlfriends. half the time double tapping the volume down won't open the camera. if I get a text my screen will turn on and stay on. it will never turn off until I read the text message. If I have an app up that keeps the screen on and I hit the power button, when I turn the screen back on to check the time it will stay on and never go off, even though still at lock screen. I could go on forever. I bet root would fix 98% of this. I think the worst problem, missed taps, is a hardware issue and cannot be fixed with software or root. I'm afraid the phone is complete ****.
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Root isn't gonna fix any of it. It's not some magic thing that does anything really but make your system partition writable. If you're having all of those issues (and the same to the other people having issues) you've probably just got a bad phone from a bad batch of them. I had to RMA my first one, no further issues. Rather than continuously dump on the phone (which, by the way, I don't particularly care for either, and won't have another LG phone in the future, but my issues aren't with bad hardware/software, mostly company dynamics), try and get it fixed/replaced. Your issues will probably be largely fixed.
The factory reset is also a good idea, and will tend to fix most issues...but in the event it doesn't, simply get it replaced. But honestly the hollering about how bad the phone is...? Overall it's a decent piece of hardware. Not the best, but not the worst by any means. Take matters into your own hands and get the thing fixed/replaced.

I have has two G4 devices, and both have been flawless. I have no tap issues and I'm a fast typer. Then there are the people that have been talking about other bugs. I'm just so happy with my G4. Of course every aspect could be bettered, but that's true with every device. I love the G4 and here in Europe the prices drop on every device sooner or later. Especially in down times where people aren't buying phones. Everyone here is getting ready to go on vacation ...
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smw6180 said:
Root isn't gonna fix any of it. It's not some magic thing that does anything really but make your system partition writable. If you're having all of those issues (and the same to the other people having issues) you've probably just got a bad phone from a bad batch of them. I had to RMA my first one, no further issues. Rather than continuously dump on the phone (which, by the way, I don't particularly care for either, and won't have another LG phone in the future, but my issues aren't with bad hardware/software, mostly company dynamics), try and get it fixed/replaced. Your issues will probably be largely fixed.
The factory reset is also a good idea, and will tend to fix most issues...but in the event it doesn't, simply get it replaced. But honestly the hollering about how bad the phone is...? Overall it's a decent piece of hardware. Not the best, but not the worst by any means. Take matters into your own hands and get the thing fixed/replaced.
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root will fix most of it what are you talking about. xposed framework will fix almost everything. And I don't continuously dump on the phone, this is a thread about the phone not being that great. If you love it and have no issues go find a new thread. I don't particularly care for your opinion either. I have already had it replaced once. I have every intention on changing it out again, but I'll wait a month or so for them to fix the bugs vs getting another **** phone. I might add that when I spoke to LG they said the Verizon ones are having the most trouble.....and that the only difference was software....so once again I believe root will help.

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root will fix most of it what are you talking about. xposed framework will fix almost everything. And I don't continuously dump on the phone, this is a thread about the phone not being that great. If you love it and have no issues go find a new thread. I don't particularly care for your opinion either. I have already had it replaced once. I have every intention on changing it out again, but I'll wait a month or so for them to fix the bugs vs getting another **** phone. I might add that when I spoke to LG they said the Verizon ones are having the most trouble.....and that the only difference was software....so once again I believe root will help.
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This thread is about the price cut. OP never mentioned anything about phone being horrible. Keep this stay on topic. Some of us were able to get partial refund. Please don't hijack the topic and steer into wrong subject.
This isn't the place to talk about rooting the device.
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"but I'm still not satisfied with this piece of crap phone. "
so I agree with op but I'm not on topic...or your all can't read....

shootind5nukes said:
"but I'm still not satisfied with this piece of crap phone. "
so I agree with op but I'm not on topic...or your all can't read....
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I'm the one who said that and I'm not the OP
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I'm the one who said that and I'm not the OP
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I see that now, I hate how the first post appears, I always overlook it. I was off topic.

Already? For contracts they were slashed week one. Free with contract on Amazon

I am perhaps wrong but the G2 and G3 prices didn't go down the same way?
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Seriously now, I think most people realize that the g4 is in fact a piece of crap.

Because the S6 and the M9 are so much better..
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Dennisg34 said:
Because the S6 and the M9 are so much better..
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Not sure if serious...

TheBiles said:
Not sure if serious...
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Sarcasm at the tools crapping on this phone above..
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Because the S6 and the M9 are so much better..
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Yeah current flagship phones have all been nightmares... S6 get real close if it wasn't for the damn battery it probably be the perfect device.
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Yeah current flagship phones have all been nightmares... S6 get real close if it wasn't for the damn battery it probably be the perfect device.
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My wife has the S6, my G4 blows it out of the water
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[Returning the Note 7 due to locked bootloader]

All 3 of my Note 7's are going back!
I'm curious to see how big we can get this thread and I hope it makes a statement.
Dumb T-mobile...becoming ATT and Verizon. Actually with the S7 and Note 7 stunt with locking the bootloader, they have...
Such a shame. We bought the phone so it should be ours 100% to do what we want with it. Wth is this? A lease program you're pulling?
Sorry, but I along with many others will not fall victim to your rubbish tactics. I will not be a slave to your proprietary bs.
Who's with me?

Not everyone uses Samsung Pay. No excuses can justify being okay with the fact of not having full control over a device we pay for. It's straight up communist.

I'm solving the issue by not buying one. Period. As much as I love the phone, I will wait to see the new Nexux.

Did anyone expect it to be unlocked? Lol
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Did anyone expect it to be unlocked? Lol
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Lol, expected? Not really, that'd be a fantasy after seeing the S7. However, it could have been and having that sliver of hope is / was realistic. Reality? Obviously not the case.
Not saying it'll happen, but this isn't the first time we've been in this position with being faced with the impossible.

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Did anyone expect it to be unlocked? Lol
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Yes I am seriously surprised at the number of people that thought it wouldn't be locked. It is like the whole S7 release all over again but this time anyone familiar with Samsung and especially members of XDA should have not been surprised at all.

Although i dont care about such things, i do think Samsung should unlock the bootloader. Once the phone is fully payed off you should have that option. I dont think anyone on a plan like Jump should have the option because those phones get refurbished and if anyone else has ever bought a rooted phone off Craigslist knows the pain when the seller messed up there phone and now is trying to pawn it off on someone else. Or maybe they put all phones that have the bootloader unlocked on a special list made to the public so people like me can avoid thise phones
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I'm returning mine just because the difference between the note 7 and s7 edge is negligible. Not for $850

chipworkz said:
Yes I am seriously surprised at the number of people that thought it wouldn't be locked. It is like the whole S7 release all over again but this time anyone familiar with Samsung and especially members of XDA should have not been surprised at all.
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The word, "surprised" would only be valid to some, but to most of the enthusiasts, it's not really that we're surprised, it's just that with the international variant (SD820's being offered in markets where there is no Samsung Pay) and with the out cry of the S7, it's not unreasonable to have had a little hope for the Note 7. Long shot? Uh yea, of course...but like I've said, this isn't the first time at the rodeo where we've been faced with the impossible; that became possible in due time.

Come on guys... Seriously? I love rooting and tinkering just as much as anyone... But you are returning all 3 because the bootloader is locked? I'm amazed you bought them in the first place if this is a deal breaker.

If 1000 phones go back they lose a million dollars...Mine will be one of them as well.... If we stuck together in the first place they would HAVE to listen....Lock Bootloaders...whatever, but give us that want a solution one...Unlock for the Root Community...the most creative and die hard enthusiast deserve better than this
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Lets start another petition...and fight for our right to Root!
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DionWhite33 said:
If 1000 phones go back they lose a million dollars...Mine will be one of them as well.... If we stuck together in the first place they would HAVE to listen....Lock Bootloaders...whatever, but give us that want a solution one...Unlock for the Root Community...the most creative and die hard enthusiast deserve better than this
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No not really, that is a potential lose but in actuality they will just go into the refurbished pool. 1000 phones is still nothing out of the 25+ million phones they will sell. That is based just on the Q2 sales numbers of the S7 \ S7E. The 1000 phones is only 0.004 % of 25 million phones.
Also returns are just part of everyday business and expected. Unless the return rate was a high percentage, it is just normal business to them.

Unfortunately our numbers and desires mean nothing to them compared to their own...
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chipworkz said:
No not really, that is a potential lose but in actuality they will just go into the refurbished pool. 1000 phones is still nothing out of the 25+ million phones they will sell. That is based just on the Q2 sales numbers of the S7 \ S7E. The 1000 phones is only 0.004 % of 25 million phones.
Also returns are just part of everyday business and expected. Unless the return rate was a high percentage, it is just normal business to them.
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I know...just felt good to say...

Why can't we just flash the unlocked w8 bootloader? N5 was always interchangeable, and w8 is also sd820, so why not? Someone should try...they may have left us an out...
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DionWhite33 said:
I know...just felt good to say...
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lol I know man, this is how I felt when I got the S7E. I said I was done with Samsung and would never buy a locked down phone. Well here I am with my Note7 knowing it was locked. I would prefer to have the option to root and flash custom roms if I wanted to but I decided to just stay stock which is why I was fine buying the phone.
There just isn't another phone out or soon to be out from what I have seen to match this. I am still keeping the Note5 for the wife so if I really get the itch to flash something, I can always do it on that one.

thatisandwas said:
Come on guys... Seriously? I love rooting and tinkering just as much as anyone... But you are returning all 3 because the bootloader is locked? I'm amazed you bought them in the first place if this is a deal breaker.
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I would have waited to see if it was locked before I bought it.
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Rx8Driver said:
Why can't we just flash the unlocked w8 bootloader? N5 was always interchangeable, and w8 is also sd820, so why not? Someone should try...they may have left us an out...
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I am sure there is more to it than that but it is a different scenario than what we had with the S7. I would think that this is the most likelihood of the T-Mobile version getting unlocked. BUT with the reports of the F model getting the update that locked down it's bootloader, I think there is a good chance that they will all be locked down before long.

chipworkz said:
I am sure there is more to it than that but it is a different scenario than what we had with the S7. I would think that this is the most likelihood of the T-Mobile version getting unlocked. BUT with the reports of the F model getting the update that locked down it's bootloader, I think there is a good chance that they will all be locked down before long.
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If this will work now that's all we need...flash the bootloader from w8 and don't take any ota updates...they can't force us to update...
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Rx8Driver said:
If this will work now that's all we need...flash the bootloader from w8 and don't take any ota updates...they can't force us to update...
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True, once rooted the update can't be forced. The value of the rooted phones could really go up since the supply will start to dwindle.

Just got V20 anything I need to watch for?

My v10 got the boot loop of death yesterday so I was essentially forced to upgrade since the phone was out of the warranty period. I wanted to keep my v10 but if I was going to have to start all over I figure I mind as well upgrade.
I miss the design of the v10 it felt heavy and sturdy compared to the v20, especially miss the rails on the side they gave the phone a good feel. I am one of the few that prefers a heavier phone.
The only two issues I have heard about are:
- using non-certified USB type c charge cables may lead to boot loops and other problems
- protect the lens because it breaks easily.
Any other issues I need to know about? T-Mobile variant fyi.
Thanks guys.
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Don't shower with it.

evo4g63t said:
My v10 got the boot loop of death yesterday so I was essentially forced to upgrade since the phone was out of the warranty period. I wanted to keep my v10 but if I was going to have to start all over I figure I mind as well upgrade.
I miss the design of the v10 it felt heavy and sturdy compared to the v20, especially miss the rails on the side they gave the phone a good feel. I am one of the few that prefers a heavier phone.
The only two issues I have heard about are:
- using non-certified USB type c charge cables may lead to boot loops and other problems
- protect the lens because it breaks easily.
Any other issues I need to know about? T-Mobile variant fyi.
Thanks guys.
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You can from the V10.
So in keeping things short, no nothing really to watch out for.
But enjoy

I haven't heard of boot loops using non certified cables yet. Do you have a link?

me2151 said:
I haven't heard of boot loops using non certified cables yet. Do you have a link?
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It's actually here its not confirmed to be the cause but its what LG is claiming.
I hope that's the case because i certainly don't want the freaking G4 boot loop to continue on the v20.
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-says-an-lg-v20-bootloop-was-caused-by-a-cheap-usb-type-c-cable/
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evo4g63t said:
It's actually here its not confirmed to be the cause but its what LG is claiming.
I hope that's the case because i certainly don't want the freaking G4 boot loop to continue on the v20.
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-says-an-lg-v20-bootloop-was-caused-by-a-cheap-usb-type-c-cable/
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I thought that was confirmed not the truth. Also i think that is the only phone so far that has "bootlooped" Granted when I bricked mine I played it off as a boot/update loop....

Haven't had a single issue...coming from the buggy G5.
This is the best all around, rootable phone I've ever had. And I've had many since the G1.

evo4g63t said:
My v10 got the boot loop of death yesterday so I was essentially forced to upgrade since the phone was out of the warranty period. I wanted to keep my v10 but if I was going to have to start all over I figure I mind as well upgrade.
I miss the design of the v10 it felt heavy and sturdy compared to the v20, especially miss the rails on the side they gave the phone a good feel. I am one of the few that prefers a heavier phone.
The only two issues I have heard about are:
- using non-certified USB type c charge cables may lead to boot loops and other problems
- protect the lens because it breaks easily.
Any other issues I need to know about? T-Mobile variant fyi.
Thanks guys.
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I got the bootloop of death on my V10 this weekend, I sent it to LG and swapped my S6 for the V20.....

ATLDON said:
I got the bootloop of death on my V10 this weekend, I sent it to LG and swapped my S6 for the V20.....
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How'd you swap s6 for v20? Was that with v10 return? That's a pretty good swap if I may add.

kparikh82276 said:
How'd you swap s6 for v20? Was that with v10 return? That's a pretty good swap if I may add.
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I purchased the V10 from a private seller, the S6 I purchased from T-Mobile so I upgraded the S6 for the V20

Dont install facebook and messenger
They kills the performance