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Root without Knox possible? Do I lose my data?

Hi,
Well I made it half a year without root but I want my adaway back. Adguard just doesn't work very well.
Is it in the meantime possible to root without triggering Knox? I don't really care that much anymore but if it was, I would go for it.
Also, can I root without having to format the phone?
Thanks!

fBx said:
Hi,
Well I made it half a year without root but I want my adaway back. Adguard just doesn't work very well.
Is it in the meantime possible to root without triggering Knox? I don't really care that much anymore but if it was, I would go for it.
Also, can I root without having to format the phone?
Thanks!
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You better not root if you wanna play safe on this side. and about the ad block, format onece and purchase a good anti virus (internet security) which doesn't even cost much. it'll prevent phising web page and adware away from your phone. although android is based on linux. so it won't be virus affected just yet. happy use.
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hasibgns said:
You better not root if you wanna play safe on this side. and about the ad block, format onece and purchase a good anti virus (internet security) which doesn't even cost much. it'll prevent phising web page and adware away from your phone. although android is based on linux. so it won't be virus affected just yet. happy use.
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By the way rooting means tripping the knox warranty forever.
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Soooo, root will Trigger Knox. Alright.
But can I root without having to Format?

fBx said:
Soooo, root will Trigger Knox. Alright.
But can I root without having to Format?
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Exactly
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fBx said:
Soooo, root will Trigger Knox. Alright.
But can I root without having to Format?
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yes, you can root without formatting your device. But knox will be tripped which could cause samsung/dealer to refuse to repair your phone.

Netguard from github is working nicely for adblocking without root

fBx said:
Hi,
Well I made it half a year without root but I want my adaway back. Adguard just doesn't work very well.
Is it in the meantime possible to root without triggering Knox? I don't really care that much anymore but if it was, I would go for it.
Also, can I root without having to format the phone?
Thanks!
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.getadhell.androidapp
Free
Or
https://disconnect.me
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Bluetoth10 said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.getadhell.androidapp
Free
Or
https://disconnect.me
Sent from my SM-G935W8 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Thanks! The adhell thingy looks fine and seems to work. And it doesn't need a simulated VPN like Adguard.

Just installed adhell and it looks like it works very well. Any advantages of disconnect me?

I think there is a way to reset knox, but dont know, wether a link is allowed or not here!?

As long as it is no scam, why should it be forbidden?

McTaumel said:
I think there is a way to reset knox, but dont know, wether a link is allowed or not here!?
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There is no way to reset Knox.

Only way i know u can reset knox is by replacing the phones mainboard

McTaumel said:
I think there is a way to reset knox, but dont know, wether a link is allowed or not here!?
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It's not possible and ofc you can post links...
P.S. adhell > all... love it

Samsung Pay on rooted S8

Hello, I just installed TRWP and custom firmware, so my knox obviously is broken. I was wondering is there a way to make samsung pay work yet? Or maybe Android pay? I really liked nfc payments.

If you have a gear watch you may be able to sideload an older version of SPay onto each and have a working SPay on your watch.
Not sure if that technique works for this device or only non Samsung devices though...
But otherwise, no you won't have working SPay on your 0x1 device. Android Pay probably, yes.

Magisk could be working I guess
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murok9042 said:
Magisk could be working I guess
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Can you explain please? Is there a special magisk module for nfc payments?

kazzaqov said:
Can you explain please? Is there a special magisk module for nfc payments?
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The way Android Pay works is by using a check called SafetyNet. Magisk fools the system with root by being a systemless root so nothing is tampered with, and in a nutshell, SafetyNet passes its checks and such Android Pay works.
Samsung Pay uses a different set of checks which fail majority of the time. There's been a few instances where people have been able to use Samsung Pay with the use of Magisk but is patched rather quickly.

TehPirate_ said:
Samsung Pay uses a different set of checks which fail majority of the time. There's been a few instances where people have been able to use Samsung Pay with the use of Magisk but is patched rather quickly.
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Samsung Pay stores info in KNOX, so blowing your e-fuse kills Samsung Pay for the life of the device. Doubt there's a way around it.

Can i still usee samsung pay with my rooted s8
will there be any way i can still use samsung pay with my rooted s8 plus

luke1517 said:
will there be any way i can still use samsung pay with my rooted s8 plus
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*Face palm* >_<

luke1517 said:
will there be any way i can still use samsung pay with my rooted s8 plus
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Nope

I know this is an old thread but don't want to start a new just for an update.
Still not possible to get it to work with a rooted tripped phone?
Coming from nexus, first thing I did was root and make a nandroid...
Also flashing stock and locking doesn't revert this? How does this fuse work? Is it hardware or how come you can't just flash the original?

Bresch said:
I know this is an old thread but don't want to start a new just for an update.
Still not possible to get it to work with a rooted tripped phone?
Coming from nexus, first thing I did was root and make a nandroid...
Also flashing stock and locking doesn't revert this? How does this fuse work? Is it hardware or how come you can't just flash the original?
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It's a fuse located on mainboard which is being "blown" after unlocking the bootloader / rooting. So there's no way to revert this unless you change the mobo on it.... Which I doubt ?
With Magisk, Android Pay is working flawlessly. I'm using it all the time on Note8 port.

jonny908 said:
It's a fuse located on mainboard which is being "blown" after unlocking the bootloader / rooting. So there's no way to revert this unless you change the mobo on it.... Which I doubt
With Magisk, Android Pay is working flawlessly. I'm using it all the time on Note8 port.
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Ah, thought it wasn't a hardware thing and just code.
How are you getting that to work? I have magisk 15.2 on the s8+ and hidden from all the apps i can think of in magisk and it still tells me access denied blabla

Bresch said:
Ah, thought it wasn't a hardware thing and just code.
How are you getting that to work? I have magisk 15.2 on the s8+ and hidden from all the apps i can think of in magisk and it still tells me access denied blabla
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It just works... Using 7.1.1 rom.

Bresch said:
I know this is an old thread but don't want to start a new just for an update.
Still not possible to get it to work with a rooted tripped phone?
Coming from nexus, first thing I did was root and make a nandroid...
Also flashing stock and locking doesn't revert this? How does this fuse work? Is it hardware or how come you can't just flash the original?
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Nope and never will work. It's a hardware efuse on the main board of the phone. It's literally trips and burns out. You can't flash stock or anything to revert it.
The only way you can revert it is to buy a new motherboard.

Samsung Pay
callumbr1 said:
Nope and never will work. It's a hardware efuse on the main board of the phone. It's literally trips and burns out. You can't flash stock or anything to revert it.
The only way you can revert it is to buy a new motherboard.
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I just rooted my S8+ with Party Cyborg it is a 955U1 and I did not like the fact it could not use health or Samsung pay with my S3 so I put back the orig factory rom and all is working now, Before I factory defaulted it the my device has been rooted and Samsung pay will not work was keeping me from using it but when I went back to factory it works great now. The phone was on V2 firmware not sure if they did away with the efuse or what but I was glad....

Jabercrombie1 said:
I just rooted my S8+ with Party Cyborg it is a 955U1 and I did not like the fact it could not use health or Samsung pay with my S3 so I put back the orig factory rom and all is working now, Before I factory defaulted it the my device has been rooted and Samsung pay will not work was keeping me from using it but when I went back to factory it works great now. The phone was on V2 firmware not sure if they did away with the efuse or what but I was glad....
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Because rooting snapdragon doesn't trip Knox.

im sorry to necropost, but has anything developed in the 10 months since this was last discussed? i miss samsung pay on my gear s3 frontier

youdoofus said:
im sorry to necropost, but has anything developed in the 10 months since this was last discussed? i miss samsung pay on my gear s3 frontier
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You can use samsung pay on your gear s3 on a rooted phone by hiding samsung pay (gear) in magiskhide and setting it up like normal, make sure you pass safetynet

Bresch said:
I know this is an old thread but don't want to start a new just for an update.
Still not possible to get it to work with a rooted tripped phone?
Coming from nexus, first thing I did was root and make a nandroid...
Also flashing stock and locking doesn't revert this? How does this fuse work? Is it hardware or how come you can't just flash the original?
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Unfortunately, once you rooted your Sammy device you can't get features such as Samsung Pay back due to the blown e-fuse. However, rooting with Magisk will let you use Google Pay. I've been using it basically every day for the past 6 months and not once have I missed Samsung Pay. If by any chance your phone doesn't pass the SafetyNet check there is always modules such as MagiskHide Props Config which will let you change your fingerprint to a certified one, therefore passing the SafetyNet check.

Need some help to fix 2 small problems after root

This isn't my first time rooting my Android device, I have done it multiple times and I know what to expect and what not to. I recently rooted my S7 Edge Tmo Nougat and I am having problems with the fingerprint sensor. It simply won't work and says there's been an error in the fingerprint sensor. I tried wiping the cache partition and I got not luck. Second of all, I knew this before I rooted, but is there anyway at all for me to be able to use Android Pay or Samsung pay again after rooting? It's probably impossible and I was expecting that, but I thought I ask anyway in case there's a way I haven't heard of. Obviously, Xposed and RootCloak isn't an option seeing how there isn't Xposed for Nougat yet.
Any help with my problems is highly appreciated. Thanks a lot guys.

About.. sensors.. i don't know.. about that apps.. if you change system to Official.. or you will just hide knox.. to 0x0.. it will work

ManXXXX said:
About.. sensors.. i don't know.. about that apps.. if you change system to Official.. or you will just hide knox.. to 0x0.. it will work
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Lmao what. Care to clarify, please? I am not sure I understand.

Bumping this. I only need help with getting my fingerprint to work now. I was able to get AndroidPay to work by disabling super user in SuperSU before using it. Only AndroidPay though, not Samsung pay.

Try jrkruse root.bat Part of the script has fingerprint fix your able to choose from.

Knox apps destroyed

Hi just got my s8 plus and I'm just wondering I want to root and been searching around about what tripping knox brakes but keep getting mixed views
I will be rooting and flashing a custom Rom and kernel would someone be kind enough to list every app that get broken and is not fixed even by a custom Rom or kernel (like iris scanner,s Health, ect)
As I really want to root but don't want to damage too many apps in the process
Many thanks also my model is the SM-G955F

brockyneo said:
Hi just got my s8 plus and I'm just wondering I want to root and been searching around about what tripping knox brakes but keep getting mixed views
I will be rooting and flashing a custom Rom and kernel would someone be kind enough to list every app that get broken and is not fixed even by a custom Rom or kernel (like iris scanner,s Health, ect)
As I really want to root but don't want to damage too many apps in the process
Many thanks also my model is the SM-G955F
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Samsung pay - permanently broken
Secure folder - permanently broken
That's it really

callumbr1 said:
Samsung pay - permanently broken
Secure folder - permanently broken
That's it really
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Cant they work with faked 0x0 knox kernel ?

Well if that's it then I'll go ahead and root as I don't use them 2 apps anyways
Thanks

nikexv2 said:
Cant they work with faked 0x0 knox kernel ?
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No unfortunately not, Knox is a fuse on the motherboard. Once tripped it burns. So far only way to get Knox back would be to change the motherboard

callumbr1 said:
No unfortunately not, Knox is a fuse on the motherboard. Once tripped it burns. So far only way to get Knox back would be to change the motherboard
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Yes but the apps and system dont read the statuts directly from the bootloader but from the kernel, this is why there is a kernel that has faked 0x0 knox, but the fuse is still blown yes.

nikexv2 said:
Yes but the apps and system dont read the statuts directly from the bootloader but from the kernel, this is why there is a kernel that has faked 0x0 knox, but the fuse is still blown yes.
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You can use terminal to change Knox to 0x0 but still. S health will work and some apps, but not secure folder or Samsung pay

so, knox tripped and rooted on stock unmodified rom :
safety net fail : (no apps like samsung pay, Pokemon go, Mario run, snapchat login ,etc)
no system updates
samsung apps won't work : samsung pass, samsung pay, Shealth, secure folder, issue with private mode on samsung internet,
if you use a custom rom most of stuff CAN be fixed like
safety net pass with magisk hide (root)
s health work
private mode on internet
BUT some are permanent and can't be fixed even with custom rom so once rooted , no way back except buy new phone
samsung pass, samsung pay, secure folder
Remember that once you are rooted and knox counter is tripped (0x1), its irreversible and can't be "unrooted" or be official and reset knox counter even by flashing stock firmware though odin because since galaxy s7 the knox counter is not software related but its hardware. its an electronic fuse and if you root or install custom recovery etc the electronic fuse will broke and broken fuse mean tripped knox counter. this is because even flashing stock firmware is useless, as most of Samsung apps knox related don't only check root but also the knox counter, so unroot won't help. so think twice before rooting your device

callumbr1 said:
You can use terminal to change Knox to 0x0 but still. S health will work and some apps, but not secure folder or Samsung pay
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Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google

nikexv2 said:
Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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su
resetprop -v ro.config.tima 0
Type that in terminal. It will make Knox show 0x0 on device ONLY. Download mode will still show as 0x1.

nikexv2 said:
Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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its useless, Samsung knox apps dont check if they see 0x0 but it just put some electricity though the knox fuse and if it get though it its ok but if the electricity dont success to get through the fuse it mean its broken so I mean knox is 0x1 and rooted.
fake knox counter is useless as every knox eligibility checks are hardware and not software. fake 0x0 is only for you ^^to reset the counter only way is the replace the motherboard, even Samsung can't reset it

robhug said:
its useless, Samsung knox apps dont check if they see 0x0 but it just put some electricity though the knox fuse and if it get though it its ok but if the electricity dont success to get through the fuse it mean its broken so I mean knox is 0x1 and rooted.
fake knox counter is useless as every knox eligibility checks are hardware and not software. fake 0x0 is only for you ^^to reset the counter only way is the replace the motherboard, even Samsung can't reset it
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There has to be some hardware abstraction layer, you can't just test the fuse each time, that would mean that the apps have really low level rights/api to do so wich is risky. The bootloader tests the fuse and writes the value to the kernel, wich can be faked to make some apps work.
If the value is checked by apps then there is a software value other than the hardware status.
But dont quote me on that.
For apps that dont work i think there is some selinux policies issues or root gets detected.
Why would devs include the fake 0x0 counter if it was useless ?

darn making me think twice about rooting now i mainly want it for debloating,apps ad blocking,viper4android,and a few mods like stereo speaker and camera mod
also the youtube mod which allows us to stream 4k (i know we only have 2k display) but i still like to stream in 4k

brockyneo said:
darn making me think twice about rooting now i mainly want it for debloating,apps ad blocking,viper4android,and a few mods like stereo speaker and camera mod
also the youtube mod which allows us to stream 4k (i know we only have 2k display) but i still like to stream in 4k
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I have rooted for the exact reasons you stated above. Wouldn't go back even if I could. Using the terminal code I posted allows you to use some apps that rely on 0x0. Samsung health is one of them as I use it every day.

callumbr1 said:
I have rooted for the exact reasons you stated above. Wouldn't go back even if I could. Using the terminal code I posted allows you to use some apps that rely on 0x0. Samsung health is one of them as I use it every day.
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to be honest ive rooted every device ive had dating back to the htc hd2 lol
that's why i sent the xperia xz premium back was due to locked bootloader which looks near impossible to root
ill properly root i just didn't want to destroy any apps which made any hardware not work properly but if everything works (apart from samsung pay and secure folder) which i don't use both then should be worth the trip lol :silly:

brockyneo said:
to be honest ive rooted every device ive had dating back to the htc hd2 lol
that's why i sent the xperia xz premium back was due to locked bootloader which looks near impossible to root
ill properly root i just didn't want to destroy any apps which made any hardware not work properly but if everything works (apart from samsung pay and secure folder) which i don't use both then should be worth the trip lol :silly:
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And also I can confirm Samsung pass doesn't work also. However I never use it so that doesn't bother me. To be honest I would root just for viper4android. And I use android pay instead of Samsung pay which also works perfect

Still haven't rooted yet darn cart make my mind up I've rooted every phone I've had and it's the first thing I normally do :silly:
Does anyone think there will be more knox apps coming out which if knox is tripped we will be missing out on
Or what if Samsung make a few more apps go through knox like s health or iris scanner then we would be stuck then lol
I don't know miss the good old days where you could just go back to stock no worrys

brockyneo said:
Still haven't rooted yet darn cart make my mind up I've rooted every phone I've had and it's the first thing I normally do :silly:
Does anyone think there will be more knox apps coming out which if knox is tripped we will be missing out on
Or what if Samsung make a few more apps go through knox like s health or iris scanner then we would be stuck then lol
I don't know miss the good old days where you could just go back to stock no worrys
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I don't think they will release anything else knox related. At least not for the s8 anyway
S health and iris scanner work perfect now after root, they won't implement them into knox status don't worry.

callumbr1 said:
I don't think they will release anything else knox related. At least not for the s8 anyway
S health and iris scanner work perfect now after root, they won't implement them into knox status don't worry.
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Thanks I'm going to have to root I miss it too much I've given it 3 weeks and I've never used secure folder or Samsung pass so I won't miss them and Samsung pay although i haven't used I will miss lol
Isn't android pay ment to be better anyway?
Thanks again

brockyneo said:
Thanks I'm going to have to root I miss it too much I've given it 3 weeks and I've never used secure folder or Samsung pass so I won't miss them and Samsung pay although i haven't used I will miss lol
Isn't android pay ment to be better anyway?
Thanks again
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I had to root for viper4android amd I'm not running renovate ROM and it so much better than stock.
In my opinion android pay is better and it's supported in many places. But that's my opinion.
If you root I recommend rooting with magisk. So you can use magisk hide and modules. Good luck and post here if you need any help :good:

[Q] Cons of Rooting and Unlock Bootloader

Hi, i just want quick answer for my question is:
What feature that I'll lose after root or unlock my Bootloader alongside tripping my knox? does it have any side effect to camera quality just like Xperia device which lost Bionz Software Processing function after unlocked?
Thanks

You'll lose Samsung Pay.
That's it.

Samsung health too, right?

Eezay said:
Samsung health too, right?
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No you will not lose S Health. I'm rooted and I use it regularly. But before using it you should edit build.prop file and change the line "ro.config.tima=1" to "ro.config.tima=0".
You can find the file in the root directory.

What about Android Pay? And if unrooted later, will Samsung Pay work?

cheekrox said:
What about Android Pay? And if unrooted later, will Samsung Pay work?
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Android Pay may work if Magisk is able to hide root.
Samsung Pay will never work again because it checks the knox status and you cannot modify it.

angourakis said:
Android Pay may work if Magisk is able to hide root.
Samsung Pay will never work again because it checks the knox status and you cannot modify it.
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Hmm, has this been tested? Android Pay on rooted S7 Edge. That would be swell to know.

cheekrox said:
Hmm, has this been tested? Android Pay on rooted S7 Edge. That would be swell to know.
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Yes for both cases.
Samsung Pay checks knox status and since you cannot revert it to its original state, there's no way to get it working.
Magisk can hide root from Android Pay. You just have to make sure SafetyNet is passing. It's not 100%, sometimes Google change things and it starts failing again, but you can try anyway.