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How much bloatware is there is the G2?

Hi guys! I was planning to buy a G2 (actually I am stuck between the G2 and the Droid Maxx!) but I wanted to know how much bloatware there is in the G2 the first time it is run? For example in comparison with Samsung phones. To have a measure how much bloatware is too much bloatware for me, I think Samsung phones have too much of them. How many services and apps are going to be run when I turn the phone on for the first time? If somebody posts a snapshot of the apps and services that are running on the phone I would really appreciate it.

Definitely less than on Samsung but still, LG interface is veery bulky and lovers of stock Android will not be satisfied.
DROID Maxx is not a good choice because of veery old Snapdragon S4.

Michalko5896 said:
Definitely less than on Samsung but still, LG interface is veery bulky and lovers of stock Android will not be satisfied.
DROID Maxx is not a good choice because of veery old Snapdragon S4.
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Thanks! Can you explain why you call it bulky? Is it because it is different than stock android or it is because it gets slow and laggy in particular times? Does it ever get sluggish (for example after installing apps or normal usage for a while)?
P.S. You are right, the Droid Maxx has lower specs and lower benchmark. But my wife has a Moto X (which is pretty similar in CPU, RAM and such to the Droid Maxx) and it is really smooth. You never feel any lag and it is really fast. I know that Motorola has made some optimizations to make the device faster, and the near-stock android also has some share in this.

mmutoo said:
Thanks! Can you explain why you call it bulky? Is it because it is different than stock android or it is because it gets slow and laggy in particular times? Does it ever get sluggish (for example after installing apps or normal usage for a while)?
P.S. You are right, the Droid Maxx has lower specs and lower benchmark. But my wife has a Moto X (which is pretty similar in CPU, RAM and such to the Droid Maxx) and it is really smooth. You never feel any lag and it is really fast. I know that Motorola has made some optimizations to make the device faster, and the near-stock android also has some share in this.
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Because LG UI has tons of features. G2 is not slow phone, not at all. It is very fast. But if you are looking for 100% lag free experience, G2 might not be best choice. What about new Moto X? Or 1+1?

Michalko5896 said:
Because LG UI has tons of features. G2 is not slow phone, not at all. It is very fast. But if you are looking for 100% lag free experience, G2 might not be best choice. What about new Moto X? Or 1+1?
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I think I will be fine with the features as long as they don't stay in the way. Do they? Frankly, the only reasons I am considering the G2 are price (it is 2 years old flagship), the battery and the camera. I really don't like the tweaks they made in the OS, and for that I am open to any suggestions that somehow meet my three above interests.
P.S. One super annoying feature for me is the recent apps button which is simulated by long pressing home! I always hated this in Samsung phones and now it is every where!
P.S. 2. I have heard many good things about 1+1, but it is at least $400 CAD and I'd rather stay with a big name. About the new X, it is also a very good phone but my problem is the price. I cannot afford it right now. I am looking for a flagship device that is 2 years old since the price is really dropped. Motorola cameras are really not impressive though. At least the Maxx compensate for it with the huge battery which the X lacks.

Between the droid maxx and G2, I would go G2 - better 5.2" 1080p screen, smaller bezels, faster processor, better camera, no annoying soft-touch buttons...
I actually like the G2 gui with the added features and customization. A lot of it can be customized to be more vanilla. I don't care for the extra lg apps they throw in tho - luckily most can be disabled. After disabling the apps/bloat I don't use, the number of startup apps is basically the same as any motorola. I don't notice any lag and typically get 5-6 hours of sot in 50-60 hours between charging depending on how I use it - so it's hard to complain. While it may be a little heavy depending on how you configure it, it's nowhere near as bad as any garbage samsung - remember, friends don't let friends buy samsung...
With that said, there are better phones out now with with a stock android experience, Nexus 5x and 2014 moto x come to mind. But if you can get the G2 for cheap, I don't think you can do better.

Thanks for sharing your experience! I was planning to buy the G2 from ebay. By the way, is it a good idea?! There are several sellers that sell it. It is new and they offer return policy and ebay also offers money back guarantee. Is it pretty safe to buy from them? It is listed at around 210 CAD.
About other options, I seriously thought about the Moto X 2014, it has worse camera (compared to the G2), worse battery and screen. On the other hand it is smoother, and has near stock Android. It is above 300 CAD in ebay and telus offers it for 450 CAD! Nexus 5x is even more expensive right now.
Anyways, it is good news that many of the bloatware can be disabled

mmutoo said:
Thanks for sharing your experience! I was planning to buy the G2 from ebay. By the way, is it a good idea?! There are several sellers that sell it. It is new and they offer return policy and ebay also offers money back guarantee. Is it pretty safe to buy from them? It is listed at around 210 CAD.
About other options, I seriously thought about the Moto X 2014, it has worse camera (compared to the G2), worse battery and screen. On the other hand it is smoother, and has near stock Android. It is above 300 CAD in ebay and telus offers it for 450 CAD! Nexus 5x is even more expensive right now.
Anyways, it is good news that many of the bloatware can be disabled
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I don't particularly like buying phones on ebay, but If the seller is reputable and offers hassle-free returns, I don't see a risk in buying it. Quickly looking it up tho, there is only one seller that is selling it specifically as "new" at the $160/210CAD price. They are in Hawaii - I would probably pass on that one. The other sellers at that price are listing it as "new other" and "manufacturer refurbished" which really means used. I would probably get one of the sightly more expensive ones from a good seller so as to be sure that it's actually new and that it's located on the same continent.
Fyi, the 2014 moto x is a superior phone in most respects. The screen is 5.2" 1080p amoled so it's better, not worse. Both of the cameras are good but not the best, and realistically you won't notice the difference between the two. While the rated battery capacity is lower, real world performance is comparable. It has a metal midframe and soft-touch back cover(don't get the leather since it wears quickly) and feels a lot more solid and therefore more premium. It has dual front facing speakers and better button placement. The only downside is that it's a few mm bigger in all dimensions and it's more expensive. Is it worth ~$100 more? idk

You are probably checking ebay.com. I see many options in ebay.ca and the sellers have %99+ positive feedback! It is trending now at around 215 CAD. About the X, if the AMOLED is saturated as it is in the 2013 model, I really think the LCD on the G2 is probably better. The camera on the G2 has OIS and I expected it to have better performance noticeably. Have you ever had the chance to compare them? Honestly I love Motorola devices and as you said they look more solid and premium. My only problem with the 2014 X was burn-in problem with the AMOLED display and the camera. Not even the battery.

mmutoo said:
You are probably checking ebay.com. I see many options in ebay.ca and the sellers have %99+ positive feedback! It is trending now at around 215 CAD. About the X, if the AMOLED is saturated as it is in the 2013 model, I really think the LCD on the G2 is probably better. The camera on the G2 has OIS and I expected it to have better performance noticeably. Have you ever had the chance to compare them? Honestly I love Motorola devices and as you said they look more solid and premium. My only problem with the 2014 X was burn-in problem with the AMOLED display and the camera. Not even the battery.
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be careful some sellers sell the g2 as d802 and the inside motherboard could be a d800 and if you flash wrong file it will brick the phone.. best thing is to open the phone and check the motherboard model to make sure what variant you have..

Ok! Thanks. I will definitely check, although I will probably not end up flashing any rom on it.

mmutoo said:
Ok! Thanks. I will definitely check, although I will probably not end up flashing any rom on it.
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ok then whats the point in beign in xda
none othe than to flash roms LOL
just playing with you

I am here cause everybody is very nice and helpful and reply to my questions really quickly. Thanks everybody!

$400 Sale On X Compact

The X Compact is listed for $399.99 at Best Buy and Amazon this week. The Z5 Compact had a couple sales at this price, but I never saw it go lower. I can't remember seeing the older Xperia X go considerably under this price from any major retailer. Based on what I've seen from Sony pricing, it seems like a good time to consider buying. Realistically do you think there's any history from Sony to expect lower prices in 2016?
I've been looking to get a new phone for over a year. I bought an iPhone 7 due to the $200 gift card offer at Best Buy, but I returned it after finding out that it doesn't have an LED or active display for missed notifications. I was planning on switching from Verizon to AT&T, and I'd like the option to go back to Verizon if AT&T doesn't work for me, so this being a GSM-only phone is probably my biggest reservation. Overall it seems like the X Compact hits most of my interest list items, but the 5" Pixel hits a few other items and is only slightly larger than the iPhone 7 was in a Speck case. It looks like I'll need to decide this week which one to get.
Small phone that's faster than current Droid Razr M
LED notification light or active display for missed notifications
Compatible with AT&T and Verizon (Doesn't apply to X Compact)
Long-term updates (Google phones will likely get more updates than Sony)
Cases available for screen protection and hiding Scoche Magic Mount
Unlockable bootloader for root
Prefer metal construction (Doesn't apply to X Compact)

My new XC from Amazon literally come in the mail yesterday. ..if I had only waited a few more days I'd have saved $50. To me size is the most important factor so there are basically no other options sub 5", I am willing to pay a premium price for a smaller phone. First impression is I'm really happy with the phone and I think at $400 it's ok to make the jump now if you're on the fence. Frankly I don't understand all the negativity that I read about this phone and I hope more people from the Z3 compact upgrade but who knows. Lack of dev support is the only drawback I currently see.

PRODIG4L said:
if I had only waited a few more days I'd have saved $50.
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I've never used the feature, but apparently the credit card I use most often happens to be one that has price protection, and it looks like this item would qualify.

you can always send it back to amazon and re-order to save 50usd if thats worth it to you
anyhow the phone looks great at that price point and it's tempting. i think most of the negative feedback is that people want an exceptional phone if its not from samsung/apple/google (because of various social reasons). the x compact is only a good phone.
on the other hand they're right: if the x compact had an exceptional camera, waterproofing, fingerprint reader by default in the US at least (not even asking for a 821 cpu) i'd jump on it without thinking twice (even at higher price of course).
but in reality, you gotta reflash for fingerprint (which many dont know how, or fear doing), camera is great in certain situations, but not all (specially not low light), its not waterproof, etc.

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I've never used the feature, but apparently the credit card I use most often happens to be one that has price protection, and it looks like this item would qualify.
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I appreciate the advice. I thought it was worth a shot so I called the credit card company, no luck though..
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bilboa1 said:
anyhow the phone looks great at that price point and it's tempting. i think most of the negative feedback is that people want an exceptional phone if its not from samsung/apple/google (because of various social reasons). the x compact is only a good phone.
on the other hand they're right: if the x compact had an exceptional camera, waterproofing, fingerprint reader by default in the US at least (not even asking for a 821 cpu) i'd jump on it without thinking twice (even at higher price of course).
but in reality, you gotta reflash for fingerprint (which many dont know how, or fear doing), camera is great in certain situations, but not all (specially not low light), its not waterproof, etc.
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Mine came with the fingerprint reading working, had French language on by default so obviously not he US model, though I was planning on flashing the British ROM to get it to work so now I can't comment on how easy that would be. As far as the camera, it's light years ahead of my OG Moto G, haven't really tested that out, I suppose I could be disappointed but my wife's Xperia X took great low light pics the other night, I'm assuming the XC has similar performance.
Here's my take on waterproofing, I prefer the phone doesn't have it because from what I've seen waterproof phones are more difficult to disassemble and replace the battery, I've never owned a phone and not replaced the battery and that's an important for me ( I actually check on how difficult a phone is to disassemble before I purchase) for example, that PIXEL may have been a good choice but I think that phone would be very difficult to replace the battery. Anyway thanks for chiming in.

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My new XC from Amazon literally come in the mail yesterday. ..if I had only waited a few more days I'd have saved $50. To me size is the most important factor so there are basically no other options sub 5", I am willing to pay a premium price for a smaller phone. First impression is I'm really happy with the phone and I think at $400 it's ok to make the jump now if you're on the fence. Frankly I don't understand all the negativity that I read about this phone and I hope more people from the Z3 compact upgrade but who knows. Lack of dev support is the only drawback I currently see.
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Call Amazon and ask to be refunded the additional $50. They're usually pretty good about this if an item is returnable (saves them from having to process a return and resend a new phone)
I'm considering an Xc now my Z3c screen digitizer is starting to act up (the apparently-infamous notification bar failure). I really won't miss the camera on the Z3c -- truly terrible IMO -- but I will miss the size and design.

Moto X Style Very Poor SoT

I know there are a lot of threads about the poor battery life on the Moto X Style my case is a bit extreme, My SoT doesn't extend beyond 2 hours and I am considerably a heavy user but I have cut down on most apps and I use those on my Moto Z which is like my second phone, I use that at home but for college I use this Moto X Style and I have to charge it twice daily with apps like Facebook Instagram Messenger WhatsApp one or two arcade games that's it. What could I do to extend my SoT? i don't want to root my phone till I am receiving software updates. I bought this phone in January 16. There are no performance hickups either. I have disabled apps that i don't need too.

TonyStark410 said:
I know there are a lot of threads about the poor battery life on the Moto X Style my case is a bit extreme, My SoT doesn't extend beyond 2 hours and I am considerably a heavy user but I have cut down on most apps and I use those on my Moto Z which is like my second phone, I use that at home but for college I use this Moto X Style and I have to charge it twice daily with apps like Facebook Instagram Messenger WhatsApp one or two arcade games that's it. What could I do to extend my SoT? i don't want to root my phone till I am receiving software updates. I bought this phone in January 16. There are no performance hickups either. I have disabled apps that i don't need too.
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Yeah... Battery life is bad... Stay on WiFi as much as possible. Social media, especially with less than excellent signal will kill the battery on this device. I get anywhere from 2-3.5 hours on a single charge with mixed WiFi and mobile data.

I don't know how but last two security updates made it worse. i used to get around 2.5-3.5 hours but recently it's hardly 2-2.5 hours with mixed 4g and wifi mostly wifi though

Uninstalling Facebook and Facebook messenger would be good for increasing battery life.

TonyStark410 said:
I don't know how but last two security updates made it worse. i used to get around 2.5-3.5 hours but recently it's hardly 2-2.5 hours with mixed 4g and wifi mostly wifi though
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I have the same issue, before updates it's was like 3,5h easily now I got around 2,5. I hope 7.0 will fix this ;\

iks8 said:
I have the same issue, before updates it's was like 3,5h easily now I got around 2,5. I hope 7.0 will fix this ;\
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I hope too till then using my moto z as my main driver but using 4g and VoLTE it's battery also pales out pretty much fast, I guess it's all moto phones which pale out fast. Either phone I need to charge twice to go through the day

Jessooca said:
Heya Ace, Question... You are always on here helping out people, I'm curious as to what you think of the someone going from the Moto X Pure to a G5 Plus. Personally I think it's either the same (in some ways) or a step backwards going to the new G5. Price wise you can get either phone for pretty much the same price; hence my question between the two phones. I actually thought they'd use a snappy 810 as the processor in the G5 Plus
Sent from my S8+ courtesy of Samsung
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Moto G5 Plus is a great device... as far as a downgrade, that's personal opinion of what matters to you. The screen is a downgrade from QHD to fullHD and NFC is lost, but you gain Fingerprint unlock, battery life is increased 50%-100% for SOT, and the SD625 will walk all over the SD808 in terms of performance, both computational and GPU performance. Other than the display itself and the loss of NFC, the G5+ is probably a superior device in my opinion.

Jessooca said:
I was talking to a reviewer friend of mine and he said he was fairly disappointed in the camera quality though.
Superior device? Perhaps you're being generous with the word Superior. Lol
Ok then what about the G4 Plus 64gb 4gb vs G5 Plus 64gb 4gb??
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As I said... All depends on what you want.
G4+ vs G5+ boils mostly down to screen size, build quality, and battery life. G5+ has a smaller screen, but is slimmer, it also has a more efficient processor thus uses less power, but they both use the same 3000mAh battery, this gives the G5+ about a 20% battery life improvement over the G4+. The G5+ also has a metal build and seems of better quality. Camera is a wash quality wise, but reviewers state the G5+ starts up and focuses faster. The G5+ also has a faster processor and GPU.
Winner in my book, the G5+, but realize to me screen size, once it gets over 5" or 1920x1080 resolution, means nothing to me.
I do find it odd on the G5+ Lenovo opted for a smaller display... But 5.2 to 5.5 is not really significant.

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Well if you get a chance, put one in each hand and your mind will change, the skinnier G5 just feels odd and looks meh. It's like holding a Blu R1 HD.
Ok there is a debate going on about the best for under $299 with many saying the Moto G5 Plus is the best bang for your buck but how can that be when the Honor 8 is $260 on Amazon and if you've used it it's hands down a perfect device under $300
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Well, where do I start with this... I have touched all these devices and more. I like the metal feel, better than plastic, again this is just personal preference. The build quality seems noticably better. I thrown them in a case regardless.
I was only making a comparison between those 2 devices, not considering other options or manufacturer's. Personally, the Honor series has great hardware, but EMUI ruins the device completely, especially with how much under the hood crap Huawei has done to prevent you from changing the launcher, seriously, is it that bad to swap a launcher? But if you can deal with the bloat of EMUI or Asus's ZenUI, they are great options in that price range, personally I think the UX ruins the devices from these makers.
Personally, I like the Axon 7 Mini at the $200 price point (BestBuy and others frequently discount it to that price, my son has one, it's great). Plus there is the Blu Vivo 5R, with 3GB RAM, 32GB storage, dual SIM, and an unlocked bootloader with nearly pure Android is nice at $169 (MicroCenter current price, the website doesn't say 5R but that is what's in the store). Or even the $129 Blu Studio XR2 is a fantastic deal.
At the $300 price point, things get interesting... The Blu Pure XR is fantastic, plus they have a few more good devices in that $200-$300 range. Don't count out Blu, the last couple years, especially the last year, they have really stepped up there game.
Pushing that, I'm big fan of the OnePlus 3T but it's pushing a bit out of price range for even high-end budget device.
Yeah... I've been looking... A lot.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Moto G5S Plus, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Moto G5S Plus is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Moto G5S Plus, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Moto G5S Plus is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
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Well Said..!
I was a pixel user. After trying this phone. I totally moved to G5S. Specifically the battery backup....loving it overall....
Hoping to see ROM's soon...

smooth performance ,
good memory mgmt ,
good display ,
bit a small battery for a 5.5" FHD display !!!
but , SD 625 helps there

rasik107 said:
smooth performance ,
good memory mgmt ,
good display ,
bit a small battery for a 5.5" FHD display !!!
but , SD 625 helps there
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So does that mean SD 820 / 825 is optimized for greater battery backup or its just the SD 625 that does the magic?
Just curious to know.

Premkrishna said:
So does that mean SD 820 / 825 is optimized for greater battery backup or its just the SD 625 that does the magic?
Just curious to know.
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both chipsets are great and manufactured on 14nm FinFET Process...
both are battery friendly also due to 14nm process !
for great performance + power efficiency we can consider 820 and ,
for mid-range performance + power efficiency we can consider 625 (625 performs well , not doubt )

Really worth of money

In Love
I am in love with this baby. Only the thing I am upset with Moto team is of the disabled LED light near the front camera. What logic is that? If that is for rooted phones then why rooting should void warranty? Nonsense! They don't want customers to enjoy the features in legal way.

Moto Singh said:
I am in love with this baby. Only the thing I am upset with Moto team is of the disabled LED light near the front camera. What logic is that? If that is for rooted phones then why rooting should void warranty? Nonsense! They don't want customers to enjoy the features in legal way.
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Why do you need LED light when you have Moto Display...?

Geogliff said:
Why do you need LED light when you have Moto Display...?
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Because moto display wakes up at the slightest hint of movement. If I place it on my bed and I sit on the other end of bed it will light up. That's going to waste a lot of battery

1 star less for the camera.

Premkrishna said:
Well Said..!
I was a pixel user. After trying this phone. I totally moved to G5S. Specifically the battery backup....loving it overall....
Hoping to see ROM's soon...
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Hi I am new to xda I would like to ask u on a scale from 1 to 10 how much would u give to pixel and how much to g5s plus.

Aayush124 said:
Hi I am new to xda I would like to ask u on a scale from 1 to 10 how much would u give to pixel and how much to g5s plus.
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Can't speak for Pixel but can speak for Nexus 6P.
I loved my Nexus. Had been a Nexus user since the Nexus 4. The 6P, when it worked, was the capstone of the Nexus range. Gorgeous big screen, well built, excellent performance. I would still be using it now if the well known battery issues (check the forums) hadn't come and bit me. Replaced the battery twice and maybe eked another 6 months out of the phone but I realised recently I needed to get rid of the 6P now if it was to have any resale value.
Looking around there was nothing that real worked as a successor. Wasn't taken with either of the first gen Pixels, and the prices of comparable current phones to the 6P is just insane. Even if I could afford £800-odd I wouldn't pay it for a phone.
For a replacement my criteria was:
5.5 inch or better screen
Half decent ram and processor (so min 3Gb and a Snapdragon 625)
Decent battery life
Ideally no more than £300 - or £400 for a demonstrably premium device.
I had been looking at importing one of the Xiaomi devices, and had briefly looked at a few of the Motorola devices. The G5 series screens were too small, and while I considered the Z Play range they didn't really hit the killer piece/performance mark for me.
When I read the reviews of the G5S Plus I thought "hmmm" - £250 and fulfils my performance, screen size and price criteria. Battery seemed acceptable if not stellar. What sold me was a video where I saw the use of the fingerprint scanner for swipe navigation and the gestures for one handed mode. I'd used a custom rom on the 6P with a one handed mode (which is essential for a big screen) and knowing the G5S Plus had this as stock was the deal clincher.
Have been running it for a little under a week and I have to say I'm impressed.
The screen is very nice. The colours don't "pop" like on the 6P but otherwise it is excellent. Clear and bright, very visible in the day even under direct sunlight. The difference in resolution (1080p v 1400ish p) is not very visible (to my eyes).
Build quality is excellent and it feels just as premium as the 6P did.
The phone runs fluidly and in daily use for email, browsing and general comms needs the experience is pretty much indistinguishable from the 6P. I am also enjoying the swipe to navigate, which is very intuitive and gives me back some of the screen real estate I lost from the 6P.
I am not someone who is particularly bothered about cameras. The couple of pictures I have taken look like the objects I was taking a picture of. The rest I'll leave to someone who cares to give a judgement on!
Overall though, I am very pleased. You get a lot of phone for your money. It is perhaps not quite as good value as the some of the Xiaomi devices, but if you are in the UK I think you'll struggle to find something that's better value and works as well without importing (with all the complications that go with it).
How much would I give the Nexus 6P when the battery is fully charged and it isn't randomly powering off? 9 out of 10 - marvellous phone, the best I've ever had. I will miss it.
How much would I give the Moto G5s? A very close honourable second with 8 out of 10. Does virtually everything the Nexus does (for me) at a much more economical price.

Moto Singh said:
I am in love with this baby. Only the thing I am upset with Moto team is of the disabled LED light near the front camera. What logic is that? If that is for rooted phones then why rooting should void warranty? Nonsense! They don't want customers to enjoy the features in legal way.
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That is my biggest gripe with this phone too. Disabling the led notification light makes no sense. I don't like the Moto notifications. Turning on the screen again and again at the smallest movement uses a lot of battery.
Otherwise, this is a great phone. I moved from the LG Stylo 2 plus. I really like the screen, more RAM, faster processor, and fingerprint scanner on the front.

The phone was good, very good in terms of performance. But I had one only for 11 days because my screen cracked after just a 3 feet drop (!). Sold it and bought a Mi A1, and the latter one is better.

Pretty solid phone. The stock ROM is very sufficient with a non-too-shabby camera and focus features, however I found using Open Camera yielded faster and crisper results. The battery life is quite expected to last a day and charge times are usually an hour and a half with fast charge. There's a much anticipated Oero update on its way which might improve a lot of the features. On custom ROMs, this instance being Oreo, it is very much faster and succintly utilises battery and RAM to apply a wide variety of tweaks. The dev environment is quite good for the XT1806 because of its prevalence in the US, however compatability of ROMs with other NFC-enabled variants (such as the XT1805) would be appreciated. Overall, very solid phone and worth it's price tag.

Just order my 32GB Sanders, Open box from Best Buy, for $212. Its basically new and comes with all accessories, so I couldn't pass up the price. Less than I paid for my G5 Plus! Excited to get it next Tuesday and will post my thoughts on whether it was worth the upgrade over Potter once I receive it.

I could only give this phone 4/5 stars.
I'm glad I pre-ordered the phone directly from Motorola because I paid $299 USD for the 64GB US version and received it as soon as available. It seems to be worth more, now.
I'm NOT glad I ordered the phone at all, because despite having very acceptable specs at a good price, the radios seem to work terribly. It's not my area, it's definitely the phone. Both my girlfriend on her Verizon iPhone and me on my previous Virgin Mobile Moto G3 had 4G LTE all the time at home, and most of the time driving around. Occasionally my girlfriend's VZW phone would have service in rural pockets where my VM/Sprint phone lost network, so for the G5S Plus I switched my carrier to Straight Talk with a ST/Verizon SIM.
Since day one, my G5S Plus has NEVER shown full bars, at any service level. Most of the time AT HOME, I have 1 or 2 bars of oldschool 4G (non-LTE) -- occasionally it drops to 2 bars of 3G and most of the time when I'm driving around it's either a low 3G signal or a low 1X signal - even in the middle of Albany, a city well covered by Verizon, there are spots where MY phone drops to 1X! Meanwhile my girlfriend still has 4G LTE on her iPhone.
This is getting to be a real dealbreaker for me. I found a thread someone else posted about having more or less the same problem. He was using Verzion as well, through a different MVNO. Is this phone known to have poor performance when used on Verizon's network? Lemme ask a different question, is this phone known to have GOOD service on ANY particular network? For anyone?? I would love to know what experience the majority of people are having. Maybe another poll...
I've noticed this problem exists regardless of the ROM (tried stock nougat ROM, lineage oreo, gzr validus oreo - all the same result). My guess is the all-metal body wasn't designed with the pre-existing G5 Plus hardware in mind, since the only things they changed are the screen size, cameras and the chassis, maybe they goofed and the radio inside the metal body sucks. Or it's not selecting the proper APN automatically. I suppose there is a small chance it's a software issue which may be addressed with a future radio update, but for now I'm miffed.
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itslels said:
Just order my 32GB Sanders, Open box from Best Buy, for $212. Its basically new and comes with all accessories, so I couldn't pass up the price. Less than I paid for my G5 Plus! Excited to get it next Tuesday and will post my thoughts on whether it was worth the upgrade over Potter once I receive it.
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I'm glad you got such a good deal. Actually back in September, Amazon had the G5 Plus 64gb (W/OUT ads) for $229 so I bought it. The phone I received worked fine and I don't mind smaller screens, but there was a sort of banding effect in the screen. It was like a transparent layer between the LCD and the backlight where every 10 pixels down, or so, there was a faint line. No matter what was on the screen, I always noticed the banding. I figured it must be a dud so I asked Amazon to send me a replacement. Second G5 Plus looked exactly the same. I returned both. A month later I preordered the G5S Plus and while I know the graphics driver and pixel output are identical to its predecessor, it is a different display panel and this one is flawless.

So my G5s plus arrived today and I've had a little time with it. Here are my initial thoughts on this as a replacement to my G5 plus.
A lot of people might think it's silly to get the G5s plus if you already own the G5 plus, but I'm glad I did. This phone is what the G5 plus should of been originally. The build quality alone is a nice upgrade. It feels so much nicer and sturdier in the hand. And the buttons feel much nicer when pressed and not mushy at all. I actually love the buttons on this device lol.
The little extra screen space is nice and the panels used in this phone are clearly of better quality then the G5 plus. Battery life seems equal to the G5 plus and the camera, sadly, is about equal too. The camera should of been a bigger improvement and is probably my only complaint. It's still a serviceable camera though.
All this added to the fact that I got it cheaper than I paid for my G5 plus, and it has 1GB more ram, doesn't having me feeling any regrets. This is an amazing phone for $214.

one of the worst phones i have ever bought slow laggy near impossible to restore to stock if you unlock bootloader either keep a rom or throw in a bin avoid the phone and motorolla in general not a good phone

I realy like this phone . Good battery backup, cant get this much battery backup from any other 3000 mah battery phone i have used. Minimal heat from screen in brightness conditions, only camera is a bit disappointed, compared to my moto x play. Sound clarity is also good.

Thinking to buy G5 Plus,is it worth buying?

Guys, i'm gonna ask you, is it worth buying Moto G5 Plus right now?
My Grand 2 got a wifi problem so I really need to buy new phone.
Or should I buy other phone? Like Huawei P10 Lite

Yeah it is great and the prices have been coming down since the G5s Plus was announced.

For the money, it can't be beat really. Things to consider though are a lackluster camera and screen. They are both serviceable, but not top of the line by any means. The screen is almost unseeable in direct sunlight with brightness all the way up. The camera is just lackluster all the way around.
...however, the battery life is something dreams are made of and makes it easier to overlock its other short comings. If I had to buy it again, I would.

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Guys, i'm gonna ask you, is it worth buying Moto G5 Plus right now?
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Without knowing your provider, your typical phone usage and other requirements we can do nothing but a guess if the G5 Plus would be worth buying... for you.
For me, very light voice usage, very light texting, occasional email checking and web surfing the phone has been great. Gone as long as five days between charges. Its quick with no lags (64GB non Amazon Prime subsidized version). For me the camera is adequate and works fairly well when used properly. Overall I'm currently very happy with the phone.
The only downsides are the two major issues with this phone that Moto/Lenovo has yet to address and which are well discussed in other threads (and on the Lenovo support site). Low speaker volume on the headset and garbled calls when VoLTE is enabled on Verizon Wireless. That and the fact its still on Android 7.0 is another mark against it. No word in site from Moto/Lenovo on when or even if the two major issues with the phone will be fixed or when they will release security updates for Android.

My wife and I have both been on LG G3s for the last several years. They were released about the same time as your Grand 2. My wife's phone started to have hardware issues, so it was time to get her something else. For a mid range phone at a bargain price, I think the G5 is a great choice. We got the 32gb non ad version off Amazon for $180. You can't go wrong at that price IMHO. Obviously it won't compete with today's flagship phones for things like the camera, but it will be far and away better than your Grand 2's camera. She loves the finger print reader and we never used NFC (which is really the only feature missing from the G5 plus), so it was a great choice for her.