**PLEASE HELP!**
For the past few months, I've been experienceing a problem with certain apps. I'll go in order. Apologies for being rather lengthy, but I wanted to include everything to avoid confusion.
I tried to sideload some kind of computer program file on my Moto G4, unknown to me that it wasn't possible on an Android phone. Somehow, somewhere in the process of opening a zip file, I discover that in my App List, there are certain apps that I have never seen on my phone before.
This was a strange occurence, so I went to delete them, and they wouldn't uninstall no matter how many times I tried. After extensive research and work with some file browsers, I found that these suspicious things have installed themselves to my root directory, specifically, most in my OEM folder.
I tried a factory data reset through the bootloader and a cache partition wipe, and yet, they were still present upon setting up the phone after the process. The strange thing is, they don't appear on my traditional app list, even though they've made themselves part of the system: I had to use an app viewer from the Google Play Store to be able to see them. Every representative from Moto and Google said "are you sure they aren't part of the system?" I can assure you, these apps do not belong on my phone. Some aren't even available in my country, nor am I affiliated with the carriers some apps represent, yet they are on my phone. Some don't even appear in the Play Store: I once again use an app list to view Market Details, as those that aren't available don't show up by normal search.
I've done everything I can think of: multiple wipes and setting up without a backup, setting up a dummy account (where they were still present), exchanging my phone for a replacement, in which case they still appeared, I've even gone as far as to root the phone and install a custom recovery, which did solve the problem (temporarily, unfortunately).
Later, after removing the apps from the root directory with SU, I made a mistake in TWRP Recovery and had to purchase a new phone (Moto G4 Play), as my mistake was too much for me to try to fix.
Well, the phone arrived, I logged in, and there they were. The apps that continue to haunt me. I'm just having trouble understanding how the apps are so persistent, persistent enough to occur on TWO phones. This leads me to believe they're somehow tied to my Google Account, even though these apps are nowhere in my purchase history (because, again, the phones think they're system apps).
No matter how many phones I buy, they'll always come back, it seems. Even after removing the APK files sprinkled in my Root Directory on my ROOTED Moto G4, they were tenacious enough to transfer to the next phone.
I know the problem: they've embedded into the system files. The question is: the system files are local and device specific, how in the world are they carrying over to multiple phones, as if tied with an account of some sort?
Even if I rooted my Moto G4 Play, I know this is only a surface, Band-Aid Fix.. I know know that rooting does not expel the APKs it from whatever they are clinging onto.
NOTE: Even though these apps haven't yet displayed/executed tasks with malicious intents, nor request any permissions within their Application Details Page (appears thru PlayStore App List as they aren't found in my traditional app list), ROM Toolbox and other App Viewers indicate permissions where the Application Details Pages ) failed to indicate.
NOTE: I'm well aware that the app names/app manufacturers are valid and are well known (Motorola Mobility, Republic Wireless, etc.), BUT, my concern is for the fact that some are NOT available in my country, or affiliated with my actual carrier, yet they're on my phone (Canada, Mexico, etc. ->Republic Wireless, Consumer Cellular, etc.). Even if these apps are "valid" the fact that they've found their way onto my phone and may very well be a modified version is cause for concern.
If anyone has had a similar experience and has found a solution, please let me know!
List of Suspicious APKs/Applications With Details:
App Box 0.3.02.52
>Motorola Mobility LLC
>Package Name: com.motorola.brapps
App Widget 1.0_2612
>Bell Canada
>Package Name: ca.bell.wt.android.tunesappswidget
Republic Wireless 3xVPL-32ba3d0-5
>Republic Wireless
>Package Name: com.republicwireless.tel
My Consumer Cellular 2.0.1
>Consumer Cellular, Inc
>Package Name: cci.usage
Prip Omega-5-3-0-1-5
>AT&T Mexico
>Package Name: com.motorola.ptt.prip
Prip Omega-5-4-0-1-5 (Prip-Rádio Nextel)
>Nextel International (Services) Ltd.
>Package Name: com.motorola.ptt.prip.br
What is your phone model? I think you got the US firmware installed, it's the only one with these apps, and they aren't removed but just deactivated when you get it unlocked. I'm downloading the US firmware and will see if I can find them.
EDIT I'll have to install this on my phone since I have Lineage to find out, however I can't do it right now so expect an update later on
bsevcenk said:
What is your phone model? I think you got the US firmware installed, it's the only one with these apps, and they aren't removed but just deactivated when you get it unlocked. I'm downloading the US firmware and will see if I can find them.
EDIT I'll have to install this on my phone since I have Lineage to find out, however I can't do it right now so expect an update later on
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Hi, yes, it's the US firmware. I appreciate your reply, but I fail to understand why applications that are foreign (from Canada, Brazil, Mexico, etc.) would be on my US phone, in the US, or why apps affiliated with carriers I don't use (Consumer Cellular, Republic Wireless, etc.) are on my phone. I've been in the root directory of my original phone (Moto G4) before the incident, and I've never seen them. Besides, they are not installed where system apps would be. It's as if they were installed anywhere that was vulnerable; they installed themselves to the root by whatever happened with downloading that ZIP file.
Tony3610 said:
Hi, yes, it's the US firmware. I appreciate your reply, but I fail to understand why applications that are foreign (from Canada, Brazil, Mexico, etc.) would be on my US phone, in the US, or why apps affiliated with carriers I don't use (Consumer Cellular, Republic Wireless, etc.) are on my phone. I've been in the root directory of my original phone (Moto G4) before the incident, and I've never seen them. Besides, they are not installed where system apps would be. It's as if they were installed anywhere that was vulnerable; they installed themselves to the root by whatever happened with downloading that ZIP file.
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I think these are in the "OEM" partition. I'll try and extract it using TWRP and let you know, since I can't extract it from the stock firmware.
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Yup, these files are actually stored in the oem partition. I've had the 3IE firmware installed on my phone, so I don't have the same apps as you do, but they're there.
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The /app and /priv-app directory contain all these apps. I think you could even remove the apps and re-flash this if you want but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're really experienced with this.
You can get your own oem partition image and explore it by moving into a directory with ADB then executing this command:
Code:
adb shell dd if=/dev/block/platform/soc.0/7824900.sdhci/by-name/oem of=/sdcard/oem.img
This creates the IMG. It might take a while and appear frozen, but don't worry, it's actually making progress.
After that, we want to pull the IMG to our PC:
Code:
adb pull /sdcard/oem.img
You can then remove the IMG from your phone to free up space:
Code:
adb shell rm /sdcard/oem.img
Once you're done, just use 7-zip or something similar to explore the image (right click > 7-zip > open archive).
bsevcenk said:
I think these are in the "OEM" partition. I'll try and extract it using TWRP and let you know, since I can't extract it from the stock firmware.
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Yup, these files are actually stored in the oem partition. I've had the 3IE firmware installed on my phone, so I don't have the same apps as you do, but they're there.
The /app and /priv-app directory contain all these apps. I think you could even remove the apps and re-flash this if you want but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're really experienced with this.
You can get your own oem partition image and explore it by moving into a directory with ADB then executing this command:
Code:
adb shell dd if=/dev/block/platform/soc.0/7824900.sdhci/by-name/oem of=/sdcard/oem.img
This creates the IMG. It might take a while and appear frozen, but don't worry, it's actually making progress.
After that, we want to pull the IMG to our PC:
Code:
adb pull /sdcard/oem.img
You can then remove the IMG from your phone to free up space:
Code:
adb shell rm /sdcard/oem.img
Once you're done, just use 7-zip or something similar to explore the image (right click > 7-zip > open archive).
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Thank you for your research. But, in the past I've looked at the app My Consumer Cellular, stumbling upon it in a search in the Play Store, and it was available for install. After the incident, it just says "Enable" and "Disable" like a system app would. I don't have documented proof of the change, but I can't think that it would be a system app on my phone for any reason. Some of these apps are Brazilian, Mexican and Canadian, but I reside in the US. Some say "not available on your carrier", yet they appear on my phone. I don't even use Republic Wireless, Consumer Cellular or Bell Canada, I use Tracfone for my services.
This leads me to believe it's one of those malware types that install apps to your root directory, making it seem like a system app, impossible to remove. I understand where you're coming from, and your research indicates that those apps are rightfully there, it just rubs me the wrong way that they don't appear in my app list, and are full of one star reviews from people claiming the same as me: malware, bloatware, adware, etc. I forgot to mention that one Motorola representative said "these apps don't belong on your phone" during a call. I'd like to be content with the fact that they're system apps, but I can't logically do so, at least, not at this time.
Sorry to seem hard to please, but I'm still weary of the whole situation. That's not to say I don't appreciate your time and research!
The apps are likely preloaded the way that they are to save money. They are not malware.
d4rk3 said:
The apps are likely preloaded the way that they are to save money. They are not malware.
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I just don't understand why or how apps from another country and carrier would be on my phone. All phones purchased that acquired the problem were factory sealed, and I can guarantee these are not preloaded. I have no affiliation with them, and they aren't even supported by my phone. It even acknowledges that by saying "this app is not available in your country/carrier." This is not preloaded software.
Even if it's not malware, it still doesn't belong on my phone. They appeared one day after a failed attempt at downloading a zip, and I just wish there were a finite solution, because even rooting is only a band-aid fix, as it just transfers to my next phone, anyway.
Thank you.
Tony3610 said:
I just don't understand why or how apps from another country and carrier would be on my phone. All phones purchased that acquired the problem were factory sealed, and I can guarantee these are not preloaded. I have no affiliation with them, and they aren't even supported by my phone. It even acknowledges that by saying "this app is not available in your country/carrier." This is not preloaded software.
Even if it's not malware, it still doesn't belong on my phone. They appeared one day after a failed attempt at downloading a zip, and I just wish there were a finite solution, because even rooting is only a band-aid fix, as it just transfers to my next phone, anyway.
Thank you.
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I have the same garbage in my /oem partition....they're not "transferring" from phone to phone as you purchase them. They're simply already there.
d4rk3 said:
I have the same garbage in my /oem partition....they're not "transferring" from phone to phone as you purchase them. They're simply already there.
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If they are legitimate system applications, why are they tucked away in the OEM folder instead of with the other system apps (the ones that actually appear on my app list; I don't have to go hunting for them unlike the nuisance of bloatware I described above).
d4rk3 said:
I have the same garbage in my /oem partition....they're not "transferring" from phone to phone as you purchase them. They're simply already there.
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Sorry. I don't mean to be difficult. Lol.
d4rk3 said:
I have the same garbage in my /oem partition....they're not "transferring" from phone to phone as you purchase them. They're simply already there.
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Some apps, even if I enable them, I can't launch them. Some of these have network access, identity access, etc. It's shady, especially since I don't use any of these services, or live in the regions which they are used.
This is an unlocked phone that is designed to support most/all? carriers out of the box. Some carriers require software for full functionality, so depending on what type of Sim card and network you use it will automatically activate the required app/software. This allows Lenovo/Moto to support many carriers with a single phone model.
spiked_mistborn said:
This is an unlocked phone that is designed to support most/all? carriers out of the box. Some carriers require software for full functionality, so depending on what type of Sim card and network you use it will automatically activate the required app/software. This allows Lenovo/Moto to support many carriers with a single phone model.
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But the applications of which we speak have never been enabled, and were never present in my system app list. I understand what you're saying, but why would an app that explicitly states "not available on your carrier" or "not available in your country" be on my phone, a phone purchased in the United States under Tracfone? Republic Wireless, My Consumer Cellular and Bell Canada are irrelevant to my services with Tracfone. I don't have accounts with them.
..and as for the App Box app, it's Brazilian, and the two PRIP apps seem to do with Mexico. I can't see any of that reasonably being on a phone in the U.S.
spiked_mistborn said:
This is an unlocked phone that is designed to support most/all? carriers out of the box. Some carriers require software for full functionality, so depending on what type of Sim card and network you use it will automatically activate the required app/software. This allows Lenovo/Moto to support many carriers with a single phone model.
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Tony3610 said:
But the applications of which we speak have never been enabled, and were never present in my system app list. I understand what you're saying, but why would an app that explicitly states "not available on your carrier" or "not available in your country" be on my phone, a phone purchased in the United States under Tracfone? Republic Wireless, My Consumer Cellular and Bell Canada are irrelevant to my services with Tracfone. I don't have accounts with them.
..and as for the App Box app, it's Brazilian, and the two PRIP apps seem to do with Mexico. I can't see any of that reasonably being on a phone in the U.S.
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Looking back, I can see Republic Wireless and Consumer Cellular, as they're U.S services and how they'd be preinstalled if you were planning to use those carriers, but I can't see the other things.
If you're from the U.S. and travel internationally the phone should still work if you use a Sim card from a local carrier.
spiked_mistborn said:
If you're from the U.S. and travel internationally the phone should still work if you use a Sim card from a local carrier.
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I understand and appreciate that info, that's just not the issue I'm having.
spiked_mistborn said:
This is an unlocked phone that is designed to support most/all? carriers out of the box. Some carriers require software for full functionality, so depending on what type of Sim card and network you use it will automatically activate the required app/software. This allows Lenovo/Moto to support many carriers with a single phone model.
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Bingo.
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Tony3610 said:
I understand and appreciate that info, that's just not the issue I'm having.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the only issue you seem to be having is your issue with the apps simply existing on the oem partition?
Either way, I'm out of this thread...peace!
d4rk3 said:
Bingo.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the only issue you seem to be having is your issue with the apps simply existing on the oem partition?
Either way, I'm out of this thread...peace!
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Yes, that's the issue.
Thank you for your help, then.
**BUMP**
Still no resolution.
Tony3610 said:
**BUMP**
Still no resolution.
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I suggest you learn what an OEM is. Lenovo/Motorola is installing software at the factory to support the version of the phone that Republic Wireless, Consumer Cellular and Rogers in CA sells. It's probably easier for them to install that software on all the phones and not just the Republic Wireless software on the Republic Wireless phones and the Consumer Cellular on the Consumer Cellular phones.
I just installed ES FE and checked my XT1607 and have 3 folders in the OEM folder for Republic Wireless, Consumer Cellular and Rogers.
There's nothing to resolve here.
Related
Can it be done?
emudojo said:
Can it be done?
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No, search next time please =)
Short answer is no with an adp build but if you really want paid apps you can install JFRC33 to get access to them.
I don't know where these guys are coming up with their info. You most definitely CAN access paid market with ADP, IF you have installed the update available at www.htc.com in the support section.
The only requirement is that you have a US or UK sim card installed, I don't think that it is necessary for the card to be active.
not so short answer
Well, people are kind of right about not being able to download paid apps. I have an ADP1 1.1 phone using Three as my provider here in the UK and I see SOME charged apps. BUT apps that the developer 'copy protects' arel not available. (see below for the unfiltered version)
This is a load of cr4p on Google's part because the 'copy protection' is simply installing the app to a protected directory (no encryption, no validation, nothing). As the ADP1 phone has root, we can get easy access to the apk file, and since we are all criminals we will post them to warz sites. Of course the reality is that there are far more rooted G1s out there (that CAN get all forms of paid apps) then there are ADP1s.
But, of course, Google has plausible denyability when it comes to hacked G1s. This is not the case with ADP1s. I suspect that this was a decision from the law department in Google.
The only sure way to get ALL the apps on an ADP1 is to install one of the hacked JesusFreek ROMS or flash it to a stock G1
Here is the official word from the android developers (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/)
"Some developers have asked about the support for copy-protected apps on developer devices, and indeed there is a limitation you should be aware of. Many developers are concerned about the unauthorized redistribution of their applications, so they make use of the copy-protection feature (known as "forward locking") which prevents applications from being copied off devices. However, developer phones like the ADP1 allow for unrestricted access to the device's contents, making it impossible to enforce copy protection. As a result, the Market application on such devices is not able to access copy protected apps, whether they are free or paid. If you choose to add copy protection when you upload your application to the Android Market, then you won't be able to test it on the ADP1's Android Market client. Your application will always be accessible to users who have standard configurations though, and if your application (whether it is free or paid) is not copy-protected it will appear on all devices, including developer configurations."
lbcoder said:
I don't know where these guys are coming up with their info. You most definitely CAN access paid market with ADP, IF you have installed the update available at www.htc.com in the support section.
The only requirement is that you have a US or UK sim card installed, I don't think that it is necessary for the card to be active.
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What update????
Try clicking on the link and going to the support section as I said. THAT update.
I don't see any updates for the G1 under the support section, only FAQ, User Guides, and Tips & Tricks. Do you have a direct link?
http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html
Thanks for the direct link. I was looking under G1... opps. I want to try and switch over to adp, but wont flashing the updates from the link mean I cant flash to a modded build? Even if I can see protected apps with this update, if I chose to use a Modded image, then I will lose the ability once again right?
Im sorry if im not getting this, but I just want to be on an ADP1.1 build that allows me to see AND purchase all apps... Even protected ones, while still being able to run the scripts and other developments that this community has brought. Will this help me accomplish that???
Sorry in advance
Data Connection 2G/3G/H
This phone when used on Bell's own network, it can only do 3G & H
(this is not a hardware issue but rather a network issue, there is a topic about this discussion, link coming soon)
However once unlocked the have full 1G(Cuba!)/2G(EDGE)/3G/H on Fido, Rogers, AT&T and any other network that supports the 850/1900/2100 band for data communication
Pre-installed Apps:
TeleNav GPS Navigator if you are not online via 3G or WiFi, you'll get an error message "This application is not available" or something along those lines
The application is not free, it wants you to register for $10 a month, it's safe to uninstall after rooting
BellTV Remote PVR only works if you have a Bell digital cable box for TV, it's safe to uninstall after rooting
Tunes & Apps it's just an Advertisement URL link, it tries to go
Code:
ads.bwanet.ca/getnew.jsp?request=PDAdownload
the link is dead anyways, it's safe to delete after rooting
TV & Radio supposedly to Watch Live TV, Listen to Music and Talk Radio... but it doesn't work.
It might be only available to people on Bell network, the error messages says
> Error
There was a problem
connecting to the service.
Check your data connection.
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my recommendation uninstall it if you are rooted, there are better Apps in Android Market that offers the same feature & service
Kobo it comes included with the latest official ROMs. You might want to keep it if you are an e-book reader. It channels you to their online catalog of e-books. Depending from each point of view, it can be categorized as another Advertisement or a Tool.
Personally I'll uninstall it (you'll need to be rooted), the only thing I'll ever read in my phone are PDF files, for everything else i got RSS feeds, tons of e-mails/SMS to go through an lots of websites to keep me busy and relaxed.
AllShare a simple to use App to share your files in the phone to other devices wirelessly.
Worth keeping? Yes
Layar is more of a fun tool than a real utility, it lets you catalog and get info of nearby places where you are standing, it requires the GPS to be ON-line. This App is based on the Anime feature in Eden of the East.
Worth keeping? Yes
Navigation Google Maps Navigation, a simple to use Navigation tool that works out of the box.
Worth keeping? Yes
ThinkFree Office requires activation, but it's completely Free as the name implies (unlike other Apps which claims to be "free" but is crippled one war or another, or with Ads.) you can open and create Microsoft Word Doc, Spread Sheet, and PowerPoint slides, all from the tips of your fingers.
It takes a bit to get used to navigating around the software to do what would normally have been a simple task in the PC.
Worth keeping? Yes
Samsung Apps List of available freebies:
- eBooks by Kobo (the other piece of the forced on ROM Kobo eBook Market)
- Social Hub Push Email and IM (as the name implies it does everything, it's quite good infact, it adds additional supported services to the original version, now it can do Google Accounts, Hotmail/Live Accounts, Yahoo Accounts, Facebook Accounts, Twiter Accounts, MySpace Accounts)
- RoadSMS (SMS that lets you see behind the phone, the road or whatever your phone camera seems to be pointing... great App to check out on girls on the restaurant table in front of you )
- Robert Parker (wine guide)
- Radio Companion (i find it rather interesting, it lets you sing karaoke to the radio station you are listening to... well sort of, it will scroll and display the lyrics as the song plays on the radio station)
- Asphalt5 (racing game, full version, completely free, notice this is not the Asphalt5 HD)
- Vlingo Voice (voice control your phone, dictation, launch apps, etc)
- Krazy Kart Racing (from Konami) cartoonish kart racing game, fun!
- Facebook for Samsung the name says it all it's a new facebook apps from Samsung
- Movies App for movie show times, trailers and reviews
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- Blinkx Beat
- ComedyTime
You may want to add something in here about Bell's lack of a 2g GSM network and checking if your phone has the download mode disabled or not. These seem to be 2 common questions on these forums about the Canadian I9000M.
Thanks for the reminder, yes this FAQ is a work in progress
The TV & Radio app is worth keeping if you are a Bell subscriber and into the idea. Basically it is a premium app, you have to pay for subscriptions to channels. But you can access content like live NHL games, HBO, etc.
It also lets you subscribe to and listen to Sirius sat. radio.
But if you don't have a 6GB plan it's a total non-starter.
For someone in the United States, where's the best place to purchase an unlocked one? I can't find any on US ebay and only like 3 on CA ebay.
AllGamer said:
... safe to uninstall after rooting
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Silly question: how do you uninstall apps after rooting? (I'd appreciate teaching me how to do that using Root Explorer.)
INeedYourHelp said:
For someone in the United States, where's the best place to purchase an unlocked one? I can't find any on US ebay and only like 3 on CA ebay.
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The states ones are all carrier exclusive, not sure when they'll have unlocked ones available?
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Silly question: how do you uninstall apps after rooting? (I'd appreciate teaching me how to do that using Root Explorer.)
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i do it via busybox or any other terminal app
using command lines:
cd /directory/where/apps/reside
rm WhateverName.apk
there is a topic in one of the 23+ SGS sub forums with a full list of all the Apk safe to remove, but i can't find it because i forgot which of the so many forums we have are storing it
this is why we need this to happen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764084
AllGamer said:
i do it via busybox or any other terminal app...
cd /directory/where/apps/reside
rm WhateverName.apk
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So is this just a matter of deleting the corresponding .apk file? Or is there something more to it? If the former holds, then how can I tell where the undesired (i.e. stock) applications are located for the I9000M?
found it, here's the topic you want to remove the stuff you don't want
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712546
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found it, here's the topic you want to remove the stuff you don't want
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712546
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Thanks. Where would I find the apps that you listed as safe, such as Tunes and Apps and the rest? Those look to me to be better deletion candidates.
Look, I know this isn't the right thread to be posting in, but I have a dying question to OP.
How did you root your i9000m? I cannot seem to root mine! Nor can I find a confirmed method of doing it.
roma17 said:
Look, I know this isn't the right thread to be posting in, but I have a dying question to OP.
How did you root your i9000m? I cannot seem to root mine! Nor can I find a confirmed method of doing it.
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follow step one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747235
and if you want to unlock you phone too
follow step two
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follow step one
and if you want to unlock you phone too
follow step two
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and you're absolutely sure that if i follow step one correctly, that the phone will be rooted? (Yes I know nothing is sure, but I just need to hear it from you).
roma17 said:
and you're absolutely sure that if i follow step one correctly, that the phone will be rooted? (Yes I know nothing is sure, but I just need to hear it from you).
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those are proven steps that i used on my phones
Before this thread gets hijacked, would you mind answering my question above: Where would I find the apps that you listed as safe, such as Tunes and Apps and the rest? Those look to me to be better deletion candidates.
Thanks.
Edit: alright, I think I found'em. What's tn55-android-blur.apk? The TeleNav application by any chance?
updated
- Krazy Kart Racing (from Konami) cartoonish kart racing game, fun!
Any chance of an apk dump of "Social Hub Push Email and IM" and "Radio Companion" apps? (assuming that they are legal to share, these aren't in my JP3 app store).
I would also ask for Krazy Kart Racing, but pretty sure thats a paid app and I don't wanna break any rules lol..
Otherwise, if no-one can share anything... what firmwares are these apps available for? just the non-beta ones? or just for the bell i9000?
Yes, bell i9000m JH2 is the latest official ROM from Kies
it is compatible with I9000 international, but you will need Odin to flash it
or do the KIES cheat as mentioned in another topic, to make the changes in the registry, so it will download Bell JH2 for you.
But as far as i know, if they are included as freebies inside Samsung Apps, it should also be available to the international i9000 ROMs with Samsung Apps
Thanks for the reply AllGamer
Sorry that I'm a little confused, are the radio and social hub push email included in the firmware or downloadable from the samsung apps store?
Do you know how samsung app store determines phone version? Can we fake this through build.prop or something to download the latest apps, or does it have a more complicated check?
Only cause it seems that the number of apps available to JP3 is limited (and I wanna stick to this firmware for now, it's awesome )
Can I kill this service and it's startup?
Intelligence Service
com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice
What does it really do?
kgyirhj said:
com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice
What does it really do?
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Well it could be
1) A surveillance monitor for the Carrier IQ package that the NSA has had carriers install on 300 million phones
2) A training aid for would be Mensa members
3) Some random Samsung service that isn't on my S5
You didn't give us any details or context, so it's difficult to say what the service does. It isn't on my S5 so it's not universal. It may be regional, carrier specific or some Samsung bloatware that doesn't live on my phone anymore.
You can kill the process, which will cause something to quit working. Probably nothing critical but it's hard to be certain when we don't know what it does. If you have xPrivacy, see what permissions it asks for. Otberwise you could just freeze or disable it and see what effect it has on your phone.
If you tell us what firmware version and carrier you use, perhaps someone else who uses the same firmware /carrier will comment.
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kgyirhj said:
Can I kill this service and it's startup?
Intelligence Service
com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice
What does it really do?
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It checks the IQ of the user. The phone shuts down below 90. Mine does not boot anymore ?
Sent from my SM-G900F using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
fffft said:
Well it could be
1) A surveillance monitor for the Carrier IQ package that the NSA has had carriers install on 300 million phones
2) A training aid for would be Mensa members
3) Some random Samsung service that isn't on my S5
You didn't give us any details or context, so it's difficult to say what the service does. It isn't on my S5 so it's not universal. It may be regional, carrier specific or some Samsung bloatware that doesn't live on my phone anymore.
You can kill the process, which will cause something to quit working. Probably nothing critical but it's hard to be certain when we don't know what it does. If you have xPrivacy, see what permissions it asks for. Otberwise you could just freeze or disable it and see what effect it has on your phone.
If you tell us what firmware version and carrier you use, perhaps someone else who uses the same firmware /carrier will comment.
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All I know about this service is what I have written here.
It's name is "intelligence service"
and the file is com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice
The reason I started this thread is to get more infomration about what this is as google search does not give much about it.
Phone is SM-G900F
I found some new info using another program to monitor services..
"Receiver
com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice.useranalysis.UserAnalysisBroadcastReceiver handels action android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED with priority 0"
And a second one also named "intelligence service"
"com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice.useranalysis.analyzer.CarAnalyzer handels action android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED with priority 0"
This service isn't on my phone. And as you said, a cursory Google search doesn't tell us much, so we can't tell you anything about it either. Unless you, or someone else that has it provides more information.
At a guess it's just part of some Samsung bloatware. If you disable it, then the associated bloatware app will stop working. If you want to learn more, then look at xprivacy, a root enabled file browser or perhaps Settings > Applications > App ops and find out what app (apk) the service originates from. Then post the apk or at least provide the app's name and what permissions it asks for.
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And the winning entry is..
1) A surveillance monitor for the Carrier IQ package that the NSA has had carriers install on 300 million phones
I had a few minutes to spare, so I did a proper Google search. The upshot of which is that a lot of people claim that this is a Carrier IQ component. So the service is aptly named. Carrier IQ is a spyware rootkit installed by Verizon, Sprint, etc to capture extensive demographics on what you do with your phone, including keystoke logging. For the carrier to serve you better of course. Or to help the NSA spy on you, depending on who you choose to believe.
Invasive in either scenario, which is why it isn't on my phone.
More reading if you are interested:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2266241&page=2
http://goo.gl/td1w4n
https://www.bloglovin.com/blog/post/5233323/2639029999
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fffft said:
And the winning entry is..
1) A surveillance monitor for the Carrier IQ package that the NSA has had carriers install on 300 million phones
I had a few minutes to spare, so I did a proper Google search. The upshot of which is that a lot of people claim that this is a Carrier IQ component. So the service is aptly named. Carrier IQ is a spyware rootkit installed by Verizon, Sprint, etc to capture extensive demographics on what you do with your phone, including keystoke logging. For the carrier to serve you better of course. Or to help the NSA spy on you, depending on who you choose to believe.
Invasive in either scenario, which is why it isn't on my phone.
More reading if you are interested:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2266241&page=2
http://goo.gl/td1w4n
https://www.bloglovin.com/blog/post/5233323/2639029999
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Somebody is in a bit of a pickle then.
This is also on my handset too
here also.. been reading a bit and found this app:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=109
and it looks it works for S3:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28662155&postcount=4
could it work for S5 also?
Same here
fffft said:
Well it could be
1) A surveillance monitor for the Carrier IQ package that the NSA has had carriers install on 300 million phones
2) A training aid for would be Mensa members
3) Some random Samsung service that isn't on my S5
You didn't give us any details or context, so it's difficult to say what the service does. It isn't on my S5 so it's not universal. It may be regional, carrier specific or some Samsung bloatware that doesn't live on my phone anymore.
You can kill the process, which will cause something to quit working. Probably nothing critical but it's hard to be certain when we don't know what it does. If you have xPrivacy, see what permissions it asks for. Otberwise you could just freeze or disable it and see what effect it has on your phone.
If you tell us what firmware version and carrier you use, perhaps someone else who uses the same firmware /carrier will comment.
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I have the the same issue, Intelligence Service just popped up in my sys apps too. AT&T
I have a Samsung S5 A900 4.42 I'm at the end of a trial for Samsung. (You think I'd at least get the update sooner! lol) I don't use xPrivacy.
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harlgal said:
I have the the same issue, Intelligence Service just popped up in my sys apps too. AT&T
I have a Samsung S5 A900 4.42 I'm at the end of a trial for Samsung. (You think I'd at least get the update sooner! lol) I don't use xPrivacy.
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I think it's the Isis (Softcard) Wallet, pretty sure it is. I just re-enabled it to start using my Serve card.
Connecting to Mac/PC
hi there,
I had a problem after installing amazing "Blaze Kernel "Onto G900w8 S5 running Xtresolite Rom v 1.5 is that phone is not connecting to Pc or mac through kies or Andriod file transfer which used to connect without any problems. Kids or other softwares just keep on trying with no success. I guess there might be some settings that need to corrected to get connectivity. tried both file or camera transfer modes on S5 but no connections.
One Amazing thing i noticed in performance and battery life with this kernel is that my Antutu benchmark scores went up to 43456 from 40435 and is the maximum reached so far...Simply Amazing..
PLEASE HELP!!!!! with connection problems would be highly appreciated.
so what's the verdict on this??
No verdict, most of these kids are no lifers and posting garbage. Still awaiting a fix...
DaddyChaddie said:
No verdict, most of these kids are no lifers and posting garbage. Still awaiting a fix...
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What the hell are you talking about?
Note 4 same problem
I use battery doctor and lately it's been hard to charge and running quite slow then when I went to optimize it it had all these weird apps iv never seen before and majority of them say they have permission to record audio take my photos use any of my information and so on most of them I can force stop but they just open back up also since this is happen when ever I plug my charger in it makes a weird beep sound after the normal beep that occurs when plugging it in to charge
Ive always just uninstalled this app along with several other useless and suspicious looking apps samsung likes to load our devices with.
I have had my phone for over 12 months. I am very aware that I am being monitored for no reason and so , have kept tabs on my phones files and apps. Only today have I seen a file called Intelligence Service and so, wanted to find out what it was. It wasnt there 4 weeks ago. 4 weeks ago I had other odd files that I couldnt delete. My phone does what it wants: answers calls and hangs up, opens apps, closes other apps, filters internet and when Im on a call I will hear people talking on the line as if its an echo but they arent saying the same thing I am. I often hear voices coming out of the speaker. It reboots when it wants to. My data runs out too quickly no matter how I use it....when I take photos it gets hot like the info is being transfered. My phone has a magnetic charge, too. The phone runs with a slight delay as if its being relayed. Smart phones and idiot phones arent safe. I used my old basic nokia last week. It too was being controled remotely. It doesnt matter what u do.
Com.Sec is a sucurity company. Com.Sec.android may be innocent. If u have files that just say Com.Sec get rid. Com.Sec Investigations, Omnitron. Look them up.
I've just installed the SuperMan ROM and see a newer version of this service, com.samsung.android.intelligenceservice2.
The ROM also left (or brought) over com.samsung.fresco.logging (Fresco Intelligence Service). Apparently nobody knows what that is.
Let's see what the developer says about the two enabled logging/intelligence services in his ROM.
I want to draw attention of all the users of Elephone that the stock ROM is bloated with a spyware com.adups.fota
I found this on my phone today. It transmits every details of your phone and it can remotely access all your documents.
Be careful. Check your phone and run debloater on it.
Thank you very much for telling, I'm eliminating this in no time.
Not on my phone.
Is it possible to have more details please? Like how to use a deloater, how did you find it? Seems pretty serious. And is the custom rom also affected? Thank you
With the Malwarebytes app, it says "no malware found" when I scan my S8, so I can't recognize that problem.
You don't even tell us how you found the claimed spyware, very bad post! learn to inform better in detail before posting. Claims like that must be documented properly.
How to check/remove system apps
Doge199 said:
I want to draw attention of all the users of Elephone that the stock ROM is bloated with a spyware com.adups.fota
I found this on my phone today. It transmits every details of your phone and it can remotely access all your documents.
Be careful. Check your phone and run debloater on it.
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This is a serious accusation, the OP should include concrete evidence and more details.
Here is my research:
Adups is a Chinese provider of FOTA (firmware over-the-air) update services to a number of OEMs including Elephone. In 2016, there was this news about spyware in some of BLU devices. Here is a good read: https://android.gadgethacks.com/new...be-affected-by-adups-chinese-spyware-0175014/
Here are official Adups' responses: http://www.adups.com/article/article.php?id=113
Sounds to me like that thing happened to some BLU devices and then Adups updated the OTA app to remove that thing. And, I checked our OTA app is newer than that of the BLU in the news.
Anyway, for those who want to check or remove the app in question, below is how.
If you don't know how to use ADB, then you should probably just skip the rest of my comment.
The following commands don't require root to work.
To check:
>adb shell
>pm list packages -f|grep adups
On stock ROM, I see 2 packages of Adups.
package:/system/app/AdupsFotaReboot/AdupsFotaReboot.apk=com.adups.fota.sysoper
package:/system/app/AdupsFota/AdupsFota.apk=com.adups.fota
To remove, enter the 2 commands below. Before doing so, you should know these 2 system apps are put there by Elephone for reasons. If removed, you are responsible for your own action. For one thing, obviously you will not get Firmware update via OTA.
>pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.adups.fota
>pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.adups.fota.sysoper
Thanks anox but, according to kryptowire, and despite adups' claims to the contrary, adups spyware problems continued in 2017. These include enabling adups to run any software they like on your phone at any time. Not only that, but the backdoor uses unsecured comms protocols that could potentially be exploited by ... well, anyone.
Apparently the eragon rom doesn't include any adups vulnerabilities. Of course you have to root and install it, but anyone buying a cheap handset without intending to run a custom rom on it might possibly be out of their depth ...
Thanks Plowmanx for the information. Right, Adups spyware problems continued and spyware can do lots of things. According to this: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/kryptowire-adups-news/ in December 2017, mobile security researchers found that 43 manufacturers contained similar spyware. Funny that Elephone is not on the list. Maybe, they didn't test it or whatever. Anyway, my previous comment asked for evidence & details so that we can protect ourselves accordingly.
Obviously, any custom rom will not include Adups' FOTA app, because its OTA function simply will not work. OEM Firmware update won't even work on a rooted rom. My previous comment also shows how relatively easy it is to disable a system app without root. With root, of course, one can do all sorts of things even without a custom room. On my rooted stock rom, I got rid of a bunch of pre-installed packages including MTKLogger, just because I don't like its name. Even when I use a custom rom, I usually still have to remove some pre-installed packages, anyway.
In general, spyware/virus problems will certainly continue. One thing we as consumers can do is to find out the truth about them and try to protect ourselves one way or another.
Thanks anox. Agreed across the board. The S8 will be my first new phone since my trusty oneplus one. I enjoyed the availability of alternative roms there, which is why I thought of eragon in this case. But, if I understand correctly, eragon is now unmaintained, and because Elephone hasn't published its source code no one is producing any other alternatives at this time.
So the only way to go might be, as you suggest, to give up OTA updates by removing adups.fota plus anything else that seems suspect. Keyloggers most especially. Hopefully elephone will come to the party when (if?) they push out Oreo for the S8. Really, there's absolutely no advantage for them in keeping the source closed. Look at what a huge strategic benefit it was to oneplus to make it open!
debloater
I loaded up debloater and it would only show one apk loaded. Depending on what i enabled or disabled on the phone, i could get it to show different apk's as disabled. I disabled Wireless Update on the phone, re-ran debloater and it showed adups.fota as disabled.
I went in via adb shell and removed com.adups.fota.sysoper as well. No idea if that's bad or good, but I figure I can always factory-reset. Anyway the phone seems to work fine. Better than fine - seems like battery life just got a real shot in the arm!
h1ckman said:
I loaded up debloater and it would only show one apk loaded. Depending on what i enabled or disabled on the phone, i could get it to show different apk's as disabled. I disabled Wireless Update on the phone, re-ran debloater and it showed adups.fota as disabled.
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Plowmanx said:
I went in via adb shell and removed com.adups.fota.sysoper as well. No idea if that's bad or good, but I figure I can always factory-reset. Anyway the phone seems to work fine. Better than fine - seems like battery life just got a real shot in the arm!
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Are you sure about that ? You just received your s8 a day ago. How could you know battery improvement?
steverway said:
Are you sure about that ? You just received your s8 a day ago. How could you know battery improvement?
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I don't. Maybe the battery just gets better over time. I'm only telling you what I did and what happened for me.
It came preinstalled in my Nokia C31, I uninstalled it via the adb method
There is a service / app (system app) called MVS and listed as com.verizon.mips.services when you do a pm list services. Under apps and notifications - show system it can only be disabled. After a short time it re-enables itself and gives back full permissions no matter if you remove them or not. So I pm uninstalled it and that sticks as the app is gone. Until reboot! Then it's back, enabled, with full permissions again. Why is that, where does it come from (I know it's Verizon) in the system so that a reboot reinstalls it with no prompting?
I know what it does. Some have said it will break wifi calling but it does not. I don't use wifi calling any longer, it's too unreliable for me, but that's beside the point. What it actually does is report back to Verizon everything you are doing on your device. When you installed an app, when you uninstalled an app, when you used an app, who you called and when you called them and everything in between including the IMEI. If you ever call tech support they will know what's on your device without asking for permission to look at it. If you disable the app they will request a code so they can look since they now can't see it.
So.. how the hell do you get rid of this spyware permanently without root? Heck, even with root! It's also one of the top apps that alarms and partial wakelocks in BBS which is how I found it. There are 2 more packages that don't seem to be causing any problems but then again I'm not sure. Does anyone know what they are and what they do? They are:
package:com.verizon.obdm_permissions
package:com.verizon.obdm
I've deleted all apps that have the word Verizon in it and have had no issues. And wifi calling still works.
Spookymyo said:
I've deleted all apps that have the word Verizon in it and have had no issues. And wifi calling still works.
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Do they come back on reboot?
edit: Looks like these 3 packages are being installed via apk in the priv-app system folder and thus I think I'd need root to actually get rid of them entirely. This is a Google bought device with no connection to Verizon other than using a sim for connectivity. Will anyone else see if they have these packages installed if on a Google device with or without Verizon as a carrier? The command is:
adb shell
pm list package | grep 'verizon'
If you have them and don't want them use this command for each (one example given) and reboot. See if they come back.
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.verizon.mips.services
bobby janow said:
Do they come back on reboot?
edit: Looks like these 3 packages are being installed via apk in the priv-app system folder and thus I think I'd need root to actually get rid of them entirely. This is a Google bought device with no connection to Verizon other than using a sim for connectivity. Will anyone else see if they have these packages installed if on a Google device with or without Verizon as a carrier? The command is:
adb shell
pm list package | grep 'verizon'
If you have them and don't want them use this command for each (one example given) and reboot. See if they come back.
pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.verizon.mips.services
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I have root so whatever I delete stays deleted. I don't need to use adb, just a root explorer.
Spookymyo said:
I have root so whatever I delete stays deleted. I don't need to use , just a root explorer.
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Unfortunately, that doesn't help me out but it's still nice to know. I see them all in the /product/priv-app folder and obviously can't delete them. Something like this might push me to root ...eventually. I can disable the processes and even uninstall them but only until the next reboot. I wonder if every device has crap like this running even if you don't use Verizon.
bobby janow said:
Unfortunately, that doesn't help me out but it's still nice to know. I see them all in the /product/priv-app folder and obviously can't delete them. Something like this might push me to root ...eventually. I can disable the processes and even uninstall them but only until the next reboot. I wonder if every device has crap like this running even if you don't use Verizon.
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Of course they do. Even unlocked phones have to connect to a carrier service.
Spookymyo said:
Of course they do. Even unlocked phones have to connect to a carrier service.
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That's not quite what I meant. If you never connected to Verizon do you still have those files and apks installed? They seem like system files delivered to a device whether or not you use Verizon. That's what I'm curious about.
Lauren
I may be able to help. I have been going through HELL for 7 months... doing my own detective work and gathering info/evidence on trying to figure out/ prove how my ex (whom conned me) is committing Computer Internet and Identity Fraud therefore including Credit Card Fraud. Just moments ago I found com.verizon.obdm_permissions on my Android phone....Googled... Google lead me here. I am a creature of habit and believe i am fairly in tune with my habits/how my electronics work for my abilities (being uneducated in the way the internet works....one of his ssids to psychologically tease me was Interweb)
*I am on my father's Verizon account. He lives an hour away.
*I have my own Xfinity Account.
* My phone acts like 2 or more phones.
*Verizon says everything looks fine.
*Xfinity says everything looks fine.
*In my Google and Xfinity Account ive found that a Linux server is/has been connected to me.
* I found a coax cable that was cut (I live in an apt building) and found it connected to a splitter (fake?). Once I disconnected Comcast van (during pandemic beginning) arrived the next day. He wired the coax cable that was cut....i painted my closet....the paint spots match.
*I've had an Apple app mysteriously download even though I've never had an Apple Account nor an iPhone. Never would have caught it if I didn't download a notification saver app.
*This asshole has made comments leading me to believe he has live broadcasted me...I have never done that...i don't even like video chat...not even my mother.
*I have a FB Business page with 60,ooo followers that I had no idea I had.
*Just recently when I connect to my wifi (mobile data off) Digital Secure says 0 Apps are running on mobile data.
* at one point my IP address was in-between Pakistan and Iran.
*via FB messenger i was connected by someone who says he's a Middlesex Private Attorney-Union Devision....there is no such decision anywhere...confirmed by District Attorney's Office. I believe he is part of an Islamic group who prays on woman through social media for sex trade.
In conclusion: due to my exs actions, he has made me and my life (including my 14 and 9 year old children) a target for this sex slave trade Islamic group.
Honestly, I need help organizing my report for the FBI. I've already spoken with the Federal Trade Commission whom gave me a number to someone in my local FBI department.
farmdynasty said:
I may be able to help. I have been going through HELL for 7 months... doing my own detective work and gathering info/evidence on trying to figure out/ prove how my ex (whom conned me) is committing Computer Internet and Identity Fraud therefore including Credit Card Fraud. Just moments ago I found com.verizon.obdm_permissions on my Android phone....Googled... Google lead me here. I am a creature of habit and believe i am fairly in tune with my habits/how my electronics work for my abilities (being uneducated in the way the internet works....one of his ssids to psychologically tease me was Interweb)
*I am on my father's Verizon account. He lives an hour away.
*I have my own Xfinity Account.
* My phone acts like 2 or more phones.
*Verizon says everything looks fine.
*Xfinity says everything looks fine.
*In my Google and Xfinity Account ive found that a Linux server is/has been connected to me.
* I found a coax cable that was cut (I live in an apt building) and found it connected to a splitter (fake?). Once I disconnected Comcast van (during pandemic beginning) arrived the next day. He wired the coax cable that was cut....i painted my closet....the paint spots match.
*I've had an Apple app mysteriously download even though I've never had an Apple Account nor an iPhone. Never would have caught it if I didn't download a notification saver app.
*This asshole has made comments leading me to believe he has live broadcasted me...I have never done that...i don't even like video chat...not even my mother.
*I have a FB Business page with 60,ooo followers that I had no idea I had.
*Just recently when I connect to my wifi (mobile data off) Digital Secure says 0 Apps are running on mobile data.
* at one point my IP address was in-between Pakistan and Iran.
*via FB messenger i was connected by someone who says he's a Middlesex Private Attorney-Union Devision....there is no such decision anywhere...confirmed by District Attorney's Office. I believe he is part of an Islamic group who prays on woman through social media for sex trade.
In conclusion: due to my exs actions, he has made me and my life (including my 14 and 9 year old children) a target for this sex slave trade Islamic group.
Honestly, I need help organizing my report for the FBI. I've already spoken with the Federal Trade Commission whom gave me a number to someone in my local FBI department.
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WTF?
mustangtim49 said:
WTF?
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Glad somebody said it ?
Farmdynasty
ummm....ya....WTF is probably the right response...lol
In general, I am not the greatest at explaining things... lol Especially, trying to explain something im educating myself on as these strange occurrences are happening. Im better at physically showing someone while I am doing my best at explaining why I have come to these conclusions.
So, I guess, with the "WTF" reply im not fully comprehending what your WTFing about...lol Are you WTFing because its a completely messed up situation or are you WTFing because I explained in such a way that makes me look like a crazy person? Lol
Seriously, I absolutely want your honest opinion. Asking for others opnions who are more educated than I is the whole reason I registered with y'all. I absolutely know that this fraud/hacking is true. I just get confused, lost, side tracked with how he connected and getting to the main source. Im working backwards... like im starting from the top branches of a tree (clues) working my way down to find the main source. If this makes any sense at all,, its like he has a backup to a backup so he can connect in more ways than one. If your sure what I mean about something I said please please please ask me questions...fire away!
I believe we have found the solution to the Verizon services removal. Please close this thread. Thanks everyone.
MOD ACTION:
Thread closed at the request of the OP.