The only S5 Kitkat ROMs I've found either haven't been updated in over a year, or many users are reporting severe bugs like no camera support, or severe battery drain issues.
I'm just trying to get an app called Winulator running so I can play Starcraft: Broodwar on android, but it isn't working and one user said that is because Lolipop broke it (I'm on 5.1.1 atm). The app is no longer supported so I don't think it will ever run properly on 5.x. If anyone knows of a way to emulate 4.x for just 1 app maybe that would be the best shortcut for me overall here.
Barring that, could someone please recommend a guide to installing a lightweight, power-user-oriented ROM that is 4.x or older and has excellent battery life? I was going to try the official 4.4.4 VanirAOSP release but there are too many reports of poor battery performance in the last 2 pages of that thread for my liking.
I think the first thing I need to do is unlock the bootloader, and I've yet to find a definite answer on the best method of doing this from FOL1 (12/15). It seems I will need Odin on my PC and I have it. I've also started backing up all the data from my phone by manually copying/pasting to my PC.
I guess once everything is finally backed up (it's taking FOREVER, explorer literally been calculating time to copy for 10 minutes now just on the phone/android folder), then I will try and flash the official 4.4.2 VanirAOSP ROM since that one doesn't have any reports of battery issues and possibly only the camera and a few things won't work.
BTW, is there a step specially to unlock the FOL1 bootloader that I am missing, or can I just flash that ROM with Odin straight up? I found a comment stating NOT to flash 5.1.1 with Odin or I'd be stuck on Lollipop until some new bootloader-unlock method comes out. The 5.1.1 I'm running wasn't flashed with odin it was sent OTA and I've never rooted or had custom rom/bootloader, so I should be good on that I guess?
I am actually about to dive into this, if no one has any suggestions for me: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2752995
So I'll just pick one at random then? Thanks for the help...
You haven't even listed your model S5 or the ROM it's running now
And of course KK hasn't been updated in over a year, Lollipop and Marshmallow are released, they're not going to keep updating KK when a newer version of Android is released
Hello everyone,
I got a new S8 and am wondering, which ROM to choose. I have used Superman Rom on my S7 for a long time now and was happy with it, despite the fact that I had to wipe with every update.
Titanium Backup made it a lot easier - it still was a lot of work.
So my Question:
Is there a ROM which can be updated without wiping?
What I want is basically ROOT, google apps and if possible the original (or improved) Camera App from the S8. And it schould be stable.
I am aware of lineageOS, but the S8 support seems not to be so good by now.
Thanks for every hint,
H
gefo said:
Hello everyone,
I got a new S8 and am wondering, which ROM to choose. I have used Superman Rom on my S7 for a long time now and was happy with it, despite the fact that I had to wipe with every update.
Titanium Backup made it a lot easier - it still was a lot of work.
So my Question:
Is there a ROM which can be updated without wiping?
What I want is basically ROOT, google apps and if possible the original (or improved) Camera App from the S8. And it schould be stable.
I am aware of lineageOS, but the S8 support seems not to be so good by now.
Thanks for every hint,
H
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ok so basically
stock s8 firmware rooted : no more Ota and many root related limitations etc, but maybe able to flash Ota manually not sure
s8 firmware based custom roms: as with every new update the rom is rebased to latest firmware, always clean install always as the rom is a modified firmware, so always different (of course dirty flash might work but often result in issues of all kinds)
and with aosp based roms , most of the time yes, to update you can just flash rom then gapps and then just wipe caches/dalvik and reboot is its the same rom as the rom is the same and in fact just stock android so no big changes between builds.
But yes it's annoying but clean install is ALWAYS the best option, and easy update = no rooting
and for stability, the closer to stock the rom is , the most stable it would be. (and good camera = forget about aosp)
so I would recommend you batstock rom or batman rom (s8 version of superstock or superman), but update without wiping, except on unrooted ... not really
Thanks for your detailed reply - That's what I was afraid of to hear.
I will try to live with the limitations of non rooted stock - otherwise Batman or Batstock will be the next to try.
After waiting over a year for the Nougat update (still nothing) and almost a year for a security patch (nothing since Dec 2016), and now knowing Moto will probably never patch the KRACK wpa2 bug, I'm officially done with Motorola and their carelessness with our security.
My questions:
I assume if I load a custom ROM, I will be able to stay up to date with patches and new Android versions? True?
Which one do you all recommend?
Edit: A solution which can pass Safetynet is HIGHLY preferred
I don't need anything fancy, I just want everything to work properly like the stock ROM, but be able to stay up to date
I don't even need root, as in the past I've had some apps stop working if I was rooted, although with systemless root, that night not be a problem anymore. I guess it would be nice to be able to root if desired, but have it as an option only.
Edit- probably should have mentioned I'm on the US Moto X Pure Edition (XT1575)
Thanks for any help.
xdafan15 said:
After waiting over a year for the Nougat update (still nothing) and almost a year for a security patch (nothing since Dec 2016), and now knowing Moto will probably never patch the KRACK wpa2 bug, I'm officially done with Motorola and their carelessness with our security.
My questions:
I assume if I load a custom ROM, I will be able to stay up to date with patches and new Android versions? True?
Which one do you all recommend?
I don't need anything fancy, I just want everything to work properly like the stock ROM, but be able to stay up to date
I don't even need root, as in the past I've had some apps stop working if I was rooted, although with systemless root, that night not be a problem anymore. I guess it would be nice to be able to root if desired, but have it as an option only.
Edit- probably should have mentioned I'm on the US Moto X Pure Edition (XT1575)
Thanks for any help.
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First off it's a 2 year old phone. That's a normal end of update cycle. Second the 7.0 update is out for the 1575 but for some reason only Sprint Sims seem to have gotten it so far. It's still coming to your phone. Custom roms are nice for updates to a point but safety net still doesn't like them if I recall properly. I switched from the pure to a Moto Z play and have loved it. About to get the October security patch and they're already working on Oreo for it. The pure was the last phone before Lenovo took over. There were issues with the hand off but they seem to have it together mostly now.
@xantanion, thanks for your post. I could argue with you about whether the phone was updated on a timely basis over the last 2 years, but I don't want to get into that right now.
Good point about safetynet. If I'm going to go custom ROM, I'd like to be able to pass safetynet, whether by using Magisk, not rooting, using a custom kernel, whatever options are available/necessary.
With this in mind, any suggestions for a solution?
Not getting security patches (my current situation) is not acceptable.
I'd like to squeeze another year out of this phone before replacing. Thanks for any suggestions
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@xantanion, thanks for your post. I could argue with you about whether the phone was updated on a timely basis over the last 2 years, but I don't want to get into that right now.
Good point about safetynet. If I'm going to go custom ROM, I'd like to be able to pass safetynet, whether by using Magisk, not rooting, using a custom kernel, whatever options are available/necessary.
With this in mind, any suggestions for a solution?
Not getting security patches (my current situation) is not acceptable.
I'd like to squeeze another year out of this phone before replacing. Thanks for any suggestions
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I'd switch to Dirty unicorns. I retired this phone a couple of months ago, but they maintain it regularly, and release monthly security patches. As for safety net, magisk works great. Since on Android 7.0 + even an unlocked bootloader trips safety net, then you actually NEED magisk to patch that and then pass safety net. DU is an unrooted ROM but just flash magisk afterwords.
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@xantanion, thanks for your post. I could argue with you about whether the phone was updated on a timely basis over the last 2 years, but I don't want to get into that right now.
Good point about safetynet. If I'm going to go custom ROM, I'd like to be able to pass safetynet, whether by using Magisk, not rooting, using a custom kernel, whatever options are available/necessary.
With this in mind, any suggestions for a solution?
Not getting security patches (my current situation) is not acceptable.
I'd like to squeeze another year out of this phone before replacing. Thanks for any suggestions
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Lineage OS 14.1 (based on nougat 7.1.2) gets security updates monthly. It's close to vanilla android and doesn't come with all the bells and whistles of unicorns or aicp. This is good for those happy with the stock android features like myself. I don't need custom themes and crazy config options. Never needed a custom kernel. Battery and performance is exceptional as is.
https://download.lineageos.org/clark
Rooting with Magisk 14 will pass safetynet. I use android pay daily with no problems.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4302781&d=1508010356
I run with a fairly minimal OpenGApps 7.1 arm64 aroma installation. I use the aroma installer and pretty much only check the boxes for a few apps to be pre installed. If I really need something I can grab it from the play store or apk mirror. My base config for OpenGApps aroma is here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2lKWOIH0bTqMEQ1cmo2QjlydDA?usp=sharing
https://github.com/opengapps/arm64/...71102/open_gapps-arm64-7.1-aroma-20171102.zip
If the new stock 7.0 nougat release is what you're after you can get a twrp backup here you can restore from. Keep in mind this is 7.0 not 7.1.2 and security patch up to only September 2017. This will be the last update to the Moto X Pure/Style. So no further security patches.
I tried stock 7.0 for a few days but went back to Lineage OS. I missed the long press on icons to get actions menu that isn't in 7.0 (among other things).
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I'd switch to Dirty unicorns. I retired this phone a couple of months ago, but they maintain it regularly, and release monthly security patches. As for safety net, magisk works great. Since on Android 7.0 + even an unlocked bootloader trips safety net, then you actually NEED magisk to patch that and then pass safety net. DU is an unrooted ROM but just flash magisk afterwords.
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Lineage OS 14.1 (based on nougat 7.1.2) gets security updates monthly. It's close to vanilla android and doesn't come with all the bells and whistles of unicorns or aicp. This is good for those happy with the stock android features like myself. I don't need custom themes and crazy config options. Never needed a custom kernel. Battery and performance is exceptional as is.
https://download.lineageos.org/clark
Rooting with Magisk 14 will pass safetynet. I use android pay daily with no problems.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4302781&d=1508010356
I run with a fairly minimal OpenGApps 7.1 arm64 aroma installation. I use the aroma installer and pretty much only check the boxes for a few apps to be pre installed. If I really need something I can grab it from the play store or apk mirror. My base config for OpenGApps aroma is here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2lKWOIH0bTqMEQ1cmo2QjlydDA?usp=sharing
https://github.com/opengapps/arm64/...71102/open_gapps-arm64-7.1-aroma-20171102.zip
If the new stock 7.0 nougat release is what you're after you can get a twrp backup here you can restore from. Keep in mind this is 7.0 not 7.1.2 and security patch up to only September 2017. This will be the last update to the Moto X Pure/Style. So no further security patches.
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Thanks, @Spencervb256, for the recommendation and comments on Safetynet and security patches.
Double thanks, @ptn107, for the helpful recommendations and files. I really appreciate you sharing that info.
If you'll continue to put up with my ignorance, do I correctly understand how to restore to stock if I choose to do so later as listed below. I'm still on MPHS24.49-18-16. I didn't update to 7.0.
1) According to this thread, the MotoX Pure can only be returned to the stock firmware it was running before switching to a custom ROM, or to a newer version. You cannot go back to an earlier version.
2) There isn't a firmware .zip available for 24.49-18-16, so according to this post, you flash the 24.49-18-8 .zip (which IS available) and then sideload the .zip from @annoyingduck to update to 18-16 to get back to where you started.
3) Alternately, since the file for Nougat 7.0 is available, I could also update to 7.0, then load a custom ROM, and later return to 7.0 using the available file.
Am I understanding this process correctly?
Thanks in advance for your help.
xdafan15 said:
Thanks, @Spencervb256, for the recommendation and comments on Safetynet and security patches.
Double thanks, @ptn107, for the helpful recommendations and files. I really appreciate you sharing that info.
If you'll continue to put up with my ignorance, do I correctly understand how to restore to stock if I choose to do so later as listed below. I'm still on MPHS24.49-18-16. I didn't update to 7.0.
1) According to this thread, the MotoX Pure can only be returned to the stock firmware it was running before switching to a custom ROM, or to a newer version. You cannot go back to an earlier version.
2) There isn't a firmware .zip available for 24.49-18-16, so according to this post, you flash the 24.49-18-8 .zip (which IS available) and then sideload the .zip from @annoyingduck to update to 18-16 to get back to where you started.
3) Alternately, since the file for Nougat 7.0 is available, I could also update to 7.0, then load a custom ROM, and later return to 7.0 using the available file.
Am I understanding this process correctly?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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I'm not extremely knowledgeable on the whole returning to stock unfortunately...but if you're currently on 6.0, almost all the custom roms are compatible with that firmware, and only a SELECT FEW (such as a lineage os test build) are compatible with the newer 7.0 stock firmware. Paging @dzidexx for a better explanation
Spencervb256 said:
I'm not extremely knowledgeable on the whole returning to stock unfortunately...but if you're currently on 6.0, almost all the custom roms are compatible with that firmware, and only a SELECT FEW (such as a lineage os test build) are compatible with the newer 7.0 stock firmware. Paging @dzidexx for a better explanation
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Thanks again, @Spencervb256.
So you're saying that the Android version of my custom rom has to match the version of the stock rom that I'm coming from? No mixing marshmallow and nougat?
Also, if I stay on marshmallow and want to return to stock and unroot, I wonder if I can just flash the available nougat firmware and restore the stock recovery. Maybe @dzidexx can help with that question, too.
Wish I was more skilled in all this. Thanks for the help.
xdafan15 said:
Thanks again, @Spencervb256.
So you're saying that the Android version of my custom rom has to match the version of the stock rom that I'm coming from? No mixing marshmallow and nougat?
Also, if I stay on marshmallow and want to return to stock and unroot, I wonder if I can just flash the available nougat firmware and restore the stock recovery. Maybe @dzidexx can help with that question, too.
Wish I was more skilled in all this. Thanks for the help.
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No haha it's hard to explain. But until about a month ago, no custom roms could be flashed if users were running stock 7.0 from Moto. Now there are a couple builds of roms which can be flashed over stock 7.0, with no bootloops. This is because Motorola upgraded the modem firmware in stock 7.0, so the custom roms did not work with it.
You can 100% mix the two, so if you are in stock 6.0, you can install any rom you like, as they are made to work with the 6.0 firmware. Even though they are nougat roms.
When stock 7.0 was released, people had issues with installing custom roms over that, because of the modem upgrade, but now there are a couple builds that will install over this firmware and not result in a bootloop.
I will try and find a few links for you which can explain some things, this is all from my mediocre memory haha
If that confused you even more then just stay tuned, I'll send you a pm soon with links to some reading in different threads which explain it much better than I can!
@Spencervb256, I think I understand you. Most of the custom ROMs, whether MM or N, use the stock radios released with MM. When Moto updated to N, they also changed the cellular radio, so the custom ROMs don't work properly unless they are updated to be compatible with it.
So then, if I stay on MM, I can use any custom ROM, if I would've updated, I'd be limited to the few ROMs that were updated.
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@Spencervb256, I think I understand you. Most of the custom ROMs, whether MM or N, use the stock radios released with MM. When Moto updated to N, they also changed the cellular radio, so the custom ROMs don't work properly unless they are updated to be compatible with it.
So then, if I stay on MM, I can use any custom ROM, if I would've updated, I'd be limited to the few ROMs that were updated.
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Pretty much...
xantanion said:
First off it's a 2 year old phone. That's a normal end of update cycle. Second the 7.0 update is out for the 1575 but for some reason only Sprint Sims seem to have gotten it so far. It's still coming to your phone. Custom roms are nice for updates to a point but safety net still doesn't like them if I recall properly. I switched from the pure to a Moto Z play and have loved it. About to get the October security patch and they're already working on Oreo for it. The pure was the last phone before Lenovo took over. There were issues with the hand off but they seem to have it together mostly now.
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Pretty much...
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My rule of thumb is simply wait for the official supported OS version. This means everything (including modem) will work - the community will then hack and modify from there.
xdafan15 said:
@Spencervb256, I think I understand you. Most of the custom ROMs, whether MM or N, use the stock radios released with MM. When Moto updated to N, they also changed the cellular radio, so the custom ROMs don't work properly unless they are updated to be compatible with it.
So then, if I stay on MM, I can use any custom ROM, if I would've updated, I'd be limited to the few ROMs that were updated.
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That's exactly it! You nailed it. Explained it better than I could, so yeah, you got it!!
What you guys suggest!? I want to root my Phone but I am waiting for The Oreo Update
Should I wait Further or not!?
Personally I was wondering the same, but decided a week or so ago to unlock the bootloader and install lineage 14.1. Happy with my decision, it actually fixed a bug I had with NFC only working occasionally. Also good to be able to use my root apps again. I won't upgrade to Oreo until after the official Oreo release and developers have had a chance to fix the issues there seems to be with Bluetooth calling, votle, imei, etc.
So my answer would be sure go ahead, as long as you know what you're doing it for and understand the risks.
I agree with NZedPred, nothing wrong with rooting and installing custom rom, but I wouldn't install any Oreo rom until/if official Oreo for this device gets released. Just too many problems.
Same here waiting for Oreo before root
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If you can fix the various common problems that may come with custom ROMs, go ahead. Otherwise, you could stay stock and wait for the update. It all depends on you if you want to have the latest Oreo (8.1 and the latest security patches).
If you just want to root, it's fine too but you'll still lose warranty.
Not sure, i have zero problems on ResurrectionRemix Oreo.
I was thinking the same and now i'm glad that i did it. RR working like a champ.
some custom rom are stable and u can use for daily driver
I'll wait. There's nothing revolutionary about Android 8, the custom roms are almost always buggy, and also all these reports of IMEI 0 are troublesome.